The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:
Cobalt wrote:AFTER ALL THAT SHIT YOU GUYS LET LONG CON'S TEAM WIN

GIOESHDFFIODAHOFWGRSFIOVHBWEKNGBFSODWEDGJSFV
Oh, hey Cobalt - I almost forgot that this was the same game you were in! Thanks for the congrats!

I think he really likes you.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote: You know I love you, right Marshy?
Indeed.

Flash Mafia was 12 days of complete mind fuckery and I feel like this game is heading in the same direction.

How do you like my shiny new banner?

Well I got lynched. Timmer was talking today which means he can't be trusted. I can't explain further but it's true. Thanks for a great game Dom.

*wonders if Timmer plans to call Cobalt out on his No U*

*knows why he won't*

timmer wrote:And BR, YOU are the easy lynch? ?? Bubbles was easy. Covalt is easy. Not you.

If you say so, Timmer. Today's gigantic bandwagon was so hard. You made a couple of points on me that point to me being on two different baddie teams, and people ate it up. Things must be pretty quiet for you guys behind the scenes today, huh Timmer?

fingersplints wrote:I know she doesn't usually like to volunteer opinions on LC, but the bit about expecting others to point out why she wouldn't mention LC really seems off to me. Bit of a guilt trip.

You're right, it's only been discussed in half the games I've played recently, so it's really far-fetched to think that anyone would even think to bring it up. Silly me.

Canucklehead wrote:BR's responses to Timmer's case have been overtly dismissive ("all your little theories don't mean jack", etc.) and disproportionately angry ("The whole thing is giving me a headache", etch). The level of indignation and the attempts not the address the case but rather to belittle it do not seem like the responses of someone who has nothing to hide, but rather like the responses of someone who is backed into a corner and attempting to bluster their way out of it and scare people off from taking the case seriously. I don't think a div BR responds so dramatically. That's why she's getting my vote.

It is giving me a headache, frankly. It's been the cool thing to do for a few games now to start a BR lynch train and ride it all the way to the station. This is going to be the last game I play for a little while, until you decide on a new target.

I don't know what you expect me to do to defend myself. I don't need 16 posts to say "I voted for sig because he outed himself" and "I didn't have much to say about LC because I never do early on in games". I've said it a few times, and all I get is new people coming in with "Hey guys, I'm more convinced than ever that BR is bad!" I'm not going to waste my time posting if no one is going to care, a lot of people here like to talk just to hear themselves speak, but I'm not one of them.

timmer wrote:And BR, YOU are the easy lynch? ?? Bubbles was easy. Covalt is easy. Not you.

If you say so, Timmer. Today's gigantic bandwagon was so hard. You made a couple of points on me that point to me being on two different baddie teams, and people ate it up. Things must be pretty quiet for you guys behind the scenes today, huh Timmer?

fingersplints wrote:I know she doesn't usually like to volunteer opinions on LC, but the bit about expecting others to point out why she wouldn't mention LC really seems off to me. Bit of a guilt trip.

You're right, it's only been discussed in half the games I've played recently, so it's really far-fetched to think that anyone would even think to bring it up. Silly me.

Canucklehead wrote:BR's responses to Timmer's case have been overtly dismissive ("all your little theories don't mean jack", etc.) and disproportionately angry ("The whole thing is giving me a headache", etch). The level of indignation and the attempts not the address the case but rather to belittle it do not seem like the responses of someone who has nothing to hide, but rather like the responses of someone who is backed into a corner and attempting to bluster their way out of it and scare people off from taking the case seriously. I don't think a div BR responds so dramatically. That's why she's getting my vote.

It is giving me a headache, frankly. It's been the cool thing to do for a few games now to start a BR lynch train and ride it all the way to the station. This is going to be the last game I play for a little while, until you decide on a new target.

I don't know what you expect me to do to defend myself. I don't need 16 posts to say "I voted for sig because he outed himself" and "I didn't have much to say about LC because I never do early on in games". I've said it a few times, and all I get is new people coming in with "Hey guys, I'm more convinced than ever that BR is bad!" I'm not going to waste my time posting if no one is going to care, a lot of people here like to talk just to hear themselves speak, but I'm not one of them.

I haven't done a big response to the "case" against me because I've been busy and frankly, this whole thing is giving me a headache. Lynch me, and I will turn up as a Civ. All your little theories and connections don't mean jack. If you think that I'm connected to Golden, to Nijuu, or whoever, then why don't you lynch them first and see - you'll have a better chance of getting a baddie, that's for damn sure.

What is the case against me? I'm on sig's team because I voted for him after he outed himself as a baddie? Why is no one calling bullshit on that? If you're so interested in the sig vote, why don't you have a look at people who didn't vote for him after he outed himself? Maybe that makes too much sense.

I haven't read back beyond the quick catchups I have been doing for the past week, but I think the other "case" against me is that I didn't go after LC or comment on him too much either way. At least half the people in this game are WELL aware that LC and I ALWAYS refrain from giving too much of a read in the thread on each other for about the first half of any game we're in together. This has been discussed publicly many times. We are married, and it's not fair to the game, the other players, the host, and to each other for us to focus too much on one another, because we would have an advantage in that area, as we often can see one another's reactions, posting mood, and more. Again, this fact is well known to those that play with us regularly, and I'm disappointed that no one has even bothered to bring that up.

Several people are trying to set me up as the easy bandwagon, and if that's what you're looking for, then by all means, vote me. I don't have a role that will let me survive a lynch like Cobalt, or survive kills like Golden or Sloonei. I can't tell you who the baddies are, I have a knee-jerk reaction to people like Timmer who act like they're on to something and try talk around weak points until they look like a case, it makes them look bad to me.

I'm a Civ, lynch me and I will turn up Civ. Maybe you'll look at the people who jumped on the BR bandwagon without caring whether the case was quality or bullshit, and maybe you won't.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Black Rock, you seem to be heavily suspected right now. so i'm going to ask you to explain what the case against you has been to this point. if time permits you can also explain why the case is incorrect, but that's less important to me at the moment.

Wouldn't that be just as important?

Cobalt wrote:If you don't lynch Black Rock and Nijuu after I flip civ, I will personally come back to haunt you.

How does your alignment have anything to do with mine?

I'm so glad this game was extended this weekend. Timmer, I will deal with everything you brought up soon. I'm exhausted right now and need a shower.

DFaraday wrote:
Black Rock wrote: So am I on LC's team or Sig's? Sorry I had no suspicion on Sig until he was outed by himself. I don't think I defended LC ALL game. I did say I didn't think he killed Epig and I was right. Who are you trying to lead the lynch away from today Timmer?
Timmer's point was that you had no mention of Sig, but threw a vote on him as soon as it was convenient. And I don't think you misunderstood what Timmer meant, this sounds very much like misrepresentation of his case to me.

BR is pretty high on my list right now, I'm thinking between her and Cobalt. MM is a possibility, but I'd like to hear more from him first.

Where did I misunderstand him? I don't think I misunderstood or stated I misunderstood him at all. It's funny how you use this to accuse me of misrepresented his case as you misrepresent my post.

timmer wrote:Main points for me.

1. Despite posting quite a bit that day, BR's vote post against sig is the only she mentioned him all game. She hadn't ever mentioned him before, she didn't technically even mention him when she voted him, and she never mentioned him after. Search "sig" through her posts, he will only appear in the posts of people she quoted in a reply. Yet she voted for him to be lynched AFTER saying she was CERTAIN Bass is bad.

2. Has defended Long Con all game.

3. Has focused her attentions more on talking about players who aren't around (Turnip Head) or secondary to any of the game's main story lines (Bass) and avoided talking about the main points, unless defending Long Con (never talked about Cobalt/Long Con the day Cobalt took all of the lynch votes).

She's bad.

So am I on LC's team or Sig's? Sorry I had no suspicion on Sig until he was outed by himself. I don't think I defended LC ALL game. I did say I didn't think he killed Epig and I was right. Who are you trying to lead the lynch away from today Timmer?

Golden wrote:Based on a tradition 'mafia two kills even nights' reading, Clyde trying to kill Bass is out of synch.

@scotty - I don't want to say what role, and I think there are good reasons not to. I will, however, use one word from it so we can see if they are the same. Massacre.

That's not a nice word.

Sloonei wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
TinyBubbles wrote:woah RIP FZ! did not see that coming
I just read that like "I better act surprised and pretend I had nothing to do with it"

So there was two kills?

Linki Sloonei
What do you make of the kill?

Also yeah, something is going on with Bass there. Seems like somebody attempted to kill him, or he almost got himself killed? Oddness

My first reaction would be that FZ was killed because there would be no link. I would have to review her posts to be sure.

Hedgeowl wrote:RIPiywg FZ! Sorry to see you go.

So, two kill attempts? How would that work? Has something triggered for an Indy now? Do we have an SK?

Some hosts combine Mafia teams when they get too small, but that wouldnt mean they get 2 kills, but rather they kill every night. Something has definitely changed though. I wondered when the singer wasn't bringing up Nutella again, but interesting to keep harping on that topic. Honestly, I never know on nutella, but she has been reading civ to me at least so far.

I'm not sure I have ever seen that.

TinyBubbles wrote:woah RIP FZ! did not see that coming

I just read that like "I better act surprised and pretend I had nothing to do with it"

So there was two kills?

Linki Sloonei

Golden wrote:I would personally feel more comfortable if G-Man's vote was on one of the absentees such as Gumshoe or Turnip Head.

Has anyone heard from TH? I miss him and want to make sure he's alive and stuff.

I voted for Gman today. It is time.

Dom wrote:
Act One, Scene Four cont'd

Dom is not feeling well. Dom is exhauted. Dom would love to be more creative, but Dom threw up and wants to sleep. This is why Dom should consider having a co-host.

Long Con has been lynched. He was Frank Wildhorn.
It is now Night 4. You have 24 hours to get your PMs in.

Great job! I still want to lynch Gman as well. I also want to review the thread when I'm not phoning it. I feel at least one of Gmans teammates would have kept the lynch focused LCS way hoping he would flip bad and they wouldn't lose Gman.

Bass, I'm glad to see you hanging out. Where did you go? Can you find TH?

I voted for Gman. I can't get anything to load on my computer right now so i'm on my phone. I believe Gman to be on the team that killed epig.

G-Man wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I'm glad you're having fun Gman. How many times are you running it through the generator?
Usually just one time Black Rock Mad Hatter only one LaezyDaezy changes abatement run it through again.

revealed you happy saltpeter?

Sloonei wrote:This thread is too slow right now, it's almost like people have things to do on a Friday! i'd like to get home from work and see some progress has been made, so i'll play whatever part i can in making that happen.
Something that I've not done yet that we should all be doing is looking more closely at the votes from all three days. Not just who certain people voted for, but how they treated their votes and suspicions, what their behavior was like surrounding lynches, etc. I encourage anyone who can and wants to to take a look at some votes and end-of-day behavior and see what you can find.
assemblyman you covered Sloonei!
Ok, just checking.
Nobody intermittence me I couldn't run my posts through the insanifier more than once though. Red Queen I have Ela a few gynocracy moments.

Wazzipi you happy now?

Oh no, run it through however you may like, I'm glad you're having fun. It won't stop me from voting you though. You had all day yesterday to say your piece.

G-Man wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I'm glad you're having fun Gman. How many times are you running it through the generator?
Usually just one time Black Rock Mad Hatter only one LaezyDaezy changes abatement run it through again.

revealed you happy saltpeter?

Sloonei wrote:This thread is too slow right now, it's almost like people have things to do on a Friday! i'd like to get home from work and see some progress has been made, so i'll play whatever part i can in making that happen.
Something that I've not done yet that we should all be doing is looking more closely at the votes from all three days. Not just who certain people voted for, but how they treated their votes and suspicions, what their behavior was like surrounding lynches, etc. I encourage anyone who can and wants to to take a look at some votes and end-of-day behavior and see what you can find.
assemblyman you covered Sloonei!

Ok, just checking.

I'm glad you're having fun Gman. How many times are you running it through the generator?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I hope you aren't taking this beyond the game personally. You go after me the same way every single game. Usually because I'm not playing up to BR standards, I don't even know what that means. I could see it starting as soon as you subbed in.
Now wait just a minute. Aren't you accusing me of playing with a different style that you find unhelpful?

My point is that it's the same every game. You are totally different. I don't think my game play changes drastically every game.

MM, mostly I want to lynch Gman and Bass in that order. That will give TH plenty of time to come back and explain his absence and non-involvement.

You, I'm trying to understand.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:@Black Rock. The only defense I can offer is look at my post history.

1) I am doing something. The productivity or results may not please you, but I've done something.

2) Per Sloonei's thoughts, I went back and did a complete reread and observation of sig, and thought I brought up a very good point with regards to his recent interactions with Long Con. To sweep that under the rug and say I'm not doing anything is so cruel.

3) The post you responded to saying "I don't think you're interested." was a question to Epignosis that I want an answer to. Epignosis was silenced all day yesterday (so it appears), so I don't know what he thinks about G-Man.

4) I've taken a bit of time to immerse myself into this game, but that doesn't make my early play completely irrelevant to this game.

By the way, what part of Turnip Head's gameplay do you find good?

Fair enough, I will let you be for now. I just don't understand what you are doing most of the time.

I don't find any of TH's game play good. I'm waiting for his return before I push with him further. Did I miss a post by him?

FZ. wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
Cobalt wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Cobalt wrote:omfg me and LC are not teammates i want him SPIT ROASTED.

lynch him and then lynch me for all I give a negative fuck
what are your thoughts on everything and everyone?
SCUMMY

more later.

Do you have any real opinions on other players?
Do you? O mean suspicions
Yes and I have stated them FZ. I'm entirely tired of you each game.

I guess I'll leave then.

Bye

I hope you aren't taking this beyond the game personally. You go after me the same way every single game. Usually because I'm not playing up to BR standards, I don't even know what that means. I could see it starting as soon as you subbed in.

Gman, is any of your images important? I have images turned off right now because my wifi is crap. I prefer not to load them if they aren't relevant.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
FZ. wrote:I am leaving and will be back in about 30 hours.

MM, You're set on lynching LC. I don't know why, and maybe he's bad, but I don't get why you're only focusing on one person. Last game we played together you were a lot more helpful. I'm kind of disappointed.

Like I said, I'm worried about Timmer not being here. He hasn't said much last day and I wonder if he's now silenced. If so, I would be tempted to say he did it to himself. But I'll wait and see if he comes back.
I'm beyond worrying about TH. Don't know what's up with him.

BR, can you please again state who you are suspicious of besides G-man?

I'm still suspicious of Splints and I hope she comes in to defend herself.

Scotty, you were the one most engaged in solving the PMs. What do you think about the corruption PM, if there really was one, and how does that influence what you think happened in the night regarding Sloonei.

Those are my questions for now. I'd appreciate people answering them. Thanks
Bass.
So you think I am not interested in hunting baddies. But you are not suspicious of me? Or more accurately, you stated that Bass is your only suspicion aside from G-Man.

And you just made an implication that I am bad.

My implication is that you aren't doing anything at all this game. I don't know if I find that suspicious or not yet but it would be great if you would start playing regularly. I'm not a fan of your new game play.

FZ. wrote:I am leaving and will be back in about 30 hours.

MM, You're set on lynching LC. I don't know why, and maybe he's bad, but I don't get why you're only focusing on one person. Last game we played together you were a lot more helpful. I'm kind of disappointed.

Like I said, I'm worried about Timmer not being here. He hasn't said much last day and I wonder if he's now silenced. If so, I would be tempted to say he did it to himself. But I'll wait and see if he comes back.
I'm beyond worrying about TH. Don't know what's up with him.

BR, can you please again state who you are suspicious of besides G-man?

I'm still suspicious of Splints and I hope she comes in to defend herself.

Scotty, you were the one most engaged in solving the PMs. What do you think about the corruption PM, if there really was one, and how does that influence what you think happened in the night regarding Sloonei.

Those are my questions for now. I'd appreciate people answering them. Thanks

Bass.

FZ. wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
Cobalt wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Cobalt wrote:omfg me and LC are not teammates i want him SPIT ROASTED.

lynch him and then lynch me for all I give a negative fuck
what are your thoughts on everything and everyone?
SCUMMY

more later.

Do you have any real opinions on other players?
Do you? O mean suspicions

Yes and I have stated them FZ. I'm entirely tired of you each game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote: Why not lynch G-Man today?
Why lynch G-Man today?
I don't feel like you're interested in catching baddies.
Oh really? This sounds like an implication to me.

hmmmm.... I wonder why....

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Cobalt wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Cobalt wrote:
Sloonei wrote:While we're all trying to interpret that End of Night post, what do we make of those two hooded figures shaking hands? Did they conspire to save me? Hoods are an inherently evil clothing item, so I dunno
idk why dont you tell us scumnei
are you trying to call me scum here?
not if you help me FINALLY lynch long con today

what i don't understand is if people like Epi think me and LC are teammates then it's beneficial to kill both of us so let's just start with Long Con mmkay?
Why not lynch G-Man today?
Why lynch G-Man today?

I don't feel like you're interested in catching baddies.

Cobalt wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Cobalt wrote:omfg me and LC are not teammates i want him SPIT ROASTED.

lynch him and then lynch me for all I give a negative fuck
what are your thoughts on everything and everyone?
SCUMMY

more later.

Do you have any real opinions on other players?

I am likely voting for Gman today.

Golden wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I however don't believe LC killed Epignosis. It's not his style.
I actually agree with this.

I think TGG is a forceful personality who quite likes to get his own way though, and if Epi's theory about Cobalt is right then make that two forceful personalities. I don't think LC would have chosen to kill epi, he would be advocating for someone who couldn't be traced back.

One thing I think LC would do, though, is be up for shenanigans with Cobalt to distance them from each other, so I can actually see epi's point on that front.

Here are some specific people we haven't really discussed much (in a critical manner) that it would be interesting to know if you have any specific view on - sloonei, scotty, canuck?

I have you more in the neutral box again now, although I won't pretend, part of me asking you questions right now is trying to get a better sense on you, but also because it's nice to get some fresh perspectives into the thread.

I think Sloonei has been rather helpful, I don't know him yet so I imagine that's his normal behaviour. I have no opinion on Scotty and I'm leaning civ on Canuck.

I don't think LC was in on shenanigans with Cobalt. I read it as genuine frustration on both their parts.

Golden wrote:Hey BR, not going to ask your view on LC but do you feel like otherwise you are beginning to get a sense of general reads on people outside of TH and bass?

I have several people on my not so naughty list. I haven't seen a reason to mention them because I don't suspect them.

I do however believe Gman should be lynched, as well as Bass. I think Gman should probably go first.

I however don't believe LC killed Epignosis. It's not his style. I have been trying to stay out of the whole LC thing though.

I want to hear enough out of TH to believe him to be good. (I know you technically didn't want to hear about TH and Bass but I don't want them to think I forgot about them.)

I'm not seeing what FZ is seeing in Splints.

Not sure what to make of you yet Golden. I always lean civ so I have put you in neutral to be on the safe side.

I am a personal reader so these newer guys to me

G-Man wrote:
PLAYERS WITH THREE IDENTICAL VOTES:
1) Devin & Dream (three straight no votes)
2) Gumshoe & Hedgeowl (LC - no vote - no vote)
3) MP07/Epi 2.0 & Golden (SVS - Black Rock - Sig)
4) BR & Splints (No vote- Bass - Sig)
5) Nutella & Scotty (Cobalt - Cobalt - Sig)

*High Five* Splints we're twinning!

Golden wrote:Won't it be nice to hear epi's perspective on today soon

Cobalt's too, I guess.

Also, I'm opening a book on who will have a feud with LC on day 4, since he gets to have one with a different person each day.

Don't piss him off too much, I have to live with him.

nutella wrote:Changed my vote to sig. He's really looking bad. (...And practically admitted it in that green text just now... lol)

I don't get why Bass voted himself though. Want to hear more from him tomorrow.

I missed that, I didn't read the green text. Switching my vote now.

Golden wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
Golden wrote:BR, I agree he must not have been around, this is a pattern of late in recent games for TH.
Could you tell me which games? I just remember him playing like this.
RYM 86 he vanished from after a couple of days and was eventually replaced by Sloonei.

In Biblical he was Jonah who vanished after a few days.

That's why I don't know these patterns. I sure hope this isn't the case and he comes back. I can't trust a quiet TH, it's damn creepy.

Golden wrote:BR, I agree he must not have been around, this is a pattern of late in recent games for TH.

Could you tell me which games? I just remember him playing like this.

Just did a huge catch up. Why is TH so forgettable this game. I can't think of any of his opinions.

Turnip Head wrote:I voted for Hedgeowl.

Then I realized this was his last post on Sunday. Is he silenced as well? I thought he was playing under the radar but this is ridiculous so he must be silenced.

Sloonei wrote:My desire to vote for G-man stems more from gamerguy's posts than anything the G-man has done himself, which is unfortunate for him.

Was it gamerguy who had an issue with dead replacing in?

I had to go back and find a reason why you would put a "placeholder" vote on me.

timmer wrote:I'm getting very intrigued by the opinions on Black Rock. I can see both sides of the argument, to an extent. Black Rock is, I think, being completely honest when she says that her early game here reads exactly like her early game always does. So from that perspective, I can get why she is trying to suggest that there is nothing abnormal about her output.

But there is an important fact that she isn't (understandably) dwelling on; her early game doesn't indicate alignment. So she's defending her early posts in the game as "normal Black Rock" and pseudo-suggesting that it is a civ thing, when in reality it is alignment-neutral for her. She ALWAYS sounds like this. But she isn't saying that part.

But also, Epig's point about BR's post that was lost in linkitis is also very telling (I'm posting as I read, so I have yet to see a proper reply from her). When you leave a window open, and then try to hit post hours later, you should get at a minimum a "here is the posts that have been posting while you were typing" or whatever it is, page. There is something odd about the whole situation.

Is this the reason why?

The reason the post wasn't submitted was after 24 hours sitting in linkitis my internet crapped out and I lost the post. Otherwise, like you said it is my early game and if that's how you feel you should be more on the fence. Do I have it all wrong here?

fingersplints wrote:
Sloonei wrote:fingersplints
fingersplints wrote:Sorry guys I haven't given this much attention yet. Pages behind but will be around later to catch up I hope
splints was very quiet early in the game. In her defense, I know she was playing in another game on RYM when this game started, and I have every reason to believe that that game was receiving more of her attention at the time. That doesn't clear her name at all, though.
This is her most substantial post so far. She offers a few reads that at least look good on the surface. Her point about Bass is one that I can actually get behind somewhat. I did not read the Bass post in question the same way, but I do see why fingersplints's concern would exist. Same can be said of her read on MP/Epi 2.0 in that post.

Other than that, she's recently come to the defense of Black Rock since her name started circulating around the thread.
Spoiler: show
fingersplints wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I don't think BR is suspicious atm.
sorry submitted.

I reread her posts and I see she also is suspicious of Bass, so that has me feeling ok about her. It could be distancing or on other teams, but something about her thoughts feels genuine to me.

linki haha yea I love to suspect BR early! (like in Economics) but I don't see it this time

more linki posting anyways

fingersplints wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Golden wrote:splints, what do you make of that comment by epi. Does he have any reason you can think of to presume you wouldn't suspect BR early?
I assumed he was making a joke since I obviously went after BR pretty hard super early in the last game.

Probably shouldn't make assumptions with Epi though
Wasn't a joke. After I died, I didn't follow the last game much.

I raised a point about Black Rock, which is why I suspect her. I haven't heard from her (or anybody) about it.
I suspected BR that game before you died though. That's why I thought it was a joke. Anyways to answer your previous question then, yes I would and have been suspicious of BR early in a game.
I do not mind this, and BR is far from a sure thing, but I don't really like the "She's suspicious of the same person as me, therefore I trust her" line of reasoning in the first post. Other than that I think she's also expressed light support of Golden's recent point about Gamerguy and continued her suspicion of Bass. I'll be keeping an eye on splints, she's still a very neutral read to me.
It is actually more then her being suspicious of Bass as well, it's that her posts feel genuine to me. I've played with Black Rock quite a bit and I am just not seeing the suspicion of her the same way as everyone else is.

Thank you Splints, it's nice to see someone isn't falling for this case that is basically picking apart my posts and building on semantics.

Sloonei wrote:Gonna try to collect my thoughts on everyone, going down the list alphabetically.
Bass
I gave a fairly small read on Bass earlier here and he's fallen almost completely silence since then, which makes me feel less good about him. It seems his current suspects, according to his posts, are Cobalt and Black Rock. They're both popular targets and Bass hasn't done a whole lot to make his reads stand out against the others, so it could very easily be read as parroting, and I grow more and more wary of that the longer he stays quiet. I'd like to hear a read from Bass on someone that has not been discussed a whole lot.

birdwithteeth/FZ

birdwithteeth made three posts and none of them suggested a strong interest in the game and he backed this up by subbing out, so they're essentially null to me.
FZ is off to a good start.
Spoiler: show
FZ. wrote: Just finished reading day 0

I'm not going to give reasons, just going on my vibes. The people I felt were more civ like:
MP, Golden, Devin, Cobalt, Epi, Timmer.

People I felt pinged by:
LC, BR, the guy with the impossible name (I think people called him the gamer guy or something like that). Sig also got my attention, but I'm still on the fence whether his questions surrounding MP and Devin's interactions was genuine.

People that seem okay but there are moments:
Bass, Gumshoe, Scotty.

Thought I'd just give initial vibes. I'm sure things are bound to change when I keep reading.
I look forward to hearing more about these reads and seeing how they change once you've had more of a chance to get caught up FZ. I'm most interested in your reads of Scotty and Gamerguy mentioned here. Gamerguy because I've had a vague bad feeling about him all game as well, and Scotty because I've generally been leaning town on him. What stood out about him on Day 0?
He then questions G-Man's style (for the record, I was in the Economics game with him and he kept up the picture posts all game long and was town. I'm not going to dismiss him as a suspect just because of that, but there is precedent for this), and asked a question about LC and Cobalt, which I actually think would be useful right now if those two could answer it:
FZ. wrote:Before I continue to read back on day 1, can Cobalt and LC please sum up why they think the other is bad, and how strongly they feel about it, or at least point me to a post where they did that?
These two (mostly Cobalt) have been at each other's throats all game. It would be nice to know where they both stand on each other right now, on Day 3. If Cobalt can talk at all, that is.
Until FZ shares more thoughts, this combined read is pretty much null.

Black Rock
A good deal has been made about her already, and I've weighed in minimally here.
NOW I hope to add more thoughts with a reread, and this post looks like a good place to start:
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Black Rock wrote: If you have any sandwiches suggestions I am open. My staff might kill me if I make my menu any bigger though.

I am so sorry about my lack of communication day 1. I tried to post a couple of times. I forgot to press submit once and came back 12 hours later to see my post sitting there and then it got caught up in linkitis and then I failed. That's what I get for rushing about. My schedule is a lot more open for the next couple of weeks so I will have time for Mafia.

I would have likely voted for Cobalt in the lynch. I'm not used to his style but I find it hard to take his suspicions seriously. I hadn't really suspected SVS, if I had seen her self vote I would have suspected her less, I have seen her do that recently and it wasn't a baddie mood. I haven't read the whole lead up to lynch yet but if she self voted she was likely frustrated, that's a shame.

Bass seems more involved this game. I think somewhere back there he was pointing at SVS for style change while he himself seems to be going through a transition. I am putting him on my watch list.

I will say (and this is all I'm saying about LC at this time) he was telling the truth. We got our asses handed to us last night. The only time we didn't have 50 people lined up was when we closed. We had about 10 minutes of heavy downpour and they still stood in line.

I'm mostly going by memory of what I have read the past two days so if I got some things wrong I am sorry...

I think Golden brought up Hedgeowl and I do what to look more into what he was saying there and where it went from there. I will be looking more seriously at Cobalt and I will read LC. I also want to look an nutella and TH. nutella because some of her earlier day 1 posts seemed too agreeable and TH because.
She gives a number of reads here, which is good, but some things caught my eye. First, she mentions Golden bringing up Hedgeowl. But it was really Turnip Head who first went after Hedge, if my memory is correct. BR then says she wants to take a closer look at Turnip's posts. The fact that she misremembered such a crucial post from Turnup when professing to have a vague suspicion in him is a slight inconsistency that does not BR look great. But this is hardly a sure thing and I know how easy it can be to get names jumbled up like that, especially in the early going. The theory, though, is that if BR really was suspicious of TH then she would have been paying extra close attention to his first big casing post in the thread.
She also mentions Bass as a suspect because he's been "more involved", which is typically something I'd associate with town play, but that's just me and I don't know a whole lot about Bass's style yet. In her next post about Bass, BR points to one post of his and says he's "just trying to fit in", which doesn't really line up with the statement that he's been more involved, though it doesn't really exclude it from possibility either. They're just two thoughts that don't seem to coincide naturally with each other.
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Black Rock wrote:I have some suspicion of Cobalt, he is new to me but he seems to be basing his LC suspicion on a different game and some things he says seem off.

I'm watching Bass as well.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sorry everyone for not voting I got super drunk yesterday and forgot. I would have voted Cobalt he never addressed any of the points he made he commented on one thing I said and I think he was wrong about what he commented on, but I will have to go back and look to make sure.
Who would you say are the next scummiest players ever after Cobalt?
I just caught up, but when I was reading I kept getting this bad vibe from LC I want to go over all his post like I did with Cobalt and get a better read on him.
This post in particular seems like he's trying to fit in. Just didn't seem right.

Otherwise I have to take the time to go back and read, which I haven't done yet but I plan on doing that when the kids go to bed.
She seemed to do a pretty good job deciphering the Night 1 Book message, which is a point in her favor, but not a huge one because scum would have just as much incentive to do that as town.

Then she makes a post about Turnip Head, explaining that she meant to post it earlier. The read expressed in that post felt a bit fabricated to me either way (or, I could see it being a fabrication).
Black Rock wrote:I might vote for TH this time. He didn't even give me a roll eyes, likely he doesn't want to get me charged up and wants to stay under the radar. Under the radar is exactly how I feel he is playing this game.
To this point she had only mentioned TH as a suspect that one time (from what I see, perhaps I missed something), and that was hardly a strong suspicion. I don't see why it would have demanded a response from TH and this post feels a bit opportunistic to me.

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Black Rock wrote:I'm voting Bass now. I am certain he is bad.

I am tired and cranky and will not be posting anymore tonight. If you are certain I am bad then vote for me. It makes sense right? I will post how I wish, maybe I'm just a big flake and horrible at this game.

Epignosis, I find it very odd how your opinions haven't changed since you have a new role and you have completely switched gears. Bass your teammate?

linki: That's good Golden. If your civ your wrong, if you aren't then you don't care.

Black Rock wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:BR you were recently teammates with Bass in the Econ game. What are you seeing here that makes you certain he's bad?
I can't even have an opinion about that game and who played what. I was swamped with posts and had no idea what was going on. We hardly communicated in BTSC and when I died I stopped following. If you have an open mind just read his posts. He is literally following the leader and he even followed the leader with Golden after I had expressed suspicion on him.
BR's suspicions continue to make me suspicious of her. She's "certain" about Bass now. The progression of her read against Bass has not felt nearly as strong as the language she's using here would indicate, and the point about her and Bass having just been scum partners in the Economics game is a perfectly valid one (that I was also hoping they could both address) that she entirely shrugs off here (though, again, I do not doubt that her answer could be a legitimate one. That game was hectic).
I may not be as suspicious of BR as this post indicates, but these are all points I'm considering about her and I'd like to hear a response. I'm particularly interested in hearing more of an explanation of your reads on Bass and Turnip, BR.

posting this now before it gets too huge.

Concerning Bass and TH. Most of my TH banter is mostly history between TH and I. I always Suspect him. I haven't necessarily suspected him yet this game but I like to throw his name around to gauge a reaction. When you are asking me about Bass have you taken the time to read his posts. Particularly when he does and doesn't mention LC and the context. If you notice he asks Epig a few questions abput LC on day 0 and doesn't again bring him up until night 1. Then he comes in and gives some vague suspicion about vibes and doesn't follow through on anything. From there it only gets worse. His thoughts are the threads thoughts. He's hiding behind everyone elses ideas.

The more I read his posts the more certain I am.

sig wrote:So looking at the night kill attempt I would say Golden is more likely to be clean.

Cobalt seems to be hypnotized, but even so he still voted for LC which is consistent with the previous days. Can in theory the mafia target another mafia player from the same team to get hypnotized? If we think LC is innocent but Cobalt is scum that would be the best way to push an LC lynch by the mafia.

nijuukyugou pinged me with her first post and has posted minimum after that, however she says it is her playstyle and since no other players called her out on that I will assume it is true. After finding out a tie doesn't equal a no lynch she dropped on my suspect list. I think she is my only hard civ read right know.
LC sorry to be pestering you, but why is Sloonie scum?

Can someone refresh my mind with why people find Bass suspicious?

Black Rocks slip up and general posting vibes I'm getting would be enough for me to lynch them if I can't find anyone else.

MetalMarsh89 why are you lynching LC again?

Slip up?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Long Con! You're still alive. What's up with that?

What's up with you?

Turnip Head wrote:BR you were recently teammates with Bass in the Econ game. What are you seeing here that makes you certain he's bad?

I can't even have an opinion about that game and who played what. I was swamped with posts and had no idea what was going on. We hardly communicated in BTSC and when I died I stopped following. If you have an open mind just read his posts. He is literally following the leader and he even followed the leader with Golden after I had expressed suspicion on him.

I'm voting Bass now. I am certain he is bad.

I am tired and cranky and will not be posting anymore tonight. If you are certain I am bad then vote for me. It makes sense right? I will post how I wish, maybe I'm just a big flake and horrible at this game.

Epignosis, I find it very odd how your opinions haven't changed since you have a new role and you have completely switched gears. Bass your teammate?

linki: That's good Golden. If your civ your wrong, if you aren't then you don't care.

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