The Syndicate

awesome. Thanks, baddies.

Made wrote:Rereading Rico and Th. This late in the game, i don't think we avoid blind spots decision. Everyone else should do the same (same as in analyze blind spots and see if anything is there. whomever that be.)

I think this is good advice. I have at least some level of suspicion of everyone at this point (how can I not??), but I think my "blind spots" are Dom and LC, who I've been assuming are civ for several days now (because it fits my guesses on who the baddies are), and because they have more or less agreed with me on certain things. At this point, though, if I've placed my trust erroneously, I'm not really sure that it's recoverable.

Finding out TH's alignment will, I hope, make a lot of things much clearer.....but there's a not so unlikely possibility that finding out TH's alignment will actually just end the game and hand the win to the baddies.

I reallyreally hope that's not the case, and I don't THINK it will be (which is why I didn't hesitate to repeat my vote for him), but I am hyper aware that I could be being played by either or both LC and Dom.

Just gotta wait and see.....and bite away what remains of my fingernails.

Where you voting, Made?

Turnip Head wrote:Well, I didn't kill Vompatti. And in my defense, he said he didn't care which one of us got lynched first between me and Canuck. He only hopped on the TH bandwagon yesterday because it had the necessary steam behind it. Maybe Canuck killed him because she didn't think she could keep him in line forever?

When have I, or anyone else for that matter, had Vompatti in line?!

Have you met Vompatti??

Lines aren't exactly his thing.

I'm not a dumb civ, just a frequently mistaken one.
And I don't say "y'all" because I'm Canadian, eh?

*votes TH*

Vompatti wrote:It seems to me you've avoided a lynch once or twice under mysterious circumstances.

I think the circumstances weren't all that mysterious, actually. It was just my infectious charm and enviable ability to make people see reason.

We should definitely lynch TH first, because he is bad and I am not.

Why are you suspicious of me, Vompatti?

Query: how did TH get to ten posts so fast? Who was helping make sure that there were no double posts so they all counted?? That seems like a good place to look for some teamies working together to make sure the big prize went to them...

Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:As much as I'd like to believe we're all one big happy civ family... somebody is lying.
A few someones-- one of them is very likely you.
Another one might be Canuck
Another might be Made
I'm still on the fence about LC.

I think the liars are most likely TH, probably Made, maybe Rico, and ???

Holy crumoly, people. I'm not bad! It is 100% real life baffling to me that you all can't see that. I think I've been so blatantly civ (read: outrageously wrong and confused) this game that there couldn't, at this stage, be any doubt.
Either some of you are pulling a very successful smear campaign, or you're all drunk.

[quote="Ricochet"]LC didn't say a single word about you between Day 5 and 9, Canuck. Among the first things he said after finally mentioning you (or, rather, replying to questions he was asked about you) was "I'm still on the fence about Canuck" and "wait guys, what does Canuck have to do with SVS' kill". His votes in the Day 6 to 8 were DF, DF and DF. So yeah, he didn't need to throw you under the bus, because the suspicions on DF developed well enough to have payed off when it was between him and you on Day 8.
/quote]

Is this a response to my post about trusting LC? Or just a restatement of your theory that we're teammates?

Made wrote:
Canucklehead wrote: But I have chosen to trust him at this late stage in the game, and it may very well be my downfall, but sometimes you gotta take a risk, and at this point I'm more comfortable with the unknown quantity that is LC than the REALLY unknown quantity that is Lizzie/Made.
This is my 5th day back, That was enough to feel like there was enough information to get me voted the first time. What make me more mysterious this time around?
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Huh? This is a very odd comparison you're trying to set up.
LC has been active and playing since day 1, due to his being a participant and also not dying.
Made 1.0 is not relevant to this question so far as I can see, and I'm pretty sure I didn't vote for you then, but regardless, at that point everyone was 5 days old, so you were equally as knowable as everyone else.
Made 2.0 is an unknown quantity because his predecesor in the role posted maybe once the entire game. So while everyone else has 11 full and busy game days worth of stuff to judge on, Made 2.0 has 5....and those 5 aren't particularly revealing, given that they're mostly loooong pages of quotes and little engagement in back and forths.

Ricochet wrote:Also, the lesson Canuck learned from her own AWOL theory, after thinking the most inactive player must be bad and he flipped civ, is that the second most inactive player must be bad. At least I'm getting no other reasoning from her, prior to her nominating TH or Made as possible lynches today, other than a post in which she reacted to Made building a case on her.

Think I'm at 8.

What? Do you read my posts like, ever? What "lesson" are you referring to? Since when is TH the "second most inactive player"? I've given reasons for suspecting TH since he replaced in, and agreed with Bass's suspicion of Rox before he died. Suspicions have long lives. They don't just magically fabricate themselves each morning (unless you're a baddie) and thus don't really require restatement each day.
This whole post is just blatant misinformation and confusing, tbh.

LC could very well be snowing me. He does it all the time. He could just be feigning agreement with me in order to gain my trust, knowing that I'm much more likely to trust those who carry the same suspicions I do. If so, he's doing a damn fine job of it and deserves the win. But honestly, that seems like a fuckton of work to put into gaining the trust of a single player who only a few days ago was a surefire lynch candidate. It doesn't make a lot of sense from a baddie POV, when abandoning me and getting me lynched would be a WAAAY easier and way faster way to burn through the civs.
I could be wrong about LC, I often am.

But I have chosen to trust him at this late stage in the game, and it may very well be my downfall, but sometimes you gotta take a risk, and at this point I'm more comfortable with the unknown quantity that is LC than the REALLY unknown quantity that is Lizzie/Made.

Dom gets a ticket on my trust wagon, too, because he's been damn consistent and playing a very odd game for a baddie. Also, he's more or less agreed with my main suspicions of late, so yeah. Those are the two I've thrown my lot in with. Vomps gets a pass because I'm 95% sure he's not a Hack, and have a strong feeling he's not a bro.

That means the rest of y'all are likely bad.That's just how the cookie crumbles.

I don't think a win is in the cards for me this game, and that's fine because the civs have really been mostly atrocious (me in particular), but I'm not ready to just give up and hand it to the baddies.

Made wrote:Hello friends, sorry for my absence. School is very quickly becoming "a bitch" as the kid say. That said, I made a commitment to play and i plan to keep it. Starting here:
Turnip Head wrote:TurnipHead 2.0
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Dom (6), Long Con (7), Canucklehead (8) 38%

Ladies and gentlemen, The Brotherhood? They seem awfully quick to get this over with. Maybe they're about to win. Oh well. I don't care anymore. Get me outta here.
Pretty much where i am at this point. I don't like this little team/possy that seems to be forming, especially this late in the game, especially considering i don't trust any of them, especially since they all voted together. Like let's put i this way: we have yet to lynch a baddie since MM, and you all, especially Canuck and LC, trust each other this much? This does not sit right with me in the slightest. And i feel all other players should look at this also.

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Who are you putting this show on for, Made? Rico is probably your teamie, Vomps isn't likely to be swayed by reason other than his own whim, TH is dead meat, and the rest of us have voted. Just setting up for tomorrow? Trying to sow dissension so that we don't lynch you next??

My "trust" for Dom and LC is provisional at best. Currently, they seem the most interested in finding baddies, and the least likely to be baddies. The latter also holds true for Vomps. I am by no means certain of my instincts here, but at this point in the game with the numbers breaking down how they are, one has to choose allies and choose to trust. It's a risk that has to be taken, and I've thrown my lot in with these two.

We'll see how it all plays out.

10!!

Dom wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:Yeah, getting a bro would've been nicer (and I actually have you pencilled in as bro not Hack, but I obviously could be wrong) since tonight is a Bro kill night....but I'm happy to end the Hack team, too, if that's what ends up happening when you die.

The Civs are in dire straits, regardless...
Why do you think he is a Brother?

Random guessing that I did last night, plus his recent accusation of us three as bros.

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My current baddie breakdown is TH as te last Hack, and Made and Rico (?) as the two remaining bros. this is based purely on gut.

^^ 8? Or 9? Let's go with 8

Yeah, getting a bro would've been nicer (and I actually have you pencilled in as bro not Hack, but I obviously could be wrong) since tonight is a Bro kill night....but I'm happy to end the Hack team, too, if that's what ends up happening when you die.

The Civs are in dire straits, regardless...

I voted RoxNips, too. Hopefully we're right and not fucked.....

Yeah, I think TH has done an amazeballs job of turning what (for me, at least) was going to be a certain vote for Roxy in the day or so after she got replaced, into some serious reconsideration.....but in the end, the numbers are too low for me to keep giving him the benefit of the doubt. I think he's bad. I think Made is probably bad. And I'm beginning to worry that Rico is also bad.
I'd like to vote TH or Made today.

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Dom wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
Dom wrote:LC can you clear up what you're confused about?
He's confused about how an easy Canuck lynch in which he could continue t follow along unnoticed was so rapidly turned around, in the process making him look rather opportunistic.
So, you're suspicious of LC?

Not any more than I'm suspicious of pretty much everyone at this point. I was mostly just needling him

Dom wrote:LC can you clear up what you're confused about?

He's confused about how an easy Canuck lynch in which he could continue t follow along unnoticed was so rapidly turned around, in the process making him look rather opportunistic.

My remarks were more meta than directed at this instance, though they were catalyze do by this instance....so I probably should have done it in green, but I wasn't sure.

Again, I really did respect and admire how you handled it, and am kicking myself for failing to follow through on my intentions to make that clear in my post.

Turnip Head wrote:Also, while we're talking about the kosherness of dead players subbing back in, while I agree it can be problematic, I think I was very careful to use things that TH1.0 said and did in the thread only. I don't think I used anything that only TH1.0 would have known in private.

Clearly.

Yes! I actually for realzies intended to include in my post a sentence congratulating you on navigating a tricky task INCREDIBLY well, and not taking the easy way out. Super duper apologies for leaving it out in my haste to post!

Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
Mongoose wrote:@ TurnipHead - Target the subsequent night.
oh
Hence why I felt my "..." post was on-topic. :P

Lulz

^^That was for Dom....

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Mongoose wrote:@ TurnipHead - Target the subsequent night.

Long Con wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:What do you think of my case on Canucklehead, LC?

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I like it very much. I had forgotten about that early stuff happening. Very good digging, TH 2.0!

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Seriously?

Read the next page, LC.

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EBWOP: 2

Turnip Head wrote:I know it is too. Mongoose just confirmed it. I feel like an idiot. Sorry Canuck

You could still be bad though

I just have no idea anymore.

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This is a seriously odd/problematic situation. Are you suggesting that TH 1.0 didn't know how his own role worked? An never asked, even when the hubbub you quoted was going on?
I guess you can't really answer this, since you're not TH 1.0 anymore.....but you DO actually know the answer to this, which makes this a messy situation, and is one of the reasons that I'm not a fan of dead players subbing back into a game. [/otish] Even though you were killed as a civvie, you still have knowledge from your former role that others aren't privvy to, and that is affecting things right now. TH 1.0 could've been honestly confused, or TH 2.0 could be trying to be manipulative/sow confusion....and it's very thorny b/c you can't unknow what you knew as Waters, but you also can't publcly own that knowledge.
It's immaterial here, I suppose, since your suspicion didn't pan out....but it's something worth considering for future games, I think. Dead players replacing in just doesn't seem particularly kosher to me....

But I digress.

My question is: why didn't you bring this point about me up earlier?! Honestly, if you believed it to be true its kinda a big deal, and not something I would expect any civ to keep to themselves. Were you just waitin for a moment when the thread seemed more succeptible to ring lead into a lynch of me?

Turnip Head wrote:What do you think of my case on Canucklehead, LC?

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I'll respond to this!
I think it's bunk

But seriously. It's bunk. I know it.

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Vompatti wrote:Could someone explain why you didn't just vote Canuck and then Turnip as would have been logical? I'm not saying the A Person vote didn't make any sense at all but cereal-coated donut hole stuffed with milk icing.

Because Canuck isn't bad. As for TH,

Just a bad call, I guess.

And I have no clue about your last sentence, but thanks for your insight.

Sorry, AP. There go my hopes for a first-ever TS win.

Sooooooo.....I'm guessing the chances of moving to a 24/24 schedule after this are pretty low, eh?

I voted AP, for all thee reasons I've been yammering on about, and because people I trust did so, and I beleive in solidarity.

Vompatti wrote:I see no reason not to *vote for Canuck* again.

Lulz.

Holy shit I'm terrible at endgame. I've now convinced myself that RoxNips and Rico are teamies.

...which leads me to ask: who is it more important to get rid of today, an MM teamie (who I bleieve to be either AP or Made)? Or someone from the other team (RoxNips or Rico)?

LC, Dom, Vomps (and others, but I'll take everyone else's opinions with a large salt lick at this point): What are the obvious holes in these teamie assumptions? What am I stupidly overlooking? We need o get this right today, and we need to be unified.

The main reason Vomps is at the bottom of my replacement/low poster suspicion/theory is due to Daisy's thread unlock mishap. That seemed super genuine, and I think excludes her/him from being an MM teammate, and I think makes being on the other baddie team unlikely, since baddies are (imo) much more likely to be chatting btsc about roles/powers/threats etc, making it odd (but I suppose not impossible, esp if other teammates were non-participators) for Daisy to have missed that.

Isadora Duncan was also an actress? Huh. Colour me surprised. #ThingsIDidntLearnInDanceHistoryClass

Long Con wrote:I'm willing to come to a majority consensus on any of those three, and I will vote later so as to avoid any voting spread crappiness like last lynch. :nod:

Also, I really agree that we need to find a consensus......unforunately, I just don't exactly know precisely who I feel comfortable being in consensus WITH.....

AP is a crapshoot, because there's little to go on post-wise, from either Sabie or her reincarnation....so that just leaves pure speculation (which I'm certainly not opposed to engaging in!

)

Nips is tough. I was definitely willing to agree with Bass' suspicions of Rox, but after yesterday I honestly can't decide if his actions make me waaay more or waaaay less suspcious of TH....I'm currently leaning towards more, but I will admit to being a little gun shy because of my uber failure to read TH in his previous incarnation.

What about Rico? I've been feeling civ from him allll game......but I do have a niggling terror in the back of my brain that he's just fucking schooled us all this entire game.

Yep, those are my top three as well, with a sprinkling of Dom mixed in there for good measure (though his consistency of style despite me nagging him about it repeatedly does actually make me feel a little better about him....).

For some reason Made 2.0 felt civ to me when he first jumped back in (maybe its just because he was actually participating/posting?), but his whirlwind of extensive reading and quoting and such yesterday (and then voting for none of the people he spent the day reading and building suspicions on) was odd....even for Made.

Sooooooo.........

Who needs to die today?

Fuckpants. I definitely had Bass as a civ.

So. Today's question, boys and girls, is whether I stick with my gut (and Bass's) and vote RoxNip, move forward with my Team MM + AWOL hypothesis and vote Made or AP, or vote Dom for being cheeky and trying to get me lynched yesterday.

Thoughts?

I mean, there's the whole "painting targets on the backs of civvies" chestnut....but if the baddies don't have a damn good inkling of who the civvies are by now, then they're doing it wrong, tbqh.

Why can't we talk about who we think is who?? Is that kinda how to mafia?

Chronology! It matters!

I don't think there are many of you left, but keep fighting, civs.......even though we've been absolutely shit all game.

I have to vote LC.

Sorry, my friend, but I don't have a choice.

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