The Syndicate

I think I'm vacillating between levels 2 & 4, Rico, and am planning to vote DF on the chance that Level 2 is the correct interpretation....because if level 4 is the correct interpretation, then we're still as bloody clueless as we've ever been, and that's not very empowering.


....and on a semi-related note, I just have to say, that whether you're civ or baddie, coached or not, Rico, you are really fucking great at this game and an awesome addition to the forum. Thanks for coming to play with us!

Dom wrote:

Made wrote:
And re Canuck: List of 3 are nice and stuff. Where do you plan on going today?

:hmm:

S~V~S wrote:So you agree with Faraday, Canuck?

I see that kind of thing as more of a baddie frame up than as something LC would actually do. I have played lots of games with LC over the years, and I do not ever recall him to make a move so lacking in finesse.

^^

Dom, what do you mean to convey by your :hmm: and ^^ above? You went to the trouble of pulling quote and "commenting" on them, but I'm at a loss to decipher your intentions or meaning here.
Decode for the sake of a dense Canucklegoose, please!

Who has been saving him, Roxy?

Made: yeah, I could very easily see myself voting DF for te reasons LC describes and that you've just fleshed out...but I really am quite hesitant to go for the easy case or the obvious case (which this seems to be) b/c I've done that pretty much every lynch and we have nothing but poop to show for it. So I'm biding my time and hoping something will click, or someone will slip, or some miracle will descend from the heavens and tell us what the fuck to do.
Fingers crossed!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Ya know, I'm starting to get tempted to see LC as a baddie, taking good advantage of the WIFOM possibilities of llama's death and the "No! It's way too obvious!" thing...but what's hiding me back from that is exactly the aloofness that is causing MM to suspect him. Baddie LC is full of plots and evil, and while he is obviously excellent at "playing civ" even when a baddie, I don't think aloofness is in his baddie repertoire, since engaging in the thread and doing "good civ work" are (at least from what I remember) essential elements to move his baddie plots along...
So I think, personally, that the aloofness you're seeing is LC as a civ who has practically no information to work with and is therefore floundering as much as the rest of us are.


Linki: like I said this morning, I am currently planning to vote for DF, Bass, SD, or possibly Dom.

If he's a baddie, then our lynch track record is proof enough that his plan is going smoothly. I understand what you mean though, but this is not a recent development. I mentioned it earlier, and he has been doing this all game.

???
I don't know what you're talking about. What is not a recent development? And why does it matter that you mentioned it earlier?

His 'floundering' as you call it. I'm saying it's not a result of lynching civvies 7 times in a row, because his playstyle hasn't changed during that time.

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.
(I don't agree, btw....I know I'm a civ and have felt pretty damn floundery all game. Lynching 7 civvies has merely exacerbated it )

Linki: no worries, SVS. Starting my "I don't suspect so-and-so" posts with phrases like "I'm tempted to
suspect so-and-so" is not exactly a recipe for successfully expressing my opinions with maximum clarity :blush2:

S~V~S wrote:So you agree with Faraday, Canuck?

I see that kind of thing as more of a baddie frame up than as something LC would actually do. I have played lots of games with LC over the years, and I do not ever recall him to make a move so lacking in finesse.

No, I don't agree with DF. Like I said, I think LC is civ.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Ya know, I'm starting to get tempted to see LC as a baddie, taking good advantage of the WIFOM possibilities of llama's death and the "No! It's way too obvious!" thing...but what's hiding me back from that is exactly the aloofness that is causing MM to suspect him. Baddie LC is full of plots and evil, and while he is obviously excellent at "playing civ" even when a baddie, I don't think aloofness is in his baddie repertoire, since engaging in the thread and doing "good civ work" are (at least from what I remember) essential elements to move his baddie plots along...
So I think, personally, that the aloofness you're seeing is LC as a civ who has practically no information to work with and is therefore floundering as much as the rest of us are.


Linki: like I said this morning, I am currently planning to vote for DF, Bass, SD, or possibly Dom.

If he's a baddie, then our lynch track record is proof enough that his plan is going smoothly. I understand what you mean though, but this is not a recent development. I mentioned it earlier, and he has been doing this all game.

???
I don't know what you're talking about. What is not a recent development? And why does it matter that you mentioned it earlier?

Ya know, I'm starting to get tempted to see LC as a baddie, taking good advantage of the WIFOM possibilities of llama's death and the "No! It's way too obvious!" thing...but what's hiding me back from that is exactly the aloofness that is causing MM to suspect him. Baddie LC is full of plots and evil, and while he is obviously excellent at "playing civ" even when a baddie, I don't think aloofness is in his baddie repertoire, since engaging in the thread and doing "good civ work" are (at least from what I remember) essential elements to move his baddie plots along...
So I think, personally, that the aloofness you're seeing is LC as a civ who has practically no information to work with and is therefore floundering as much as the rest of us are.


Linki: like I said this morning, I am currently planning to vote for DF, Bass, SD, or possibly Dom.

Why am I on your suspect list, Made?

S~V~S wrote:Canuck, I was attaching my suspish of MM to everyone he interacted with to any extent. So my suspicion of him wasn't dependant on TH, but the other way around.

Thanks, SVS. Makes sense.

Long Con wrote:I cast my vote for DFaraday, who now has tried to introduce thread actions resulting from baddie moves (the Llama kill, the Uwe Boll thing)... I think he's a baddie who wants certain results from those actions.

I like this. A lot.

S~V~S wrote:I think lynching either of them is good. I got a teammates feel from them, even when they were being adversarial, they were being sympatico. Like I said yesterday, it felt to me like MM was giving TH a platform for expressing himself, while doing a bit of distancing at the same time. Then TH made a remark about how MM is determined to misread him, and that was not how I was reading their exchange at all. That was why I put out the "popcorn" smilie; they were putting on an excellent show, and i was enjoying watching them.

I would say I was sorry it annoyed MM, but, really, I kinda wasn't. This is how I play, and it works for me

Linki~ Welcome Back AP

SVS, in light of TH flipping civ, how have you re-organized your thoughts about MM? If he's not TH's baddie teammate (which seemed to be at least part of the fuel for your TH vote), what else about him makes you think he's bad? (I am in the process of reading back through all your posts to try to find your original suspicions of MM that are not TH connected, but I'm not quite done yet.....and regardless, I'd like to hear how/if your thoughts have changed given the new information about TH, or if the TH-teamie thing was not actually much of a factor for you).

Thanks!

Today I'm likely voting for Bass, DF, SD, or (outside chance) Dom. Bass, DF, and SD for being extreme low-liers, Dom 'cuz a have a gut feeling (but those have sucked this game, so I'm not too inclined to follow that again).

Still don't understand why MM is on everyone's lists. I've re-read him already, but I guess I'll give a re-read to his main suspector/accuser SVS and see if I can figure out why you all feel so unsure of him.

Long Con wrote:My theory for the Roxy survival is best left unsaid, and I think that's probably in line with the reason Roxy and Llama are staying silent.

Actually, I think llama is staying silent because llama is dead.

I, too, shall vote for my valiant and cute-as-a-button friend TH. I'm sorry if I've been wrong all along, but I don't like the looks of the late surge towards MM that seems to be brewing.

I do not understand the case on MM. At all.
I did a full readthrough of all 7 pages (superstar!) of his posts a few nights ago and could find absolutely nothing that made me think he was anything other than a civ trying to figure stuff out. I don't have a particularly long history with MM, so maybe I just don't know what his baddie game looks like, but I found nothing in his post record that struck me as baddie behaviour: no attempting to hide in the shadows, no fear of rocking the boat or drawing attention to himself, no frivolous leaps onto lynch trains once they began pulling out of the station (or at least not any more frivolous than anyone else).
I feel like this is a case where his name has been casually floated for long enough and "linked" to enough other subjects of discussion that he's become suspicious simply by being mentioned a lot. For anyone who feels inclined to, please show me where I'm going wrong in my read of him!

Alos, TH's Emmerich comment was weird, but I think his immediate "bwt is clearly info dumping and I'm bothered by it but no worries guys 'cuz it's clearly an incorrect infodump cuz I'm totes a civ but the ony reason he would go after me is if he has info but it's wrong info I swear trust" reaction post was even weirder.

And I think the resurgence in MM suspicions as TH is on the brink of being swallowed by a lynch train are weirder still.

Turnip Head wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Perhaps unsurprisingly

Perhaps indeed I can't make heads or tails of you this game Canuck, I'm lost as fuck, just a turnip down on his luck. But it's quite the caper you pulled with me this game. You have clung to suspicion of me from the very get go, but you haven't said why you're suspicious of me since Day 1. You've echoed your own thoughts from Day 1 re: me, but never bringing up any new points. So whether you're bad or civ, I'm positive you are relishing this opportunity to lynch your dear old pal

I appreciate the rhyming, but there has been no caper here. I began to be suspicious of you after the bwt lynch, your responses to my suspicions made me feel slightly better about you, and the fact that no one else agreed gave me pause. So while I've maintained at least some level of suspicion of you since day 1, I have wavered and gone back and forth and have only actually voted for you once, so to say that I've "clung" to my suspicions or pulled a "caper" is rather hyperbolic, my dear old pal. Since my suspicion of you since the bwt lynch has been almost entirely based on that vote and your tone/evasiveness, there was never really anything new for me to add Sometimes suspicions linger even when nothing new or drastic or different has occurred, and in this case, the fact that nothing really had happened to alleviate my suspicion is the motor that has kept the engine running to a greater or lesser extent as the days have gone on.

Sorry I didn't post yesterday....but things happened and stuff was done and it was Friday, and I forgot :blush2:

I had more thoughts yesterday, and I'll try and piece them together again.....but mainly I think I'm going to vote for TH.

Daaaaammn! Today got good! I've got lots to say, but I just had a meeting with my scariest committee member (it went great! I didn't cry! He didn't even attempt to eat me alive!) so I've gotta have a drink to calm my lingering jitters and have a romp with my pup to work off my excess adrenaline (yes, meeting with my committee literally turns me into a anxious, hyperventilating wreck. Isn't grad school grand?), but once I'm done those things I'll be back to add my thoughts!

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I am fully on board with a TH lynch today as I have been uneasy of him since Day 1. I don't need to vote right away and will wait to consider any further responses/reactions/cases/etc, but at this point it would take a pretty big push to get me off this particular lynch train.

I voted for movies/IPs that I'm familiar with and looking forward to, but now I'm having fun IMDBing all the ones I've never heard of! This is the most educational game I've ever played, and the one that has most contributed to me not doing any of the work that I'm supposed to be doing. Thank you, Mongoose.

S~V~S wrote:I had to walk away for 24 hours. I suck, and I am sorry

I'm sorry you were upset enough to feel the need to walk away. I hope that if it was caused by something/someone in the thread, you would let them know (either after the game or privately, if that feels more appropriate than in-thread) so that they could rectify whatever behaviour upset you.
We need you around, SVS! You don't suck at all!

S~V~S wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:TH's case on Made is interesting, but I'm wary because I don't actually really trust TH at this point. However, in two-mafia games, baddies often make some of the best baddie hunters, since they're desperate to remove the threat of NK by the other team....so thinking someone might be a baddie si not neccesarily a reason to discount their suspicions and cases.

I did a read through of MM last night, and I really didn't see anything at all that read like a baddie to me there, so I don't think I'll be jumping on that train unless some more compelling thoughts/cases on him come forward....

So if you are not discounting cases, what do you think of Made & MMs cases on me? Do you agree that civs should keep a tight vote if possible?

I'm not sure I understand this allusion to "discounting cases"? My post stated that I wasn't discounting TH's case on Made, despite the fact that I don't really trust TH. I'm not sure how that is related to MM (who I see no reason not to trust) and Made's cases on you? (This is not a snarky response, just a genuinely confused one)

But to answer your question directly, because maybe you were just asking for my opinion and I'm reading too much into your choice of phrasing:

Since after my reread of him I see no reason not to trust MM, I wouldn't discount his case on you (though I ultimately don't agree with it), and even tough at the time of this post I was on the fence with Made (though we now know he was civ), I still wouldn't discount his case on you (though I also don't agree with it). I do agree that your concern about spreading the vote and having many missing voters due to the poll time was a valid one, and proved prescient re: the latter point.

Hmmmm. You're right that the short list based on my theory doesn't actually look promising, as I am reading civ on llama and don't think SD has been active enough to use that power on such short notice. And I suppose it is possible that Mongoose built in a fail safe that if she was not around to immediately activate the power, then the game-mod could do so, or perhaps she constructed some other mechanism to make it work.....
I'm glad we had this talk. I'm feeling much less convinced of my own theory by the minute.

Yes, I know people will be pissed because I suggested it, and it is perfectly understandable WHY they would be upset, but that is the logic I'm considering right now, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Might as well be open about it, then. I'm very willing to be told to stfu if we can reasonably assume that a regular user could temporarily be granted those mod-like priviliges. I don't know enough about how the board works to know if that is the case or not.

TH: Yeah, those are definitely some valid points against the theory which I've also been considering. I'm willing to entertain the possibility of a power that doesn't require host intervention (though it would possibly be unprecedented? I duno), but I definitely agree that it would be unlikely that Mongoose didn't randomize. And I agree that the way the role is worded could mean that certain suspicions must be present in the thread in order for the ability to be used. If that's the case, that also could certainly give us some direction at where to look....but it's hard to know if that is how the role works or not.

ETA: the above probably also applies to admins, I guess

Soooooo....I have what I am assuming is going to be a very unpopular theory. I should probably wait until day to post it, but I'm impatient and am going to do it now.

I think that whoever is Uwe Boll must have mod powers. Since the most useful function of the thread lock ability is, as BR points out, to lock the civs into lynching a goodie, it's imperative that whoever has that ability be able to use it immediately and not have to wait for host confirmation. Otherwise, the situation that the baddies would be trying to preserve by locking the thread could evaporate or change by the time the host responds to their PM, rendering the ability pretty useless. Therefore, I'm pretty sure that they would need to be able to enact the lock themselves whenever they wanted to, which is a power only available to mods afaik. If it's a power that can be granted to non-mods on a limited basis, then my theory is obviously not relevant, but yeah. That's what I'm thinking atm.

Spacedaisy wrote:If so I greatly apologize. In all honesty I was afraid I had accidently locked it while using my iPad. crap.

The votes were 1-1-1 when I came in.

Honest mistake, daisy! I'm sure everyone understands.

Linki: Rico, SD has mod abilities, which is why she was able to unlock the thread I assume

Guys. Hold up. This thread was unofficially unlocked. I think we need to wait for Mongoose's OK before proceeding.

Wait, SD unlocked the thread?? I don't think that's kosher...I assmed the baddies used their ability. I don't think these posts an votes should be happening right now. :s

The baddies have a "lock the thread when Uwe Boll comes under suspicion" ability. Which is making me much more confident about following TH's lead on Made.

TH's case on Made is interesting, but I'm wary because I don't actually really trust TH at this point. However, in two-mafia games, baddies often make some of the best baddie hunters, since they're desperate to remove the threat of NK by the other team....so thinking someone might be a baddie si not neccesarily a reason to discount their suspicions and cases.

I did a read through of MM last night, and I really didn't see anything at all that read like a baddie to me there, so I don't think I'll be jumping on that train unless some more compelling thoughts/cases on him come forward....

A Bard smiley would also be awesome! Little Willy Shakes, with quill and manuscript!

thellama73 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Hmmmmm....I don't know if I'm suspicious of Dom exactly, but his posts have seemed very curt/terse this game which is not what I normally associate Dom with. Since he hasn't been under a huge deal of suspicion (apart from his bout with MP), I'm having difficulty ascribing it to civvie frustration....perhaps a baddie frustrated by kill fails? Or by teammates who aren't pulling their weight?
I'm not willing to vote for Dom based merely on my (very subjective) Interperetation I the tone of his posts, but it has been drawing my attention throughout the game, so I'd like to hear others' opinions on whether this is regular Dom (and I'm just remembering him wrong and/or misinterpreting his short responses) or whether this is odd

No one ever takes my opinions seriously.

Huh?

Hmmmmm....I don't know if I'm suspicious of Dom exactly, but his posts have seemed very curt/terse this game which is not what I normally associate Dom with. Since he hasn't been under a huge deal of suspicion (apart from his bout with MP), I'm having difficulty ascribing it to civvie frustration....perhaps a baddie frustrated by kill fails? Or by teammates who aren't pulling their weight?
I'm not willing to vote for Dom based merely on my (very subjective) Interperetation I the tone of his posts, but it has been drawing my attention throughout the game, so I'd like to hear others' opinions on whether this is regular Dom (and I'm just remembering him wrong and/or misinterpreting his short responses) or whether this is odd

Today my vote is pretty mch up for grabs because I am pretty damn lost, and my previous thoughs have proved not good. Someone buy my vote with reason, logic, intuition, and/or charm!

I am very intrigued by the swarming MM suspicions. He's been neutral/unreadable for me so far, but I owe him a re-read since a few people on my think-they're-civ list have serious doubts about MM.


BR, any thoughts on TH? You were the only person who seemed even marginally on board with my suspicions of him, and I'm just wondering if your thoughts on him have changed in either direction. I'm still pretty torn.

Anyone else have thoughts on TH? Or thoughts on Dom?

I don't get the Roxy suspicions, so if anyone wants my vote to go there, I'll need some convincing.

There are many typos in the above post, including the memorable and incomprehensible "but I i were you peeps is wee", which I beleive is meant to say "but if I were you peeps I'd wear....etc".

Apologies.

Linki: thanks, LC, my dear neglected compatriot

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Because everyone's opinion has value regardless of whether others agree with it or listen to it. It is important to know what people think and why they think it. Do you disagree?

I don't disagree, but I can't help but notice a lack of such through exploration the opinions of, say, Canucklehead, as opposed to me and SVS.

This is very true. No one ever weighs my thoughts very seriously (myself included).....I think it's a compliment to you, llama...or at the very least an indication of the effects of confidence on others' perceptions of you. I can understand how/why you and SVS are annoyed by this phenomenon, but I i were you peeps is wee it as a badge of honour.
Lord knows I wear my perpetual lack of influence and scrutiny as a badge of shame.

Ok, I'm pretty much caught up, though I did read quickly and might have missed some degrees of subtlety.

I think that in addition to low posters (Bass, DF, sabie, Lizzy) I'm interested in reassessing my view on the following players, who up until now I've been feeling totally neutral on:
daisy
Dom
MM
Rico

Hey, all.
Sorry I'm not caught up yet, but am just about to get on a train to travel home after a whirlwind Disney/Wizarding World of Harry Potter weekend, so I'll be back in action again very soon!

Awwww, shit.

I'm sorry that I suck at this game, Ninjajujube.

I actually have to vote right now. I'm on a train for the next 13 hours, and I need to go find myself a drink before the bar car closes.

I'm going to vote for Blooper, completely invalidating m&m previous post
Sorry, Nonja! Thought I would have more time to consider other things.....but tracwllibg is happening!

Linki: sigh. That's not a wise vote. But tit for tat, I guess. I still like you.

You should not vote for me, blooper. Apologies if you think I'm " falsifying your opinions". I'm just interpreting things as I see them, and listening to responses, and modifying my interpretations as necessary. No need to feel reactively "itchy" about me. I'm not trying hard to get you lynched. Dom asked why llama was suspicious of you. Llama declined to comment elaborate, so I offered my own take.

If you're looking for someone who is pushing hard to lynch you, look at llama. I'm not decided about who was m voting for yet.

All the linki. Posting anyway.

Nevermind, it was Dom who asked for the Blooper case.

Hi, Dom!

Just to add to my above Blooper comments, the only suspects she's stated all game are Vomps (zany player), Rico (new and seemingly super adaptable player), and Made (zany player). These are the absolute PERFECT suspects for a baddie to stick to, because they are so easily justifiable if they flip civ. They're easy votes, and they're easy to use as a shield of consistency, and they're easy to explain away if and when they flip civ.

Blooper hasn't had a single vote-related suspicion, or a single association-related suspicion, or a single suspicion based on anything other than zany-ness or newbie-ness. It's bizarre, for a player as smart as she is.

linki: oops. I thought you asked for the case on Blooper?? But maybe that was MM.....

That first sentence should read "without ever really saying ANYTHING" not everything.

TH, my thoughts on Blooper are that she has been posting just enough (both in terms of frequency and content) so that she seems involved but distracted, but without ever really saying everything. If you read through her posts, they're all a bunch of summaries, gestures towards other people's thoughts, banal statements, and not much input of her own. She never addressed my initial prodding of her/call out of her lack of posting (which was odd since many other people commented on the jokey/over the top language of the post, many thinking I was possibly cursed), yet as soon as her name comes up as a suspect, rather than just a low poster, she's instantly available to address llama's suspicions and modify her behaviour. That, coupled with her supremely blendy behaviour and her record of latching on to llama's Vomps suspicion early and sticking unquestioningly with it, seems vote worthy to me. Read her posts. They're a beautiful example of seeming involved without doing/saying anything that could possibly be controversial or draw an eye.

Hey, all.
I didn't yet have a chance to do the rereads I wanted to do, but I will hopefully get to them today. However, based on recent responses of players since llama and I posted our lists, my current top suspects are Ninja, MM, and Rico, so I will be concentrating my efforts there. I think SVS is very much playing like a civ SVS, I don't suspect llama, I'm on the fence on Roxy but leaning towards civ, bwt I trust (obvs), TH is still feeling nebulous for me, and then there are a whole pile of players that I have very little read on.

Also, I'm going out of town tonight and won't be back until Tuesday afternoon (I'm going to Disney World with my man, my sis, and my nieces!! I've never been!! And I know I'm supposed to be all hip and dismissive and cynical and blase about shit like this, but dammit if I'm not giddy like a fucking five year old right now!! I'm gonna meet Goofy!! AND I'M GOING TO HARRY POTTER LAND!!!!!!!), so I may be sporadic in the next few days. I'll have my phone and wifi in the condo, but posting and catching up will likely be restricted to late nights after the kidlets and the boyfriend have snoozed off for the night.