The Syndicate

Bullzeye wrote:Were you the Pixie, Splints? I assumed you were after that role poll and dropped all suspicion of you. I also found a note saying the Pixie was suspicious people kept thinking she was bad. So if that was you we were right next to each other at one point.

I was! I knew my role would become obvious eventually. That always seems to be the case with message roles. Some messages did hint to me some. Specifically the campaign poster and wanted posters. The wanted ones I used both £ and $, and the amount was the number in my husbands username.

I wished I had met up with you

only ran into baddies

Damn you baddies

I think if Draco and I had found each other in map btsc we would have stood more of a chance. I think there was just too much discovered too late. We did the best we could though. We were up against too many good baddies.

Thanks for the game LC and BR. I had a lot of fun with my role, and loading up on a bunch of useless crap at the end there

I didn't care about the explosion or anything SVS. What I was excited about was that people saw my presidential campaign poster. Some of those took me a while. (I had an unused wanted poster for Timmer as well) So I wanted everyone to comment on my images. I was so happy for that role poll so everyone could just talk about me

One thing that I really don't like about the plan Golden suggested is that we now have basically guaranteed the baddies are going to kill me tonight as he has announced everyone else is either protected or unable to be killed. So hope they don't find me now :/

linki: I was just joking about the Golden thing. I don't have any reason to believe him, so if I am wrong I'd just give up trying to read him. Don't think I am.
I've proved myself to several this game. The civvies know who I am

S~V~S wrote:Aw Dom. OK, maybe I even believe you a bit.

If it is Draco or Splints they deserve a special Oscar for this game.

OK, well, I tried.

and Golden

Actually, you mentioned HSK again. In that game, for those who did not play, the baddie team systematically took out our neutral team each night because we were obvious. SVS, the last out of 5, wanted revenge. So shouldn't Dom also want revenge since SVS admits she kinda singlehandedly fucked over his team this game?

S~V~S wrote:It was not me that did it, it was a result of the night poll. I doubt LC would take anyone off the poll this late. And yeah, I get that. I just wanted to singlehandedly (kinda, lol, you know what I mean) take that whole team out.

I'd be surprised if Dom takes your offer but weirder things have happened. It would definitely take the suspense out of the end game and the "Is it Dom?" or "Is Draco fooling us?"

I'm pretty paranoid still

And I need you dead to win. :P You can't make me feel guilty for what you have done.

S~V~S wrote:The civvies turned their backs on me, Dom

You did try to kill me....

Wait, what if some of us have + in the poll if golden and SVS have -1. :/

Draconus wrote:SVS, I'd love to let you finish what you started, but you do seem to know how to get off the poll without a tribunal, and I'd rather not risk that happening again.

If I can find the poll removal place I have something scintillating that might blow it up.

Sorry SVS

I was actually planning on voting Dom, but the plan golden laid out with the no double targeting thing does seem most foolproof. as much as I'd like to take your word for it you won't kill one of us, this is a game, and you might have other tricks up your sleeve.

You played well. I trusted you a bunch of the game.

It is a 24 hour day, Golden, per the poll title.

I think it's most likely SVS is by herself, if she is the last cabal. However what if there are two Circle left? (Original and recruit) are we believing Tranq that Sorsha was the last original circle?

And I forgot to say last night, I can now see why you thought that from that post Dom (about surviving the kill), but that is not the mistake I am talking about. Now unfortunately it isn't narrowed down as much as I thought since SVS and Tranq were around the same area during both kills.

Actually, thinking about that I have to look back into the timeline of that. SVS and Tranq were on the same square during my attempted kill, but Tranq claimed he went through the portal while SVS stayed, but they seemed to have met back up by the Sorsha kill. Idk I have to look back at the map some more, but something isn't adding up from where he was and where SVS could have moved to. Could be something they discussed in baddie btsc and not map btsc like they seemed to say. In case circle finds me and tries to kill me tonight, there could be something there

We can still talk though. I'm a bit surprised there was more then one left. I didn't expect a recruit. A couple of days ago a thought "maybe we should be paranoid about more recruits. It IS kinda these hosts thing" but then I put it out of my mind :/

So, who is left then? I don't understand Tranq vs SVS in the thread if he was recruited by her. Why even call that much attention to himself since he was pretty relatively under the radar a lot of the game.

Hopefully not me since he has been working on lynching me.

It's gotten really quiet. I feel very uneasy about this.

I switched back to Tranq. I really hate this day. I don't trust either of the two. Really not sure this is a good idea but idk what else to do. I don't trust Dom. And I don't really trust Tranq either, but more people I do have some trust of are against him.

I don't know what to do :/

Linki

ok here is where I stand: I for one, am glad we have 48 hours. I am not sure why it's being rushed. I'm still not sure how I want to vote yet. I feel like Dom is saying all the wrong things and it's making me suspect him more and more. Tranq I feel is saying all the right things, but I am not sure I can get past Goldens assurance. I do not think its tranq and SVS like Golden is saying. I think Tranq OR SVS is cabal. That leaves Dom for circle unless Draconus is fooling us.

Dom wrote: FS hinted that she knew she'd survive, it makes me question which is true.

please show me where I hinted at this.

Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote: I really do think the statue was recruited by the civ cause.

Of the knowledged I've gained, I think SVS tried to kill Splints. There are other suspicions I had of those now dead that were also based on knowledge.
This post of LoRab's tells you everything you need to know.

fingersplints wrote:
Golden wrote:I just caught up for a little and realised... the voting is in part based on emotion. It makes me sad.

I didn't really realised how much of that was in it, but I'm just asking for your trust for one day. I fear if we don't take out tranq now it's game over. If tranq dies today and a team is actually ended, then I'll vote for dom with anyone else tomorrow, I will give my promise.
We will see what Dom's reason for continuing suspecting me is. You don't find it all weird that he can't give a reason why he suspects one of his two suspects this game?
I have explained this. My initial suspicion of you has been discussed many a time. Day 9 is full of that. However, at this point, it's just down to numbers. And you would be my next guess after Tranq/SVS.

And I have explained that I don't think you explained it well at all and I would like you to again. Many things have happened since Day 9. It's now day 15. Your suspicion of me has felt made up from the beginning, and especially now that I'm pretty sure literally every one else in the game except you knows my role and has for days.

Since you can't be bothered to look up your fake reason for suspecting me, I will do it for you. Let's go back to day 9.

Dom wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Dom wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
I'm probably voting Bass. I feel alright about the Wilgy vote though. like I said this seems more like his baddie game vs what I saw when I hosted him. I was hoping to reread the game this reminds me most of (90's Mafia on jtm) but haven't had a chance to, and seems it probably won't be necessary at this point.

What?
If Wilgy doesn't flip the way I think he will-- you might be my next vote.

"Wilgy is probably bad, but I won't vote there."
Why?
To avoid having responsibility for his death.

IDK highly contingent on Wilgy's allignment, but this post stank to me.

And then we had a back and forth about whether or not you suspected me for a while. I still disagree with you on all that, and I think I only got your attention when I said I wasn't sure you were a civvie anymore.

So now that both Wilgy and Bass have been revealed as civvies, and actual baddies from that team have been lynched.... I repeat, Why do you suspect me to be circle?

Golden wrote:I just caught up for a little and realised... the voting is in part based on emotion. It makes me sad.

I didn't really realised how much of that was in it, but I'm just asking for your trust for one day. I fear if we don't take out tranq now it's game over. If tranq dies today and a team is actually ended, then I'll vote for dom with anyone else tomorrow, I will give my promise.

We will see what Dom's reason for continuing suspecting me is. You don't find it all weird that he can't give a reason why he suspects one of his two suspects this game?

Another thing Dom, why are you so sure either SVS or Tranq tried to kill me then. If you think one of them killed me (someone on my square) like everyone else - because that is role related. So I'm just asking what specific reason you have for thinking it must have been someone on my square because that doesn't make any sense to me.

I'm actually switching to Dom for the moment. This close to the end it really isn't that crazy to reiterate why you suspect someone, but Dom doesn't seem to be able to, or want to, and that is shady to me.

Dom - I don't think you have expressed much reason for suspecting me either. I agree with SVS that you have been saying my name without anything behind it really. I think that suspicion is fake.

I don't se half the board anywhere, although there is this

Long Con wrote:
Baddie Team kills have a range of 2. Only those who are within two squares of a member of the killing baddie team may be targeted with a nightkill by that team. This graphic shows an example of a kill range on any given night for a baddie team.

When a member of the baddie team dies, each remaining member's kill range increases by one. When two baddies from the same team are on the same square, their kill range is increased by one.

3 dead from cabal would put the range at 5. The bit about the kill range increasing by one when sharing a square with a teammate - I wonder if this includes dead teammates bodies.

There isn't only one baddie left though right? I mean we know both teams are still around. Unless it is one per team. I have to go read up on that. I just find I interesting if Tranq is bad he would pick Sorsha when he could have killed others instead.

Golden if we can figure out where Sorshas body is we can know if Tranq was within distance from her. He is at the square I just left.

Is there anyway we can tell where Sorsha was killed?

Ok

Sorsha

Why is China on the poll? Every other country has a player/host living in it

also

lorab

I've lived in half the countries on the poll!

Changed to Lorab - Lorab you can't really name circle suspects when pestered. I think your suspicions tonight have been convenient. Like you suddenly have knowledge SVS tried to kill me. Others have been speculating on that the entire lynch, why now?

And doms vote has scared me that you two have something up.

This Lorab suspicion is new and I am not sure I feel as strongly about it as I feel about SVS

Tranq wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I'm voting SVS., but Lorab is making me more and more suspicious with every post.
I think you should consider changing your vote.

If golden does I will

I'm voting SVS., but Lorab is making me more and more suspicious with every post.

Skimmed the beginning to find the list

I retract that bit. Still seems like more suspects then needed for that team and you have been very vague at your reasons for suspecting any.

I noticed Timmer wasn't listed in her possible circle either and he was alive at the time.

Very vague Lorab. Kinda funny you are complaining about people not giving any reason for suspecting you and then you give no reasons with your "suspects".

S~V~S wrote:
Tranq wrote:Well, let's see. Let's ask everyone. Answering no wouldn't be against the rules.

Draconus, did you recruit Dom? Unlikely, given the btsc we shared and his suspicion of you Day 12.
fingersplints, did you recruit Dom? I guess not, as fingersplints is your Circle suspect.
Golden, did you recruit Dom? Unlikely, given Golden considered you a suspect Day 12 here and here.
LoRab, did you recruit Dom?
S~V~S, did you recruit Dom? Haha maybe it's S~V~S!
Sorsha, did you recruit Dom? I guess not, as Sorsha is your Circle suspect.
No I did not recruit Dom.

Dom wrote:
Tranq wrote:Forgot to include LoRab in your list?
Yeah- I did.
You forgot to include me too

I think someone said a bunch of crap to me based on the presumption that I am bad. So I am not a huge fan of this being discussed this way, since it is not true, and I have not admitted I was bad to anyone. But at this point all I really care about it that the people who killed Metalmarsh die. That was unnecessary. He put his faith in me, and it got him screwed. All I care about at this point is that the Circle does NOT win, other than that I don't particularly care who does. Circle members, ask TH how I am about this kind of thing, he was my teammate in HSK.

You killed my marmot.

Why would we have to ask the dead baddie when golden and I, who are alive civvies, were also teammates in HSK?

I'm not sure what to make of your comparison to this game where you were an Indy/neutral wanting to get rid of one baddie team who stole your items and systematically NKd your team.
You are being accused of cabal, not being circle, so wanting circle dead does not excuse you from suspicion. Plus you seem to be ignoring one major fact that Tranq is not. Golden are you forgetting SVS's thinking that someone other than her and Tranq may have killed me.

Dom - do you still think I am circle? Because you seem to have dropped that

Timmer was seemingly unlynchable, but he is gone, so can someone remind me why we don't want to lynch cabal again?

Of course I am a bit paranoid about you pushing this though. If I am wrong and it isn't SVS that means it's you

gotcha thanks

also likely BIH roles but bye Timmer and MM

Tranq wrote:So, MM and Timmer are dead. It still makes more sense to lynch another member of the Circle first.
SVS is a one-woman team at this point. Timmer had 3 teammates who helped him get off the poll. If he only had 2, another 3rd player would've gotten a PM asking them to take Timmer off the poll. I suspect they recruited the Living Statue, and have Scrippleskitz or Possessing Entity still alive. I'm not willing to give them the Cabal's NK tonight. With an SVS lynch and a civ NK, they're standing 4 vs 2. If they have Scrippleskitz, they win. If they have Possessing Entity, and the role is similar to the version in A World Apart, they potentially have a lynch deflection. They'd win.

Dom is the most obvious Circle of Decay member. I suspect LoRab is aswell. I think she recruited him. Their thread behaviour links them together and they both have connections to Timmer and Turnip Head aswell. I'll make a post on them in a bit.

I don't suspect Sorsha at this point. One could say the game has come full circle

How is it 4? We just lynched TH and Timmer is gone now

I agree with you about the rest just trying to work out the numbers. I'm not sure why Lorab is cleared by some. I'd always rather lynch original baddie over recruit - so I guess my lynch options would look Lorab > SVS > Dom

I live in a big city, so I vacation to get away from that. I hate rides. And Timmer scares me at the mountains!

So beach it is.

Turnip Head wrote:
Golden wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:He said he was "more or less 100% sure" Bass was bad; as I've been harping on, what does that even mean?
It has a very plain meaning. I gave you a link to both the definition, and then I explained exactly what I meant and why I said it. The fact you are still harping on it does not look good for you, in my opinion.
If you think it's possible that you can be "more or less" 100% sure about something, then you're the one who doesn't understand the phrase. I did not need the definition, I know what it means. You're using it wrong because those two things are mutually exclusive. You either think something is 100% true or you don't. It's basic mathematics.

More likely, I think you used "100%" to get people to think you had info, and then said "more or less" to give yourself an out. If you wanted us to think you weren't sure, you would have used a percentage less than 100. You used 100% several times that Day.

I did not get the impression he had info fwiw.

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:EBWOP, I think Golden went along with it since he trusted Sorsha. She had been making feints at Bass for several days.
No, in that case it wasn't Sorsha. It was all my own process of elimination, genuinely, as I put in the thread.

G9 - I'm almost certain splints was responsible for that, but I think it was a cursecrafter item.

Did I miss speculation that someone else was responsible for G9? I thought everyone knew I was responsible for that and had figured out what I was trying to do with that square. Btw thanks for not inviting me to my own party, Golden

Oh wait cabal was last night. I'm confused who you think we should lynch then if you don't want SVS.

I'm getting roles and teams mixed up. Sorry. I'll try and get a better grasp on it tomorrow.

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