The Syndicate

LoRab wrote:I can't believe you forced me to vote The Master...he killed Buffy. You are cruel, cruel hosts.

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:This is why I hate the concept of GTH reads. People now use them as reasons to vote.

Your foolish hostess has no idea what "GTH reads" are; can someone enlighten me?

You just made me the happiest dead person. I thought someone told me to go to hell in one game.

thellama73 wrote:That BR vote just pisses me off though.

Sorry, I don't regret it at this time. If it matters, my vote didn't.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Well that's not the case I built at all but I guess it's a decent enough result.

If Epi and llama were both active then is there a reason to believe there are multiple baddie teams? I suppose the kill(s) tonight would be a decent indicator.

It was a good result. Now that I see Llamas and Epigs role I do believe they had to find each other to activate and they did. I'm pretty sure we removed an active kill from the game.

I'm starting to believe we might have one larger baddie team. That's just paranoid thoughts though, no evidence.

I'm going back and forth between catch up and staying current. I see Tranq actually posted a few times today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Catching up, first time I got to sit down. I ended up in bed sick last night.

Why llama?

Get well.

I am honestly trusting the thread at this point. I have several pages of catch up. I also did read a case on him earlier that made sense but I would have to go back and reference it. I literally just finished dinner, was fighting my three year old, and had my sister on the phone when I voted and posted. I did not want to miss the vote. Now I have her off the phone I can actually go back and finish reading.

Catching up, first time I got to sit down. I ended up in bed sick last night.

With all the position talk and poll options = positions I just want to say this is not recruitment and the hosts might just switch it up. Maybe it's a set schedule or the baddies get to choose the poll options and what means what. That's what I'd do, but it's not my game.

Also, I love the hosts took that piece from recruitment. I loved the positions. Even though they took the cowards way out.

Ricochet wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Oh no, that's a horrible night. Epignosis was actually my friend this game, and he wasn't being nice to me because he was bad and learned the secret to keeping BR off his back.

What do you mean?

About keeping me off his back?

about "my friend this game" and "learned the secret to" yeah that last part too.

Epignosis likes to suspect me, or kill me I find. He was nice to me, he believed in me. I often swoon to flattery.

Ricochet wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Oh no, that's a horrible night. Epignosis was actually my friend this game, and he wasn't being nice to me because he was bad and learned the secret to keeping BR off his back.

What do you mean?

About keeping me off his back?

Oh no, that's a horrible night. Epignosis was actually my friend this game, and he wasn't being nice to me because he was bad and learned the secret to keeping BR off his back.

RIP to all of you, all three of you will be missed.

Epignosis wrote:My limited experience with Lorab as bad is that she would far prefer to be saved than done in by her own team.

That is a true statement.

I am not caught up and I am interested to see how this lynch went down. I just came in to see the result and Fing Right! A beautiful result. My gut is happy I stuck with it, and so am I. My head was wavering there but my gut saw me through.

I really need to move on now. I hope this lynch will be helpful. I imagine with such a close lynch there must be something to go on when I catch up.

HamburgerBoy wrote:So did I.

Doms vote is easy and obvious. Yours is not, did I miss that suspicion?

LoRab wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I have put my vote on LoRab. Not to sound like a broken record or anything. I thought I might vote for JJJ but I found some of his more recent posts to be compelling and I am less sure he's a baddie. I work tomorrow before and during the deadline so I want to make sure I have a vote in just in case.

You continue to be wrong about me.

Time will tell.

I have put my vote on LoRab. Not to sound like a broken record or anything. I thought I might vote for JJJ but I found some of his more recent posts to be compelling and I am less sure he's a baddie. I work tomorrow before and during the deadline so I want to make sure I have a vote in just in case.

Golden wrote:Also, I'd still vote lorab. People called her lynch wagon as though jay was getting saved but I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the late jay voters were saving lorab.

Why did you vote MM over LoRab then?

Golden wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Golden wrote:I'd actually be ok seeing Sorsha or LoRab lynched.

So because I suspect you (weakly) for a reason you don't agree with?

Not really. Just that I'm not really getting a civ Sorsha vibe this game.

Of course, I'm not exactly known as being good at reading you.

Could you expand on this? If it's a gut thing I understand but I am interested in your view point regarding Sorsha.

I have exactly no opinion on her at his point but I am thinking of doing a read on her posts because you brought her up.

I would also like to add I don't like that second line. It's a little non-committal scum like. I might do a read on you as well. I just wish you didn't have so many damn posts.

Not really sorry because it's so gut based and while away I can't go back and read world reborn to compare or anything. I guess it's similar to why I don't think I can put into words why I trust you beyond saying this is the civ br I remember.

Linki it turned into three lol, the third one was less about why I think jay is civ but rather about the case others are making but it is true.

I'm not one to judge gut based suspicion. I was just wondering if there was more to it. I certainly can accept this.

Golden wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Golden, why do you feel so strongly about JJJ?

Two things

1) his emotive response scans with my experience of civ jay who doesn't feel he has proper time to defend himself. Without the time and ability to defend himself as he would like, he gets frustrated at the suspicion. I haven't seen baddie jay much at all, but I remember the mafia champs final he seemed to handle suspicion much more calmly.

2) I still don't see why he would have moved the lynch away from llama yesterday, if bad. He drew attention to himself while leading the lynch by making a case on boomslang, when he could have been less loud and stuck with an existing suspicion with llama. Sure, jay survived, but still...

3) perhaps I don't understand the case on jay, but I haven't seen anything particularly compelling about the case on him.

I could well be wrong, if so mea culpa. I just don't think I am.

Two things?

I was more sure about JJJ before then I am now.

Golden wrote:

Black Rock wrote:That's where you and me disagree. I think a lot of useful information can be had by reading the players and knowing the players. I also like to read the hosts. It's useful, not dumb.

I concur with this sentiment. It's a part of meta. And I agree hosts have hosting meta too. It's a useful tool to solve the game.

Thank you

DharmaHelper wrote:Dat Jace Hype tho.

There is always Jace hype.

Boomslang wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I did a search of Dom's entire post and have found only a dozen of posts in which the word suspish appears. He himself has used it only once before, in Star Wars.

I now believe Dom is in team with someone who is inadvertedly influencing his word use during their private chatter.

Players who so far who used this word in this game are llama and LoRab.

I... kind of like this theory. It's just crazy enough to make sense, and I know I often find myself using the language of the group I'm talking with. Does this necessarily make him bad, though? I'm not pinged super hard either way. On the civ end, I like his pressure on Tranq and the way he's been skeptical of Mac throughout the game. On the mafia end, I don't like the way he's expressed support for off-wagon candidates and then circled back to the main wagon for all of the lynches thus far; feels just a touch too blendy.

GTH, I guess I'd say bad. The connection of "suspish" with Lorab, combined with his consistent but low levels of aggro toward her, could make the case for mafia teammates.

Or I could comment on this.

It sounded like a nice loaded thought. Then I shook my head and said "BR Suspish is far too common for this to be a thing" and moved on.

Once, every 3 months LC goes to work, comes home, and then goes to the MTG pre-release. Giving me the whole night all by myself with the computer. What happens? Every one goes to bed.

I guess I could read Golden or watch some TV.

Linki: Dom's still here... I could read him.

That's where you and me disagree. I think a lot of useful information can be had by reading the players and knowing the players. I also like to read the hosts. It's useful, not dumb.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well you're all losers.

FZ. is not Mafia because she replaced Elohcin.

Elohcin loves BTSC. She wouldn't quit if she had it. She'd be in there talking about...kids and bedspreads or some shit.

But the fact is she's out.

FZ. is a alone.

You're welcome.

Ah yes, FZ is good because Elohcin is your wife.

Hang on a tick, did anyone else get deja vu just now?

I think his opinion is valid. All though I can think of one instance where she did have BTSC and quit. So it's not fool proof.

It is a fine opinion. I would just prefer something remotely tangible or thread related.

Why?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well you're all losers.

FZ. is not Mafia because she replaced Elohcin.

Elohcin loves BTSC. She wouldn't quit if she had it. She'd be in there talking about...kids and bedspreads or some shit.

But the fact is she's out.

FZ. is a alone.

You're welcome.

Ah yes, FZ is good because Elohcin is your wife.

Hang on a tick, did anyone else get deja vu just now?

I think his opinion is valid. All though I can think of one instance where she did have BTSC and quit. So it's not fool proof.

Just quickly read Sorsha and I don't see anything suspicious in her posts.

I thought there would be something that might stick out since Golden said he wouldn't mind seeing her lynch but...

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well you're all losers.

FZ. is not Mafia because she replaced Elohcin.

Elohcin loves BTSC. She wouldn't quit if she had it. She'd be in there talking about...kids and bedspreads or some shit.

But the fact is she's out.

FZ. is a alone.

You're welcome.

I'd kick you in the ass if I were your wife.

It's true though.

So was what I said.

Golden wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Golden wrote:I'd actually be ok seeing Sorsha or LoRab lynched.

So because I suspect you (weakly) for a reason you don't agree with?

Not really. Just that I'm not really getting a civ Sorsha vibe this game.

Of course, I'm not exactly known as being good at reading you.

Could you expand on this? If it's a gut thing I understand but I am interested in your view point regarding Sorsha.

I have exactly no opinion on her at his point but I am thinking of doing a read on her posts because you brought her up.

I would also like to add I don't like that second line. It's a little non-committal scum like. I might do a read on you as well. I just wish you didn't have so many damn posts.

Epignosis wrote:Well you're all losers.

FZ. is not Mafia because she replaced Elohcin.

Elohcin loves BTSC. She wouldn't quit if she had it. She'd be in there talking about...kids and bedspreads or some shit.

But the fact is she's out.

FZ. is a alone.

You're welcome.

I'd kick you in the ass if I were your wife.

Not really.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Why to both of these assertions.

No, no. I want to see if someone can work out why. It's quite simple really.

And vacuums use an air pump, specifically a centrifugal fan, which enables them to suck.

Epi: If the rhubarb pie is green and square October has nine hats then FZ is my strongest town read.

Everyone Else: What.

Epi: Adverbs.

lol, my favourite post this game.

JJJ is starting to win me over. I'm getting worried that stubborn civs are going to lynch a civ. On page 78, he clearly sounds like an annoyed civ.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:FZ is my strongest town read.

Yeah juliets, I'll definitely expand. Long story short: his grasp of my meta is eroded, and he made many of the same points erroneously in Trees Mafia. I doubt he simply failed to learn his lesson.

Awesome! I can't imagine why FZ would be your strongest town read.

Black Rock wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I'm so behind. Life kicked my ass yesterday and I just got time to post this today.

I just wanted to say that I didn't miss the vote yesterday, I was unable to vote at all. I will do a big catch up after my three year old goes to bed, he's being a demanding... and is requiring I move away from the computer as I type this. Because he's being rude to mommy I think I will take my time.

Ok, so that's the late sig, Golden and BR being incapacitated so far - I don't remember Boomslang or LoRab having voted on 3.0 though. Is it possible to start correlating who might have wanted one less vote on the tally from these three players? Who do you think w/could have incapacitated you, BR?

I felt like the person who blocked my ability to vote was afraid I was going to vote for LoRab, I'm on the fence if it was a baddie power or a civvie one. I would have likely voted for JJ, but I'm not completely caught up so that may have changed.

So far from page 70-74, I am completely ok with a JJ lynch and would have for sure voted for him because it does look like a push for LoRab.

Not saying I don't suspect LoRab still. They are likely on two different teams.

I'm also ok with a Tranq lynch. I'm not going to give him a pass, by saying that's just Tranq. He's much more devious than that.

Golden, why do you feel so strongly about JJJ?

Ricochet wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I'm so behind. Life kicked my ass yesterday and I just got time to post this today.

I just wanted to say that I didn't miss the vote yesterday, I was unable to vote at all. I will do a big catch up after my three year old goes to bed, he's being a demanding... and is requiring I move away from the computer as I type this. Because he's being rude to mommy I think I will take my time.

Ok, so that's the late sig, Golden and BR being incapacitated so far - I don't remember Boomslang or LoRab having voted on 3.0 though. Is it possible to start correlating who might have wanted one less vote on the tally from these three players? Who do you think w/could have incapacitated you, BR?

I felt like the person who blocked my ability to vote was afraid I was going to vote for LoRab, I'm on the fence if it was a baddie power or a civvie one. I would have likely voted for JJ, but I'm not completely caught up so that may have changed.

I'm so behind. Life kicked my ass yesterday and I just got time to post this today.

I just wanted to say that I didn't miss the vote yesterday, I was unable to vote at all. I will do a big catch up after my three year old goes to bed, he's being a demanding... and is requiring I move away from the computer as I type this. Because he's being rude to mommy I think I will take my time.

You guys have had a busy little day haven't you. Just catching up now.

LoRab wrote:

Black Rock wrote:A question for LoRab before I go back and do what I said I would do... What do you think of HB defending you?

Just finished reading up. Will answer this before I go off to sleep. Will answer other things tomorrow. But this is a direct question and came at the end (I may have cut and copied a bunch of quotes to paste into a window to respond to during my read, and then forgot I did, and cut and pasted something else and lost that entire thing).

Quite honestly, I find it suspicious. I think your suspicion of me is misguided but honest. I believe that you honestly think that I'm bad--it's not like you to make that up. And you wouldn't do that against me. I think those points are BS. I know that you're wrong. But I think that it's coming from the right place. You may be bad, but your suspicion of me isn't evidence of that.

HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.

This post is the first post that made me feel better about you, not perfectly better but it does help me evaluate a few of my thoughts.

juliets wrote:OK, I finally got re-started though I'm disheartened on the BR iso. I'm doing the backhalf first because I just can't do that first half over again right now.

Here are the things BR said about Ricochet early in the game. Note these posts were interspersed with the posts about Lorab:

Spoiler: show

Black Rock wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

timmer wrote:Oh, and I picked Xander Crews. I hope if that role is in the game that whoever has it finds more luck than I did with it. I never found a single xticle or whatever the hell they were.

The only Xander voter so far. Either there's a reward for the top choice(s) and Timmer's trying to stay away from it, perhaps distance himself from teammates, or there's something to gain from every option and he's trying to get his share. Confirmed baddie.

Cute.

I was just thinking how I wasn't going to vote for you day one because of the banner you're sporting, I may have changed my mind.

Black Rock wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
Ricochet
DharmaHelper
MacDougall
thellama73

DharmaHelper

a2thezebra
bcornett24
Bass_the_Clever
Black Rock
Boomslang
dfaraday
DharmaHelper
Dom
Dr. Wilgy
Draconus
Elohcin
Epignosis
Golden
Hamburger Boy
JaggedJimmyJay
Juliets
Long Con
LoRab
Matt
Metalmarsh
nijuukyugou
RadicalFuzz
sig
Sorsha
Spacedaisy
Timmer
Tranq

How can you have one of these already? Can you explain your reasonings for rainbow list placements?

The nose knows.

By your list the game must be off balance.

Black Rock wrote:

Ricochet wrote:A current update of my rainbow list, hopefully less bloated and arbitrary this time.

Ricochet

DharmaHelper

MacDougall

thellama73

DharmaHelper

JaggedJimmyJay

Epignosis	a2thezebra	Hamburger Boy	Bass_the_Clever
Boomslang	bcornett24	Spacedaisy	Draconus
dfaraday	LoRab	Sorsha	nijuukyugou
Metalmarsh	Juliets	RadicalFuzz	Dom
sig	Matt	Tranq	Dr. Wilgy
Golden	Timmer	Elohcin

Black Rock

Long Con

DharmaHelper

Cute

Black Rock wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Black Rock wrote:What happened? I left off on page 8 and I just got back to page 20. Most of me does not want to read all of that.

In short: you're bad, three of your teamies have also been caught.

By me, the great Papryco.

Oh my, what is a girl to do.

That can be read in monotone.

Black Rock wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Golden wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:What I was looking for was more the specific instances of his behavior. I did see your early day 0 poll post concerning his dismissal-yet-concern over the results, so I'll acknowledge that as a reasonable point, especially since I'm not in a position to discuss previous roles on the Syndicate (except Xander I guess). That one aside, and that he's now apparently given up, what is so unfathomable? So he cherry-picked some stuff involving Zebra's day 0 meta, not great, but arguments with Zebra always end up long and impassioned. I don't see it as unfathomable that he might get caught up in some silly argument as a town player.

Rico is not making poor arguments.

He isn't making arguments at all.

He is merely spouting nonsense and being a distraction. He says he is trying to catch baddies, but he has put literally zero effort into it. Not one of his cases demonstrates any attempt at any critical thought. The only thing he is putting effort into is being a distraction.

I see no civ motivation for that, and despite all of your defences of rico, and saying you think my question is manipluative or whatever, you (and anyone else) still haven't actually been able to present any sensible objective civ theoretical motivation for that behaviour.

In all seriousness, I'm beginning to be sorrowed by your willignness to put me down for the same reason you were lynched in Recruitement so badly - playing the game your way, to the best of your powers, with full confidence in being on the right path of exposing baddies. That's, frankly, what's unfathomable.

You can't understand where everyone is coming from? Maybe my opinion is shaded by knowing what alignment my role is, but it seems like you're just randomly accusing people and sometimes making statements that seem jokey and based on nothing. I don't see where you are catching baddies to the best of your ability, I see most (not all) of your posts more of a distraction. If you aren't a baddie you just made yourself an easy vote target that baddies can hide behind. In that case you just wasted a whole day of baddie hunting.

[quote="Back Rock]Now that I have quoted the post deleted the twirls and previewed it I can be satisfied.

Interesting back and forth between Rico and LoRab.

I haven't read the 11 pages before page 20, and I won't be unless I think I missed something important. Ricos posts don't count.

My opinion is all though Rico has been distracting and posting a lot of crap (all the way up to page 8) I don't find him that suspicious. Would he really want that much attention? I was thinking he had a neutral role, if those exist in this game.

He did have a point about LoRabs original post. Seemed easy and even her Matt points were wishy washy at best. Not the best example of LoRabs mafia play. Is she bad? or just not that into it?

Black Rock wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm voting for you because you're using your post count to control the direction of the thread, and you're using your attitude as an excuse for any suspicious things you might happen to say. Your wrap-up post above seems like a genuine effort, but in the greater context of your ISO it can't be trusted as genuine. And your gimmick seems to have even fooled some of the players. Black Rock for instance made the point that as a baddie you wouldn't have a decent reason to call so much attention to yourself. I know the reason. To get as many people as possible to think just that, that you wouldn't be so "reckless" as a baddie to perform the way you have. I'm not perfect but I like to think I'm pretty decent at being able to tell the difference between civ WIFOM and mafia WIFOM, and you reek of the latter.

I was trying to stay out of the WIFOM of it all, your point is valid and maybe I shouldn't just chalk it up to crap non-baddie behaviour. He does make me want to vote him for his crap posts.

[/spoiler]

I'll stop here for a minute just to say it appears BR didn't take Ricochet seriously from the beginning. She didn't change her opinion of him and didn't vote him (she voted Lorab of course). Her reactions to him appear normal to me. This section does not include all her responses to Rico but is a good sampling.

Here BR expresses what I would call a ping against Sorsha. I don't know what to think of this - I include it in case anyone else sees it as important:
I believe BR was the first to sniff that something was up with zebra's talk of cursers: It is true that I can't find a time when BR went back and addressed Lorab's answers. I haven't compared BR's case to Epi and Sorsha - maybe BR could tell us whether she was bouncing off of their cases. True BR's comments about people have been mostly limited to Lorab and Rico though she did at least make comments about others (Tranq, zebra, JJJ though I'm not sure she asked questions of them prior to HB's list). To me the most compelling of these items is she didn't address Lorab's responses so that gives me another ping.
In this quote BR indicates that she agrees with Long Con about zebra cursing a member of her own team JJJ. I don't agree with this opinion of LC's which gives me a slight ping about BR but I also know two civs can disagree with each other on someones guilt.

This is the next quote on the subject. I believe she is talking to JJJ:
And then: I personally have not seen BR defending her husband that I can remember. I tend to think she is genuine in believing his point about JJJ.

BR's thoughts on Tranq: "Tranqs behaviour is starting to give me uncomfortable tingles. When Tranq plays a game he invests himself. If he's not investing in the thread it makes me think he's invested in BTSC." From playing with Tranq i know this is true and I too am having some doubts about him.

BR Question to Hamburger Boy: "Do you have a stake in LoRabs survival? Are you absolutely sure she won't flip bad? I'm not, in fact I think she will flip mafia. I am interested in other avenues though, like JJJ and Tranq. What avenues do you want us to explore?" Just shows how she is thinking recently.


Thats the back half of BR's Iso. Though I had two pings one was small and I don't feel like there is enough there for me to vote for her. I could not include every quote but i don't think I left out anything significant. Her latest suspicions I agree with one (Tranq) but disagree with the other (JJJ). I decided back before the first vote that Lorab sounded sincere to me when she answered the questions asked of her so I don't agree with BR there either. After a short rest I will do the front half of this iso that includes all the Lorab stuff.[/quote]

First point, I do not have a ping against Sorsha. I was just making a point. I have not read any posts of Sorshas that have made me suspicious of her.

With that said as my first point I am not going to address anything about Rico beyond this... I fully admitted that I got caught up and distracted by Rico. I should have known better. Most of my resposes to him were sarcastic and not meaningful.


I think I already addressed the LoRab stuff.

I'm glad you can see the Tranq thing. I was surprised at Sorshas response to it.

Juliets? Do you not think a baddie curser would target a teammate (especially early in the game) to try and distance, maybe try and frame a different player?

I don't feel there was much for me to address here. It seemed more before I started.

Linki: Bea I am so sad for you. I hope things get better. Honestly I think you should move forward from here and then check back on specific things as needed.

A question for LoRab before I go back and do what I said I would do... What do you think of HB defending you?

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote: I once was so committed to Mafia that I even voted while in labour for my second born child?

I delivered our third child at home.

I would be too afraid, I need a doctor to kick.

MacDougall wrote:BR I don't remember you being so committed in the previous games we played together. You on holidays or something?

I've been busy since June, January - April are my quiet months. I've been a pretty crappy player as of late. I joined this game promising myself I would get back to the true Mafia BR! At least for a game. There is folklore that surrounds that Black Rock that I feel I haven't been living up to. I once was so committed to Mafia that I even voted while in labour for my second born child?

Linki: ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Ok, I have basically caught up.A quick answer to Juliets and HB.

I did not respond to LoRabs responses to her suspicion because I saw no point. She took her time, made her excuses, and as far as I am concerned, carefully crafted her response so it was 'just perfect'. The fact that she was under suspicion because of her wording means she was careful to try and debunk that theory. LoRab is not a player to be underestimated. She is smart. She is crafty. She is a damn good mafia player. She is also one that is hard for the masses to suspect because of that. Mostly I am running on gut. If I were a baddie trying to take down LoRab for no good reason, I would have dropped it after it didn't work. LoRab is a personal friend of mine and I won't go after her unless she twists my gut (except for the brief period I always thought she was bad). I also have played with her for 7 years and know for a damn fact she is not an easy target to get lynched. This is not baddie BR trying to take out an easy target. This is BR acting on her gut. When I act on my gut I cannot give you the proper reasons, the reasons some of you need to make sense of all. I have not built a case because there will be no good case to build. LoRab was accused early and she will be careful.

Could I be wrong? Damn right I could. I didn't role check her and I can't know with certainty. Am I questioning myself? Yes, because I am starting to wonder is HB has information I do not. If HB does not tell me he knows without a doubt she is civ then I will not trust LoRab this game.

I will go back and address any other concerns juliets and HB have.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I don't really have an opinion on Lorab at this point. I haven't found the case on her compelling. But I have noticed that sometimes when a person keeps getting almost-lynched and avoiding it, they turn out to be bad.

Sometimes < half the time ==> more often then not, players that almost get lynched multiple times in one game turn out to be civilian.

That's fair. I confess that I have no statistics to back up my observation.

I can't even remember things that accurately.

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If you have a problem with people showing up at the last minute, voting, and then fucking off somewhere else, you have a problem with the people showing up at the last minute, voting, and then fucking off somewhere else.

Yes, I do.

Considering LoRab was hardly even around for day 2, and that most of the case against her seems based on day 0 tone stuff, I think there are more interesting avenues to explore.

Do you have a stake in LoRabs survival? Are you absolutely sure she won't flip bad? I'm not, in fact I think she will flip mafia. I am interested in other avenues though, like JJJ and Tranq. What avenues do you want us to explore?

linki: We did! *high five*

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Ricochet wrote:Nice baddie you caught, Llama.

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Second Day in a row Tranq votes late and on the lynch train.

Fuzz missed his vote.

In addition, DH, Dom, Juliets, Mac, Blooper are also 2/2 on mislynches now.

Discuss.

Tranqs behaviour is starting to give me uncomfortable tingles. When Tranq plays a game he invests himself. If he's not investing in the thread it makes me think he's invested in BTSC.

This is how he was in AWR in the beginning too. He picks up his participation later in the game. This is a bit strange from you since you hosted that game and would know that!

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And obviously zombies, duh

I'm going by my hosting. When he's in BTSC he is less involved in the thread. I also took a major back seat in AWR and didn't read the thread half way through the game.

I voted zombie outbreak. I've been waiting for the zombie apocalypse my whole life. We have a plan, right LC? I think part of his plan is to ditch me and the kids and survive on his own.