The Syndicate

So does anyone think that lorab is not bad?

And internet gave out, bringing me to this page at precisely 7:13 sorry :/

The crazy thing about this game is that baddies evidently haven't figured out who the indie is..meaning who do baddies think it is? Apparently they have a clue as they haven't tried to nk her yet.

._.

Ice bear apologizes...

Ice bear swears to god...

I think i feel happy about my vote for llama, while i felt bad about both mp and boo, llama i feel just feel badder, in the sense that mp and boo were just hunches, where Llama actually feel bad to me.

Doing laundry, so now should be the perfect time to think about this.

Here's what Ice Bear is thinking:

Ice bear feels that it is time to start lynching those who we trust the most as lynching our number one suspect is seeming to not be helping us in the slightest. The shitty thing about this however, is the fact that Llama seems very bad. For one, he hasn't asserted his status as super town nearly as frequently as he normally does, which is the biggest give away to me.

thellama73 wrote:
Made wrote:Ok, lets do this. Llama, who you currently suspect, and going forward, keeping in mind how wrong you've been (really how wrong all of us have been). In my head, you specifically come accross as a let's lynch x, let's lynch y, with some reasoning, but no overarching theories that link multiple players over mulitple days. very in the moment play.
This feels like a trap. YOu're asking me to make cases with the preconceived idea that I will be wrong, and if I end up being wrong, you can blame any mislynches on me. People followed my TinyBubbles vote without me really trying to convince people, yet somehow that is my fault? If you think I am wrong, don't follow my votes. It's ridiculous to anoint me some sort of leader when I have no desire to be, and then blame me when things go wrong.
#lifeofbrian.

bolded pings me, but that's mostly because ice bear has heard that exact phrasing from Llama before.
Regardless, avoid this question on grounds of principle would be exactly what ice bear would expect a baddie to do, especially since it's allows for more blendiness to not answer it directly.

in all actually, it seems as a baddie llama as given up on this game, which just doesn't make sense to ice bear.

thellama73 wrote:I will post a carefully thought out, well-formulated case when I see one from Boomslang, Dfaraday, fingersplints, and Ninja Blooper, as well as an end to double standards.

That being said, Blooper is almost certainly bad, but she is not on the poll, so I have to think.

this is by far the strangest thing ice bear has seen from llama, especially after ice bear's criticism of lack of theorying. This just seems to straight forward to be bad, but we have little to go off of, we have vote history, but mine personally is shit, and i'm civvie so...

Ok, lets do this. Llama, who you currently suspect, and going forward, keeping in mind how wrong you've been (really how wrong all of us have been). In my head, you specifically come accross as a let's lynch x, let's lynch y, with some reasoning, but no overarching theories that link multiple players over mulitple days. very in the moment play.

Oh, ice bear have no clue how he survived today btw... I probably should of said that, how did i forget to say that

?

Made wrote:Ice bear will respond in Polar Blue
MovingPictures07 wrote:
It told us that Made is bad.
Gut reactions shouldn't be used as evidence because that's silly, and ridiculous 4 days into the game.
Look at this here. During the game, Made was one of only two players to say TinyBubbles was civilian. Yet he jumped on the wagon yesterday despite elaborating thoroughly that he heavily suspects me and you.
Ice bear knows how to count. He saw that if he voted for his main suspect, there was no way they could of possibly had died, so he voted for the two top options.
I also find it noteworthy that Made said one of either Elo or boo has to be bad. boo died N2. But has Made said anything else about Elo? Conveniently, no, especially when Elo very well could have died yesterday during D3.
That one....that one might of just been poor play on ice bear's part...
If he remembers correctly tho, it was really between Tiny and Splints when he arrived.

hopefully this mistake will be enough to keep ice bear alive?

Regardless, these were gut reactions, without reads or forethought, so do with the above what you will.

Ice bear will respond in Polar Blue

MovingPictures07 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
FZ. wrote: I can't really say I'm surprised. I believe we've lost 4 civvies already. And once again, the reason for voting TB sucked. I'm suspicious of everyone who voted for her. Heck, I'm suspicious of everyone.
I know the feel... many players, myself included, have been acting objectively suspiciously this game.

I'm very sad about the result, but I do think D3 gave us some valuable information.

Do you want to talk out some suspicions? It's possible one of us will die tonight, seeing as though we're the most talkative players left.
Sure, let's talk. What valuable information do you think it gave us?

MM, why do you think it makes llama look better?
It told us that Made is bad.
Gut reactions shouldn't be used as evidence because that's silly, and ridiculous 4 days into the game.
Look at this here. During the game, Made was one of only two players to say TinyBubbles was civilian. Yet he jumped on the wagon yesterday despite elaborating thoroughly that he heavily suspects me and you.
Ice bear knows how to count. He saw that if he voted for his main suspect, there was no way they could of possibly had died, so he voted for the two top options.
I also find it noteworthy that Made said one of either Elo or boo has to be bad. boo died N2. But has Made said anything else about Elo? Conveniently, no, especially when Elo very well could have died yesterday during D3.
That one....that one might of just been poor play on ice bear's part...
If he remembers correctly tho, it was really between Tiny and Splints when he arrived.
Then think of the fact that LoRab kept making statements during yesterday's lynch about how she had no idea about Elo, and consider that LoRab was really quick to turn on Lacey earlier when I mentioned I strongly thought Lacey was bad. Has LoRab pursued those thoughts any further, despite the fact that her exception expired during D3? No.

Yes, we may have lynched TinyBubbles thanks to my push that way, but we also uncovered contradictory intentions from Made and LoRab. I also firmly believe that TinyBubbles was sacrificed to save Elo, and that Elo's behavior has had the classic mafia element of overexplanation. Her behavior has been the very definition of opportunistic, yet the mafia took advantage of the fact that TinyBubbles kept being compared to Elo by me.

I feel very strongly that Elo is mafia; by extension, Made and LoRab are also incredibly likely teammates.
Ice bear honestly forgot LoRab was in this game, but will consider your theories regardless. Wait nvm, you're dead, and your theories were used to bring suspect to me lynched. My bad homie rip.

LoRab wrote:
Good point about Made. And someone said something about the exactly 4 baddies comment. Plus, speaking about Ice Bear in the third person I think could be an attempt to draw attention away from actual post content. I was thinking of that earlier today, but you beat me to the punch in posting.

I have mentioned suspects again. I've been sick, spent very few hours awake yesterday, and had a fever for much of that time, so I haven't posted much at all. I stand by my suspicion of Lacey, as well as that of Elo. I still don't know about Elo--she's not a player I know well enough to read well, and have mixed feelings about the points brought up about her by others. I don't think she's obviously bad, and so I'm not sure where you're suspicion of me is coming from. I still thnk Splints is bad and want to look at the TB voters.

Ice bear has been ice bear since before this game began, he also very much enjoys being ice bear, as ice bear is baller.

thellama73 wrote:RIP MP

That's a lame kill. He was contributing a lot. Clearly the baddies are scared that he was onto something.

If llama isn't bad Ice bear will eat something not fit for bear consumption like a...like a trilby.

And with that ice bear has responded to all criticism against him. If you don't buy any of it, that's unfortunate.

LoRab wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Also, I'm curious about why Made isn't around. He could've died. I would think he was the lynch stop civ, but if he didn't check into the thread during the Day phase, I dunno how he'd have used it. So many people were suspicious of him, I don't see anyone else saving him.
Civs don't have a lynch stop, but there is a role that survives the first lynch attempt.

His surviving gives me pause. However, I'm not entirely convinced. He was on the site last night, and I can't see a reason that someone would be on here and not post, when they saw their name was being mentioned. Especially a civ. Even if they knew they would survive, someone who has a lot of suspicion is likely to at least post some sort of defense/alternative. A baddie might just leave it to their teammates to do for them. If not the civ role, then perhaps he had a golden egg?

linkitis: @Made: Do you want to offer any sort of defense to anything that's been said about you?

Ice bear believes that actions speak louder than words. (he also hasn't read thread yet...)

And yeah, kinda logged in, then got distracted by college type things, but cleared the schedule for a 4th quarter mafia power hours...of course said power hour apparently started 2 hours too late...

out of curiosity, what kind of mafia move is it to log in, read thread (and chatzy of course), and just yolo it?

That said, Ice bear want to now lynch Russ, Llama and Bloops

Ice bear thinks we've reached the point where we should lynch the most trustworthy players. We aren't doing too hot.

So the lynch didn't end at 10.....hmmm...and ice bear was lynched....
Whoops?

The bigger picture is starting to come into focus: Jeez there's been a lot of "bad" votes this game.

Ice bear feels that Splints is coming across as less caring and worried about dying than Tinybubbles. If Ice bear were on a team, he'd care far more about self preservation than otherwise, so I think it makes the most sense to vote Tinybubbles.

Russtifinko wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:TinyBubbles just committed another drive by vote...

How is this acceptable? If she's a civilian at this point then she's clearly a liability, unwilling to even post her suspicions as she votes for them. Hopefully she's just a lazy mafia.

She gets my vote. Just popping in before teaching, so apologies in advance for my absence today. Long day ahead of me
This is a bit hypocritical, Mr. Double Self-Voter. lol

Pretty much this.

RE Splints:

LoRab's reason for voting seems interesting, but ice bear doesn't know enough about Splints to follow it yet.

After reading splints for myself, I don't know, only 6 post, and weird drive by votes w/o explanation... if this had only happened once, I'd consider her vote forced, but twice now is making ice bear double take.

FZ. wrote:
Eloh- She's the obvious choice for a vote to me. She's busy defending herself instead of looking for baddies. Her choices for voting are horrible, and she does voice suspicion, it's for the easiest target in the game. The only thing that's making me question myself is that maybe she's doing too bad to actually be bad. But she's an option at the moment.
*Snip*
MP- Hmm. I don't know whether to trust my initial instincts that this is just civ MP doing what I expect him to do, or if he's trying to throw some reverse psychology at us with his self vote on the first day, and how he was surprised not more people thought he was suspicious. I'm also surprised by the TB vote. I know she deserves it as a player, but does he really think that she's just a lazy mafia? I've seen civ MP use this sort of logic to justify a vote I thought was wrong, but I expect more from him. So not sure about him.

This interaction doesn't make sense to Ice Bear, and leads me to believe that he is intentionally turning a blind eye to MP. Why does FZ feel that Elo a clean cut case of bad while MP is "Ehh i don't know about that zany MP fellow"? MP said it himself, that his voting for himself made him seem very sus.
Here's (part) of FZ's reason for voting Elo

FZ. wrote:. I just wish people's reasoning for voting would be based on more than what I've seen so far. I feel like ever since my voiced suspicion on Splints, she's become a bandwagon easy to hop on.
Here, she just contributed something. Does that change anything for you? And how about all other people who haven't contributed anything, like Eloh, Russ, TB and anyone else. Why didn't you vote for them?

Yes, MP has contributed this game (his game was particularly entertaining). But self voting and voting for weak reasoning are similar no? As Ice Bear is aware the FZ is done for the day, these are questions i want answers to tomorrow, but things I wanted out there none the less.

Also re somebody: Ice bear found Boo sus because the way he represented Elo's argument. it seemed in genuine to me, but obviously, ice bear was mistaken.

going to continue reading, but will probably vote sooner rather than later.

Ice Bear would like to predict an MP FZ Team.....discuss that while i continue to catch up.

Ice bear currently has a very inconsistent internet connection at the moment. Working on it...

Re MP:

boo wrote:
Boomslang wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Well, I think I will vote for Boomslang. This is his first game in a long time I believe. I was also thinking about giving it to a newbie to make their first experience more interesting, but then again, I want to make sure it goes to someone I am almost sure will be a participating player.

Linki: Hello llama. I'm surprised. I would think you would believe that it would be a better choice than anyone else, not only just as good.
Well, I am honored. I do plan to be pretty active in this game, although keeping up with Recruitment as well is going to be a bear... Lucky for me, I at least have today off.

Going to second Elo's vote for Boomslang. I hear he's a pretty stand-up guy :P
*note to self, Eloh votes for someone D0 after they've been away for a while, before they've posted at all, saying she wants to vote for someone she thinks will be active. In a game with friggin' llama and MM in it. Just saying.*

*2nd note to self. Both of them make D1 votes I distrusted*

*third note to self: look up self in a dictionary, because I haven't actually heard it both ways.*

Ice Bear just can't see an interaction like this happening between two mafia. Might just be naive, but this is enough for Ice Bear, for now anyways.

To further elaborate on Ice Bear's "reads" game, as Ice Bear see it, Either Elo is mafia or Boo is mafia, but not both. This of course means that at least one player is currently fooling Ice Bear.
Further thinking required.

Ice bear might as well finish now,
Last answer is Civvie.

What part of no ummmm ehhhhh i don't know are people not getting? lol

ok, ice bear is out and will return later to night...likely...
Goodbye

linki-
civve
civve
...

MovingPictures07 wrote:nijuukyugou

Russtifinko

civvie
mafia

Ice bear needs to do college type stuff, so one more round for this polar bear.

civ
mafia

ok... one more after this one...

Actually, can ice bear change my answer to indy for Elo? Indy sounds more reasonable.

going to vote Boo, It still makes the more sense to Ice Bear. Please check past post for reasoning.

Civ
civ

MovingPictures07 wrote:New group:

fingersplints

FZ.

civve
civve

MovingPictures07 wrote:Next two:

DFaraday

Elohcin

Civvie
mafia

MovingPictures07 wrote:boo

Boomslang

Mafia
Civ

Boomslang wrote:
FZ. wrote: So who do you find the most suspicious? I can see myself voting for either Daisy or llama who have votes. But I'm still hesitant
On further review, I think I find llama most suspicious. He was among the Scotty voters without much justification, and he seems to have deliberately misread the role blocking of last night to justify a vote for tinybubbles. I don't know what to make of Daisy's vote yet, and the possibility that MP is the bomb makes me pause before voting for him again. So I'll go ahead and *vote llama*

Here's the thing: This is a classic Llama civvie game to me, agro someone hard day one, get himself lynched day two (Read Ice Bears post history for proof) . From Ice Bear's perspective, Llama seems to only get himself killed when he's civvie, and has no team to defend, so he act however he pleases, regardless of where that might get him.

Ice bear feels as if no one acknowledged the suspicions of boo. So Ice Bear will place his vote there today

MP seems very sketchy, but ice bear isn't ready to lynch him yet. Maybe a day 4th quarter day 3 1st quarter day 4 MP lynch depending on how he plays.

oh woah, lots of post Ice bear will respond to direct messages then finish reads.

Spacedaisy wrote:Voted for made. No good reason, I have to vote before work.

oh.

Ice bear will not tolerate his honor being questioned. Catching up.

Actually, Ice Bear left the mobile in the room upstairs, and that's far away so......

boo wrote:
Boomslang wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Well, I think I will vote for Boomslang. This is his first game in a long time I believe. I was also thinking about giving it to a newbie to make their first experience more interesting, but then again, I want to make sure it goes to someone I am almost sure will be a participating player.

Linki: Hello llama. I'm surprised. I would think you would believe that it would be a better choice than anyone else, not only just as good.
Well, I am honored. I do plan to be pretty active in this game, although keeping up with Recruitment as well is going to be a bear... Lucky for me, I at least have today off.

Going to second Elo's vote for Boomslang. I hear he's a pretty stand-up guy :P
*note to self, Eloh votes for someone D0 after they've been away for a while, before they've posted at all, saying she wants to vote for someone she thinks will be active. In a game with friggin' llama and MM in it. Just saying.*

*2nd note to self. Both of them make D1 votes I distrusted*

*third note to self: look up self in a dictionary, because I haven't actually heard it both ways.*

Ice Bear feels this message reeks of intentional manipulation of words and meanings. Sure, part of the message could (and probably should) be scrutinized for weak reasoning. Elo from Ice bear's perspective seemed to contrive a reasoning after already deciding to vote boomslang, however Boo's reaction misrepresents Elo's primary reason for voting:

Elohcin wrote:Well, I think I will vote for Boomslang. This is his first game in a long time I believe. *snip*

Perhaps too meta? Regardless Ice bear does not trust this.

Ice bear might be very busy tomorrow, but will not miss this vote. Setting a reminder in Ice Bear's phone right now.

boo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
boo wrote:Sock-account BTSC, normal BTSC, or baddie recruitment BTSC?

Are you actually pondering, or is there just not going to be a clear answer?

Anyways, for Mighty Eagle/general discussion:

If it's sock-account, it's not really an issue (just don't pull an Eloh and get tricked into telling the person who you are :P... although that was the other way around, so maybe do pull an Eloh?). If it's normal, that's a 1 for 1 trade, so that's worth it. If it's baddie recruitment, mass-block strikes me as the best way to go (it's around what, 17% chance they'd get a blue?).

If it's a non-answer, I still don't think it's worth the risk of letting them get a recruit, and mass-block would be the way to go.

Plus, you're alive now. You might not be if you hold it and there's another situation down the line where it could have as big an influence.

really, it all depends on if the pigs can find one of the other blue birds to begin with. If king pig gets Jim's power then he has a chance to look for the other two blue birds. That's how ice bear would expect that to work anyways.

Epignosis wrote:
boo wrote:@Simon/Epi: Does the Chef Pig role that lets the baddie team use the power of a lynched civvie do anything tonight, given Scotty's role?
Yes.

Simon has great taste in game design.

Scotty wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Scotty why are you posting as dead? No host post yet, right?
Oh, I guess.

Well.

Hi.

Almost friend. Rip. Ice bear is not aware of the alignment of Jim, but believes all life has value, even scummy life.

Ice bear was taking care of responsibility before leaving town and forgot to check the game.

Linki: ice bear agree with Russ, this is oddly peculiar.

Ice bear apologizes for missing the vote. Ice Bear would voted mm.

Ice bear is currently in transit to college, so he will be around until his phone dies.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I'm going to have to vote in a couple of hours, and I intend to vote Scotty. No solid reason, just pure hunch. I don't feel good about him.

Discuss.
Scotty seems to enjoy extrapolating which either means he's bad and want to seem present or he enjoy extrapolating, something ice bear enjoys from time to time. Ice bear would much rather advocate a Marmot lynch at this point.
I cannot support this course of action. That would result in the votes being spread (potentially).

WHy is this a bad thing?

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to have to vote in a couple of hours, and I intend to vote Scotty. No solid reason, just pure hunch. I don't feel good about him.

Discuss.

Scotty seems to enjoy extrapolating which either means he's bad and want to seem present or he enjoy extrapolating, something ice bear enjoys from time to time. Ice bear would much rather advocate a Marmot lynch at this point.

thellama73 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I still love you, sweetie.
I love you too!
Public displays of affection make ice bear feel very uncomfortable. Ice bear request that you cease for the remainder of the game.
This marmot likes the ice bear.
Animal Sanctuary Squad ftw.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Lol, I tried to make my comment less uncomfortable by adding the lynch part afterward, yet you cut that out of the post. I'm almost never one to engage in PDA, and neither is Daisy, so I find the comment funny. Nonetheless, that's noted, Made.

What do you think of what's transpired thus far re: boo, Russ, MM, etc.?

Ice bear is only familiar with is a not good boo, that being said, the similarities in play ice bear has noticed are hard to ignore.
Ice bear feels that the Marmot is sketch, and may likely vote him off the island with a large blunt object. (Ice bear is aware of the grammatical error that lies in the previous statement, but will not correct it in order to spite the pedantic powers that be. Ice bear cannot be tamed)
Russ probably isn't terrible. Further observation is required.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I still love you, sweetie.
I love you too!

Public displays of affection make ice bear feel very uncomfortable. Ice bear request that you cease for the remainder of the game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
boo wrote:There's just a lot of bubbles apparently.
Like in the economy amirite
Tiny Bubbles confirmed Sen. Phil Gramm

Excited to get started! I've never played Angry Birds before, and actually refuse due to a self-imposed superficial boycott.

Other self-imposed boycotts I am currently engaged in: Ice cream, Michael Bay movies, swimsuit calendars, my ex-girlfriends on Facebook.

Side note: I looked up what the Golden Egg is, because I just assumed it was good since it's Golden and all good things are golden.

They apparently are collected in game to unlock additional levels, and/or additional mini-games. But don't try to collect a Golden Egg with the MIGHTY EAGLE BECAUSE HE'S A LUMBERING ASSHOLE WHO WILL #DESTROY IT.

@Epignosis Hey man, btw I'ma try and be a little PC talking, since I assume Simon is reading these posts. Is that your wish, or do I have free roam in the (sub)English language?
All of your boycotts are wise, except ice cream. What is wrong with you there?? I eat ice cream nearly daily because it is the best.

Also, at risk of causing srs bsns...maybe we shouldn't completely spread the vote, here. Leaves it open to baddie manipulation, and as we all saw in MOTU, these things can decide games. I suggest we all vote for one of the following: Russti, Scotty, or Boomslang.

Good plan.

I voted Russ so as not to spread the vote.

Ice bear does not like this comment nor this vote. The mammoth typically votes for himself, but today feel that it makes more sense to vote for Russ not to spread the votes?

thellama73 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I'd also like to say, great host post SImon. You must have an excellent English teacher

Simon wrote:
Will the birds defeat the pigs and save the world and their eggs?

I didn't know that pigs laid eggs.

Ice Bear doesn't lay eggs, yet he had eggs for breakfast this morning. Having eggs does not imply laying them.

Elohcin wrote:I'd also like to say, great host post SImon. You must have an excellent English teacher

Ice Bear will not tolerate nepotism.

Let it be known that votes are not changeable.

Let it also be known that Ice Bear is a great protector of eggs, especially of the golden variety.

Simon wrote:
Day 0

Once upon a time the birds were watching their eggs in peace. And then King Pig was trying to take over the world, but the birds were not having it. Will the birds defeat the pigs and save the world and their eggs? Let's find out.

It is now Day 0. You have 24 hours to vote for someone to get the Golden Egg. You cannot vote for yourself.

The logical vote here Is Llama. He will inevitably lead a lynch tomorrow, where he will either be right and prove himself probably not Pig or wrong and be subsequently lynched day two as per usual.

Ice Bear is voting now.

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