The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:I can't believe I made such a silly mistake. BR is laughing at me right now.

What is your silly mistake?? I'm confused!

linki: Well super fucks.

Long Con wrote:Canuck, if you're not a baddie, then perhaps a vote for A Person and some faith would be in order here. I promise you, I am a Civ. I think I was foolish with my vote.

I don't want to vote for you, which is why I haven't done so yet. I reallyreally do want to vote for AP, but I also feel that there is an imperative to save myself, since I know I am civ and I'm fairly certain that numbers are tight, if not dire already.

Gah. I don't know what to do. If Made follows through and votes AP, then we're golden......if not, then I'm not sure if I'm comfortable leaving my fate to a tiebreaker.

MAAAAAADDDDDDDE, you cheeky bastard! Where are yoooouuuuuu??????!!!

I reallyreallyreally need Made to come in and tell me who he's voting for!!

Well fuckity balls.

Turnip Head wrote:Can you give me the case on AP one more time please?

Sabie/AP has been AWOL all game. I have a theory that MM's teammates were not around to help him out during the multiple times that he was under serious fire, nearly lynched, and then finally successfully lynched. I think the poor rodent got stuck with a no-show on his team, and was therefore kinda hung out to dry, resulting in me being the only person not willing to vote for him on his fatal day.....


......that's kinda it, lol.

I mean, I'd be willing to vote Dom out of pure self-preservation, but I'm wary because I don't think enough other people will be on board, and because I think you're probably bad so jumping into bed with you on this seems....wrong.

linki: Yeah, LC is not reading baddie to me, either. But maybe he's just that damn good? I'm essentially a coin flip on the baddiness of both LC and Dom, and will vote for either if necessary....but I'd really rather be voting AP.

...and I sound genuine because I aaammmmm genuine

Turnip Head wrote:Which options would help your survival?

The options which are likely to get enough votes to have more votes than me

I worry that both of those options amount to the same thing, as far as my survival is concerned

Mongoose wrote:Effective immediately, Turnip Head (2.0) is replacing Roxy. He cannot be lynched on Day 9 and cannot be targeted on Night 9.

Please welcome him back with open arms.

LC, who are you voting for?
Made, who are you voting for?
Bass, who are you voting for?
AP, who are you voting for?
Nips, who are you voting for?


....asking for a friend.

Vompatti wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I wish Bass and Vomps would come by and let us know where there thinking of voting. Their thoughts could potentially have an influence on mine (unless, of course, they're planning to vote for me, in which case I hate them and hope they trip and fall and hurt themselves in a way that is mildly inconvenient to their daily lives)

In that case I'm *voting for you* while I still can.

Welp, that sure backfired.
Frown.

Gaaahahhhh! I did a there/they're fail! Someone please kill me immediately, I no longer deserve to live.




.....except don't actually kill me please 'cuz I'm a civ and you love me.

Hmmm....I dunno if I'm prepared to vote LC. Like my views on Dom, I keep flipflopping on LC......but if it gets to a point where I have to vote LC to save myself, I'll obviously do so.....but I'd prefer not to.

Who else would you consider a vote for, Rico?

I wish Bass and Vomps would come by and let us know where there thinking of voting. Their thoughts could potentially have an influence on mine (unless, of course, they're planning to vote for me, in which case I hate them and hope they trip and fall and hurt themselves in a way that is mildly inconvenient to their daily lives)

I should also add the caveat that Dom's vote for me does bias me against him because I am petty and selfish and have trouble not seeing votes for me as indication of a baddie hyena jumping on the wounded gazelle.

I keep vacillating back and forth with Dom. I know he has objected that it's a gross mischaracterization of him, but it really seems to me that his play this game has been 95% composed of glib oneortwo word questions meant to provoke and needle. Provocation, needling, and questioning do not in themselves indicate baddiness (and I think are generally just markers of a certain playstyle, not alignment), but Dom does not seem very forthcoming about his own thoughts, theories, musings, etc. Maybe I've just had blinders on and am misremembering his meatier involvement in discussions (except with MP,...I do remember his contributions there), but the curt questioning and the reticence to dig in and engage with people with his own thoughts seems overly guarded and defensive for a civ. Dom certianly seems involved in the game, but I have a hard time feeling out where he stands most of the time, unless he decides to do what he did with me (make a leading statement disguised as a "question", not wait of r a response, and vote). This sort of tightlippedness doesn't feel particularly civ to me, because it seems like he's leaving very little evidence for people to latch on to, and giving very little indication about where he plans to vote before abruptly doing so.

That's my sense of Dom. Dom disagrees with my sense of Dom. This sense is entirely constructed from memory and impression. I fully admit to not having done an extensive reread of Dom before writing this, but it's the vibe I have from him. It's not damning, which is why I'm back and forth on him, but it does prevent me from placing him solidly in my good guy category.
But, to be fair, I've been wrong about everyone this game, so take my thoughts with a grain (or an entire mine) of salt.

I'm not convinced that any attempts to save MM ever happened (though tht seemed to be the implication of people suspicious of me and others). Part of the reason that I'm willing to look at (former/now replaced) non-participants (esp. Sabie/AP and Lizzie/Made) is that MM is a confirmed baddie, and I was his most obvious and active "defender". I have a theory (and it's just a theory, I'm willing to be shown why it doesn't hold up) that at least one of the non-participants was on team MM, which is why he was allowed to garner so many votes/suspicions for so long without anyone speaking in his defense. Before he was revealed, one of the unspoken reasons why I wasn't seeing the case against him was that he had no obvious defenders/deflectors in the thread (something which, in a game with so much potential cIV btsc to hide behind I would have suspected would allow baddies to be a little more bold in their defending). Once his role was revealed, I thought it VERYVERY odd that I ended up as the logical choice for his teammate (which, by virtue of my never seeing the case on him, I can understand that logic), and there are really no other clear choices for his defenders.....so perhaps his teamies weren't around? Perhaps he's been playing fairly solo? Perhaps that's why the thread locks happened at such random times, since he didn't have active teamies to plot and collab with??

I dunno....maybe that's way off the mark. But knowing what I know about my own alignment (which obvioisly you all are not privy to), this is kinda how I see that whole thing shaking out. Hence why, after some thought, I decided AP was likely get my vote today (Made is also an option, but my gut says AP)

Turnip Head wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I'm sad that we can't vote for RoxNip today, because I really am starting to think that they're badbad....but I guess there are still about 4 billion other baddies gleefully rolling about in the thread, so I guess I just have to decide which one to vote for.

Already? I tried to find what you are suspicious of Roxy for, Canuck, but I couldn't find it, you have barely mentioned her. Could you sum up why you feel this way, is there anything I can address? Because it feels like you're trying to get underneath my roots before I've had a chance to blossom. Just like you did the first time.

Who do you think might be MM's teammates Canuck? I couldn't find that either.

I have no idea who MM'ss teammates might be. Am I supposed to have an idea of this? Who do you think MM's teamies are?

I'm sorry you feel I'm stunting your growth, but such is the nature of being a transplant (or maybe a graft? I dunno what the better metaphor is, because plants hate me and die when I look at them. I am a botanical Medusa); you take on the shit (manure? fertilizer?) accrued by your previous incarnation. I have "barely" mentioned Rpxy but I have mentioned her, and I have been thinking/stewing about her as other people have brought their cases forward. Mafia is a dynamic game. Suspicions blossom, grow, develop, are stunted, take root, etc etc. Sometimes there is a text record of a person's evolving thoughts on other players, sometimes those changes play out behind the scenes. It's odd that you should seem to demand that their be documentation for every thought that goes through my muddled brain. Do you have the same standard for everyone? Or just for those of us most likely to be lynched today??

As for why I currently suspect you/Rox, I happen to not only trust Bass quite a bit, I happen to think his suggestions about Rox's behaviour are persuasive.

Anything else I can help you with?

Fuckballs. My phone is doing that weird thing again where the wrong smilies are showing up on my screen, so apologies if there are incongrous/non-senseical smileys appended to my posts....

Dom wrote:*votes Canuck*

Really? :bigsimpsin:

Ricochet wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I still don't get why we should lynch AP for doing little to nothing. Again. It's like saying the most inactive substitute for the most inactive player is the most likely baddie of all.

Flying under the radar is a tried and true mafia strategy. The civvies focus all their energy on the louder/more active people in the thread (because it is human nature to pay attention to those people, and because there is more substance there to build "cases" on), and the baddies lie low and go relatively unnoticed until the late game, when the numbers are so low tht they can't hide any more (like now) but by that point there's no way to make a real case against them because there's just nothing there (like now).

This is not to say that all low-participants are bad (that's obvioisly not the case), but flying under the radar is (for me at least) a point of suspicion rather than a reason to exonerate.

I fully understand the theory behind this and am not trying to exonerate AP or any of the low-liers; you may recall that I was gradually wary of Spacedaisy actually being such a player: busy in RL, occasionally online, yet unwilling to even pop in around here. This was the type of inactivity that seemed to me that potential teammates would also be ok with, while they act "louder/more active" in the thread.

What you said, however, doesn't really change what I meant: most inactive sub for most inactive player = most likely baddie. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't reach such a deduction right now.

Not to mention that I'm noticing how the two players who are (individually) suspects in a WIFOM nominate AP as their easy choice to make.

Also, AP, kindly address this. Or anything.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say or what you're trying to refute in regards to what I've said, since I've nowhere made the sort of insistent equation between "most inactive" and "most likely to be bad" that you seem to be commenting. I think we're talking past each other unhelpfully, so I'm gonna move on.

Yes, we're slightly not intersecting in our viewpoints, nevertheless

Canucklehead wrote: I think Sabie/Ap is my most likely vote today. I will NOT be voting for Bass, myself, SD/Vomps, or RoxNip (but only because I can't). All the rest of y'all are fair game.

Given that you also excluded four other players and given a pass to the rest, I have to take for granted that you imply AP deserves the vote the most. And, assuming you claim you're voting with good intentions, that you are voting for a baddie suspect and, thus, that AP is the "most likely baddie" for you.

Huh? What four players have I excluded?? If you're referring to the list of people I won't be voting for, one of them is me, one of them is not eligible, an two of them I happen to believe are very likely civ.....so yes. Of that group, I think AP is the most likely voteable person to be bad. What's the issue?

Dom wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Dom wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Just so we've got our semantics clear whilst we're catching up Ol' Nippy, let the record show tht I did not *defend* MM so much as I failed to see any compelling reason to vote for him. It's a subtle difference, but an important one.

I'm sad that we can't vote for RoxNip today, because I really am starting to think that they're badbad....but I guess there are still about 4 billion other baddies gleefully rolling about in the thread, so I guess I just have to decide which one to vote for.

I think Sabie/Ap is my most likely vote today. I will NOT be voting for Bass, myself, SD/Vomps, or RoxNip (but only because I can't). All the rest of y'all are fair game.

What changed from your previous post?

Canucklehead wrote:I'm least likely to vote for Rico, Dom, and Made today.

But I'm LEAST least likely to vote for Canucklehead, because she is a beautiful soul who means no one any harm.

Linki: Nippy's back! My delicious tubery pal! My arms and my teeth are open to you.

That's a radically different answer.

My first list was an off-the-top-of-my-head response to reading LC's question. My second was after actual thought on the matter.

So a totally different set of people?

Yes.

Ricochet wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I still don't get why we should lynch AP for doing little to nothing. Again. It's like saying the most inactive substitute for the most inactive player is the most likely baddie of all.

Flying under the radar is a tried and true mafia strategy. The civvies focus all their energy on the louder/more active people in the thread (because it is human nature to pay attention to those people, and because there is more substance there to build "cases" on), and the baddies lie low and go relatively unnoticed until the late game, when the numbers are so low tht they can't hide any more (like now) but by that point there's no way to make a real case against them because there's just nothing there (like now).

This is not to say that all low-participants are bad (that's obvioisly not the case), but flying under the radar is (for me at least) a point of suspicion rather than a reason to exonerate.

I fully understand the theory behind this and am not trying to exonerate AP or any of the low-liers; you may recall that I was gradually wary of Spacedaisy actually being such a player: busy in RL, occasionally online, yet unwilling to even pop in around here. This was the type of inactivity that seemed to me that potential teammates would also be ok with, while they act "louder/more active" in the thread.

What you said, however, doesn't really change what I meant: most inactive sub for most inactive player = most likely baddie. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't reach such a deduction right now.

Not to mention that I'm noticing how the two players who are (individually) suspects in a WIFOM nominate AP as their easy choice to make.

Also, AP, kindly address this. Or anything.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say or what you're trying to refute in regards to what I've said, since I've nowhere made the sort of insistent equation between "most inactive" and "most likely to be bad" that you seem to be commenting. I think we're talking past each other unhelpfully, so I'm gonna move on.

Dom wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Just so we've got our semantics clear whilst we're catching up Ol' Nippy, let the record show tht I did not *defend* MM so much as I failed to see any compelling reason to vote for him. It's a subtle difference, but an important one.

I'm sad that we can't vote for RoxNip today, because I really am starting to think that they're badbad....but I guess there are still about 4 billion other baddies gleefully rolling about in the thread, so I guess I just have to decide which one to vote for.

I think Sabie/Ap is my most likely vote today. I will NOT be voting for Bass, myself, SD/Vomps, or RoxNip (but only because I can't). All the rest of y'all are fair game.

What changed from your previous post?

Canucklehead wrote:I'm least likely to vote for Rico, Dom, and Made today.

But I'm LEAST least likely to vote for Canucklehead, because she is a beautiful soul who means no one any harm.

Linki: Nippy's back! My delicious tubery pal! My arms and my teeth are open to you.

That's a radically different answer.

My first list was an off-the-top-of-my-head response to reading LC's question. My second was after actual thought on the matter.

Ricochet wrote:I still don't get why we should lynch AP for doing little to nothing. Again. It's like saying the most inactive substitute for the most inactive player is the most likely baddie of all.

Flying under the radar is a tried and true mafia strategy. The civvies focus all their energy on the louder/more active people in the thread (because it is human nature to pay attention to those people, and because there is more substance there to build "cases" on), and the baddies lie low and go relatively unnoticed until the late game, when the numbers are so low tht they can't hide any more (like now) but by that point there's no way to make a real case against them because there's just nothing there (like now).

This is not to say that all low-participants are bad (that's obvioisly not the case), but flying under the radar is (for me at least) a point of suspicion rather than a reason to exonerate.

Just so we've got our semantics clear whilst we're catching up Ol' Nippy, let the record show tht I did not *defend* MM so much as I failed to see any compelling reason to vote for him. It's a subtle difference, but an important one.

I'm sad that we can't vote for RoxNip today, because I really am starting to think that they're badbad....but I guess there are still about 4 billion other baddies gleefully rolling about in the thread, so I guess I just have to decide which one to vote for.

I think Sabie/Ap is my most likely vote today. I will NOT be voting for Bass, myself, SD/Vomps, or RoxNip (but only because I can't). All the rest of y'all are fair game.

I'm least likely to vote for Rico, Dom, and Made today.

But I'm LEAST least likely to vote for Canucklehead, because she is a beautiful soul who means no one any harm.

Linki: Nippy's back! My delicious tubery pal! My arms and my teeth are open to you.

Long Con wrote:Because I'm not bad, and several of you are.

I'm not bad, either, but the problem is I really don't know who is. I've been so wrong about everyone I suspected, that maybe it's time to start suspecting the people I've trusted. Maybe you? Mate Dom, who has done little but ask deflecting questions all game? Maybe the players who were replaced because their baddie teammates were desperate to drop the dead weight of no-shows? I dunno. I'm lost.


I know my head is on the chopping block today, but I'm a civ and ice played like a civ (i.e. blindly and without success) the entire game.

Dom wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I think Rixy, or maybe LC, or maybemaybe old sabie/lizzy would be good for lynching today.

Why LC?

Why not?

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Everyone, guess what I'm doing right now? Guess! Guess!

Oscars.

Do I win a rezz?

Cheater. No rezz for you.

Since when is "knowing the answer" cheating?

I've been doing jeopardy wrong this whole time.

Technically, in Jeopardy you need to know the correct question

I think Rixy, or maybe LC, or maybemaybe old sabie/lizzy would be good for lynching today.

Dudes. I'm not bad. For realzies.

Vompatti wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Will you lend us your knowledge and intuition in catching the baddies?

If I had to toss a coin I'd mainly toss it at Roxy and Canucklehead.

Ouch. Careful, I have a severe copper allergy.

DFaraday wrote:I, for one, think that since Vomps is the active player his vote should count and not Daisy's.

I disagree with this notion for reasons that are completely objective and not at all self-serving.

S~V~S wrote:Unless Roxy says something supabad I plan to vote for Canuck again tomorrow. Especially if Faraday, A) comes up bad, and B) comes up on the team opposite MM.

If both A & B don't happen, I will reconsider, but just throwing this out there.

So if DF is a civ I'm in the clear?


I feeeeelll so conflicted!



P.S. Please don't lynch me

I voted DF b/c I'm gonna be afk for a good chunk of the day and didn't want to risk missing the vote, and he's my biggest suspish.

Here is a general announcement: Don't vote for me, friends! I am not the droids you're looking for! I just am bad at mafia this game!

More confident I'm bad, or more confident I'm good?

SVS, I'm in a tough spot. You're right that I have trouble distancing, but what your read of me doesn't take into account is that I'm also kinda terrible at reading people. I didn't want to vote MM, and I didn't want other people to vote MM, because I didn't understand the case on him, and didn't see it for myself, and no one took me up on my requests to sell me harder on their MM case (which is fine, it's not other people's job to do my work for me). I was wrong in my read of MM, just as Ive been wrong in my read of TH, just as I've been wrong in pretty much every read/vote I've done this game. Like I said earlier, it is very easy to make a case against me, because may crumbs are easily and reasonably interpretable as baddie actions....it's just that the truth behind the actions is something else entirely.

I honestly don't know how to defend myself in this situation, because I haven't really done anything to contribute to the civ cause (though I've obvoously tried), but I really do want to make a strong defense because I know that I'm one of what can ony be a handful of civs remaining. I'm not a baddie.
I wish you hadn't voted for me, and I reallyhipe the trend doesn't catch on.....but I don't blame you, lady. My track record (especially in re: MM) stinks to heaven.

S~V~S wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Canuck, I was referring to this post in particular:

Canucklehead wrote:Yeah, I have a feeling MM is a done deal at this point, but I'm going to vote for DF, too. I think he's trying waaaay to hard to stir shit up ("Hey guys! Isn't this thing weird? We should totally look closer at it because it's likely baddie behaviour but I'm being very careful not to say anything definitive or come down hard on one side or the other so that I can always backpedal if my pot stirring doesn't work out. I'm also not interested in providing thoughts on anything else that's going on or conversations that are happening, I really just want everyone to notice that I'm here and pointing out really suspicious things but not things that I'm personally willing to vote based on"....is totally how virtually all his posts read to me this game).

It reads to me as if you were referencing both of my topics of discussion (LC and the thread lock). It seemed like you were writing off both as simply pot-stirring attempts, which is why I referenced you in regards to the thread lock.

OK, that makes sense. I thought you (and SVS) were referring to the things I said directly in response to the thread lock. My bad!

In the comment you quote, I was mainly referring to your discussion of LC/llama's death as the pot-stirring. The thread lock wasn't really in my mind at the time, I don't think.

Anywho. Thanks for clarifying.

I was talking about your response to the thread lock.

Ok. So my question still stands.

Thanks for the info about Bass.

Dom wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Didn't Vomps just replace Roxy??

And Bass is on my list for extreme low-lying, which I pointed out a few days ago.

How much have you played with Bass?

Dunno. Probably not much, if at all.

DFaraday wrote:Canuck, I was referring to this post in particular:

Canucklehead wrote:Yeah, I have a feeling MM is a done deal at this point, but I'm going to vote for DF, too. I think he's trying waaaay to hard to stir shit up ("Hey guys! Isn't this thing weird? We should totally look closer at it because it's likely baddie behaviour but I'm being very careful not to say anything definitive or come down hard on one side or the other so that I can always backpedal if my pot stirring doesn't work out. I'm also not interested in providing thoughts on anything else that's going on or conversations that are happening, I really just want everyone to notice that I'm here and pointing out really suspicious things but not things that I'm personally willing to vote based on"....is totally how virtually all his posts read to me this game).

It reads to me as if you were referencing both of my topics of discussion (LC and the thread lock). It seemed like you were writing off both as simply pot-stirring attempts, which is why I referenced you in regards to the thread lock.

OK, that makes sense. I thought you (and SVS) were referring to the things I said directly in response to the thread lock. My bad!

In the comment you quote, I was mainly referring to your discussion of LC/llama's death as the pot-stirring. The thread lock wasn't really in my mind at the time, I don't think.

Anywho. Thanks for clarifying.

My bad. Vomps replaced SD.

I think Roxy asked for a replacement, though? Maybe?
Gah. I'm so confused! I need to write myself a cheat-sheet of who has replaced who.

Didn't Vomps just replace Roxy??

And Bass is on my list for extreme low-lying, which I pointed out a few days ago.

S~V~S wrote:Well, perhaps he misread it the way I did

But when he said that I knew exactly what he was referring to.

SVS, I was in the middle of posting a response to this when the thread got locked.

I'm curious as to why you and DF (and he can obviously offer his thoughts, too) both assumed that my comments after the first threadlock match up with the interpretation DF cites here:

DFaraday wrote:
Because when I tried to investigate the circumstances surrounding the Boll thread lock, you reacted as if that was a shady thing to do. I wonder if you don't want anyone looking into it.

......because I went back and looked at my comments in the context of the first thread lock, and not only was DF not around (or at least not posting) at all when I made the comment about waiting for Mod approval before posting/voting, I said absolutely nothing in response to DF's next post, which I assume is what his earlier quote was referring to

DFaraday wrote:

Black Rock wrote: RIP Made. I am certain the baddies locked the thread when three civvies were tied at one vote each, giving them a free lynch. I would have probably voted Made if I could have just because the other two I am certain are civvie and I had no idea if he was or not.

That was my thinking as well. Although I wouldn't necessarily say that the three who were tied were civvie, simply that they are not Hacks. I am leaning civ on MM at this point, though.

.....so I'm a little mystified by your and DF's equation of my thread-lock comments to me "reacting as if investigating the thread lock was a shady thing to do". Help!

(sorry if this is a convoluted post......I tried to make myself clear, but it was a confusing series of posts that led to SVS' agreement with DF's misreading of me....)

(.....aaaaaand my clarifying post script is just as unclear as the rest of this post. Phooey.)

Dom wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Rereading a few people, I would like to hear more from Canuck about why she was so sure MM was not bad.

I was never sure he was not bad. I just never saw what other people saw that made them think he was bad. I did a pretty thorough read through of MM's posts and saw absolutely nothing there that would lead me to suspect him. He read like a civ to me. He fooled me.

Who are you looking at in the wake of this, then?

I'm still suspicious of DFaraday, I'd be willing to vote for Bass, and, though I'd actually been reading her as civ most of the game, I was beginning to get itchy about Roxy before she was replaced, but now I'm not sure if what was pinging me in the tone of her posts was simply due to whatever RL issues caused her to need replacing....and since we can't vote for her/Vomps today anyway, it's kind of a moot point for now and I can think on it a little more.
Basically, I have no fucking clue. I have been dead wrong about every single lynch and suspect I've had. My inclination, then, is to assume I've just got everything backwards this game and start going after the people I've been trusting most (Rico, SVS, LC), or start voting along with my biggest suspect (DF). Another huge issue I'm having is that there's a fat chunk of people who are very middling for me, and who I have no read on whatsoever, even thought it's Day Freaking 8 (you're included in this No Idea group, Dom, as are most of the remaining players).

So yeah. I'm useless and have no ideas.

linki: I don't deny defending MM (or at the very least, opposing his lynch...which I suppose amounts to the same thing) and it is obviously understandable that people are going to be looking very closely at me today, which I expect. But I promise you that if you lynch me, you lynch yet another civ. I think the baddies will push for my lynch today because it will be an easy sell (which is not to say that anyone who suspects me is bad, because I concur that there are reasonable grounds for suspecting me), but I hope that whatever civvies DO remain alive think carefully about this lynch and see me for the veryvery terrible civvie that I am. I have not played well this game, but I am a civ.

linki2: that's odd.

S~V~S wrote:Rereading a few people, I would like to hear more from Canuck about why she was so sure MM was not bad.

I was never sure he was not bad. I just never saw what other people saw that made them think he was bad. I did a pretty thorough read through of MM's posts and saw absolutely nothing there that would lead me to suspect him. He read like a civ to me. He fooled me.

Looks like I'm on the wrong side of history yet again. Sigh.
Sorry I got fooled by MM, but for the record I still think DF is bad, too.


[it] What are you in tech for, Dom??! Tech week is simultaneously my most loved and most reviled part if any production. It is also when I drink the most, so I do expect to see some humorous drunk posts from you sometime soon [/ot]

S~V~S wrote:You seemed kinda upset that people were voting when the thread was accidentally unlocked iirc

Upset is a strong characterization, but yeah, I wanted to double check that SD's unlocki g of the thread was Ok'd by the host before proceeding. That had very little to do with in-game stuff, however, and was more about making sure the game was still on track. It had absolutely nothing to do with DF, at all, which is why I'm confused by his statement.

DFaraday wrote:Ugh, my mistake, that was Canuck, not you. I was conflating both of your suspicions of me into one amorphous mass, apparently. I retract my Hack statement, but nothing else.

I did? When did I do that?

Yeah, I have a feeling MM is a done deal at this point, but I'm going to vote for DF, too. I think he's trying waaaay to hard to stir shit up ("Hey guys! Isn't this thing weird? We should totally look closer at it because it's likely baddie behaviour but I'm being very careful not to say anything definitive or come down hard on one side or the other so that I can always backpedal if my pot stirring doesn't work out. I'm also not interested in providing thoughts on anything else that's going on or conversations that are happening, I really just want everyone to notice that I'm here and pointing out really suspicious things but not things that I'm personally willing to vote based on"....is totally how virtually all his posts read to me this game).