The Syndicate

Ebwop: "more harm than good, I won't." The this in "dropped this" refers to me dopping the case against Dom...

Made has got two votes already? Why ? Because his perception of Dom is different to others? We all see people differently. This is a poor and weak reason to vote for him which is simply following the trend we have set so far for this game. No because he lied about my behavior. even If I were mafia, this wouldn't work twice :p I've underestimated how much time robotics would take, I am able to keep up, but I can't post nearly as much as I would like to. As for reads at this point... I have a lot of civvie reads I feel confident in, which is rare for me. As posting list of people who you trust imo might do more harm than good. Made has got two votes already? Why ? Because his perception of Dom is different to others? We all see people differently. This is a poor and weak reason to vote for him which is simply following the trend we have set so far for this game. No because he lied about my behavior. The reason I dropped this was because I forgot doctor who. I don't think about games where I'm mafia like how I think about games where I'm civvie; I was too wrapped up in my team to focus on baddie hunting. As for It's sticking out like a sore thumb in my head that simple doesn't make sense. Why do we care so much that Ambray was the first to vote FZ? Is there more background or context that i'm just overlooking? It isn't arguable that Mp was the driving force behind FZ's lynch. Are people who are throwing Ambray's name around contesting that? Current reads, I'm really mixed on MP, It's interesting, how now that i have actually have bases to make an argument against him, he seems civvie. As DF described, he seems like his eccentric self. I think it's too early to lynch him if there's an alternative. My lead going into this day was Llama, so :( I'm not seeing a solid case against Bass due to how much that weighed on FZ being mafia. Dom is reading Civvie, which is terrifying because normally he reads blank. He's far more helpful and seemingly rational than normal imo. Hedgie and BWT should say more words :srsnod: How have I been helpful tis game? I literally didn't post for like any of Day 2? He is making shit up. I think I posted this after a few post you had about MP. They were helpful, so I said you were helpful this game. I was just trying to give reads on people to progress the game. Regardless I dropped the read on you because the views in it were valid. Agreeing with Ambray, we need to look at quieter players. At this point, assuming say hedgie or Kate or boogs were Mafia, I'm not sure we have enough post to determine this. Think I said everything I wanted to say, this was posted from my phone and kinda is a train of consciousness thing, so appologize for any redundantcy, or grammar errors hopefully I'll be back some time tomorrow before the vote to say something meaningful, but no promises, expect a vote at the least....

Alright so let's start the day with leads, who is everyone the most suspicious of? I'm on my cellphone atm so and need to re-read some stuff, but rest assure, the reads are on their way...

Voting Deej, got Robotics a competition, so i'll be out of town till sunday, and not sure how often i'll be able to check it. That said, i'm addicted to Mafia, so whenever i have an internet connections i'll probably be online, so just in case, posting this...

Well I guess I voting snow dog. I think everyone who is voting for me needs to be looked at next lynch. the first part of this one isn't a no you, but a save. The second part, however i'd consider a no u. Switched my vote to Boogs for now since BWT showed up. Here's hoping it gets Boogs to talk. :noble: I've expressed I would be busy this week being out of town already Sockman. I will swap my vote to you also in return :p I'm not going to be back before the poll closes, so I'll just go ahead and vote Made because his comment about Dom was both inaccurate and seemed like he was attempting to instigate suspicion of Dom. not a no u, but imo fits the spirit of no u: voting for even considering that someone is mafia. Alright, really tho gtg, night y'all :coffee3...

So you think I've had a lack of participation this game? Don't understand what you are asking here. And it was a defense of Ambray from you. So you trust the 3 people who have lynched civvies gtk. What no u's??? Not you, but in general this game due to real life circumstances has be relatively quiet. I wasn't sure if something came up and you (or anyone for that matter) couldn't play today because of that. Honestly, I feel like not lynch mafia till like day 4 or 5 is pretty normal. If it isn't, what is? Civvies lynch civvies too. I'm not going to be blinded by trust, but Civvies can't win without it and they are reading best for me atm. This is why i hope that tomorrow, i can get some perspective from who thinks who is bad and find more people to trust, or remove unwarranted trust. (it should be noted that the reason i'm listing these people is because they were mentioned above, not because they're the only people, or even all people i trust trust ) No u's on the way, there's a few that stick out in my head, but give me a sec.. the no you, and what ever linki i reply to in that post is going to have to be the last i post tonight, HW and other boring irl ish...

I am sure I do not understand the following: Not one person mentioned me being quiet - ergo - silenced. or just not participating, with the lack of discussion in general, that's not shocking. Why you would follow anything Ambray, MP or Snow say since they have led or helped lynch 3 consecutive civs. After the FZ fiasco I am quite literally shocked that you all went after Bass. Having only found one baddie in my entire mafia career, I'm not very shocked. It feels normal. what is normal for mafia lynches anyways? Why no one thought it was weird how Made out of the blue defended Ambray from accusations that only one person mentioned and not one vote her way. Very strange considering it was unsolicited and she was not the topic of discussion. It wasn't a defense, it was a genuine question that no one answered ._. AND ANOTHER THING can we stop the no yous? So many this game. And while it's not a mafia only tactic, it's helping mafia by discouraging making arguments, stunting discussion...

I am sure I do not understand the following: Not one person mentioned me being quiet - ergo - silenced. or just not participating, with the lack of discussion in general, that's not shocking. Why you would follow anything Ambray, MP or Snow say since they have led or helped lynch 3 consecutive civs. After the FZ fiasco I am quite literally shocked that you all went after Bass. Having only found one baddie in my entire mafia career, I'm not very shocked. It feels normal. what is normal for mafia lynches anyways? Why no one thought it was weird how Made out of the blue defended Ambray from accusations that only one person mentioned and not one vote her way. Very strange considering it was unsolicited and she was not the topic of discussion. It wasn't a defense, it was a genuine question that no one answered ._. Open your eyes civvies - do not follow people who only have led lynches against civvies this game. To be fair, what other arguments were there yesterday? Snow? He changed opinions and so people wanted his head. By the time my name was even mentioned, we were 6 votes deep on Bass. If we're going to catch mafia, we need more discussion and more names. At this point I at least kinda trust Ambray, Mp, and Snow. What i think instead is going on is a quiet mafia, or at least passive one. I mean It's hard to find and kill people when new ideas are immediately rejected, by all active voices. that's what I feel happened yesterday. My point? We need to go into Day 4 with an open mind, get an idea of how everyone feel about everyone else so we can smother mafia's influence with sheer volume of new leads: especially from less talkative people...

If i'm correct, this is a rezzie poll, as the number of people dead equals the number of racers/options. Assuming there based on order, who would be the most helpful to bring back...

I read a few things earlier by DF that cricked my brow, but...and I hate to say it....it would rely on Bass coming back bad. :p I'm going to put my vote there, because I do think that MP was genuinely onto something and I didn't think the case on Bass was connected to FZ honestly, the case on Bass was that it looked like he slipped up by knowing who was targeted for the NK. ^ main reason I changed my tune. I thought they had to be linked honestly because everyone was voting for FZ. The key's in my phrasing, "i'm not seeing". When Ambray pointed this out, I reread to confirm my understanding was correct, and it wasn't. I rather be wishywashy than wrong for consistency's sake. linki: poop :rip...

Made if I do get lynched for this and come back civ you can put "Bass > Made" in your sig . I'm not going to pretend that the argument against you is air-tight- the best argument evar (or that you're better than me). It's just this is the strongest argument against anyone in the game right now. I think the first thing we do night3/day 4 is to give reads on all players to figure out where we are, what names are slipping through the cracks, so that more meaningful discussion can occur...

Well I guess I voting snow dog. I think everyone who is voting for me needs to be looked at next lynch. Did you speak at all about the accusation MP gave to you? I think you did, but please refresh me: did you know it was MP who was targeted? Did you know DFaraday could have been the target? I didn't know who was targeted . I said MP's name because he had votes and was being talked about. That's why I bought him up. I said he could be the civvie role that can survive night kills. I also went on to say I didn't want to see either Mp or Df get lynched because of that. The last part of this message is misleading. After being confronted, you stated this, not before the issue was brought up. I really don't understand why someone would conclude I was the one targeted. Bass and FZ.'s most recent posts really don't make me reconsider my perception of my observation. Bass, the thing is: It was not made public whether DF or I survived the NK. So why would you say you think I'm civvie SOLELY based on the NK survival and you have no opinion of DF, even though it was not made public which one of us was the target? FZ., I have NEVER seen a game on this site where there was a possibility of two different targets for the NK survival. It's certainly an interesting way to write it. But I can't recall anyone doing this, let alone Epig or Elo. And don't worry, you didn't offend me, but now that you're implying I'm either paranoid or baddie, instead of logically refuting my observation, makes me wonder. Especially so since you haven't said a word about my Bass observations. You are reading way to much into my post .I wouldn't lynch you or DF because of last nights post. MP even directly asked you how you felt about DF, to which you said: Bass, what do you think of DFaraday? I really don't have a read on him yet. What do you think of him? Either you didn't have a read, or you didn't plan to vote for him because of the night post. Claiming both is a contradiction...

No but this happened. Wait... rite... MP was likely targeted for a kill... so it's less likely he's bad? Probably, yeah (except that I know I'm civvie :p ). I'd just think that since MP is often an early target, maybe Bass just assumed it would be MP and not me. Voting Bass. It's the strongest lead we have as it stands...

I didn't mean to insult with my comment, it's just whenever i play with Dom, I feel as if he's both mysterious and intentionally aloof, this game, not so much. In the 3 or 4 games i've played with Dom, i've never felt this way about him, and i thought that was worth noting :shrug: As MR brought up, it's kinda weird that you changed your vote so fast, considering your vocal view on MP. linki- <3 snow.... You played Doctor Who, right? ... seriously... you would call me aloof? I would call myself aloof THIS GAME.[/quote] Oh yeah, forgot about that game, and above about MP noted. -wait, that was the game we went at each other hard wasn't it. disregard everything i've said re:dom, omg...

Well I'm probably voting Ambray or bass or possibly DF for his hit and run vote on Made While I also found this weird, It's consistent with seeming dislike new names being brought to the table (See remarks Re:DF) Erm by DF, Re:B...

Well I'm probably voting Ambray or bass or possibly DF for his hit and run vote on Made While I also found this weird, It's consistent with seeming dislike new names being brought to the table (See remarks Re:DF...

I didn't mean to insult with my comment, it's just whenever i play with Dom, I feel as if he's both mysterious and intentionally aloof, this game, not so much. In the 3 or 4 games i've played with Dom, i've never felt this way about him, and i thought that was worth noting :shrug: As MR brought up, it's kinda weird that you changed your vote so fast, considering your vocal view on MP. linki- <3 snow......

It's sticking out like a sore thumb in my head that simple doesn't make sense. Why do we care so much that Ambray was the first to vote FZ? Is there more background or context that i'm just overlooking? It isn't arguable that Mp was the driving force behind FZ's lynch. Are people who are throwing Ambray's name around contesting that? Current reads, I'm really mixed on MP, It's interesting, how now that i have actually have bases to make an argument against him, he seems civvie. As DF described, he seems like his eccentric self. I think it's too early to lynch him if there's an alternative. My lead going into this day was Llama, so :( I'm not seeing a solid case against Bass due to how much that weighed on FZ being mafia. Dom is reading Civvie, which is terrifying because normally he reads blank. He's far more helpful and seemingly rational than normal imo. Hedgie and BWT should say more words :srsnod...

Also, another thought...What if Mafia/Chick can only attack pits rather than the individuals in them? rereading the front page to see if that's even possible Based on wording, this isn't likely. Also, no correlation between amount of post and Current rank/time that i could find anyway...

Also, another thought...What if Mafia/Chick can only attack pits rather than the individuals in them? rereading the front page to see if that's even possibl...

I'm going out on a limb and assuming Chick thought Llama was mafia. Assuming the above is correct, would Chick target llama during the day? A second question, does it matter yet? I mean if s/he baddie hunting, they're an asset until all mafia are dead...

Maybe Roxy gets to be Frank So Roxy, Frank, would catch Winner of this poll and maybe find out their role? plausible, but iunno. In Cars video games, and Cars the movie they never say what happens to people who are found by frank, the just say don't get caught. I think a punishment is more likely than a direct interaction anyways as Dinoco and Frank have no link in Cars...

Also wait, Roxy, have I ever seen you as civvie...

Prediction: this poll will result in more votes or a silence for the day/ lost of a vote. Now that i think about it tho, I wonder what roxy got, if anything, because i expect this poll to parallel that previous. Maybe Roxy and the "Winner" of this poll will interact some how...

I'm not liking how spread out these votes are. While i'd much rather go llama, going M...

If FZ flips civ I am coming hard after all you FZ voters when I get back to DC, especially Ambray. Ok, second person to mention Ambray as if she's an oracle or something. She's not even on my radar tbh, should she be? Voting F...

Also, Made, if so: what elements of Llama's behavior strike similar chords for you? How would you succinctly describe his baddie playstyle? Left this open, but never replied, so linki here we go. The play that reminds me of his mafia is his jokes (which i say are normal) but normally they're followed by accusation, this game, not as much. Given as of recent (last post i saw of him) he was accusing, but only after i pointed out his lack. Llama in Monty seemed more aggressive, Llama in LoZ seemed more passive. linki- FZ v Bass is interesting. Just a thought, imo FZ seems far more invested in the game than Bass, could we kill him instead? More seems to ride on bass anyways. (his "slip" vs her lack of logic) Does MP feel a little colder/less rash than usual to anyone else? Might just be wanting to survive past day 2, but iunno. rereading BR is there anything innately wrong with vote switching/ is it even relevant? And it's either linki or time out... i'll post this eventually tho...

Maybe I'm just getting paranoid, but that question sort of bothered me, FZ. It seemed to indicate to me you don't care which one of them gets lynched. It's more of that I don't really know which one. llama gave me a bad feeling from the first day, but people keep saying he's an easy lynch because he's like that, so I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong, and with BR, it's that one post, which really pinged me, but it's one thing. So neither is like a sure thing. I'd rather you not die, and since I'm not feeling too good about either of them, I want to make sure it's one of them and not you. caught this rereading, stand by... linki- my mistake @F...

Maybe I'm just getting paranoid, but that question sort of bothered me, FZ. It seemed to indicate to me you don't care which one of them gets lynched. how she decides to answer this question will probably finalize where i leave my vote. Rereading the case against BR, making sure i'm not confusing it with LC's thin...

I would of voted Ninja, thought i am critical of FZ. In recent memory the earliest most compelling argument seems to be made by a baddie, (Ketterman in Misfits namely) but it's a strong point, and i'd be stupid to ignore it. posted this before Ninja's role was announced, but after the vote ended. Didn't mean to leave my vote on MP. Personally, I would like to look critically at FZ, but other than that no pings atm. also, Bandwagon/=/ Mafia. With that said, there's multiple ways to look at yesterday, but the way that makes the most sense to me is mafia faux baddie hunting. From my little experience as baddie, it seems- early on anyways- Mafia just sits back and doesn't manipulate crazy hard until they have to. That said, there is always the chance that their hand was force and d1 we almost did find a baddie, based on votes, this would make Llama a likely baddie. But Mafia hopping on a bloops bandwagon this early on just seems foolish unless they had an alternative reason. The two parts of your post don't work together logically. If we almost caught a baddie, then I'm the one who would have been responsible for his lynch. As for Niju, I thought at the time that her reaction was fake because it had already been discussed in the thread, and I did plan to vote for her at that time, but when I came back to vote, I saw all the bandwagoning, and started looking elsewhere, and ended with voting llama. I'd like to know why you're choosing me of all people to look at. I'm choosing you because an early strong sounding argument imo is possible baddie behavior in my book. As for my argument, My point contradicts themselves because i'm weighing all options and factors i could think of against each other. I don't have enough faith in my suspicion to make an argument against you, but enough to start a dialogue linki- My bad re:gender And no, i'm just saying you're baddie hunting, What i'm trying to determine is if it's genuine. And Iunno who you're hiding, i'm just considering the possibility that you are...

Made, what are your thoughts on Snowie and Kate? Snow's Belligerent as usual, and having noticed that it was MP/DF before MP said so, i get his argument. As for Kate, she isn't even a blip on my radar atm. Reading her like a not as insightful Bloops (then again, insightful bloops is bad bloops re: LoZ and Misfits....

Also interesting is the fact that after llama got his third vote from Black Rock, ninju received all her votes. While I can see 1-2 being genuine, the fact that all votes went to the same person makes me think someone is trying to protect llama. I'm going with llama Not sure how i feel about this post. Having been in the above position before, often, I get losing confidence in an argument based on the people who voted for it, but it just feels off to me Any other names i should be looking at closer. Ik FZ said Splints yesterday...

Ok, the weird thing about llama this game in comparison to LoZ is that he's far more in-your-face with his silliness. However, unlike in Monty Python his jokes aren't complemented anything that actually adds to the conversation. I'd feel comfortable with a vote on him for the time being. Rereading the reasons he got so many votes last night because honestly i don't remember.....

For now, I think I'm going to vote Llama. I know he's been busy with festivities, but so have a lot of us, and it doesn't change the fact that practically all of his posts so far have been jokey and not serious baddie hunting. Gonna reread him really quickly. This is exactly how i would characterized his game play during LoZ...

Rox, I think FZ is a civvie. She is always fairly outspoken. But she was throwing out a lot of names yesterday and to me it read like she was really just trying to consider everyone. (as opposed to when baddies do it to just see what will take) Ight, dropping suspicion on FZ for now...

Honestly It's a compelling argument. While i'm not 100% won over, It is a plausible explanation of events. Let's go about it this way: Do you think you survived? Catching up with the rest of the thread.....

Made, why do you think FZ. is bad? How do you reconcile it with your theory based on your experience as a baddie (which is typically accurate, although it is hard to summarize different games with different players on the team)? Snowy, I'm not saying I suspect you for those votes. I just am saying I'm not sure how to reconcile your behavior. You are in my "I have no idea about you right now" zone along with some others. And regarding whether I check if someone voted for me, yes I do, but I couldn't recall whether you actually voted me or not amid all the votes and moving and such. I'll take your word for it that you didn't, since I don't recall seeing it there. Okay. Gone. Only reason I'm here is because this is way more fun than working. :P But I'll be back tonight, I think. Assuming my theories correct, FZ would be a hypothetical strong arm baddie similar to Ketterman or SVS in Misfits. FZ works to hide a quieter teammate by sucking all the air out of the room, but in a way that polarizes him, allowing him to survive for a while in a fashion similar to how i survived in Monty Python. FZ also could be a Llama in Monty Python, so iunno. Just want to make sure his name is on the table at this point...

I would of voted Ninja, thought i am critical of FZ. In recent memory the earliest most compelling argument seems to be made by a baddie, (Ketterman in Misfits namely) but it's a strong point, and i'd be stupid to ignore it. posted this before Ninja's role was announced, but after the vote ended. Didn't mean to leave my vote on MP. Personally, I would like to look critically at FZ, but other than that no pings atm. also, Bandwagon/=/ Mafia. With that said, there's multiple ways to look at yesterday, but the way that makes the most sense to me is mafia faux baddie hunting. From my little experience as baddie, it seems- early on anyways- Mafia just sits back and doesn't manipulate crazy hard until they have to. That said, there is always the chance that their hand was force and d1 we almost did find a baddie, based on votes, this would make Llama a likely baddie. But Mafia hopping on a bloops bandwagon this early on just seems foolish unless they had an alternative reason...

I would of voted Ninja, thought i am critical of FZ. In recent memory the earliest most compelling argument seems to be made by a baddie, (Ketterman in Misfits namely) but it's a strong point, and i'd be stupid to ignore it...

Shoot, thought i had more time. When i'm logged out, the poll displays the incorrect time, and thought I had till nine. Sorry MP and Ninja. As i haven't explicitly stated it, my vote was a joke vote. I'll read and say who i would of voted for so I have some sort of accountability...

yo, I haven't played with Tink (who's new?), Ambray, Kate, FZ, or Simon. Anyone want to give general quirks about them, or maybe just funny thing's they've tried to pull of as both mafia and civvie? General trends don't matter as much as instances imo. (also, is anyone else having issues with "Timing out?"...

So, looking over the roles, I just realized there's a Seemer role in this game. Son of a... car. /prepares for any time someone "suspicious" to be lynched and pops up civvie for people to crusade that they are the Seemer I thought about this, Seemers aren't too bad. Just means thoughts on kills should be process on a two night cycle, rather than one. This is fine as long as we keep this in mind and don't suddenly get amnesia every night/day cycle...

K, meaningful discussion time, Any speculation on what the race cars are actually for? We can assume it wasn't a poll as filler as only two people were allowed per choic...

Hedgeowl, are you a good guy or bad guy? :wall: That is a very good question. I wish I had thought to ask it. ^^...

Voting M...

Yo, what exactly is restarting the day do? I've never actually seen it used. Is it like the day didn't happen, votes cleared. Also does it need to be triggered at a certain time or anything like that...

cool, just missing BWT and Ambray, not bad for 24 hours in...

Also, Green buttface car decides ties and prof Z is a recruiter, hopefully not too often or some sort of limit on that tho. (prolly...

Since there's not crazy systems or anything to play with, not sure how i want to attack this game just yet. So yeah, glhf all! Voting Mcqueen because Mcqueen You can't vote McQueen- only two players per choice. By the way, all votes are changeable. misread, thought it was two votes per person, going....not mcqueen :...

Since there's not crazy systems or anything to play with, not sure how i want to attack this game just yet. So yeah, glhf all! Voting Mcqueen because Mcquee...