The Syndicate

fingersplints wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:By the way, your welcome TH (and SVS) for stating in thread what my item was and that it was Oriental.

Though it seems you may have figured it out anyway with the book.
people keep suggesting in threads which items might be celestial but we knew what we needed the whole time. We had gotten most of them in the start poll, and then we robbed BR (I think?) night 1 to get another.

Robbed and killed night 1, what a sad day for a sweet lady.

Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote:Eloh must have stolen my arrow.
I got it for voting Eloh.

I got it for killing you.

Also you lied, you had two items.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Even though i knew you were bad, it really was like kicking a kitten.
What is voting for me like?
I can't believe players fell for your bullshit case on me on Day 2.

I didn't do myself any favors, sure, but whatever.

I would have never believed it. I was sad to see you lynched.

juliets wrote:BR, btw you played a very good game in my opinion. I never once even thought twice about you, I was sure you were civ. It was so hard to accept in the end that you were bad. Great job!

Thank you. I was proud of my game play this game. I had no suspicions on me until the end. That has never happened to me.

Turnip Head wrote:See BR, if you had never killed me then you would never have gotten ANY items, and Dom never would have caught on!

Mental Note: Killing TH begins a downward spiral. Don't do it again.

S~V~S wrote:Even though i knew you were bad, it really was like kicking a kitten.

I thought I was doing really well. I was mostly truthful with Ear Tube info. I mean you guys did sound like baddies trying to string up Bullz and Dom.

SVS it was you discussing dogs then?

Also I was telling the truth about not having an item for most of the game. I didn't get an item until I killed LC (which I will NEVER hear the end of). I think it's the first time I killed him and he was not happy with me at all.

Epig had me convinced that we couldn't work together. He was our leader *points finger*.

Dom wrote:Good game everyone! I had fun and am a bit peeved that I didn't win. But alas--- I played my hand with BR too early. Though, given the writing on the wall, maybe she could have let me live.

I knew Zomba had the vault because I checked her. I also checked BR and discovered that she had the safe. Since splints never got it after she died-- I knew BR had to be bad. I tried to create a case out of this, and I'm sorry if I sucked at it BR. I also was told she had more than one item NOT in the safe.

Thx to hosts and players. I had a wonderful time.

I had the safe? Well that was one item I forgot about. I killed you because you were calling me a liar and your case was not a case. You upset me. :P I was going to die anyways, you might as well waited until after. I probably would have killed you anyways because it was between you and SVS and I didn't want to kill SVS. I was feeling too guilty at the time to kill her. I'm not a baddie at heart.

thellama73 wrote:Here are some of the things I expected to happen, that didn't happen.

1. I expected the player with the Reed Bardeen role to play a more audacious game and try to take a few votes. In hindsight, ten was probably too many, I should have made it lower, but I think in the hands of an Epignosis, a Turnip Head, or even a Vompatti, that role could have been dangerous.

2. I expected people to try to vote earlier to get items, and I expected people to try to deduce the Celestials by who was voting early. I guess the obviousness of the Celestials pre-empted that though. Casimir Jech was able to get a lot of benefits by trading items, but Rabbit spent most of the game without one. He never voted first to try to get one.

Sorry for not playing the role right. I did not want heat at all. I was fine being vanilla. 10 was a scary number without getting lynched.

Epignosis wrote:By the way, in case it wasn't said, the Millionaire needed to take ten votes to have a vote increase of one.

That's why I was Vanilla.

fingersplints wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I targeted TH night one, that would have set up a nice little BTSC group for me.
We so desperately wanted your role to target us. SVS spent a lot of the time asking for you to

I was so sad to lose that role. It was the first time I had a role like that. I was so excited. I even begged Llama to rez me. When I replaced in I asked to keep my old role. My new role was vanilla baddie.

linki Splints: I didn't want to kill SVS
Linki Epig: I owe you one. :P

Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Yeah Epi but you guys took out more Celestials than baddies that had been lynched at the time. Forward-thinking baddies would have prioritized their kills We were being obvious, but that was the point. You could have avoided us and taken out more useful targets, and only killed Celestials if you needed to.
We were prioritizing.

fingersplints wrote:yay civvies ^-^

I couldn't have thought up a better group of circus people if I tried. hugs:

linki - I'm not sure why the celestials 'naturally' became your next target. We were doing more harm then good and you guys could have won with us. Had you stopped after killing Golden this would have been a very different game and you guys probably would have won.
I never had BR down as Oliver Oliver and til the end thought that role was alive so I don't think that was that obvious either.
Day 1, Black Rock 1.0 made a post that hinted that Zombarella wasn't Oliver Oliver. Bingo. Bang.

Turnip Head wrote:I want to stress the fact that I had an awesome time this game. Thanks for the fun, Llama, and all my celestial loser friends
This very much. Though I was dismayed at the outcome, I had a lot of fun. Thank you host.

Like I said, I was not hinting that I just wanted people to see she was bad. You didn't have to kill me night one.

Turnip Head wrote:I wanted to see the look on the baddies'' faces every time they killed a Celestial and didn't a single item Until they killed me and got like 10 of them, lol.

How did you have them all?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:the one where you had to compliment epi.

That was hilarious. Must have been real hard for her to come up with compliments. :P

S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:It turned a large BTS group AGAINST you.
It turned one angry mama bear against us.
No, I was the mouthpiece. Almost every post I made was discussed at length. I was an angry momma bear, but I was channeling my dead cubs.

We did not actively try to lynch any of you until you killed TH. Before that, we actively tried to NOT lynch Epi, for instance. Zomba, too.

Linki @Bass~ I thought Eloh or Dom sent that. I had fun with that since due to also being silenced, I could ONLY post that. I liked Llamas approach to multi targeting this game, and will adopt it myself in future games.

I wish I had of seen that earlier. It wasn't until late game I thought of it as a possibility. By then it was too late. We almost didn't kill TH that night. He said something I forget that was freaking me out.

fingersplints wrote:yay civvies ^-^

I couldn't have thought up a better group of circus people if I tried. hugs:

linki - I'm not sure why the celestials 'naturally' became your next target. We were doing more harm then good and you guys could have won with us. Had you stopped after killing Golden this would have been a very different game and you guys probably would have won.
I never had BR down as Oliver Oliver and til the end thought that role was alive so I don't think that was that obvious either.

Thank you Splint, I didn't think it was obvious either. I was just trying to get Zomba lynched for being such an obvious baddie. Got me killed night one though. I found it so hard to get back into the game as a baddie. I stayed on Zomba.

Great game. I did have lots of fun.

Little awkward when I came into BTSC to face my killers.

I targeted TH night one, that would have set up a nice little BTSC group for me.

I told you I had not put anything out about it since the first one I jumped on was untrue. Concerning the recruit, maybe the baddies decided to put that in BTSC so I would get it. Who knows. It also said the recruit was lynched. I am not allowed to put it in the thread word for word. Pay attention to the quotation marks. I am releasing it the best I can.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Thank you so much BR.... I really wish it made more sense but you did an amazing job.

It makes no sense at all. Especially the second one. I don't think the host wants to give out real info and it's designed that way.

juliets wrote:The first thing makes sense. Did they say the name of the recruit? I've wondered about a recruit ever since that info about someone being related (twins I think) came out.

I got no names.

I can't post the content but the gist.

First one was talking about how as long as SVS doesn't turn on the person "we have a chance." The second person mentioned a recruit being lynched.

The second one doesn't even make sense. They talk about dogs. "A porpose staring at an ape, nothing". It was some sort of article "staring into a dogs eyes produces serotonin"

I have no idea what to make of this and I refuse to jump to conclusions again.

S~V~S wrote:To clarify, I don;t think that what you got re the crucifying was wrong; I think that something was left out. Call it a gut feeling

I don't know if the host left things out. I will post what I heard the past two nights if you would like. I just got to go retrieve it from my PM.

juliets wrote:i'm going to give it the night, sleep on it, and then I'll make up my mind. One thing is for sure though, if the two of you are going to vote BR then I will do the same. It feels like a flip the coin decision to me at the moment. I need to think a little more about that bts BR heard and like you SVS I wish Dom had left his full thoughts with us. If it is not BR then I think if I counted right there are enough people left to vote Vompatti and win even with the night kill. Am I seeing that correctly? I hope Canuck votes. Ok, I'm off to bed for now.

Well it's not BR. I knew this would happen because I have no one to vouch for me. If I had my old role then I would be safe, my new role has given me nothing I could use to gain trust. The BTSC I trusted was wrong, or I read it wrong. I haven't bothered with the other two clips I got the past two nights because of it.

I think someone is just trying to railroad me.

I'm voting for Vompatti. He has to be the last one. If you choose to vote me the game won't end, then you'll vote Vompatti. You'll just give him that one last kill first.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:You forgot me BR.

Sorry, I don't know how I did that. You are also on my trusted list.

S~V~S wrote:
Black Rock wrote:My thoughts on those alive so far.

Bass_the_Clever - civvie
birdwithteeth11 - Not sure - I don't trust him right now
Black Rock 2.0 - civvie
Bullzeye - not sure - could be Rabbit is on to something
Canucklehead - not sure - I don't like what I'm seeing
Dfaraday - feeling civvie on him
Dom - not sure - I don't feel civvie on this one
juliets - not sure - I don't get baddie vibes though
rabbit8 - feeling civvie
S~V~S - civvie type
Turnip Head - civvie type
Vompatti - likely civvie, who knows really

So that's my thoughts. Not much to them. No one has struck me as outright baddie. I'm doing an elimination thing at this point.
Black Rock, this is your last mention of Canuck, last Friday. What changed?

Dom vouched for her.

Figures. I knew I'd be safe last night and I figured Dom was likely going to die. I knew that as soon as Dom said that one thing.

I believe in SVS and Canuck at this point. I'd be absolutely surprised is Juliets was bad. The only people I have to suspect is Vompatti and Juliets and I am thinking Vompatti. I believe he is paying more attention to the game than it seems. I know if I get lynched the game isn't going to end.

Dom wrote:I want to know what item BR says she has.

I think I made that obvious.

Sorry I haven't been around but it has been a beautiful day and I live on a farm. Been doing spring clean up. I didn't know it was important to be here.

I voted for DF as well.

Dom wrote:Elohcin
10
rabbit8 (7), Dom (9), Long Con (10), Elohcin (11), juliets (12), Black Rock (13), Bullzeye (14), S~V~S (15), Bass_the_Clever (16), birdwithteeth11 (17)

You are #5 of Elo voters-- excluding Elo.
Eloh had up to 6 items.

birdwithteeth11
5
Black Rock (12), Bass_the_Clever (13), juliets (14), Turnip Head (15), rabbit8 (16)
You were the 1st BWT voter.

I doubt you only have one item.

I got nothing from the Elo lynch and that's the truth. You are assuming a lot here Dom, just to paint me bad. I am telling you the truth, you just don't care.

Dom wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
Dom wrote:BR could not have spent most of the game with 0 items given her votes.
You are wrong again.
No, I'm not.

Have you looked at my voting record or are you just making up shit?

Dom wrote:BR could not have spent most of the game with 0 items given her votes.

You are wrong again.

So if you die, I'm bad? Thanks for setting me up there Dom.

So we're teammates now? Whatever Dom. You are so wrong about me.

Dom wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I am gonna guess BR is silenced. Everyone but her & Vomps posted, right?

I am not silenced. My daughter is being bullied by her best friends at school. I spent last night and this morning with her crying on my shoulder. Just catching up now and I thought I would stop and confirm that just in case I get distracted before I make a real post.

Also, I have one item. I spent most of this game with 0 items.
Interesting.

Why are you lying?

Lying about what Dom?

S~V~S wrote:I am gonna guess BR is silenced. Everyone but her & Vomps posted, right?

I am not silenced. My daughter is being bullied by her best friends at school. I spent last night and this morning with her crying on my shoulder. Just catching up now and I thought I would stop and confirm that just in case I get distracted before I make a real post.

Also, I have one item. I spent most of this game with 0 items.

S~V~S wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Well, BR, maybe it is possibly a Celestial chat~ Some of them may have thought Bullz was bad; Dom as well perhaps. I am not sure you would have voted so late, and voted as you did, had he been a teammate.

Linki~ it could have also been indies plotting to pull their sad asses out of the fire, as well

It's the word "crucify" that made me think it was baddies talking. It sounded uncaring, and baddie-like. Obviously I read it wrong. You are right, it could have been the Celestials. I didn't think it sounded like them. I consider them to be civvie-like.

Linki: Why would the host send me old chat? Lame, I finally thought I had something cool going on and it turns out it was a dud.
Well, it can't have been the baddies since Bullz was a baddie. And I don't know that the Celestials are doing a lot of talking these days Perhaps they were at the point of being past caring at that time.

And yeah, crucify is a harsh word; so is lynch. We kill each other for fun in these games I know I have used that word in chats, I am not a practicing Christian, it's just a word for killing to me.

I know now it couldn't have been the baddies. I guess I just think certain words sound harsher than others and they make me think it's something a baddie would say. I won't make that mistake again.

I'm just feeling a little stupid right now.

S~V~S wrote:Well, BR, maybe it is possibly a Celestial chat~ Some of them may have thought Bullz was bad; Dom as well perhaps. I am not sure you would have voted so late, and voted as you did, had he been a teammate.

Linki~ it could have also been indies plotting to pull their sad asses out of the fire, as well

It's the word "crucify" that made me think it was baddies talking. It sounded uncaring, and baddie-like. Obviously I read it wrong. You are right, it could have been the Celestials. I didn't think it sounded like them. I consider them to be civvie-like.

Linki: Why would the host send me old chat? Lame, I finally thought I had something cool going on and it turns out it was a dud.

rabbit8 wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I got the tubes from BWT actually. I did not fake it or try to save him. I heard what I heard. I heard, "let's crucify Bullz or Dom" "Haha sounds good to me". What would you think with this information?

Sounds like SVS TBH.

But that's knowing Bullz was bad and hindsight is, well you know.

I thought it sounded like baddie plotting.

I got the tubes from BWT actually. I did not fake it or try to save him. I heard what I heard. I heard, "let's crucify Bullz or Dom" "Haha sounds good to me". What would you think with this information?

I voted for DF. I'm still not willing to let go of what I heard last night and vote for Bullz.

Dom wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Dom wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:What is happening then, Dom? It certainly feels like I'm being bandwagoned by people who have no interest in reading my posts.
Who is your alternative then?
You have simply gotten angry that people have voted for you. You have yet to present a suspicion.
Yeah. I've gotten angry at people. Just sat here raging away. Definitely haven't ever tried to defend myself. Nobody has ignored me or not even bothered to give me a chance. There is no possible reason why I should be even slightly unhappy about this bandwagon.

I said where I wanted to look. I invited people to explain the Vomp case or discuss DFaraday. I haven't had a chance yet to properly look at anyone. I'm very busy. Now I don't see why I should even bother when I'd need to convince literally everyone who hasn't voted. I don't see that happening. JC has already said she'd probably follow SVS, and I think at least one other person is going to follow you.
But you didn't discuss any of those people. That only makes me more suspicious of you.

DFaraday wrote:
Dom wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:What is happening then, Dom? It certainly feels like I'm being bandwagoned by people who have no interest in reading my posts.
Who is your alternative then?
You have simply gotten angry that people have voted for you. You have yet to present a suspicion.

DFaraday wrote:As it stands, the only people left I really feel could be the baddies are Bullz, Bass, BR, JC, Dom, and maybe Canuck. I'm feeling good (or at least neutral) about Rabbit, Vomp, and SVS, which leaves the baddies out of the pool I just mentioned.

I don't really have a strong feel for any of them in particular atm (I was looking at Bass, but that whole switch thing with MM has me wondering if he even could be bad). Since the case on Bullz was pretty good and there are a few ways BR's info could be wrong or made up, I'm going to *vote Bullz*
Did you read what Black Rock said?
I did...I'm not sure what you're getting at.
....
So you voted for someone the baddies wanted to lynch AFTER it was revealed that the baddies want to lynch him?

Didn't you do the same?

Well at this point I hope I was tricked. I hope my info WAS the Celestials and I'm hoping they know what they are talking about.

Dom wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Dom wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Dom wrote:Actually, Bullz, I don't like that you are so against my vote, but ignored the questions/point I brought up earlier.
I had to double-check your posts to find out what you meant by this. Is that the circular argument thing? I didn't ignore it, I just wasn't sure if you expected a response and didn't know what to say. You're correct. It is a circular argument on both sides. My question in that case is who knows my intentions better - me, or Rabbit?

I'm sorry if my previous post annoyed you but it was made at 6am from my phone, having not long ago woken up and checking up on the game to find I'd gained yet another vote. It's not that I "don't like why" there is a case against me, it's that the case against me doesn't seem very good when you examine it properly and I feel my defenses are being largely ignored. I don't like that I got two votes as soon as the day began - granted Rabbit appears to be silenced but he's ignoring the fact that it may have been (and in fact was) a set up. SVS I feel just wanted to get revenge for TH and so voted for someone she thought had been after him without even checking that it was the case. If she had any actual suspicions of me she could have given me a chance to address them.

It is true though, that now I have 3 votes people will be coming in, seeing them, and joining the bandwagon without having to put in any input. Blendy civs and blendy baddies alike are going to pile onto me. As for BR, I don't know what to think about her. I don't know what she seems to have found out, and I don't know why she has. If she's telling the truth (and not a baddie trying to gain civ cred after my lynch by saying "I told you he wasn't bad!") then I'd like to hear more about it from her.
I disagree though... and I think your anger is telling.
Try defending yourself against people who blatantly don't give a shit that they're wrong about you, and then see how you feel.
That's not what's happening?

Black Rock wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Black Rock appears to be vouching for you.

Vouching is the wrong word. I received an item from a recent lynch. It allows me to get some BTSC conversation. In this conversation it seems two baddies are talking about pushing the lynch towards Bullz. They seemed joyous about it. Unless I'm being tricked it makes me think Bullz is not a baddie.
Could it be the Celestials?

It didn't sound like Celestials, it sounded uncaring of what the outcome might be.

I don't think it is old conversation. I only got it last night. Is there something I don't know that could lead to false info?

S~V~S wrote:Black Rock appears to be vouching for you.

Vouching is the wrong word. I received an item from a recent lynch. It allows me to get some BTSC conversation. In this conversation it seems two baddies are talking about pushing the lynch towards Bullz. They seemed joyous about it. Unless I'm being tricked it makes me think Bullz is not a baddie.

S~V~S wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
juliets wrote:
Black Rock wrote:Well that was an interesting night. I came upon some information that has given me some insight. It has also made me very wary of these early votes. I am not sure how to approach this without upsetting the thread... maybe I should think about it before saying more. This information has led me to believe Rabbit is wrong about Bullz. It has also changed my mind a little about Dom. To clarify that, I have been previously unsure about Dom but now I feel a bit better about him.
Black Rock, does your info leave you with a solid idea who you might vote for today?

Unfortunately no. He leaves me with the feeling that the baddies want to lynch Bullz and Dom. That's why I'm thinking that is not a good idea. It seems I got a piece of a plan. The way it is worded it does not sound like civvie behaviour.
Do you think Rabbit is a baddie?
Rabbit doesn't have to be a baddie for the baddies to want me lynched. They'll certainly benefit from it, so I imagine they would quite like to see me die.
I was just asking becasue BR was making it sound like the early voters, Rabbit & me, were suspect and that there was some sort of baddie plot to get you. I just wanted to make sure she was not saying that she thought rabbit was bad or that he was plotting against you.

I don't think Rabbit has to be a baddie for the baddies to want you lynched. I just don't see the connection between *Rabbit* wanting you to be lynched and the baddies wanting you to be lynched. That's where I am having the problem.

Maybe I was just jumping in with wrong words. I had just received my PM and checked the thread to see two votes. It was all so fast and sudden, I hadn't even had a chance to speak first.

juliets wrote:I forgot about another way this info could be untrue. It could just be purposefully bad info that came to BR and she doesn't even know it's bad. She's just repeating to us what she's got. BR is there anything about the info that makes you believe it's true rather than being false?

The nature of this information seems like it is true and not false. I'm going to ask the host a question and get back to you on that one.

S~V~S wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
juliets wrote:
Black Rock wrote:Well that was an interesting night. I came upon some information that has given me some insight. It has also made me very wary of these early votes. I am not sure how to approach this without upsetting the thread... maybe I should think about it before saying more. This information has led me to believe Rabbit is wrong about Bullz. It has also changed my mind a little about Dom. To clarify that, I have been previously unsure about Dom but now I feel a bit better about him.
Black Rock, does your info leave you with a solid idea who you might vote for today?

Unfortunately no. He leaves me with the feeling that the baddies want to lynch Bullz and Dom. That's why I'm thinking that is not a good idea. It seems I got a piece of a plan. The way it is worded it does not sound like civvie behaviour.
Do you think Rabbit is a baddie?

I'm reading civ on him, that's why I said I think he is wrong. Honestly I don't know if I can read Rabbit but his posts have read genuine to me.

juliets wrote:
Black Rock wrote:Well that was an interesting night. I came upon some information that has given me some insight. It has also made me very wary of these early votes. I am not sure how to approach this without upsetting the thread... maybe I should think about it before saying more. This information has led me to believe Rabbit is wrong about Bullz. It has also changed my mind a little about Dom. To clarify that, I have been previously unsure about Dom but now I feel a bit better about him.
Black Rock, does your info leave you with a solid idea who you might vote for today?

Unfortunately no. He leaves me with the feeling that the baddies want to lynch Bullz and Dom. That's why I'm thinking that is not a good idea. It seems I got a piece of a plan. The way it is worded it does not sound like civvie behaviour.

Well that was an interesting night. I came upon some information that has given me some insight. It has also made me very wary of these early votes. I am not sure how to approach this without upsetting the thread... maybe I should think about it before saying more. This information has led me to believe Rabbit is wrong about Bullz. It has also changed my mind a little about Dom. To clarify that, I have been previously unsure about Dom but now I feel a bit better about him.

Vompatti wrote:I don't understand why it's common practice to act surprised when lynching a civ. Trying to make it look like an accident does NOT make it alright. In a righteous society anyone who lynches anyone would be categorically lynched.

Unless you are surprised because you thought for sure that player was bad.

Well I am really surprised with this result. I really thought he was bad. RIP BWT.

Well I am voting for BWT. A whole hour and no one posted.

What's this talk about throwing away votes? This is not the time to throw away votes. With that said I am very undecided on who I am going to vote for. If I had to vote now it would probably be BWT. I don't know if I mentioned before but his posts are just not sitting right with me. I have about an hour before I have to leave for my job so I'm going to go and peel potatoes and think about my vote.

He seemed honest. I don't know why he would do that to call attention to himself. I don't know, it's weird. Maybe I should think about it more.

Juliets, you say you're leaning bad on DF, I am leaning civ. Can you tell me why?

My thoughts on those alive so far.

Bass_the_Clever - civvie
birdwithteeth11 - Not sure - I don't trust him right now
Black Rock 2.0 - civvie
Bullzeye - not sure - could be Rabbit is on to something
Canucklehead - not sure - I don't like what I'm seeing
Dfaraday - feeling civvie on him
Dom - not sure - I don't feel civvie on this one

juliets - not sure - I don't get baddie vibes though
rabbit8 - feeling civvie
S~V~S - civvie type
Turnip Head - civvie type
Vompatti - likely civvie, who knows really

So that's my thoughts. Not much to them. No one has struck me as outright baddie. I'm doing an elimination thing at this point.

Just waiting on dinner and thought I'd check in. I do not like the sudden suck up to SVS from Canuck. I understand she is busy but I have honestly heard that before from baddies. It just seemed like she was attaching to SVS so SVS won't suspect her. I've seen better game play from Canuck.

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