The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Epignosis had voted for me based on very little evidence(the steering of the thread) and that pinged me. He has exhibited civ behavior lately though, so Im neutral on him now.

Nerolunar

Am I exhibiting civilian behavior now?

Long Con wrote:Oh, I meant to also say: that's as far as I can get tonight, because it's approaching 4am here. My vote is staying on Nero. Good night!

Scotty wrote:I just did a read of Quin.

He's a cop.

Hey Quin, what is your opinion of sig? Straight up.

Turnip Head wrote:BR thoughts on sig Quin Enrique etc?

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

No on ever asks me how I feel about Scotty

Scotty how do you feel about Scotty?

finally someone asks! Holy cowlicks!
I think Scotty has big feet, if you know what I mean.

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Golden wrote:Also I would say it is also blatantly obvious why Matt has completely changed his view on me.

He's a cop?

Golden wrote:Also I would say it is also blatantly obvious why Matt has completely changed his view on me.

sig wrote:CFD = Chinese Fire Drill. You flood the thread with lots of talk and chaos and redirect the lynch onto someone completely unexpected. In every game until this one I've played either an egotistical civ started one and caused a mislynch or the mafia floods the thread with chaos and emotion causing people to focus away from their teammate. For example, in a recent game I was pegged as mafia from day 1 but, myself and one of my teammates were able to CFD and stop me from getting lynched for two additionally phases. This was done by painting a lurker to be scummy and then posting the same thing over and over until people switched. So that is what I feared was happening with yesterdays lynch.

Quin wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Spoiler: show

sig wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have finally finished reading. Jesus.

Taking the Lords name in vain, you should be lynched just for this.

sig wrote:Wow why Fuzz this makes no sense I think this is a baddie driven CFD to save a teammate, notice almost the same people are up for lynches today as yesterday? I stand by my theory that one was mafia and that we had some minor save last phase, I think we are seeing a much bigger save attempt this phase. With a mafia team thhis big a CFD is easy to pull off I think this is scum driven to save one of the three leading people. Most likely Ike or Epi.

Can someone give me any reason for the Fuzz lynch?

I also really dislike DDL switch and his reasons. I actually am agreeing with Llama about him what about a Dragon lycnh?

linki: DDL and Golden are my top two scum reads, either Ike or Epi are there partners. Possibly Wilgy as well.

While the "Wow why Fuzz this makes no sense" is the obvious thing people will take from this post, don't overlook that sig names five people- with thirty-three minutes in the lynch to go. We used to call that "throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks" back in the day. In addition, sig starts "agreeing" with llama about DDL.

sig, do you still agree with thellama73 about DDL? Why or why not?

I've still got a slight scum read on DDL mainly for Llama's points.I also didn't like his reasoning for switching wagons. I did name multiply people yes with good reasoning imo. I saw yesterday as an attempt to save Ika, Golden seemed scummy. I had already said one of the leading wagons was mafia that would have been Ika or you. Wilgy for reasons stated earlier. What is wrong with making multiply reads? I wasn't trying to redirect the CFD

sig wrote:I also find it very odd Golden doesn't want to lynch Ike a new player but suggested a CFD onto Serge another new player?

This isn't a big deal, but ika isn't a new player, and sig should know that.

This game was played eight months ago I didn't recall playing with Ika. This seems like a desperate attempt to try and refocus the discussion onto me.

sig wrote:The fact that the Gleam wagon exploded at the beginning of the phase with almost no explanation to being gone and another wagon popping up ijust as fast is insane. I bet Fuzz will flip civ, you'll attempt to lead a Gleam lynch tomorrow and they will flip civ. I know firmly believe one of the other two front runners is a cop.

This post oozes with desperation and fear-mongering. I wish I could see what the vote tallies looked like at the time of this post. I don't understand sig's thought process, but if sig is bad, I would argue that agleaminranks is good, because sig would know Fuzz wouldn't flip civilian.

Can you explain this I don't understand? I said if Fuzz flips civ then Gleam would be wagoned tomorrow and would the be civ. My thought process was simply. We had so many people vote Gleam for no good reason, his wagon exploded. Then it lost all its votes and was replaced by Fuzz. Could you explain your theory about Gleam being good if I'm bad?

I'm not going to go through all of sig's posts that are all railing against the wave of votes that came in out of nowhere for Fuzz. Here's my question: Is there a precedent for sig urging desperately against someone's lynch in the early stage of a game?

Sometimes I will, I recently did this more or less in Llama's game and it got me lynched. II think it has happened a few times, the reason I was so vocal this game was because I believed we where being redirected and pushed by the mafia.

Golden wrote: I stand up for sig when he is town, all the time. You know this about me. Everyone does. I'm pretty good at seeing sig slips and seeing the reasons people are after him are dumb.

He made no slip here. He didn't post a word that was misinterpreted. People weren't taking him the wrong way. No - he opposed the CFD, and voted to break the tie and save Fuzz.

I do not believe this sig is town for a second.

Yep. I want to say I've even defended sig when he was bad and I wasn't.

That is true, however you also voted agaisnt me in The Syndicate game, when I voted with the last mafia player when I was indeed a civ. So I'd say you have defended me, but also voted agaisnt me when I made voting errors in the past.
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If I'm popped tonight, my top three are sig, Quin, and Nerolunar.

I'm not making a desperate attempt to refocus the discussion onto you. "Refocusing" assumes that the focus has gone away from you. It hasn't. You have two votes out of the gate. You desperately attempted to refocus discussion away from Fuzz. That is why you are the focus now.

My reasoning about gleam being good hinges on you being bad. If you are bad, I would argue that gleam is good. If you are a cop, then you knew Fuzz would not show up good, and you used gleam as a reason people shouldn't vote Fuzz. It's convoluted and based on assumptions about what people would do, which sounds like you were clutching at straws.

Nerolunar wrote:@ Epignosis

What exactly is your case against me? I only remember you mentioning me steering the thread earlier which you didn´t follow up on, but does it go beyond that? Explain to me why you find me suspicious.

I don't have a case against you. Yet.

So we've had a night phase. What fresh information do we have? Do you still want to lynch me?

Hm, Im not sure. You seem more civ now than before, but your weird behavior with avoiding wagons and such are still questionable. As for information, I don´t see any clear connection between the Wilgy kill and anyone.

I wish Black Rock and Llama would post more. They have been laying low for a while.

Im not opposed to a Quin lynch. Im happy you guys pointed out her weird behavior at EoD2. I didn´t notice that when I read through it.

@ DDL Can you point a finger at something that makes my post give off a weird vibe? I will try to answer as well as possible

I'm catching up.

Well I'm here, I don't agree with a Golden lynch. I don't think he's a cop, unless he's completely fooled me. So I think you guys should stop voting for him. It makes me suspect you.

Why do you think he is not a cop?

sig wrote:I find people who justify a lynch by saying we will get info is generally bad.

Golden wrote:@sliverwolf - I'm not pushing easy lynches. LC might be easy, but I'm against lynching him. Whats more, look how friggin hard it is even with me being as loud as I am, I'm still just as on the block.

I'm pushing common sense. Sig IS bad. There is just no doubt at all about that. He is 100% a cop. He made it incredibly, blatantly obvious during the cfd. I have no sympathy and no compunction in taking people down who are bad, and for all the talk of 'being careful', in the case of sig I just don't need to be careful. He's bad. It doesn't need any great analysis to demonstrate. Just read his posts and see his vote around end of day.

PS - if I was bad setting up a run of easy lynches this early in the game, it be guaranteed to backfire on me. Heck, it would probably backfire on me if I was wrong even once, especially given the amount of suspicion I've taken.

You'll never see mafia golden play like I'm playing this game. This is me in full supatown mode. I'm not sure I've been able to do this in years, but boy is it fun..

I'm not bad, I've never ever seen a CFD succeed, usually they are done by mafia to save teammates. I am town and was arguing against what I saw as a bad lynch. I'd had throughout the day expressed displeasure at the gleam wagon which just appeared imo with weak reasoning.

I also agree with Silver about her point on Golden. I do still believe he is mafia, however I'm less confident on Epi being scum.

Nerolunar wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Spoiler: show

sig wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have finally finished reading. Jesus.

Taking the Lords name in vain, you should be lynched just for this.

sig wrote:Wow why Fuzz this makes no sense I think this is a baddie driven CFD to save a teammate, notice almost the same people are up for lynches today as yesterday? I stand by my theory that one was mafia and that we had some minor save last phase, I think we are seeing a much bigger save attempt this phase. With a mafia team thhis big a CFD is easy to pull off I think this is scum driven to save one of the three leading people. Most likely Ike or Epi.

Can someone give me any reason for the Fuzz lynch?

I also really dislike DDL switch and his reasons. I actually am agreeing with Llama about him what about a Dragon lycnh?

linki: DDL and Golden are my top two scum reads, either Ike or Epi are there partners. Possibly Wilgy as well.

While the "Wow why Fuzz this makes no sense" is the obvious thing people will take from this post, don't overlook that sig names five people- with thirty-three minutes in the lynch to go. We used to call that "throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks" back in the day. In addition, sig starts "agreeing" with llama about DDL.

sig, do you still agree with thellama73 about DDL? Why or why not?

I've still got a slight scum read on DDL mainly for Llama's points.I also didn't like his reasoning for switching wagons. I did name multiply people yes with good reasoning imo. I saw yesterday as an attempt to save Ika, Golden seemed scummy. I had already said one of the leading wagons was mafia that would have been Ika or you. Wilgy for reasons stated earlier. What is wrong with making multiply reads? I wasn't trying to redirect the CFD

sig wrote:I also find it very odd Golden doesn't want to lynch Ike a new player but suggested a CFD onto Serge another new player?

This isn't a big deal, but ika isn't a new player, and sig should know that.

This game was played eight months ago I didn't recall playing with Ika. This seems like a desperate attempt to try and refocus the discussion onto me.

sig wrote:The fact that the Gleam wagon exploded at the beginning of the phase with almost no explanation to being gone and another wagon popping up ijust as fast is insane. I bet Fuzz will flip civ, you'll attempt to lead a Gleam lynch tomorrow and they will flip civ. I know firmly believe one of the other two front runners is a cop.

This post oozes with desperation and fear-mongering. I wish I could see what the vote tallies looked like at the time of this post. I don't understand sig's thought process, but if sig is bad, I would argue that agleaminranks is good, because sig would know Fuzz wouldn't flip civilian.

Can you explain this I don't understand? I said if Fuzz flips civ then Gleam would be wagoned tomorrow and would the be civ. My thought process was simply. We had so many people vote Gleam for no good reason, his wagon exploded. Then it lost all its votes and was replaced by Fuzz. Could you explain your theory about Gleam being good if I'm bad?

I'm not going to go through all of sig's posts that are all railing against the wave of votes that came in out of nowhere for Fuzz. Here's my question: Is there a precedent for sig urging desperately against someone's lynch in the early stage of a game?

Sometimes I will, I recently did this more or less in Llama's game and it got me lynched. II think it has happened a few times, the reason I was so vocal this game was because I believed we where being redirected and pushed by the mafia.

Golden wrote: I stand up for sig when he is town, all the time. You know this about me. Everyone does. I'm pretty good at seeing sig slips and seeing the reasons people are after him are dumb.

He made no slip here. He didn't post a word that was misinterpreted. People weren't taking him the wrong way. No - he opposed the CFD, and voted to break the tie and save Fuzz.

I do not believe this sig is town for a second.

Yep. I want to say I've even defended sig when he was bad and I wasn't.

That is true, however you also voted agaisnt me in The Syndicate game, when I voted with the last mafia player when I was indeed a civ. So I'd say you have defended me, but also voted agaisnt me when I made voting errors in the past.
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If I'm popped tonight, my top three are sig, Quin, and Nerolunar.

I'm not making a desperate attempt to refocus the discussion onto you. "Refocusing" assumes that the focus has gone away from you. It hasn't. You have two votes out of the gate. You desperately attempted to refocus discussion away from Fuzz. That is why you are the focus now.

My reasoning about gleam being good hinges on you being bad. If you are bad, I would argue that gleam is good. If you are a cop, then you knew Fuzz would not show up good, and you used gleam as a reason people shouldn't vote Fuzz. It's convoluted and based on assumptions about what people would do, which sounds like you were clutching at straws.

Nerolunar wrote:@ Epignosis

What exactly is your case against me? I only remember you mentioning me steering the thread earlier which you didn´t follow up on, but does it go beyond that? Explain to me why you find me suspicious.

I don't have a case against you. Yet.

So we've had a night phase. What fresh information do we have? Do you still want to lynch me?

Hm, Im not sure. You seem more civ now than before, but your weird behavior with avoiding wagons and such are still questionable. As for information, I don´t see any clear connection between the Wilgy kill and anyone.

I wish Black Rock and Llama would post more. They have been laying low for a while.

Im not opposed to a Quin lynch. Im happy you guys pointed out her weird behavior at EoD2. I didn´t notice that when I read through it.

@ DDL Can you point a finger at something that makes my post give off a weird vibe? I will try to answer as well as possible

Golden wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

sig wrote:I'm in no way mafia was I wrong about Fuzz yes. However, nobody had convinced me enough to prove he was guilty and I had already mentioned how I'd rather Ika be lynched then another player. At that time this player was gleam but all the gleam people switched to Fuzz.

Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14),RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29)

The most suspicious here is LC. I think the people more likely to be cops are Zebra/Epi, and Sloonie. I don't doubt there are a few on here however, I don't think there would have been a huge movement to save Fuzz if anything I think mafia members would jump in his wagon to gain civ credit espacilly when you have Golden saying nobody on the Fuzz wagon was mafia.

I think LC is the easy one to point a finger at and I disagree. I don't think he's the most suspicious and I also think that you are trying to fire up tomorrows lynch train.

Yeah. If sig was genuine, and not bad, and trying to solve it, I think his finger would be pointing at Enrique.

sig wrote:I'm in no way mafia was I wrong about Fuzz yes. However, nobody had convinced me enough to prove he was guilty and I had already mentioned how I'd rather Ika be lynched then another player. At that time this player was gleam but all the gleam people switched to Fuzz.

Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14),RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29)

The most suspicious here is LC. I think the people more likely to be cops are Zebra/Epi, and Sloonie. I don't doubt there are a few on here however, I don't think there would have been a huge movement to save Fuzz if anything I think mafia members would jump in his wagon to gain civ credit espacilly when you have Golden saying nobody on the Fuzz wagon was mafia.

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Just remember, it is very possible to be town and wrong so I'm not going to automatically assume sig and Quin are Fuzz's scum mates.

Those on the Fuzz lynch look good but bussing is a thing that happens and it doesn't necessarily mean everyone on that wagon was town.

I've seen two scum wagons pop up like that together before in a game so I'm not going to assume the counterwagon to Fuzz was on town.

Anytime I've made assumptions like this before-those voting scum are town, those opposed to a scum lynch are their partners, or a counterwagon to scum must be town-I've been wrong in all situations at times. I've also been right before in those situations but I'd rather look at behavior overall to determine alignment rather than just wagon placement or behavior around a scum lynch or counterwagons-etc.

Meh'll go with my gut, though.

LC's vote doesn't strike me as ingenuine. DDL's for Fuzz, does. Enrique's original vote for Fuzz, that he suddenly backed off, feels like a distance vote gone wrong. Sig's entire behaviour around the lynch feels bad in every way, sloonei pointed some of it out.

I agree with you in principle. My opinion on who is bad and who is good lies not in who ended up voting where, but how they expressed themselves in the thread.

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I don't like that Epignosis has 3 votes. I don't like it one bit

Sloonei is supatowning, which means he's either one of our most valuable assets or an undercover cop Only time will tell I suppose. He defended his Nerolunar read really well, but I don't like that he's criticizing Epignosis for not agreeing with his read, as if Nero's civvieness is obvious.

I don't really know who I want to vote for. I'm not a fan of any of the major wagons but don't have strong baddie reads on anyone.

That's surprising. You usually have more going on by now.

Golden wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Both the gleam and ika wagons are highly suspicious/dubious.

Hey, based on where I'm up to I still think both Matt and Wilgy wagons could be worthwhile.

Turnip Head wrote:I don't like that Epignosis has 3 votes. I don't like it one bit

Sloonei is supatowning, which means he's either one of our most valuable assets or an undercover cop Only time will tell I suppose. He defended his Nerolunar read really well, but I don't like that he's criticizing Epignosis for not agreeing with his read, as if Nero's civvieness is obvious.

I don't really know who I want to vote for. I'm not a fan of any of the major wagons but don't have strong baddie reads on anyone.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.

Why me?

You don't seem as aggressive as usual. It's disconcerting.

People have been saying that about me for the past several months.

I would like to see some evidence for this. What recent mafia game did another player accuse you of being less aggressive?

Linki: Sloonei, I don't think you can use Rock and Bullwinkle as a reference point since it's still an ongoing game.

I really don't want to trudge through old games to find specific posts, but it's true.

There are multiple reasons I am not as aggressive as I was last year. In terms of time, I've been hosting for six months. I also have a new profitable hobby in fantasy NBA, which takes a great deal of time and research to stay profitable.

In terms of Mafia, though, I started trying to dial back as far back as Death Note, when I was almost certain FZ. was bad and would not relent in hunting her down. It was a terrible blow when I realized how much time and effort I wasted contributing to my own loss. That made me begin to reevaluate my approach.

One big thing for me recently was Lost Again, in which I couldn't imagine Bullzeye being bad and argued against his lynch. S~V~S successfully got him lynched and won us the game. If I had my way, we would have Lost. Again.

Another major reason I'll just mention, without going into it, is that our site is becoming too confrontational for some people, and I'm trying to make a conscious effort to avoid contributing to that. I know I'm not the only one.

If I get lynched because I'm not being aggressive, oh well.

Silverwolf wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OK, ika stop buddying me now.

define buddying, last i recalled im smotheirng you with love and affection

Yes, I see that but I want to see more from you in game than just that. Buddying is when you are being affectionate and by doing so, making me subconsciously look elsewhere for suspicious activity, instead of looking right at you.

Are you distancing? This looks like distancing.

NO

ika wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OK, ika stop buddying me now.

I can barely tell you two apart.

define buddying, last i recalled im smotheirng you with love and affection

Yes, I see that but I want to see more from you in game than just that. Buddying is when you are being affectionate and by doing so, making me subconsciously look elsewhere for suspicious activity, instead of looking right at you.

Are you distancing? This looks like distancing.

lol

sig wrote:I don't like this huge bandwagon on gleam, espacilly since nobody has ever actually explained their suspicion of him, or if they have I don't remember it.

I've got a slight mafia gut read on Wilgy.

Also I find it odd how quite Zebra/LC seem to be this game.

Sloonei wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Sloonei wrote:This is me making a Mafia post from the top of the CN Tower, for some reason.

What you doing there?

My girlfriend is a real authentic Canadian lady, and I'm visiting her for her birthday this week. She has been trying to drag me up there for a long time despite my very silly fear of heights. Yesterday that finally happened. I've had time to get caught up on everything this morning because, as an authentic lady, she spends over an hour getting herself ready in the morning.

DrWilgy wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Enrique wrote:DrWilgy

Or this we can discuss this.

I can't control oink what the don does, but if I can hinder what the cops do I would like to.

An alternative I thought of, we could all vote everyone just one by one activating both the traitors right away and dispose of that hindrance. I don't know how much the hosts would like that though. I don't think that I'd like to see a role design like that go to waste if I were the hosts.

That little pink part you see there. I don't maybe fully understand. I read the Traitor and I get that but do you mean hiding the Don within the votes therefore protecting him from the cops?

Don doesn't want to activate traitor yes? meaning they won't vote very much yes? we shouldn't allow the cops to watch who's voting alot and who's voting alittle and pick between them.

Also, if the traitor does activate, he will know who the opposing don is, making potential easy killing for the rival teams here. I say in order to weaken potential traitors we work together and at least try to assign two to a vote. This is not always possible I understand, but I think it's best we all fully understand how much voting affects our teams in this game.

DrWilgy wrote:

Enrique wrote:DrWilgy

Or this we can discuss this.

I can't control oink what the don does, but if I can hinder what the cops do I would like to.

An alternative I thought of, we could all vote everyone just one by one activating both the traitors right away and dispose of that hindrance. I don't know how much the hosts would like that though. I don't think that I'd like to see a role design like that go to waste if I were the hosts.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I want to emphasize that votes must be cast in the poll to count at a minimum, but please also bold and underline all votes you cast and alter throughout the game. Otherwise, it makes it very difficult for us and your fellow players to track them.

Thanks!

What happens if I forget?

Refer to the Gameplay post point #4 as follows:

MovingPictures07 wrote:4. All votes must be cast in the poll to count. It is considered standard and good form to post at the time of your vote and indicate your vote with bold/underline. Your hosts would very much appreciate that you do this, so please do so, but it is not necessary for your vote to count.

Hope that answers your question. We would really appreciate it if you all bold/underline all votes, or at least post your votes, but we're not requiring it for tally purposes.

Sloonei wrote:This is me making a Mafia post from the top of the CN Tower, for some reason.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I want to emphasize that votes must be cast in the poll to count at a minimum, but please also bold and underline all votes you cast and alter throughout the game. Otherwise, it makes it very difficult for us and your fellow players to track them.

Thanks!