The Syndicate

Good game guys. Sorry again for posting while dead . I was bad at keeping track of day/night towards the end there haha

DF - I believe I recommended killing you. I like to kill low key blendy players. and you didn't have any ties to any of this at this point. as I believe LC said this ended up being some bad luck for us. around my lynch I debated making a plea in thread to you to work with us and get rid of the civvies first. would you have voted with us if I mentioned it?

Snow Dog, No one was really confirmed until later on and at that point the info roles were more damaging to us. Simon had started the MR thing and had posted something about both me and LC being bad (and DF) so while we weren't sure if he actually had info on us, it seemed likely he would be followed regardless since he clearly was the info role. he would have been taken out sooner if not a child

MP was our first recruit, although we didn't control him all that much since he was doing good on his own After he died we controlled Dom.

Black Rock wrote:I'm telling you Splints is the way to go. I just know it. I'm more convinced than ever now. She hasn't even come in to fight.

there is nothing to fight against. because of all the info dropping and role claiming I have to be bad. it's wrong, but there isn't much I can say to defend myself.

Snow Dog, what do you think about FZ? I feel like this is her civvie game, but I just thought about it and it seems a bit weird she hasn't even been discussed.

FZ. wrote:Hmm, looks like I was wrong about BR. I'm sorry, but I think that in the end, it was a good thing, because it just narrowed down our options.
As for Splints, the way she said she never throws a teammate under the bus, and no one said otherwise, made me think she's trust worthy. BR, do you think that Splints is the kind of baddie that will break the tie and lynch her own teammate? I would do it, where I come from, but I think things here work differently.

She has already answered that.

Black Rock wrote:

FZ. wrote:Who among DF, BR, and Splints, is most likely to throw a team mate under the bus?

Missed this one. That's easy Splints. Hands down.

This is just untrue. I wouldn't "hands down" be the one to throw a teammate under the bus. BR, with the exception of that ENO game which I barely played and was different then your average game, has never been a teammate of mine, and is not the best judge of what I would do from a teammate perspective. I wouldn't hands down throw a teammate under the bus. I absolutely hate to vote a teammate and have gone well out of my way to defend a teammate from being lynched. A good example is in the mafia game that just happened (Monopoly) I voted to save my teammate, thellama, when he was lynched. Even though I could have gotten money in that case from lynching him I still did not vote him, because I do not like to vote teammates! Like I said, I would rather win with my team than at all.

Now lets get to the situation you brought up.

FZ. wrote:Splints- When she came in, there was a tie between LC and MR. If LC is a civ, she would have looked very bad if she would have been the one to get him killed. So her options were either to vote for MR, or "miss" the vote. Seeing that she missed the next vote, she could have done the same with the LC vs. MR vote, and let chance decide. BUT, on K-site, when there's a tie, whoever got the votes before, is the one lynched. I don't know how it is here, but if it's the same, then she knew that MR would be the one lynched, and she wanted to look like she caused his death.

Generally with Epig and ties, if there is a tie then no one is lynched. As has been pointed out, Chick hates ties and could be the deciding factor.
Now, lets look at your scenario and say I'm a baddie. I vote LC, he is lynched and revealed a civvie. That would look bad for both me and MR, but I would still have my teammate another day and we would have more chances to kill and lynch other civvies. Plus I would have had his ability for longer. I think that no matter which way we look at it, it would have made sense, if I was teammates with MR, to try and delay his lynch for longer.

That would explain why some of the confirmed civvies have not been NK'd though.

I voted BR as well. She had some sketchy votes earlier on, and I think she is more likely to be a baddie then LC.

FZ. wrote:I meant she voted late. BR is female, right?

BR is LC's wife.

Probably. But hosts would have to answer for sure

It was pretty late. I don't know to the exact second. I always vote as late as I can if possible every game.

FZ: bwt/MM was killed by baddies. In that time chick killed, so he isn't chick and he isn't a baddie. Why are you so focused on him?

Snow Dog wrote:

fingersplints wrote:This was the Mr. The King post.

Elohcin wrote:

From Mr. The King...

"Please don't kill anymore civvies!!"

Thanks. but I need to find it to see who died after.

Sabie died the night that was posted so it is possible it was her, and that that went through even if she died. (N5) The only reason I suggest her is what was said "please don't kill anymore civvies" seems a bit generic, like someone who posted it is newer and doesn't know what can be done with that kind of role

MP was the next night kill I believe.

linki I had a different role in mind for Simon, but could be as well I suppose. It does sound like him too

Maybe it was sabie?

This was the Mr. The King post.

Elohcin wrote:

From Mr. The King...

"Please don't kill anymore civvies!!"

FZ. wrote:Splints, I quoted the wrong post. I asked you if you think MM's vote makes him a baddie or not?

No. I do not think his vote makes him bad. I think he is a civvie.
As to why I have been less helpful: I haven't been around. and I'm mafia'd out. I'm going to try to be a bit more active.

Also to answer your other question, while probably not really addressed to me, I hate throwing teammates under the bus. I'd rather win with all my team or not at all. I'd have to be a pretty crappy teammate of MR's to have been the deciding vote that broke that tie and lynched him.
I think both BR and DF would throw a teammate under the bus if they had to, but neither would go out of their way to do so.

FZ. wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Tink wrote:

FZ. wrote:Tink, so you think LC is on the baddie team, and DF Chicks?

Yes. The only thing bothering me is that Long Con voted for Mister Reannager. Would he vote for a teammate?

Did you read what I wrote about MR voting for LC when DF had the same number of votes? So the question is not only would LC vote for a team mate, but would MR do the same when he had no reason to do so?

So do you think it makes him bad or not? Also, can you say why you've been less helpful this game?

Are you asking yourself this?

FZ. wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

FZ. wrote:I seriously doubt that LC is on MR's team. At the time MR had 3 votes, LC had one (Dom) and DF had one (Ambray). He chose to put his vote on LC. If they were working together, why not put his vote on DF? So if anyone was working with MR out of the two, it's DF.

So that leaves LC to possibly be Chicks, but I see nothing supporting it more than any other player for the moment, so I don't get the votes on LC. Which makes me very worried.

Also, I saw this role and I wonder, could he force people to vote what he wants them to vote?
Professor Z
Rewires cars to work for him. *Secret*


Why isn't anyone here when I finally am?

I have never been forced to vote. Anyway, as I believe LC to be possibly Chicks I guess he is potentially handy to have around. So I'll vote elsewhere.

My biggest suspects are DF and BR.

The people who I don't think belong to the lemons, are you, Tink LC and me, naturally. Which leaves: DF, Splints, MM and BR.

Splints, BR and DF voted for MR, and MM voted for BR that day. But he could have saved MR if he is a baddie, though maybe he couldn't be here. What hours is MM usually here?

Then, there's the question of Ambray's real identity. Do you think LC is lying about her being the real Lightning? Why would he do that? If he isn't lying, look at the people who voted for her:
MM, Dom, DF and BR. The same people we can not decide on. Hmm

MM replaced bwt so is likely a civvie. MM is usually around later I believe. I'd have to look at when DF and BR voted.
I have a bit of a problem with LC. I think he is less likely to be a baddie, because of the vote for MR, but I don't know that I trust him. I do not see what he would gain from lying about Ambray being the real McQueen.

FZ. wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I am here!
I think those are very good points. Do you think one of those votes for LC is forced?

What do you think? About everything I mean. Who do you think is bad?

MM's vote seems fishy. I don't even remember him saying why he was voting LC. maybe he had to vote LC?

I am here!
I think those are very good points. Do you think one of those votes for LC is forced?

FZ. wrote:LC, I don't think that the secret Chicks has is surviving a night kill. I think it has something to do with the "hate ties", and I don't see how surviving a kill is related. If that's your main reasoning for thinking DF is a baddie, then I'd have to agree with him that there are better explanations for surviving the NK.

The way I see it, I think Chicks would want to keep a low profile, if he stands a chance of being the last one standing. He can't be too "in your face" or annoy anyone, nor can he be too quiet, though those who want to lynch the quiet ones have already been NK, and if I'm not wrong, they were killed by Chicks (llama, MP for example). So BR and Splints are certainly a possibility. Moreover, Chicks killed Dom tonight, and if he listened to me, he killed a person that I thought was a baddie. Who among the players was more likely to listen to me?

Splints, why are you failing? Have you been travelling a lot lately? Or is there another reason you're not contributing?

But I think that it's more important that we focus on the baddie team today.

I am failing for having missed several votes. When this game started I was staying with family in NY, and then came home to London. I've been home for a couple weeks now, but had to settle, adjust to different time zone, and spend some time with my husband. It's proven more difficult to get back into the game.

FZ. wrote:Splints, you haven't shared any thoughts since I came back. Care to tell us what you think?

Yes, I know, sorry. I'm around but I've really been failing. At the moment I am looking into DF and BR. I think some good points have been made for both.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 is replacing birdwithteeth11.
FZ. is replacing Boogs.

Nvm. ^^^

Snow Dog wrote:who replaced bwt? And didn't he replace someone?

He was killed, then rezzed, then asked to be replaced. I don't think anyone has replaced him yet.

Snow Dog wrote:Peterbilt a Mack? What on earth does that mean? It is English I presume?

kinds of trucks

RIP Ambray hope everything gets better for you
sorry for missing the vote. I feel really bad.

FZ. wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I don't get why Ambray is so fed up tbh :/ It seems like baddie backed in to a corner, but I dont know. I guess I will wait and see how she responds to FZs comments first

The fed up is not what bothers me. Why is it that every time someone is not as enthusiastic about the game in this site, people automatically assume it's a baddie saying it? Sometimes, for example, people are frustrated when they're constantly being accused and they are just fed up with people not listening to them.

Anyway, what bothers me about what Ambray says is the fact she associated between her feelings toward the game, and the way we perceive her. The thing is, we can't afford to lynch a civ, so I don't want to vote for her just because she's fed up and might not answer. I hope she does.

I don't think anytime someone is not enthusiastic about a game that it means they are a baddie. I think that sometimes baddies get annoyed when caught, especially if they perceive it is for lousy reasons.

I don't get why Ambray is so fed up tbh :/ It seems like baddie backed in to a corner, but I dont know. I guess I will wait and see how she responds to FZs comments first

I voted myself too.

I agree with the suspicion of MR, so I am going to vote there. Should have more time in the morning.

I really hate spread out votes. So I will vote for one of the ones already with a vote, but not sure who yet.

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:BR, to pick your brain: What are your thoughts on the player list at the moment? Who do you have reads on and who do you not, and what are the reads you have?

I can't pick out any baddies. Even LC has me questioning myself now. Tink and Simon I don't know to read, they are playful.

I can never fully trust you and Dom. Last time I made the mistake of trusting you I got burned.

I believe Snow Dog and Made are good. I think Splints might be good, but I have nothing to back that up.

I am not opinionated on the rest.

I feel so unopinionated on so many people this game it isn't even funny. I'm supposed to be on break and I find myself in too many games. Should be able to get myself back in this one more tonight I hope

I want to go watch the hobbit at the cinema for 9 hours straight.

RIPIYWG sabie. and wb bwt

I'm very sad Kate had to be replaced since I was looking forward to playing with her but am glad to be back in the game.

RIP Roxy. I have to read back, because I was admittedly only skimming since my death, but I'm curious about the sudden turn around on Roxy.

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Lol, well, no that's not baddie hunting anyone that's not me. I just mean your hunting has seemed forced and not genuine a lot of the time. I know that's hard to defend against though.

And it's not exactly because you're asking questions, it's more because you kept asking them without adding any of your own input or opinion on the matter.

I hate to be a broken record, but less input from me coincided with a busy time that we were very up-front about. So I can't help you there, I agree, I have given less input than I would have if it had been a free-time time of the year.

Your elaboration re: your trust of Roxy just doesn't make sense to me and elucidates my point. Do YOU trust Roxy? You sort of skirt the question. You're relying too much on other people's opinions, it's just strange.

I don't trust Roxy more than others, but I do like the fresh perspective she brought to the thread when she got unsilenced. After so much MP07-following wrongness in those lynches, I agreed with looking at another perspective.

And I have tried to to some back-reading to see if I could find a baddie, but the only thing I really see there is that maybe Roxy and fingersplints are baddies together. fingersplints was one of the big Roxy trusters, and I believe it was Roxy who mentioned something about 'trusting because of friendship', which originally led me to disregard splints as a "truspect".

I am not trusting Rox because of friendship. I am trusting Rox based on my ability to read her.

Sorry guys for my inactivity. I should have mentioned yesterday was keys birthday, so no time for mafia. Should be a bit better now.

Bass
sorry everyone for missing the vote. I haven't even read all that went down other then the host post. I'm gonna be busy packing the rest of the night. Flight tomorrow back to England so won't be around until Thursday.

Snow Dog wrote:I think at the moment I am still up for a Bass vote. The case on him still seems pretty good to me.
Llama was onto Ambray. Shame he got killed because i wanted to ask him about that.

Do you think that is why he got killed?

geez MP chill. Give some other people a chance to discuss before you accuse them of not playing! So, I'm not sure where I am voting yet. I do not see this as MP's baddie game, so probably not there.

RIPIYWG llama

Made wrote:I'm going out on a limb and assuming Chick thought Llama was mafia.
Assuming the above is correct, would Chick target llama during the day? A second question, does it matter yet? I mean if s/he baddie hunting, they're an asset until all mafia are dead.

I don't think they are an "asset". They are still LMS, and can just as easily kill a civvie as a baddie.
I find this choice of kill to be very odd, since llama has gotten quite a bit of attention this game. I also find your comments here a bit confusing. Why wouldn't chick want to target llama during the day if they thought he was a baddie? They need everyone dead to win, and helping lynch a baddie would look good for them.

I voted Boogs because I forgot he was playing.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:See, Sabie and Snow Dog? The owner of this site is the worst at mafia but he still loves it. :P

Why is there a ? after Snow Dog?

Both Sabie and Snow Dog had expressed views at some point this game about not being good at mafia. So I was addressing both of them, saying, "See, ____ and _____? I am terrible and it's okay!" Lol.

Oh I read it "See sabie and... snow dog???" Like you weren't sure you were addressing him. Reading this lynch was tiring. My brain is fried

MovingPictures07 wrote:See, Sabie and Snow Dog? The owner of this site is the worst at mafia but he still loves it. :P

Why is there a ? after Snow Dog?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who's BHB? Bookhouse? It seems vaguely familiar to me.

Yes, he literally used to get lynched every Day 2 when I first started. Actually my first game I played he was my teammate and got lynched Day 2, and that is when I realized I was bad.

Roxy wrote:he got a "lady friend" (his words not mine lol you know how Bookhouse could be) who did not appreciate mafia and all thing realted.

I forgot about the lady friend!

I miss some of the old STVers

MovingPictures07 wrote:Or maybe it's because FZ. is the Seemer!!! :P

Well you did call that.

FZ I was hoping they were right because this getting lynched early is incredibly disappointing. (Rox: She's the new BHB, it is day 2 after all)

MP, FZ has the most voted anyways? why are you so upset?
I don't understand all this "civvies deserve to lose" stuff. I think I am missing something because this doesn't seem to be case shut to me as you are making it out to be. I don't know if I believe all three would be so blatantly obvious. I could see the bass/FZ thing but when Roxy disagreed with it and you lumped her on to the group I feel like your case lost some credibility.

I voted BR. I still feel her votes have been strange and I'm not sure I am sold on the FZ/Bass/Roxy thing since I was reading civvie on two of them. I will reread it and consider it though MP.

Calm down everyone

Roxy wrote:I think I going to "relax"(:p wish you were here splints) for a few and let these latest posts sink in.


Linky wall 'o text tldr going to "relax"

you have no idea how much I wish I was there too and how disappointed I am I didn't make it there this trip. Too much to do and too little time. I shouldn't have worked.

So, it seems like BR is very busy, but that is two weird votes now.

Black Rock wrote:I voted for Llama for now, cause I feel bad for BWT.

Black Rock wrote:I'm going to drop a vote on Dom for now, no good reason except that I'm stirring the pot. I am also voting now because I am quite busy today and may miss the vote otherwise.

Rox, I know you expressed concern about her day 1 vote. How are you feeling about it now? I can't say it makes me feel great about her. I know she seems busy but it seems like there is a lot of stuff going on in the thread and could have found any reason to vote.

FZ said I should be looked at for voting Rox and not coming back to change it. But FZ is on an earlier schedule then me. I intended to, and did come back to change it, later when I was able to at work. You can look back at it if you'd like though.

I have no idea where I plan to vote at this point.

Rox, I think FZ is a civvie. She is always fairly outspoken. But she was throwing out a lot of names yesterday and to me it read like she was really just trying to consider everyone. (as opposed to when baddies do it to just see what will take)