The Syndicate

On of the secret roles was Weeping Angel btw.

Wait, did Cyberman 2 win?

Wait what?

Strax's a bitch ass nigga. I'm out, PPPEEEEAACCCCEEEEE

S~V~S wrote:

Made wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Two living people have less posts than Black Rock, Ninjajujube & Bass. Faraday, Elo, Hedge, Daisy & Sabie all have less posts than LC. Why did you pull those two names out of a hat, Made?

LC because some how this got so little flak...

What does this even mean?

That the quote had been snipped by LC, and you missed this post.

Made wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Two living people have less posts than Black Rock, Ninjajujube & Bass. Faraday, Elo, Hedge, Daisy & Sabie all have less posts than LC. Why did you pull those two names out of a hat, Made?

LC because some how this(this meaning the following incase that wasn't clear) got so little flak

Long Con wrote:MP07, I don't see how "No u"ing you is a baddie maneuver. Is that what a baddie does? Did I twirl my black moustache as I did it?

It's not an alignment thing, it's just what it was. I didn't have a solid suspicion due to quick-catch-up reading on the phone... I get the basics of some of the prominent debates, but I don't know who's right, which are Civ-on-Civ, etc. If you want to lynch me for being a poor player, then make that your argument. But it doesn't make sense to call it a baddie maneuver, because... it's just not a move that's in my sly-baddie repertoire, you know? I don't even get how that would result in any advantage at all, really.

But if you guys need a Civvie for this plan of yours, I will be happy to volunteer. Tie me up with someone, and let me be lynched. And then you'll have a baddie.

Of course, the plan is not going to happen. Everyone is not going to agree to it, because of possible vote manipulation by the baddies... but I thought I'd offer up my lame ass for it if you need a Civvie. Ha ha ha, probably suspicious of me to offer. At least I'll become part of this game now.

As well as this

Long Con wrote:I found Epig's points about Made repeatedly defending you, Enrique, coupled with the Made save seeming last lynch, compounded by Epig and BR unrelentingly suspecting you... To be very convincing. My vote will go to Made.

Long Con wrote:What a crazy lynch. So many people accusing so many of connections to others. Is anyone right? I don't know!! But I feel like switching to Enrique now just for fun. Too many Made voters.

Nah, I won't. It'll just get people riled up. Looks like the Made Man is gonna get it. Or is he Emperor Dalek?

Long Con wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:LC, switch to Enri! I'll switch back! WOoo!!!

Well, you already did it, so I guess I have to!

If LC agreed with BR and Epi, the obvious vote would of been Enri, not me. The fact that they played it off as them being "team mates" "haha totally" makes pingged me hella hard.


BR is to a lesser extent. BR was on the post because of the above as well as out of all the other quiet people, they are the one I trust least, or at least understand the least. While i'm unsure about the majority of the quiet people Black rock seems like the ideal place to start questioning quiet people wise.
Do BR and LC know each other very well outside of game?

Back at dinner. Also because people are smart ass, WHY did you think I was bad when you voted me.
Homework, going in.

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Oh before I forget, since this is the first poll with a clear cyber man option:

bea wrote: Cyberman Head: Oh no! You lost your body somewhere and you can't remember where. Every night you try to search for it. *Secrets* If you manage to find your body (a randomly determined event) at some point in the game, you gain an extra amount of votes for the next lynch determined by how many members of your team are still alive.

Ok, I got boned work load wise tonight of all nights, so bare with me. Real life has to come first, but I can put mafia above at least some of my bullshit classes.

I agree with Most people's reads of Epi; aggressive and overconfident, but not definitively baddie.

sabie12 wrote:Witches have always intrigued me and they sound interesting so I'm going with that planet. Also, Made's post doesn't make me feel any better about him. Pretty much everyone agrees that he is bad and now that he has survived a lynch we have all the more reason to suspect that. I'm still wary of Enrique. Made has been defending him as I have mentioned before, so if we assume Made is bad then we can also assume he wouldn't care about defending anyone unless they were on his team. Just my thoughts for now on last nights crazy lynch.

That conflicts with almost every theory that supports me being bad, what?

S~V~S wrote:Two living people have less posts than Black Rock, Ninjajujube & Bass. Faraday, Elo, Hedge, Daisy & Sabie all have less posts than LC. Why did you pull those two names out of a hat, Made?

LC because some how this got so little flak

Long Con wrote:MP07, I don't see how "No u"ing you is a baddie maneuver. Is that what a baddie does? Did I twirl my black moustache as I did it?

It's not an alignment thing, it's just what it was. I didn't have a solid suspicion due to quick-catch-up reading on the phone... I get the basics of some of the prominent debates, but I don't know who's right, which are Civ-on-Civ, etc. If you want to lynch me for being a poor player, then make that your argument. But it doesn't make sense to call it a baddie maneuver, because... it's just not a move that's in my sly-baddie repertoire, you know? I don't even get how that would result in any advantage at all, really.

But if you guys need a Civvie for this plan of yours, I will be happy to volunteer. Tie me up with someone, and let me be lynched. And then you'll have a baddie.

Of course, the plan is not going to happen. Everyone is not going to agree to it, because of possible vote manipulation by the baddies... but I thought I'd offer up my lame ass for it if you need a Civvie. Ha ha ha, probably suspicious of me to offer. At least I'll become part of this game now.

As well as this

Long Con wrote:I found Epig's points about Made repeatedly defending you, Enrique, coupled with the Made save seeming last lynch, compounded by Epig and BR unrelentingly suspecting you... To be very convincing. My vote will go to Made.

Long Con wrote:What a crazy lynch. So many people accusing so many of connections to others. Is anyone right? I don't know!! But I feel like switching to Enrique now just for fun. Too many Made voters.

Nah, I won't. It'll just get people riled up. Looks like the Made Man is gonna get it. Or is he Emperor Dalek?

Long Con wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:LC, switch to Enri! I'll switch back! WOoo!!!

Well, you already did it, so I guess I have to!

If LC agreed with BR and Epi, the obvious vote would of been Enri, not me. The fact that they played it off as them being "team mates" "haha totally" makes pingged me hella hard.


BR is to a lesser extent. BR was on the post because of the above as well as out of all the other quiet people, they are the one I trust least, or at least understand the least. While i'm unsure about the majority of the quiet people Black rock seems like the ideal place to start questioning quiet people wise.
Do BR and LC know each other very well outside of game?

Back at dinner. Also because people are smart ass, WHY did you think I was bad when you voted me.
Homework, going in.

Ok, so here's how it went down:

I've thought Enrique was civvie all game and still do. Everything he said, while imo very misguided, seemed genuine. When he survived a night lynch I had no choice but to read him even more carefully, like everyone should of. I read him multiple times and I was even more sure that he was civvies. Epi's argument seemed strong, but based on my own read of Enrique, it seemed contrived to justify his view point. I didn't want to call it out because I figured based on the suspicion I got for criticizing the argument Juliet, that directly disagreeing with Epi's argument would get me lynched so I let the arguments against him ride. When it came down to me and Enri in the poll, instead of attempting to defend myself, I let the lynch happen figured more would be learned that way, and I was right. Instead of voting Enri and turning the gun on him day 5, I voted me.

I didn't know I was going to live, but I know why I did.

We, as a town, are going the wrong direction; so consider this a hostile take over.

There are a few things that really are fucking with me, that I figured now that i'm front and center might actually get addressed.
1. Why are we not at all concerned about Eloh's save, but care so deeply about Enri's
2. Why do we no longer care about the Azure voters?
3. Why do we all trust Epi?
4. Why have we allowed LC and Black Rock to avoid the radar almost completely?
5. Really tho, what's so confusing about my argument against Dom?
And perhaps the most illuminating
6. If you did, why did you choose to vote for me.

While it looked like one, I don't think day 3's lynch was a save. I honestly think suspicion surrounding it has more to do with the fact that everyone who voted just got echo tunneled hard.

Leave questions as well as answers to the above questions and i'll get back to y'all tomorrow

Ok, so here's how it went down:

I've thought Enrique was civvie all game and still do. Everything he said, while imo very misguided, seemed genuine. When he survived a night lynch I had no choice but to read him even more carefully, like everyone should of. I read him multiple times and I was even more sure that he was civvies. Epi's argument seemed strong, but based on my own read of Enrique, it seemed contrived to justify his view point. I didn't want to call it out because I figured based on the suspicion I got for criticizing the argument Juliet, that directly disagreeing with Epi's argument would get me lynched so I let the arguments against him ride. When it came down to me and Enri in the poll, instead of attempting to defend myself, I let the lynch happen figured more would be learned that way, and I was right. Instead of voting Enri and turning the gun on him day 5, I voted me.
I didn't know I was going to live, but I know why I did.

There are a few things that really are fucking with me, that I figured now that i'm front and center might actually get addressed.
1. Why are we not at all concerned about Eloh's save, but care so deeply about Enri's
2. Why do we no longer care about the Azure voters?
3. Why do we all trust Epi?
4. Why have we allowed LC and Black Rock to avoid the radar almost completely?
5. Really tho, what's so confusing about my argument against Dom?
And perhaps the most illuminating
6. If you did, why did you choose to vote for me.

While it looked like one, I don't think day 3's lynch was a save. I honestly think suspicion surrounding it has more to do with the fact that everyone who voted just got echo tunneled hard.

Leave questions as well as answers to the above questions and i'll get back to y'all tomorrow

BALLER, I know why i lived.
Now here's where shit hits the fan. Stand by.

Omg i'm shaking right now....

MovingPictures07 wrote:Made, why did you vote yourself?

Gotta trust in the heart of the cards man...

I swear to god if this works.....

I suspect
1. Dom
2. LC

keys56000000000 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:For that matter, Made still hasn't voted period.

Resigned to her fate?

his, and shh I'm thinking.

sabie12 wrote:Its a tough call btwn made and enrique. Theyve both survived nks under mysterious circumstances and Im thinking they might be connected. My vote is currently going to Enrique because I feel that voting him or made will finally find us a baddie. Looks like we are close to a tie so it may not matter which I choose anyway. Also sorry the typing is so atrocious. Im on my tablet.

Umm...no I didn't?

ok, so i've tossed this idea around in my head a few times and it makes sense to me, and i think it's ready for presentation. I think the lynch was a self interest save. The fact that zeek was the first to vote Snowdog supports this. Many players trust his Judgement, so subsequent votes to him make sense to me. Most of the people who voted snowdog are people who have I haven't criticized, or even directly supported.
This post

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I guess I'm switching to Snow Dog for now, just to get it off LC.

Linki MM: Why should I vote Made?

I don't want you to be lynched. While I'd like to lynch Snow Dog, I think it's too late to pull that one together.

So he wanted me lynched, but wanted Snowdog lynched more, and changed his vote when he realized a Snowdog lynch was feasible? This isn't an accusation, I just want to make sure I'm understanding this right before think about this further.

holy fucking Linki-ok, what? Redacted the majority of this post and reevaluating, something is off.

Sorry for like not talking at all this weekend. It's been a weird one to say the least.

Anyways, plan to respond to all criticism of myself and all others when I get home.

zeek wrote:Elo, MP and Rico all claiming ripzfx methods of survival. Could Folding Raincoat be true?

Folding Raincoat?

Snow Dog wrote:

Made wrote:K caught up. I agree that last night's lynch looked like a save, but as MP said(???) it was a very sloppy one if it was,

As their seems to be confusion on what happened exactly, here's how it went down from my perspective: Snowdog did look guilty, so I commented on it. IF i were to vote to save myself, I would of voted hedge as i'm pretty sure she was two votes behind me at the time(5-3?), but i felt Dom still seemed guiltier, and i thought maybe my argument might of turns some heads so I left my vote where it was and left (on top of not feeling comfortable with a hedgie vote in general).
I'm not sure i understand what exactly happened with MM. He voted Snowdog, but told other people to vote me?

(fell asleep before posting this, so catching up with linki now.)

I disagree. i didn't look guilty. It seems you eagerly jumped on the opportunity to put votes elsewhere other than yourself. Anyone other tan yourself. Not very civ.

I didn't vote for you? also you're alive??? Gonna reread because apparently i missed a few things haha.

Really tho, I didn't see a vote for you gaining any traction, just figured it'd be a good spot to pick up on for today for those still alive. When I left, I'm pretty sure zeek was the only one who had a voted for snow dog 1.0.

linki- in felt I attempted to play a more analytic game. Think before i speak. Since i tended to play the opposite in Monty/Misfits, i figured it'd ping people and create baseless arguments against me in order to remain fairly sus but avoid nks, but baseless enough that i could shake them still.

K caught up. I agree that last night's lynch looked like a save, but as MP said(???) it was a very sloppy one if it was,

As their seems to be confusion on what happened exactly, here's how it went down from my perspective: Snowdog did look guilty, so I commented on it. IF i were to vote to save myself, I would of voted hedge as i'm pretty sure she was two votes behind me at the time(5-3?), but i felt Dom still seemed guiltier, and i thought maybe my argument might of turns some heads so I left my vote where it was and left (on top of not feeling comfortable with a hedgie vote in general).
I'm not sure i understand what exactly happened with MM. He voted Snowdog, but told other people to vote me?

(fell asleep before posting this, so catching up with linki now.)

Just placed first in my competition
Catching up, active night apparently.

skimmed but not gonna catch up till tomorrow. No clue what happened on the poll tho...
Just wanted to apologize, specifically to Dom, for both being an asshole and taking things personally.

I need to take a "break", back in an hour hopefully.

[quote="Dom]

Made wrote: You've wasting hours of my time during a stressful week trying to find and understand an argument that DIDN'T EXIST. By calling me bad and a liar in a in all caps, you moved attention from others to me undeserved, and made it difficult for me to investigate leads. This took me a hour to decipher.
You suck.

I have no words for how rude you're being. Good bye.
[/quote]
apparently I'm a fucking idiot, If it exist I don't see it. PLEASE SPELL IT OUT FOR ME.

fingersplints wrote:Hey Made, Have you gotten chance to find the suspicious quote yet? Sorry you are busy and stressed

it was actually a Dom quote. When he asked who suggested Mp survived because of it being a team thing. The idea of that pinged me so i quickly read through you. Didn't find anything of note.

I need to stop playing for tonight...DECA competition in the morning...
But i also don't want to do die.
Suspicions
Dom
Snow dog


MM asked me for thoughts on dana: she very much seems her self. honestly, If she were more firm, i'd be pinged to hell and back.

We need to consolidate our votes?

TL:DR for the Skimmers

TL:DR wrote:after looking at the above quote specifically, I feel like you set me up. I addressed that I have no clue what your argument was at the bottom, but instead of clarifying your argument, you attacked me for addressing others who had criticized me and then linked 4 post, none of which had any relation to any sort of argument! Then when I attempted to understand and respond to these post, you said once again called me a liar.

You've wasting hours of my time during a stressful week trying to find and understand an argument that DIDN'T EXIST.

Dom wrote:<snip>

Made wrote:#3) You ARE a liar. You have blatantly misrepresented my claims against you. This is especially apparent in this quoted post.
I didn't have a full understanding of your argument until i went back to you reply to zeek. Call me hard headed, but throwing quotes at me doesn't resonate unless it's explained.
#4) I am making an argument for your baddiness based on quotes you have said. That is how this game is played. If you do not want to partake in it, you cannot complain about this. You cannot fight back. You must just sit there and take votes.
Differences in game philosophy. *shrug*

How is this an issue of difference in game philosophy? How else do you play mafia? I read what you wrote, quoted it, responded to it, and expressed that your words made met think you were bad.
And you are arguing with me over it.
I prefer arguments that

Made wrote:#5) Please, Made, tell me what are my logical and cognitive dissonances? I have pointed out several of yours. Please, do tell.
i was commenting on my own cognitive dissonance. I felt you were bad because you were accusing me which rationally felt off, but you seemed to not be listening to my defenses which, imo, were logical. While I stand by my logic, I can't stand by my vote which i made in frustration. I don't understand your gameplay style but that doesn't make you guilty.

You said I am not using logic. I asked you to point out where I am not using logic. You have not done so.

I Pointed out what i thought were flaws in your argument, and you called me a liar for not seeing things the way you did. In retrospect, i understand what you were getting at- you thought my representation of your argument was intentionally slanted to incriminate you- but in the moment I didn't. It seemed illogical to call me a liar for describing MP and Dana's concerns.

Dom wrote:

Made wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I see a lot of people bringing up Made's name, I've never played with the guy before, what are some people's concerns about him?

Tldr, I'm not playing super extroverted and agro like I *normally* do.

Honestly it's kinda nice being meek, I'm emotionally detached and at least feel like I'm notice more. The only thing is I feel like I'm only noticing things that are making others appear civvie.

(Also, th, pretty sure it's just Dom saying my name again and again )

Addendum: wait, the above reasoning explains Dana and MP. But Dom, why do you feel I'm sus?

Let me call BULLSHIT on you, Made.
TH, I have outlined my suspicions against Made in the following posts:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 907#p85907
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 707#p84707
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 492#p87492
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 487#p86487

It wasn't until i read your post to zeek that did i even have a clue what you were talking about.

Honestly now, after looking at the above quote specifically, I feel like you set me up. I addressed that I have no clue what your argument was at the bottom, but instead of clarifying your argument, you attacked me for addressing others who had criticized me and then linked 4 post, none of which had any relation to any sort of argument! Then when I attempted to understand and respond to these post, you said once again called me a liar.

I encourage everyone to read Dom's 4 post that explain his argument against me, his argument will all make sense then.

Dom wrote:

Made wrote: I am not misrepresenting you. No one understands your argument because the last time you properly explained it was on Day 1. 5 quotes (one of which a duplicate) and capslock is not an argument.

Before i forget
1.Dom
2.Eloh
3. Splits(more of a peak of interest rather than suspicion, I need to read further into this.)
.

So... what the fuck
You have NEVER explained why you suspect me. I have gone through my suspicion of you so many times now. You are a liar. I am done.
*votes Made*

You also changed your tune. It went from, "Dom is just saying my name over and over again " to "you haven't said I was bad until now"!

You've wasting hours of my time during a stressful week trying to find and understand an argument that DIDN'T EXIST. By calling me bad and a liar in a in all caps, you moved attention from others to me undeserved, and made it difficult for me to investigate leads. This took me a hour to decipher.
You suck.

zeek wrote:

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:I am voting for YOU because I'm sick of seeing you change your mind and have no firm stance on anything ever. Vote yourself too, which you probably will until you're "persuaded" to vote for someone else.

r u joking

Why? People are talking about others being blendy and Snow Dog has been the blendiest of them all. Maybe my vote will stay there, maybe it won't, but jesus Snow Dog you're not helping at all.

um...has Snow Dog avoided fire till this point? After rereading him he does seem incredibly off. He has a relatively high number of post, but has added very little to the game from what I caught on a reread. His reason for voting seem to mostly be based on the opinions of others, rather than his own.

Pretty colors are pretty and replies

Dom wrote:

Made wrote: My tone has change because I am now annoyed, but my tune has remain constant.
You have repetitively said my name(which, subjectively could be read as you attempting to create a case against me, without actually doing so), but you have never specifically said "hey made is bad" until one post ago. The only reason I brought up semantics (specifically about the usage of the word bad) was because you decided that me saying "I have a gut feeling about you" was not enough, even tho it implies that i think you're bad. I don't personally care about whether or not you specifically called me bad. You seemed to, so I attempted to reason with you by using what i understood as your perspective.


The awesome thing about Forum Mafia vs Party Mafia is that everything is on record. If I am a liar it can be proven very easily using my post, so if you would like to actually structure an argument about me on that, be my guest.

Today is not the day Dom. I'm not in the mood right now for bullshit arguments or politics. Either make an argument about me that isn't based in hyperbole and vague quotes or go away. If you need an example of a proper argument, please refer to below.

My argument against Dom
Admittedly, my reason for now voting Dom is based on his accusations against me, and this cognitive dissonances(of my own) is pissing me off. Rationally I know that he thinks i'm bad, and is therefore attempting to frame me for a lynch, a alignment free thing to do-- civvies find it necessary to lynch people too-- however, his hostility and lack of logic and ability to see reason from my perspective is making it very difficult to see him as anything else but a baddie trying unrelentingly to get me lynched.

Are you remotely serious right now?
There are no words for how vacant and vacuous this post is.

#1) I have ZERO memory of scolding you for saying you have "a gut feeling about" me. Seriously? Did that even happen? When? Where?

Dom wrote:

Made wrote: No real read on SVS or Dom, but gut is saying Dom, probably just because he's gunning me, so i'm ignoring it.

What exactly does this mean? Your gut is saying what about me? Who was this a response to?

I interpreted the multiquestioning as aggressive doubt of my use of gut feeling, rather than actually saying the words bad or suspicious.[/color]
#2) I have repeatedly voiced my intention to vote you. You are being beyond ridiculous. Yes. I think you are bad. Yes, I solicited other people's opinions of you because I wanted to start a dialog about you. What are you missing? What are you actually arguing? What the hell are you trying to prove?
Nothing, I'm replying to your post. As i said above, The only reason I brought up semantics (specifically about the usage of the word bad) was because I thought you decided that me saying "I have a gut feeling about you" was not enough, even tho it implies that i think you're bad. I don't personally care about whether or not you specifically called me bad. You seemed to, so I attempted to reason with you by using what i understood as your perspective.
#3) You ARE a liar. You have blatantly misrepresented my claims against you. This is especially apparent in this quoted post.
I didn't have a full understanding of your argument until i went back to you reply to zeek. Call me hard headed, but throwing quotes at me doesn't resonate unless it's explained.
#4) I am making an argument for your baddiness based on quotes you have said. That is how this game is played. If you do not want to partake in it, you cannot complain about this. You cannot fight back. You must just sit there and take votes.
Differences in game philosophy. *shrug*
#5) Please, Made, tell me what are my logical and cognitive dissonances? I have pointed out several of yours. Please, do tell.
i was commenting on my own cognitive dissonance. I felt you were bad because you were accusing me which rationally felt off, but you seemed to not be listening to my defenses which, imo, were logical. While I stand by my logic, I can't stand by my vote which i made in frustration. I don't understand your gameplay style but that doesn't make you guilty.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Roxy wrote:Elo can you respond to my post since you responded to everyone else?

MP - My Hedge suspicion comes from her fence riding during the Juliets fiasco. She thought Epi made a "valid" case yet she could still see Juliets as being good. Fence riding at its best.

inre: Hedge: Let me add she did not vote that I could see - which is odd considering she was around.

I have so many pages to catch up on, but just saw this as the last post. I was one of two omg so close to voting but just missed it by 30 seconds voters. I will be around later before the polls ends and can answer questions then.

Linki up the wazoo, but ditto to Elo for reals yo.

If this the main reason for suspicion against Hedgie, i'm pretty sure the exact same arguement came up against her in felt (Hedgiebaddie hedging bets I think llama put it) and she was civvie in that game. So she either a strong understanding of her own meta or just playing how she normally would. I've never playing in a game with an actual Hedgiebaddie, So those more experienced with reading Hedgie viewing her as bad is more damning than the argument itself at this point in my eyes.
(Linki @Juliet- Missed Roxy's argument because i just reread Hedgie. Interesting interpretation of Hedgie's action so far.)
Gonna put away some homework, then come back to reread some more mafia post, specifically the argument against MP.

Do you know why you didn't die Eloh?

Splints, at lunch. Just caught up but not enough time to preply in full. Read the post before my previous, the one that quotes you. It pinged me, and I want to read further into it

Ebdp: fucked up the quote

Dom wrote:

Made wrote:<snip>
Before i forget
1.Dom
2.Eloh
3. Splits(more of a peak of interest rather than suspicion, I need to read further into this.)
.

So... what the fuck
You have NEVER explained why you suspect me. I have gone through my suspicion of you so many times now. You are a liar. I am done.
*votes Made*

Dom wrote:<snip>
Before i forget
1.Dom
2.Eloh
3. Splits(more of a peak of interest rather than suspicion, I need to read further into this.)
.

So... what the fuck
You have NEVER explained why you suspect me. I have gone through my suspicion of you so many times now. You are a liar. I am done.
*votes Made*

You also changed your tune. It went from, "Dom is just saying my name over and over again " to "you haven't said I was bad until now"![/quote]
My tone has change because I am now annoyed, but my tune has remain constant.
You have repetitively said my name(which, subjectively could be read as you attempting to create a case against me, without actually doing so), but you have never specifically said "hey made is bad" until one post ago. The only reason I brought up semantics (specifically about the usage of the word bad) was because you decided that me saying "I have a gut feeling about you" was not enough, even tho it implies that i think you're bad. I don't personally care about whether or not you specifically called me bad. You seemed to, so I attempted to reason with you by using what i understood as your perspective.


The awesome thing about Forum Mafia vs Party Mafia is that everything is on record. If I am a liar it can be proven very easily using my post, so if you would like to actually structure an argument about me on that, be my guest.

Today is not the day Dom. I'm not in the mood right now for bullshit arguments or politics. Either make an argument about me that isn't based in hyperbole and vague quotes or go away. If you need an example of a proper argument, please refer to below.

My argument against Dom
Admittedly, my reason for now voting Dom is based on his accusations against me, and this cognitive dissonances(of my own) is pissing me off. Rationally I know that he thinks i'm bad, and is therefore attempting to frame me for a lynch, a alignment free thing to do-- civvies find it necessary to lynch people too-- however, his hostility and lack of logic and ability to see reason from my perspective is making it very difficult to see him as anything else but a baddie trying unrelentingly to get me lynched.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:who suggested that MP is a cyberman who tried to kill himself knowing it would fail

That would be Keys.

That is very shady.

Made wrote:

Dom wrote:<snip>
And this post is yet ANOTHER reason I think Made is bad.

Made wrote:Cool back on my computer

Dom wrote:

Made wrote: No real read on SVS or Dom, but gut is saying Dom, probably just because he's gunning me, so i'm ignoring it.

What exactly does this mean? Your gut is saying what about me? Who was this a response to?

My gut is saying you're trying gain support for a lynch against me, but rationally I know that even civvies be politickin' these days. This isn't a response to anyone, you both asked where I was/what i was thinking, so I grouped you when giving reads.

Of course, I'm trying to get support to lynch you-- I think you are bad. WTF else would I be doing?
<snip>

Dom, I would like to personally congratulate you. Saying those words for the first time instead of hiding behind a "Hey x, What do you think about made?" is admirable.

Jokes aside, you see the hypocrisy in this don't you? You criticize me for not taking a firm stance on your alignment, yet haven't taken one on me till this post.
If you would like for me to edit my above post to be more firm in my accusations

Made wrote: My gut is saying you're Suspicious for trying gain support for a lynch against me, but rationally I know that even civvies be politickin' these days. This isn't a response to anyone, you both asked where I was/what i was thinking, so I grouped you when giving reads.

However, you brought up something interesting, at least i think this is where you're going with this.

Dom wrote:who suggested that MP is a cyberman who tried to kill himself knowing it would fail

Assuming we're on the same train of thought, bring up such a convoluted (and imo silly) possibility is suspicious. It'd be different if it were Elo, Enri, or SD as they would of had suspicion on them, but if anything, MP's suspicion didn't really gain any ground till today.

Random thought: Weeping angels totally make sense to be in this game, as they don't have a kill, but they could recruit instead(??)

Finished dinner going back to homework

Made, I have been saying I want to lynch you and I want to vote you since forever. You are blatantly lying about this.I brought up several posts showing this IN THIS POST YOU QUOTED. You are a liar.
In addition, you do not even recognize why I suspect you. You are misrepresenting me. Anyone can read this and see that.

Anyone with Ctrl f can see the above was the first time you've call me bad. Semantic aside, it's obvious you've been suspicious of me all game. The ironic thing is, however, that even you're miss representing your arguments against me. In case you've forgot:

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:I'm not entirely clear on your suspicions of Made, is it because he is unclear about your posts? Like he's trying to force suspicion on you over nothing?
<snip>

I suspect made because I think he tried to get someone to run with a suspicion of me without building any case. He simply threw my name out there saying I hadn't explained something that I HAD explained.
However, he then said he MISREAD what I had said. how did he both miss it and misread it?
In addition, Made says that he missed my explanation for why I thought MP was being hypocritical.. however, people WERE waiting for an explanation on my Enrique vote. It makes me think he saw that someone was waiting for an explanation from me, and just assumed that was it. It's sloppy mudslinging if you ask me.

I am not misrepresenting you. No one understands your argument because the last time you properly explained it was on Day 1. 5 quotes (one of which a duplicate) and capslock is not an argument.

Before i forget
1.Dom
2.Eloh
3. Splits(more of a peak of interest rather than suspicion, I need to read further into this.)

Also, Zeek, honestly, LC has flown under my radar. She kinda showed up as a blip when we voted twice in a row, early off in last night's planet poll, but that's about it. Also, It should be noted that I was the first Epi vote, not LC. I voted Epi, but then the poll reset, and changed my vote to a self vote.

really tho, back to homework ._.

linki- If he is me, I try to play different each game. Felt, Misfits, and Monty Python were all different, and expect this game to be too. #MetaKnight

double linki- wait Squid too? stand by...
oh god this post is going to ping the hell out her lol
Regardless, I'm playing this game as a variation of my Felt play, don't want to say much more than that.

Dom wrote:<snip>
And this post is yet ANOTHER reason I think Made is bad.

Made wrote:Cool back on my computer

Dom wrote:

Made wrote: No real read on SVS or Dom, but gut is saying Dom, probably just because he's gunning me, so i'm ignoring it.

What exactly does this mean? Your gut is saying what about me? Who was this a response to?

My gut is saying you're trying gain support for a lynch against me, but rationally I know that even civvies be politickin' these days. This isn't a response to anyone, you both asked where I was/what i was thinking, so I grouped you when giving reads.

Of course, I'm trying to get support to lynch you-- I think you are bad. WTF else would I be doing?
<snip>

Dom, I would like to personally congratulate you. Saying those words for the first time instead of hiding behind a "Hey x, What do you think about made?" is admirable.

Jokes aside, you see the hypocrisy in this don't you? You criticize me for not taking a firm stance on your alignment, yet haven't taken one on me till this post.
If you would like for me to edit my above post to be more firm in my accusations

Made wrote: My gut is saying you're Suspicious for trying gain support for a lynch against me, but rationally I know that even civvies be politickin' these days. This isn't a response to anyone, you both asked where I was/what i was thinking, so I grouped you when giving reads.

However, you brought up something interesting, at least i think this is where you're going with this.

Dom wrote:who suggested that MP is a cyberman who tried to kill himself knowing it would fail

Assuming we're on the same train of thought, bring up such a convoluted (and imo silly) possibility is suspicious. It'd be different if it were Elo, Enri, or SD as they would of had suspicion on them, but if anything, MP's suspicion didn't really gain any ground till today.

Random thought: Weeping angels totally make sense to be in this game, as they don't have a kill, but they could recruit instead(??)

Finished dinner going back to homework

Elohcin wrote: But, Made and Enri may just be that transparent and readable people.

nah that's Dana.


ok, real talk homework, k bye

finding the right color for these is always such a struggle

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Made wrote:Cool back on my computer

Dom wrote:

Made wrote: No real read on SVS or Dom, but gut is saying Dom, probably just because he's gunning me, so i'm ignoring it.

What exactly does this mean? Your gut is saying what about me? Who was this a response to?

My gut is saying you're trying gain support for a lynch against me, but rationally I know that even civvies be politickin' these days. This isn't a response to anyone, you both asked where I was/what i was thinking, so I grouped you when giving reads.

Just read SD, but not in the context of thread. MP, I have a question for you.

What exactly is your philosophy on role hinting and role claiming, and the logic behind this reasoning?

Finna hit up homework, See'yall at dinner!

I'm confused, what do you mean by not in the context of thread? You mean you read her posts in a row isolated from everyone else's?
Yeah, Just clicked in thread and hard read them

Why do you ask? I presume because Daisy was hinting at having a less important, or particularly vanilla civvie, role? You know, it depends. I feel role hinting, when pursued in a more subtle manner, can be an effective tactic for a civvie to take, or even for a mafia to fake. I've done it before myself in both situations. I'm the type of guy personally that has trouble reading between the lines a lot of the time, and it sort of explains why I act the way I do, and why I play a very literal game. So I feel that if I can, in the course of reading the thread, detect a blatant role claim, because I often have trouble picking up on role hints until they're revealed to be obvious, then depending on the circumstances I feel conflicted. If it is a genuine civvie role claim, sometimes they push the boundaries too much, since it borders on breaking the game (to come out and say, for example, "I am K9", if I was Epig).
Does that help? Not sure if that's what you were looking for.
Yup, answered very well. The reason I asked was because of your immediately claiming the reasoning for your survival. It just sounded like something you'd be against.

Cool back on my computer

Dom wrote:

Made wrote: No real read on SVS or Dom, but gut is saying Dom, probably just because he's gunning me, so i'm ignoring it.

What exactly does this mean? Your gut is saying what about me? Who was this a response to?

My gut is saying you're trying gain support for a lynch against me, but rationally I know that even civvies be politickin' these days. This isn't a response to anyone, you both asked where I was/what i was thinking, so I grouped you when giving reads.

Just read SD, but not in the context of thread. MP, I have a question for you.

What exactly is your philosophy on role hinting and role claiming, and the logic behind this reasoning?

Finna hit up homework, See'yall at dinner!

Turnip Head wrote:I see a lot of people bringing up Made's name, I've never played with the guy before, what are some people's concerns about him?

Tldr, I'm not playing super extroverted and agro like I *normally* do.

Honestly it's kinda nice being meek, I'm emotionally detached and at least feel like I'm notice more. The only thing is I feel like I'm only noticing things that are making others appear civvie.

(Also, th, pretty sure it's just Dom saying my name again and again )

Addendum: wait, the above reasoning explains Dana and MP. But Dom, why do you feel I'm sus?

Hi Dom and SVS!
Been keeping up, but I'm not feeling any suspicion right now. Dana, Mp, and Enrique are all reading civvie for me, especially since Epi died. I'm not sure if it's helping or hurting that I know all of them outside of mafia, but they're playing exactly how i'd expect them to, perserving all the tiny quirks in their behavior that seem to hint at their allignment.

I thought that the vote on Daisy was an attempt of a save on Epi, so in light of his death i'm looking more critically of the arguments against her. This, if true, caught my attention.

fingersplints wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I am probably going to vote for Daisy again, unless something *WOW* comes up. She had like 10 posts, mostly wishy washy buddying to MP, then when she starts taking votes she comes back, makes some 20 posts defending hard, then leaves again. Plus the feels I had previously I still have, and the Epi lynch sure as hell looked like a save to me.

<snip>

wait, svs you think daisy's lynch looked like a save for Epi or the opposite?

No real read on SVS or Dom, but gut is saying Dom, probably just because he's gunning me, so i'm ignoring it.

If I had to vote right now i'd vote Elo due to her voting patterns, but even then the thing throwing me off is that a mafia wouldn't blatantly vote group that would they?
I plan to read through the Daisy argument further on the car ride home from school.

Class period is ending, Seey'all at lunch maybe?

Catching up during dinner and caught this

zeek wrote:
The first three attempts on his life will be blocked. Every night, he attempts to find Lucy Saxon, his wife/----a-----. If he finds her, they gain BTSC. Due to your strong ability as a scientist, once in the game he can block? every night action that night to be randomly redirected at someone other than the original target. This -- -- to any including kill attempts.

It's not going to be He and Your, so your is probably wrong.

Ok, cards on the table all game I've been closely watching the actions and interactions of Epi, MP, SVS and Zeek. Based on how votes were landing, and how outspoken he was,I was confident that EPI and one of the above were on a team together, but evidentially i was wrong. I'm not sure where these leave me. Open to suggestions/explanations. Can't say i really understand the arguments against Spacedaisy or Enrique.

Voting Karn based on Gotree's explainations

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Made wrote:

Dom wrote:Made, who do you think is suspicious

I've been pinged hard by Epi all game. I find it sus how outspoken he's been. I get it's his meta, but as others have mentioned, he's been playing it hard, and i think it's a bluff. The thing that makes me think it's a bluff even more is because no one has called him on it.
Going off of what i've been called for in the past, even during Monty where people had a chance to see how crazy i could be in misfits, Epi should be the middle of conversation and suspcion but he's not.

Had it been anyone else this post would be the front of discussion

Epignosis wrote:

Made wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I am telling you to vote for Enrique. What do I have to gain from this?

If he is lynched and is bad, then I get Night killed.

If he is lynched and is good, then I get lynched.

Which is par for the course for me.

Vote for Enrique.

The Suicidal Civvie Gambit. Having been on the opposite side of this gambit, i must say, you can get a very fun chain of civvies dying if you're not careful. Assuming you and Enrique are civvie, this would lead to a train of more civvies jumping on to kill the person who killed the previous civvie.

Linki- Isn't Enrique already president?

I'm not careful.

Good night.

Had it been anyone else, this post would of been the front of discussion

Epignosis wrote:What the fuck with all these people missing votes? I love hosting and I have created many games, and it kills me when people don't participate. Granted, I don't know Dr. Who at all, just that it's some weird British mashup of Back to the Future and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

That's all I know.

Still, if you signed up, have some fucking respect, yes? birdwithteeth is a lazy sack of shit. He acts like he likes prog, but that's horsewithteeth shit. He likes Devin Townsend, who just smashes strings and makes ugly faces. Give this "host" something to do. Okay? Fucker doesn't even cut his hair. And bea drinks. A lot. Maybe more than me. Fail to vote this time, and I hope she smashes an empty vodka bottle over your head. And then draws a dick on your face.

God bless you two.

Voted Enrique. Not changing this time.

Had it been anyone else this post would be the front of discussion

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:Just keep telling yourself that that reworded post meant I was bad. Keep telling yourself.

It didn't mean you were bad. It meant you were suspicious.

I still think that juliet got lynched so easily because someone who was mafia was a top option for the lynch till Epi made his argument against JC, but i'm dropping it because the Rubber band theory seems to be hella strong rn .

Hold the phone. If you've thought Epig to be bad ALL GAME, why didn't you vote him D1 or bring a case earlier?

Made wrote:what showed up on my phone the moment I walked into the stadium (sorry can't post imgur pictures as proper pictures in thread apparently)
For the little it's worth, I was going to vote epi. I have screen shots of the message I typed and intended to send if anyone would like to hear them, RIP Juliet.

also a pot that knows it's being watched doesn't boil. If i recall, you've had your eye on me since the beginning of the game, but didn't (directly) it till till dana brought it up?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dana wrote:

Enrique wrote: Surprised Made didn't vote, really, he's been talking a fair bit.

Made is currently at homecoming right now, but I thought he voted before he left? He has been acting a little bit odd. Not as much like his normal self, can you see it Enri? I feel like he's being more careful than he has been in the past two games, but it still might be too soon to tell.

I had this impression too, I'm definitely watching him particularly closely. If juliets did flip bad, I was going to gun after Made, but now that she hasn't, I'm not totally sure about him.

Given it's not too comparable, but you see my train of thought right.
Epig is pretending to play the game i'm pretending i pioneered. Crazy outspoken (shoutouts to dom for giving me the word i was looking for), and letting suspicion just slide off. So my vote and argument are that we (Especially the more involved members of the game) need to not just acknowledge this in passing, but to address it's validity.

TL:DR STOP IGNORING MY INSIGHTFUL TIDBITS YA BUNCH OF BUTTS

linki-

zeek wrote:

Made wrote:Ok, to quickly clarify everything(limited on time). Zeek, when i said the host comment i was waiting for a reply. I initially did vote for epig, but my vote disappeared. I wasn't sure why and i didn't want to be modkilled so i messaged a mod to make sure it was nothing ( which it was)
I'll revoting now, and catching up

Oh, before i forget, i don't like the premise of the question you asked zeek. I'm not down playing to avoid getting lynched and i'm not baddie either. it's not either or question. Honestly i'm kinda surprised I wasn't called on this earlier.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

Others are saying this is not typical play for you. So surely it is an either or question. Either you've changed to tact as a townie to avoid being lynched as its what normally happens, or your play is different because you're not a townie in this game. OR you're disagreeing that your play has changed at all.

This is the first time i've played this way(well kinda... it's a variation of my felt game). It's not because I don't enjoy giant head shaped targets- I do- It's because i want to explore different fassits of the game. (also I was setting myself up for the "omg, made isn't playing like an idiot, he's totally mafia" in felt mafia and nothing happened, so i'm kinda a little taken back tbh.)

zeek wrote:It's strange he didn't vote for Epig though. I initially took his Epig post as a joke and dismissed it.

According to the poll archive, Made didn't vote.

Ok, to quickly clarify everything(limited on time). Zeek, when i said the host comment i was waiting for a reply. I initially did vote for epig, but my vote disappeared. I wasn't sure why and i didn't want to be modkilled so i messaged a mod to make sure it was nothing ( which it was)
I'll revoting now, and catching up

Oh, before i forget, i don't like the premise of the question you asked zeek. I'm not down playing to avoid getting lynched and i'm not baddie either. it's not either or question. Honestly i'm kinda surprised I wasn't called on this earlier.

Shout to my mods bea and bwt in their absence, stand by.

It's neither zeek .