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), and I enjoyed the change of pace being an Indy and having win conditions completely non-contingent upon everyone else's goals. I enjoyed watching the panic and ridiculous speculation that ensued from my absolutely BS messages.My win condition was to get rid of as many players with hats (as in, their role picture) as possible. If the hats outnumbered the no-hats, I would win with any alignment, whether or not I was lynched.Long Con wrote:Was the Hatter's win condition just survival? Also, I believed his threats were empty!
I changed his message to me to try and get Mongoose some sort of cred by grouping her with Civs.
Y'all ain't gonna be happy (well, some of you will 
). I'll vote Mongoose for now for the slim possibility of saving myself, and because I could see her as bad due for non-committal posts, etc. (not strong, but shit, life saving and whatnot)
Looks like I may be voting to save myself, if possible. Waste of y'all's time. I'm gonna finish frosting a cake. I'll check back via phone later.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scorcery
That wouldn't make logical sense on my part. I stated suspicion of Made long before any votes were cast, multiple times. Why on earth would I draw up suspicion on the only teammate left? And for the record, I may be relatively quiet in-thread, but I am far from an inactive player. I don't miss my night actions, and I don't see a good, sound reason (especially still in the middle of this game) to miss a kill purposely.zeek wrote:I reckon the last Suit is either Blooper or Daisy. Less clear on the Sorcerers right now.
Fudge it is!S~V~S wrote:I vote fudge
I agree with this. I wasn't keen on the DH/Snow Dog connection part of timmer's case on Snow Dog since I'm not seeing DH as bad, but the lynch votes, combined with Snowy's behavior lately, which looks like cornered baddie to me, and the possibility of a connection with Roxy's vote and sudden death, make him a viable candidate. For the first time this game, I'll vote with a majority because I can agree with at least part of itRusstifinko wrote:Fair enough, I guess, though I'm a bit miffed at the implication here.Long Con wrote:I think Russ should reiterate the case.
The case being, Snowie did not vote DF, and voted Dom in the now-infamous Dom/Black Rock lynch. So he's got good potential to be a Suit.
Linki: Made, not sure I understand Parts 2 & 3 of your theory. Teamed how? And what do you mean by MP being tainted?
I do agree that a DH lynch would yield a lot of info. Unfortunately, I my gut just doesn't say bad on him right now. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows. But I'm personally not desperate enough to vote people I think are civ just to check the validity of other theories.
So basically your case against me is that I don't vote on bandwagon lynches. You're right about my being careful - I have been more careful in this game to vote for what I think/understand rather than blindly follow cases at the last minute. I am more angry with myself when I let myself glide along with a game like that. But my voting record makes me stand out, something I try my damnest not to do when I'm bad. I stand by my votes, minority or no.timmer wrote: But, I'll point out one other person who came to light last night.
nijuu.
Day 1 lynch: DH was at 6 votes. MM at 4. LC at 2. Nijuu voted LC, avoiding the two main lynches. Not too big a deal, right?
Correct. I have said multiple times I don't feel DH is bad, and I definitely felt LC was exhibiting baddie behavior with his Rey vote, etc. I definitely didn't agree with any sort of so-called "case" with MM, and that was right.
Day 2 lynch: Made was at 5 votes. llama 4. nijuu bypassed them and voted Eloh, avoiding the main two lynches. Not a huge deal still maybe?
Indeed. Eloh made a sudden vote for zeek without much explanation at all. I believed Made was telling the truth about his force, and didn't agree with others voting for him because of it. I didn't vote llama because his behavior wasn't out of the ordinary enough to vote him, and again, was right.
Day 3 lynch: DF is at 7 votes, Boomslang 3, DH 2. nijuu votes LC, bypassing all three main lynches. now I'm seeing a pattern.
Didn't follow the DF case closely, and it was the start of exam week at work, which is an absolute shitshow. I went with what I was comfortable with, voting LC again.
Day 4 lynch: dom vs bass.
Posts a wishy-washy single post the whole day:
"About this poll...I haven't had strong feelings about either contender, as many others have expressed, as well. I haven't really played with Bass much to differentiate his games. Dom to me seems pretty...Dom. Not much out of the ordinary. I definitely thought it was weird of him to say that Bass was Civ in light of this poll, but I suppose I can understand it? Maybe? I wouldn't do it in his situation. And it puts the voter in a conundrum - if you trust Dom, and Dom says Bass is good, then who do you vote for? That being said, I don't necessarily trust either of them. My gut says vote Bass. Sorry, absentee."
Votes bass. Both bass and Dom were at 5 votes at the time.
My posting one time in a day is not unusual. It's how I play mafia, especially during the workweek. And if you're going to point out wishy-washy posts, go back to just about everyone else's regarding the lynch, because that was the theme of the day - "I don't want to vote either of these people" was in just about everyone's posts.
Skip Day 5 as it's a wash.
Day 6, nijuu is interesting. He seems like he is one of panickers moving votes around, but he isn't. He used his same thoughts on LC from Day 1 to vote him. What's most noticeable? At the time he voted Long Con, the main vote getters were Russ, and I think DH/Snowy? Basically about three people had votes and LC had only 1. So once again, nijuu went out of his WAY to avoid being attache to any lynch train. What happened afterwards was that others followed him.
LOL I cringed at this because I'm a Lady BlooperThis lynch vote was absolutely absurd. I spent time reading throughout the night in spurts, and there were so many vote changes, supposed cases, and last-minute things happening that it was just about impossible to keep up (this was also coupled with the fact that I had literally only had two hours tops of sleep the night before because of a very bad work situation, so that didn't help comprehension/case building much). I didn't vote Russ because I didn't understand the case posted so suddenly, and I don't like voting last minute for a person without having a real conviction about it. I didn't vote DH because I've mentioned this before. I have done so in the past, just voting along with others, and I'm almost never happy with it. So, I once again voted where I was comfortable.
So I still believe Snowy is bad news and will leave my vote on him. But I believe nijuu has worked pretty hard to avoid being looked at by staying away from attention all game. I'd like others to look at him, please, to see what yu think. Now I've got to run.
Again, let's not lynch DH right now, or at least not for anything I'VE previously said, I'm pulling back a bit on it. And Snowy's vote for him just reinforces that snowy is bad for sure, for me.
I think I'll take a look at Made today, and another look at what's being said about Snow Dog.RELEASE THE KRAKEN BLOOPER BLOOPKEN!MovingPictures07 wrote:Digging the new avatar, Blooper!
Edit: Keep it there 'til the end. Bad wording.nijuukyugou wrote:Looking back at the polls, Roxy is the only person ever to actually vote Snowy in a lynch and end it there. Not saying this is definitive proof, but it's certainly interesting.S~V~S wrote:Several people have said this; what would voting for Snowy have to do with Roxy dying? Was that the only vote Snowy got the whole game? Am I missing something very obvious?
Looking back at the polls, Roxy is the only person ever to actually vote Snowy in a lynch and end it there. Not saying this is definitive proof, but it's certainly interesting.S~V~S wrote:Several people have said this; what would voting for Snowy have to do with Roxy dying? Was that the only vote Snowy got the whole game? Am I missing something very obvious?
I find it quite unsound about Roxy's mysterious death and her vote for SD, so that's somewhere I'm looking. He was mentioned for a while yesterday but it fell flat with many at the end. I was also interested to see what more people would say about Made - there was a lot of suspicion of him in the beginning of this game for the whole Hatter thing, which at the time I did not follow/agree with (the suspicion, that is - I didn't think he was lying as others did and, therefore, didn't suspect him because of it), but after that suspicion died, so did his participation. Perhaps that's real life stuff, but that's pretty un-Made like behavior. Or, rather, un-Civ like Made behaviorMovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks for elaborating, Blooper.
Do you have any other suspects besides LC?
Here comes a novel. Aaaanyway...First of all, I was not the first to vote LC - DH was. Yeah, I voted LC mostly because of the Rey thing from Day 1 and I've been seeing him in a baddie light since. I also read DH's case against him and, perhaps with my bias (LC and DH were back and forth), found it sound and had no qualms voting for him, especially since so many people were all over the place yesterday without much consistency. I've mentioned before, perhaps on more than one occasion, that I don't think DH is bad. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But my gut feelings have been working for me this game (and for some reason, work pretty well in most games I play, I've found), and I haven't been seeing the baddie vibes others seem to see.MovingPictures07 wrote:I hope Blooper explains her vote, since she was the first one to vote LC. Then Russ moved over, and it seemed like LC was the only viable NON-DH and NON-Russ candidate.
Yes. At the time I voted, there were a decent number of votes on Russ and people are always getting flak for "spreading the vote," even when the majority vote seems kinda ridiculous. I believe in my tired state that I was going along the lines of "well, even if my vote doesn't count towards the lynch going on, I'm going to vote by conviction." That's not to say I didn't want my vote to go through - I stand by what I thought - but hell, that mentality sure went down the toilet with the result.DharmaHelper wrote:Uh, at the risk of spreading the vote, you voted for the guy with 1 vote at the time (Mine) and spread the vote?nijuukyugou wrote:Dammit dammit dammit my stupid post got lost...let's try to remember it, even though it was a jumbled mess of tired thoughts
Okay. So I've been reading the thread in spurts as I was able tonight (multitasking and whatnot). The main thing that I noticed was how many times the suspicions/majority votes seemed to change. Interesting theories on quiet/inactive players, and some nastiness along the way which was unfortunate. I am running on 2-3 hours of sleep from last night and I have been fighting the urge to fall asleep where I am all day. That being said, while I see some interesting cases, and I'd like to check the validity of this sudden popular vote on Russ, I am far too tired to do so, and I am not comfortable voting without checking. So at the risk of spreading the vote/looking like whatever, I'm going to vote LC, because my opinion on him hasn't changed. Might look at the whole changing aspect of people's opinions/votes tonight when I'm more awake, might not. Sleep will tell. Sleeeeeep.
So good night, good luck, and I hope the outcome is favorable. And I hope I made some semblance of sense above
Can you explain this defense a little more, if you're up for it? I'm a bit confused as to how this clears you up, but I'm certainly willing to understand.Long Con wrote:I'm obviously not a suit, they killed BR night 1. I'm not a sorcerer, I was after Dom in that lynch.
Please think people!!!
So, I'll hopefully be back tomorrow for catch up/posting/whatever. Grumble grumble... ), both Voldemort and Snape are likely candidates, although Voldemort would be hard pressed to bring back half the reason he was killed back to life, whereas Snape might bring Lily back, but I'm not sure how. Patronus? Resurrection stone? Are there Hallows involved? I suppose my point is it could go either way, but I'm more inclined towards Snape's bringing Lily back. And I'm probably making this more complicated than I need to...Quite a way to shut down the discussion of you, sir. I can see why Civs might want you out of the picture, and why they'd want you as a lynch candidate. You have secrets and win conditions we don't know about, and we don't know if those are detrimental to the Civ cause. And, seeing as we know your role, and it could be detrimental, versus possibly lynching one of our own under pure speculation of their baddiness, well, that sounds like a plausible reason. Not the greatest, but certainly plausible.MovingPictures07 wrote: Okay, so why would any player in this game, especially civilian, even consider me as a possible lynch candidate? Anyone want to field that one?
Except the ambiguity of what we're voting for exactly. I'd agree that it could be just picking someone to chat with the Doctor, except that the post Doctor is saying we need to "correctly work out whom," like a puzzle. Hmm... )I read Dom's thoughts and thought that he had a point. As I said, I expected more to come out of their back and forth on tag team day, but got nothing, and Dom pointed it out. What would you like clarified, good sir? For the record, I'm not inclined to vote either of them today based on this point; it's not a huge suspicion, but just something to look at and take into account.MovingPictures07 wrote:Dom, I know I commented earlier, but since you asked: I still don't really see anything in the timmer and rey suspicion. The fact that Blooper thinks it has "merit" is odd to me and something I hope she can clarify on.
This is a good point, although I think baddies are in both groups. I think I mentioned before in my response to bea that that whole lynch scenario looked like a great opportunity for the baddies to latch on to two of our strangest (and I mean that in an excellent way) and most outspoken players and hide behind the "well, they were acting weird" excuse.Turnip Head wrote: In fact, I feel much more compelled to look at the Made voters than the Llama voters. Some people probably truly believed Made was lying, but I think others were aware that they could hop on that bandwagon without looking too suspicious. Made clearly made waves on Day 2 and I can see the baddies in their chatrooms salivating at the opportunity for an easy lynch.
I think your thoughts have merit. Timmer did say he was having RL issues, but I agree that their exchanges didn't contain much meat at all. I expected more to be said as they were waiting for each other to be able to do back and forth, when it culminated into essentially nothing. So you're thinking that it was just a way to look like they were saying something, but not actually reveal their opinions so as not to look bad? Or any particular way?Dom wrote:What does everyone think of my thoughts on Rey and Timmer? Rubbish?
Epignosis wrote: “The Sorting Hat says you, nijuukyugou, belong in the House of Proctoring.” Dumbledore shook his head and added, “Good luck next week.”
1) It is wonderful! I am making pot roast and the apartment smells fantasticbea wrote: linki - blooper! hi! How's it? What do you think about everyone else? Who are you trusting most obviously besides MP since you just voted him? - Who are you trusting least? Why? What do you think about what's been going on? Cuz things are going on now...
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Such a short time playing, but always a pleasure.Not too odd, given that I've been waiting to see if Mongoose would post since yesterday, but seems busy (which is perfectly fine and understandableDharmaHelper wrote:Went back and this is Mongooses last post.Mongoose wrote:Bloop, it's your turn, sug.
Black Rock was kind of a weird pick.
I saw bloop reading the thread a few minutes ago, kind of odd that she hasn't posted. Equally odd that Mongoose, being at least 3 or 4 points behind first place, just doesn't toss the comp out the window and post. IDK
) Quick thoughts and a vote, since I'm at the beach with friends and we're going to dinner in a few minutes (and I may or may not be a bit wine-drunk. Cheers )Just so I actually do respond to this and you don't think I'm ignoring you, yessir I do.Dom wrote:Can you see that you're mistaken now?nijuukyugou wrote:RIP MM/Mr. Humphries! Makes me want to go watch AYBS? Haven't watched it in ages.I believe I can chalk that comment up to seeing Eloh's reasoning that his "gameplay was weird." I was marathon reading about five or six pages this evening, so I might've attributed that one comment to several people's observations. Apologies if I was mistaken.Dom wrote:Why did you say, "supposed play style"? The case against him has nothing to do with his play style and everything to do with his logic and inability to see the flaws in said logic.nijuukyugou wrote:Good thing I tried to read some on my phone before now, because holy shit 10 pages and broken internet on the computer at work. Done catching up.
As I was reading, I see the votes have changed around, and several have gone on to Boomslang that weren't there before. I've never played with him, so I don't know his supposed playstyle. I don't really know why others are voting for him other than he's acting weird. I'm also not too much getting the MM votes. I haven't seen the big pings that others seem to see, but it might also be that I can only hold so many players in mind at once.
Picking partners...reminds me of school projects. I wouldn't mind being partnered with a Mongoose if she doesn't mind
I believe I can chalk that comment up to seeing Eloh's reasoning that his "gameplay was weird." I was marathon reading about five or six pages this evening, so I might've attributed that one comment to several people's observations. Apologies if I was mistaken.Dom wrote:Why did you say, "supposed play style"? The case against him has nothing to do with his play style and everything to do with his logic and inability to see the flaws in said logic.nijuukyugou wrote:Good thing I tried to read some on my phone before now, because holy shit 10 pages and broken internet on the computer at work. Done catching up.
As I was reading, I see the votes have changed around, and several have gone on to Boomslang that weren't there before. I've never played with him, so I don't know his supposed playstyle. I don't really know why others are voting for him other than he's acting weird. I'm also not too much getting the MM votes. I haven't seen the big pings that others seem to see, but it might also be that I can only hold so many players in mind at once.
This thread is killing methellama73 wrote:I AM MAKING A FEDERAL CASE OUT OF IT!DharmaHelper wrote:Alright already, calm down. Its a slightly less common phrase than you thought. No need to make a federal case out of it.
This also got my attention as fishy, for the same reasons. I'm not necessarily rarin' to vote for that reason just yet (seeing as I just commented on waiting and watching aboveFZ. wrote:Actually, your reaction seems more fishy than his. I find that baddies like to vote early on, so they don't seem like bandwagoning. They find a small thing they can latch on to, and use it as a reason to vote. Granted, there are no really good reasons to vote on the first day, but I don't think I like the way you just jumped on him like that.Long Con wrote:I didn't read DH as specifically targeting you with that statement. You seem to me to be jumping to the defensive pretty quickly... especially since I didn't find your vote for MM particularly humourous or... antical?reywaS wrote:Can I assume since you responded with this 7 minutes after I voted for metalmarsh that this is directed at me? If it was directed at me, I must ask what makes it a humorous tactic? Why is it a humorous tactic as opposed to any legitimate attempt at playing the game?DharmaHelper wrote:Humorous antics are an often effective way to deflect suspicion in the early days of mafia games.
Anyways, that made you my best choice for a Day One vote. *votes reywaS*
), but it's certainly something to keep in mind.Made wrote:Misfits. Getting everyone on the civvie team convinced that killing me was in their best intrest (which it was) While predicting every mafia but 1 (glares at squid)?
Gg me.
