The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote:6.45am. New years day. I have a headache.

You suck Matt.

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:Canuck would obviously marry me.

I'm closer, geographically.

If that was her reason, she'd be wed to me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:Canuck would obviously marry me.

I'm closer, geographically.

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:
You are the one who has colour coded them. You must have feelings about them. How bout you share those feelings hmm?

I do have feelings about them, but many of the players I feel least confident about, as well as those I have the least substantive reads on, are in those groups.

I expressed feelings regarding these reads in previous posts and rainbow lists, particularly Night 3.

I don't have adequate time at the moment to hash over them (going to bed, in fact), but I'll gladly clarify as much as I can when I have more time.

What do you think, Mac?

You don't wanna know what I think.

Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, I do. After yesterday's slow crawl I want to see whatever controversial thoughts you have to offer.

I think MP and Golden are on the Empire team.

Elohcin wrote:I'm shocked. I really thought Enri was good. I am really off this game.

DharmaHelper wrote:Yay more missed votes

DharmaHelper wrote:Just ONE entry in my contest so far. And let me tell you, it is not a winning entry. 15 credits just waiting for someone to go get 'em

DrWilgy wrote:Question... Are Poison rules standard? if so, what exactly are they?

a2thezebra wrote:

Enrique wrote:I honestly DO NOT get it.

I honestly do not believe that you don't.

sig wrote: Black Rock

Do you still think Enrique is scum, if so why?

She has a good amount of posts, but nothing that sticks out as scummy/civvie, this makes me slightly wary of her.
She does bring up an interesting point about Sorsha, Bk what is your current read on Sorsha? Do you have anything else besides your post about her for why she might be bad?
Also what do you think of the Zebra voters and would you vote for Zebra yourself why or why not?

Black Rock Null

I'll continue this later, out of these I haven't read anything that really stick out. I will do a more detailed read over of Enrique, but I won't be voting for Zebra today and would place my vote to save her. For the time I've gotta go, but I'll be back this afternoon.

linki: I think the planet could explode either Day.

Enrique wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I am voting for Elohcin. I don't feel like her vote for zebra is genuine.

:P

Perhaps you are zebra's teammate.

For real though...Zebra's tone just isn't of her normal civ self imo. Could I be wrong, sure. But I think Bass and Enri both have a good chance of being civ. So I didn't want to place my vote on either.

As far as I know I'm not on zebras team, I'm a part of the rebel alliance so if she is too then yes, we are teammates.

Now, yes. This is an LD verifiable statement. But... it's definitely weird, right? Like, I don't feel it was asked for or anything. Just a random "hey look how civvie I am!" and then that's that.

Bubbles wrote:voting zebra for voting bass, and because i don't think enrique is bad from his tone. and i don't want to miss another vote so that's why i'm posting now!

Sorsha wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I am voting for Elohcin. I don't feel like her vote for zebra is genuine.

:P

Perhaps you are zebra's teammate.

For real though...Zebra's tone just isn't of her normal civ self imo. Could I be wrong, sure. But I think Bass and Enri both have a good chance of being civ. So I didn't want to place my vote on either.

As far as I know I'm not on zebras team, I'm a part of the rebel alliance so if she is too then yes, we are teammates.

So what changed for you between day one and day two? Because on day one you voted for Enrique but now you think he is civ? That's why I voted you btw, your change with no explanation and your vote out of the blue with no explanation.

Can you quote posts of zebra's that are showing her non civvie tone? I'm not trying to defend her but like bass, it seems like zebra is quite easy to lynch at times as well.... Or at least gets herself into trouble early.

Golden wrote:

Black Rock wrote:So Canuck and Golden, what am I missing?

Possibly, the correct identity of who I'm defending.

Canucklehead wrote:For the record, I'm actually seeing a little bit of anger-monotony going on in Roxy's interactions with Z, which means I have a bit of an eye on her. There's not enough there yet to really push me one way or the other, but I am paying attention to that dynamic.

Canucklehead wrote:So I'm more or less caught up, in a Canuckleheadian sense of being "caught up" (i.e. I've lightly skimmed the many pages I missed, but read fairly thoroughly the last page or two).
I get that zebra is a "poke the cat and consider the bites you get in response" kind of player, so that is no doubt a reason for her going hard at Enrique, but reading his responses is not making me think he's bad at all. Super townie vibes there for me.

Golden wrote:I thought we had lynched Matt F, but I think Enrique is his ghost!

I think Enrique is sincere and I'm not really as suspicious of him any more as I was yesterday. I think his responses have made sense and seemed genuine. However, I'm not going to entertain this notion of the dots he has put together at all. Enrique, you may believe it all you like, but I don't think you are right about it.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Nice to lynch a killer. From the hosts perspective I bet they're sad to lose such a fun role day 1.

Enrique wrote:MP, I think it was a combination of the copious spoiler tags, quotes, and colored responses. All I know is that last night I found it impossible to read. I don't usually have that problem so maybe it was all on my end, but man I am not kidding it made my head hurt.

I think Matt denying any Death Star intel is just him backpedaling. I mean, seriously, nobody was ever gonna forget how badly he pushed for it.

Let me explain the Russ thing to you (I sort of already did but this is more to the point): his idea to vote for Tattooine to find out Jabba's plans sounds absolutely insane and like total bullshit, like a really poorly thought excuse to justify his vote. Knowing Tattooine is a base for everyone but the civvies, you choose to go there? Even Death Star voters didn't try to validate their vote with "we can find some stuff out," it just strikes me as complete nonsense reasoning.

I specifically had some issues with your responses to Mac (I might get to that later, can't remember specifics), your reluctance to understand what's wrong with Russ, and mostly I was annoyed that post was so much trouble for practically nothing I could agree with. Maybe it's a playstyle thing. Maybe we have different perspectives based on in-game factors. I have no clue, but the point is, we're not currently on the same wavelength. It's something I find happens a lot before my instincts really kick in. I'm more inclined to trust some people over others (I don't think I've EVER thought of Canuck as a baddie. I kept telling my team in Monty Python she was the last civvie. I'm still not over that betrayal of trust).

MP, BR, and Dom (I'm still waiting for him to throw his hat in this one ) are players that I remember having trouble seeing eye to eye with in my last few games. They absolutely got me in Dr. Who (probably my worst mafia performance ever tbh), but even then it just seemed like a rehash of Monty Python.

Enrique wrote:Also, Black Rock. I remember a huuuge deal being made out my defending myself in Monty Python, where yes I did flip bad, but let me remind you that I was a converted baddie for a grand total of one day phase before I got killed (that was the worst tbh, my role had extra lives and people actually tried to night kill me at every opportunity!)

I'm gonna vote for Russ. Nothing he has said in the thread has read to me as anything but scum-minded.

linki- Golden v Mac v Zebra looks like a civvie free-for-all to me. I think a link could possibly be drawn between you and Russ (I don't care for all the WIFOM in your weak pursuit of him and his sarcastic "distancing" comment), but yeah that's not very convincing.

Brian looks good to me as well. Matt is a dirty dirty liar and he should come clean. That's off the top of my head right now. Most everyone I know is acting like their normal selves.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Enrique

I am so done with these after finishing Matt's ISO. But nevertheless, I must move forward!

Enrique wrote:I think Tattooine, in the worst case scenario, would favor the Independents. Do we know what their win conditions are yet?

Sooooo this is a horse that's been beaten to death already. I have nothing to say about it that hasn't already been said, so I'll just say again that I am not convinced by Enrique's most recent responses attempting to explain his position with this. In fact, I actually wasn't that pinged by it until he explained it, because his explanation came off as fake. But I'll get to that in a bit.

Enrique wrote:thats like the biggest nonstory ive seen presented as a case on mafia

tbh i had no idea what "Yavin" was until i read the descriptions, at which point it was a bit of a no-brainer. like really? the place is literally the civvie base where the civvies do cool things in the movies. i DID consider my options (tattooine, endor) up until i found out about yavin. but then when it looked so good, surely i was missing something that kept people away from it? nobody gave it any consideration so i just put it down to lack of familiarity and went ahead and voted.

like i dont even understand what the baddie logic behind anything there would be.

From this point almost 24 hours ago all the way to now, Enrique has been doing nothing but explaining himself and re-explaining himself and being defensive and being over-defensive. It just looks really bad. Maybe when he starts talking about something other than other people's thoughts on him I'll be more comfortable with his alignment, but as of right now, GTH, based on his ISO I would say he looks like:

SCUM

I actually agree with this read though. Some of his early posts have reminded me of his baddie game.

Black Rock, can you elaborate upon this in any way? What is it that specifically reminds you of his baddie game; can you provide certain adjectives or qualities that his posts share here with his 'baddie game' versus what you associate with his civilian game?

Enrique wrote:i mean, im replying. honestly i havent been putting enough energy into this game and i have very little idea of whats going on outside of mac building a narrative out of all my posts.

i disagree about there being any nervousness or inconsistencies in my voting. i considered some options, found one that actually managed to look appealing, and went for it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I've got to tell you guys, I feel so far out of my depth right now. From my limited experience, what passes for evidence this early on in Mafia games is often little more than a combination of bravado and overactive imagination. All I can see is some particularly harsh accusations being thrown around by some VERY enthusiastic players. I have been around long enough not to mistake aggressiveness in these games with Mafia guilt so a couple of feuding prominent players (at this stage of the game) doesn't convince me that one is necessarily Mafia. From what I've read, Golden seems to make a lot of sense to me...

Like I said, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to follow you guys...

You're not wrong, Glorfindel, this is an unusually heated Day 1, and I haven't been able to follow along just yet either. I will have no access to Mafia again until after the poll ends, and I haven't been able to immerse myself in the ongoing saga here, so I'll just vote BR because she's busy hosting another game.

GTH evaluation of this post (and DFaraday in general):

What is it, folks? I'm curious.

a2thezebra wrote:Enrique

I am so done with these after finishing Matt's ISO. But nevertheless, I must move forward!

Enrique wrote:I think Tattooine, in the worst case scenario, would favor the Independents. Do we know what their win conditions are yet?

Sooooo this is a horse that's been beaten to death already. I have nothing to say about it that hasn't already been said, so I'll just say again that I am not convinced by Enrique's most recent responses attempting to explain his position with this. In fact, I actually wasn't that pinged by it until he explained it, because his explanation came off as fake. But I'll get to that in a bit.

Enrique wrote:thats like the biggest nonstory ive seen presented as a case on mafia

tbh i had no idea what "Yavin" was until i read the descriptions, at which point it was a bit of a no-brainer. like really? the place is literally the civvie base where the civvies do cool things in the movies. i DID consider my options (tattooine, endor) up until i found out about yavin. but then when it looked so good, surely i was missing something that kept people away from it? nobody gave it any consideration so i just put it down to lack of familiarity and went ahead and voted.

like i dont even understand what the baddie logic behind anything there would be.

From this point almost 24 hours ago all the way to now, Enrique has been doing nothing but explaining himself and re-explaining himself and being defensive and being over-defensive. It just looks really bad. Maybe when he starts talking about something other than other people's thoughts on him I'll be more comfortable with his alignment, but as of right now, GTH, based on his ISO I would say he looks like:

SCUM

bcornett24 wrote:

Golden wrote:gth in this context is gun to head not go to hell.

lol that is awesome

Golden wrote:gth in this context is gun to head not go to hell.

a2thezebra wrote: Black Rock

Black Rock wrote:I started page 10, so almost caught up. I have to pick up LC and then he'll take over the computer for that other game. I'll have to finish catch up later.

I do want to revisit this quote.

a2thezebra wrote:So if MM can get away with anything how are we supposed to catch him if he is scum? Again I ask, if his actions are meta-proof, what is his normal scum behavior?

Now that I'm not joking around, I went back to this point to continue my catch up and when I read it again, what are you asking here. Why are you pushing it so much?

So you're almost caught up right here (yet you haven't posted anything since) and the only thing you have to offer is a proposition of the idea that I was exaggerating how strange it is that everyone was letting MM's early vote slide when MM himself agrees with me and claims to have done that for the purpose of gauging reactions? Wow. GTH right now I think you are:

SCUM

(yet you haven't posted anything since)

I have to pick up LC and then he'll take over the computer for that other game.

a2thezebra wrote:So if MM can get away with anything how are we supposed to catch him if he is scum? Again I ask, if his actions are meta-proof, what is his normal scum behavior?

a2thezebra wrote:So if MM can get away with anything how are we supposed to catch him if he is scum? Again I ask, if his actions are meta-proof, what is his normal scum behavior?

Golden wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Also has everyone forgotten that MM has already voted? Am I the only one that is extremely bothered by that? Even Mac doesn't seem to care.

It's hard to be bothered by MM's normal civilian behaviour.

Golden wrote:I just noticed this:

Grand Moff Tarkin
Grand Moff Tarkin has selected a location to destroy. The last person to vote in the lynch during that Day will explode with the planet.

So, this probably means that (in future polls??) one of the planets has been selected by the Moff to be destroyed at the end of the next day, and it could be any of them.