The Syndicate

I'm Really surprised you guys didn't go for a MP kill. I was half considering knocking him out come the night we killed TH.

Dom wrote:
Made wrote:JFC!?!? Dh, Dom, Mongoose, AND Snow? Foul?
what does this mean

JFC=Jesus Fucking Christ
No, but that baddie team sounds op af
(Op= overpowered)(af= as fuck)

JFC!?!? Dh, Dom, Mongoose, AND Snow? Foul?

Also, what's a pillbox?

DharmaHelper wrote:
Made wrote:
Made wrote:Holy fuck that was a lot to digest. Caught up, and don't have much coming up till next weekend, so i'm around for a while.

Going to start RE:SVS I love her curse, but someone said she outed herself. Was that a joke? Also, SVS, do you know who cursed you?

And as a General read on SVS, she seems more involved in this game than she is in games where she's good. In Misfits and Monty Python, I found myself able to bounce of her easily, later learning that in Misfits she was bad and Monty, she was attempting to get actions drawn to her.

Lilly is interesting... Having not read the harry potter series, I'm pretty sure that re:voldies' bio that if Lilly is a Horcrux, she will disappear by tomorrow. If she's still here, it would more likely be Snapes.
Lilly claim to be killed by Voldie would make her INH which I very much doubt considering 727 isn't currently a thing....unless It's a player that voldie voted for, which i'd call less likely.

I think the claims against TH is pretty weak, as if he were bad and had knowledge of Bass's role, he wouldn't of had any knowledge of Doms. While this could be called a weak theory/attempt to set Dom up for a lynch on today at its most vindictive , I wouldn't call it a slip.

I read over everything carefully, but I feel like i need to read it over again. I think vote analysis of Bass and DF would be the best use of our time for now, as anything Dom is Wifom city.

linki- Can someone explain Potter v SVS? I am so lost.
Taking completely out of context. Dom (and bass) are wifom city because we have to decide if a baddie would vote for their teammate or the alternative. Before I posted this, DH said "a baddie would vote for their own team presumably" or ssomething to that effect. So I said this as a counter point.

Simplifying my point.
There are three possible things a person Could of done during that lynch:

1. vote Dom
2. Vote bass
3. Vote both.

All three are (were? I've only skimmed since my last read)currently being used to say someone is bad

Obviously a baddie did, because those are the only three options!

I think I actually attacked of timmers post with this one so gonna look for a person go vote for now..... I think I know where I'm going....
When did I say a baddie would vote for their own teammate? What.

Sorry, you said the opposite, then snowy show up to have voted for his own teammate, dom. I really gotta go. If i'm online, yell at me.

Caught up

I'm very much ok with a DH vote. If you're voting for me for information, then a Dh lynch makes even more sense

I think i wrote a lead I wanted to take, looking at those who voted snow (analysis that seemed to be ignored today?) and comparing that to other existing info, but I think a DH lynch needs to happen first.

Made is out pppeeeeaaaaccccceeeee

MovingPictures07 wrote: At this point, I'm finding the focus on the Dom/Bass lynch and the DF lynch to be too confining. I don't think that's the way we should be approaching this. I'm not saying we shouldn't consider the information, but to have it be the sole evidence may lead to a couple of civilian lynches.

this is exactly what I was saying previos. Acorrding to the Post from Timmer, you're obviously a suit because you want to look beyond a lynch involving DF and find underlying patterns. Sadly I'm gonna have to vote you.

Made wrote:Holy fuck that was a lot to digest. Caught up, and don't have much coming up till next weekend, so i'm around for a while.

Going to start RE:SVS I love her curse, but someone said she outed herself. Was that a joke? Also, SVS, do you know who cursed you?

And as a General read on SVS, she seems more involved in this game than she is in games where she's good. In Misfits and Monty Python, I found myself able to bounce of her easily, later learning that in Misfits she was bad and Monty, she was attempting to get actions drawn to her.

Lilly is interesting... Having not read the harry potter series, I'm pretty sure that re:voldies' bio that if Lilly is a Horcrux, she will disappear by tomorrow. If she's still here, it would more likely be Snapes.
Lilly claim to be killed by Voldie would make her INH which I very much doubt considering 727 isn't currently a thing....unless It's a player that voldie voted for, which i'd call less likely.

I think the claims against TH is pretty weak, as if he were bad and had knowledge of Bass's role, he wouldn't of had any knowledge of Doms. While this could be called a weak theory/attempt to set Dom up for a lynch on today at its most vindictive , I wouldn't call it a slip.

I read over everything carefully, but I feel like i need to read it over again. I think vote analysis of Bass and DF would be the best use of our time for now, as anything Dom is Wifom city.

linki- Can someone explain Potter v SVS? I am so lost.

Taking completely out of context. Dom (and bass) are wifom city because we have to decide if a baddie would vote for their teammate or the alternative. Before I posted this, DH said "a baddie would vote for their own team presumably" or ssomething to that effect. So I said this as a counter point.

Simplifying my point.
There are three possible things a person Could of done during that lynch:

1. vote Dom
2. Vote bass
3. Vote both.

All three are (were? I've only skimmed since my last read)currently being used to say someone is bad

Obviously a baddie did, because those are the only three options!

I think I actually attacked of timmers post with this one so gonna look for a person go vote for now..... I think I know where I'm going....

Made wrote:Don't have time to catch up atm, but just want to get this out there:

zeek wrote:It's different. My vote isn't forced.
Well that throws a giant monkey wrench in what I was thinking... are you allowed to say more?

Also, here was my thought before you said that (and the reason I voted dom on the wand poll...kinda confused on why people followed me on that but, w/e)
I think Dom is Indy, specifically Hatter. My guess is that there's a caveat in the hatter's role saying that if he forces someone to vote, he must also vote that way. I guess this could translate further and say that now has to do w/e action zeek has to?

This idea would be supported by the idea that Dom's Case on Boomslang was a weak one, something i haven't had time to look into yet.
Thoughts? I'm not sure how this theory would be affected by what Zeek must do.

Dinner, back either tomorrow or late tonight.

This ^^^^ didn't trust him. Given for the wrong reason, but yeah. Going to have to recheck the timmer post for more things to reply to, stand by....

Ok, I have like no time beside right now and I'm on a phone so this is going to be fun. My vote for Dom for the wand was me arbitrarily Throwing it at him. Check my post history... Hold on....

Hey, votes...Catching up...

Today is looking to be crazy. I'll be around late tonight to catch up and sus and things, and likely vote <3

Drivers ed is the biggest waste of time ever. Can't use my cellphone, but Ive kept up.

Elohcin wrote:Missing intentionally? There were only baddies to vote for. Why would intentionally missing help someone's case?

It wouldn't, which is why looking into the advantages if that would be useful.

zeek wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Can people summarize why they are thinking Made is bad? I'm curious. I have some vague ideas, but I can't really picture a case in my head.
Can't speak for anyone else but...

Missing Dom vs Bass, not voting Snow Dog, defending Snow Dog, posting while at the same time saying absolute nothing, the fact he's still alive. I find all these things suspect.

It's interesting how the Dom vs Bass poll is being used, as if it's existance makes everyone guilty. Here me out, there is something to learn from the case, but I've heard voting for Dom makes you a Suit, voting for Bass makes you a sorcerer, and not voting evidently makes you equally as nasty.

Again I want to stress this poll shouldn't be ignored, but maybe looked into further in context. So what were the reasons for each vote and were they strong. Does missing intentionally stand up to reason?

Double so for the idea that only a suit would vote Dom and vice versa. Going to read up on snowy and see what I can catch.

Damn, go squad. So that's two suits and two sorcerers at most. Gonna look over Snowy's voting record, and tell ya'll what i think tomorrow b4 school prolly.
Can't say I saw this coming in the slightest.

Ok, I need to know if DH is bad or not. I have 3 theories floating around in my head right now that would made legit if he's bad.

1. Snowy is bad and is teamed with DH (possible, but least likely imo)
2. Russ and DH are teamed
3. MP is tainted by a bad DH, who he need alive to fulfill his win condition.

There's a narrative, where DH and Russ are teamed and MP is tainted by one of them that i'm likely to believe at this point.

Evidence supporting this would be found mainly in Day 6's lynch, where all three of them switched for a midnight hour lynch, even tho MP reason for switching from Russ was:

MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, what a day period.

Well, I feel better about giving Russ another day since the suspicion on him was close to the end, BUT... the suspicion on LC was even closer to the end, and not really articulated. So... let's just hope he's baddie, I guess?

Even if you are bad, sorry, LC.

I was tempted to vote Russ again and tie it up , but then the poll ended.

I don't understand with both LC and Russ being option today as Russ claimed his hint was a farce, that snowy was the right way to go? Then DH follows, then SD follows, then Russ...like bruh? I don't even.

nijuukyugou wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Several people have said this; what would voting for Snowy have to do with Roxy dying? Was that the only vote Snowy got the whole game? Am I missing something very obvious?
Looking back at the polls, Roxy is the only person ever to actually vote Snowy in a lynch and end it there. Not saying this is definitive proof, but it's certainly interesting.

If this is the case against snow, this is totally bs. Way too speculative for a Day 7 lynch. Beside, what kind of role is "if someone votes for you, they die", and who's secret would that even fit into? Gollum? At this point, I'm tempted to vote DH just because he's the alternative, so i'm going to do that while I look for a better case...

linki: Snowy ++

juliets wrote:I prefer to fold in the people who didn't vote who had been active (i.e., not Lizzy). Bass didn't vote because he was away from home. But also Mongoose didn't vote because she was away from home (I think - is that when you were on vacation Mongoose) and then there is Made. Made, why didn't you vote? Just because they didn't vote doesn't make them good and I don't think the standard holds up that all baddies voted when some didn't because they were not around.

Made wrote:Damn, nice guys. Full transparency, If i would of got into thread before the lynch was over I would of voted Dom, so good thing i didn't.
Raised over $1000 at last night fundraiser!!!!

I meant to vote during a midday break we were suppose to have, but admittedly, it was the last thing on my mind.

zeek wrote:Made, are you ever going to make your vote count for anything?

Yeah, I'm moving it, I was just tired of people ignoring me when I kept expressing I had no clue how SVS supposedly outed herself, figured putting a vote behind it would get some answers, and it did

gonna catch up first tho...

Hello friends!

ok, so Mafia... starting writing this last night, then had to sleep to get up early, and now i'm here again. I've had trouble really getting into this game, but i think i finally got something together worth presenting, check it-- but first, things i wanted to say concerning things between when i started writing this last night, and now(so like a days worth of linki):

1. My love for list
2. I think that DH is really bad this game, but i have no reason/logic to support it. I've went back to read him multiple times, but none of his post are really pinging me, but the collection of his post are, it's for this reason that i think it might be too soon to vote DH, or at least i don't feel comfortable voting for him yet. This is not the same Mp's dislike for the idea of voting DH, from what i understand, which seems to be a hint?
3.I think the case against squid (bloops/niji) is pretty weak as is, but maybe there's something there. As it stands the case against her seems more like a statement of her playstyle( often insightful tidbits) and that her vote record doesn't hint towards or against any alignment. The non-committing voting is pretty off putting tho. The conclusion it leads me to is more blendy indy than blendy baddie.
4. not sure i understand LC's case still, but i lead more in to that in the following....

From the desk of Made 1/23/15 11:30ish wrote:
zeek wrote:I think it's extremely likely that Roxy had her voting controlled by the Mad Hatter actually, as something unfortunate happens to you if you don't comply.
^^ this is true. Honestly, I thought it was a bluff and almost called it day one......

Regardless, game on. I cannot wrap my head around what happened Day 6 and admittedly the day before that, so I want to quickly recap everything. Please correct any misunderstandings.
1. SVS's role is some how compromised
2. Russ hinted last night
3. DH was absolved by Russ' hint
4. Snowy was absolved by DH being absolved
5. LC was the go to lynch in a pinch.
6. 99.9% civvie are being thrown around like they're going out of style

I think the last point is a fun one to tap on, so let's start there....
While it's possible that i'm just that stupid-- i have yet to put together who anyone is supposively hinting to be in this game-- It is possible, if not likely that point 6 and points 1 and 2 from the above are related. That said, I think it's common knowledge what happens when you openly trust people: you put a giant target on their back. This happened this game with TH when we (probably) gave him the helmet, and if hadn't been outed, I'd suspect the same would of happened to MP and his wand.

But let's take this farther. SVS and MP's 99%s were unique in that they supported those not at risk. (SVS's Bea remark and MP's SD remark specifically)
Why would SVS and MP give such strong support to someone not on the brink of being lynch, but simply suggested? I can't think of a civvie motivated reason for this.

While unnecessary in the case of MP, as his role is outed, Bea, what's your opinion on SVS atm?

Ok, next topic LC....what is going on there? can someone please outline the case against him? To me his vote avalanche looked like a save, but to assume that, (on the assumption that this was a save of Snowy, Dh, or Russ as they were the main vote getters yesterday till the very end) they're can at most be three mafia on a team as it stands, meaning snowy didn't switch his vote to assist in his own save, making a snowy save less likely imo. A Russ save makes sense, especially when you consider the possibility MP is linked to either DH or Russ.

Lastly, any thoughts on boom? While reanalyzing him in context i realized in order for my theory to have any merit, Boom would have to be on the same team as Dom and i have trouble believing Dom would try something so on the nose. That said, his vote and reasoning yesterday were pretty suspect.

Going to put my vote on SVS till someone explains that situation to me.

I have so much to say, but i will save it for the morrow. Voting boom.

What the actual fuck?

timmer wrote:Made, DH is at least directly tied to my case on Snowy. I can't very well prove Snowy was bailing DH out if I don't know if DH is bad, right? But every is using DH to add suspicion to their cases, all over the place. It seems clear to me that a TON of people think DH is bad, but that he hasn't stepped out of line directly enough to make an easy case. Well then, my vote is better off on DH than Snowy. But at this point, this day has boggled my mind.

Isn't that circular reasoning tho?

DharmaHelper wrote:
Boomslang wrote:MP argues that we don't need to kill him to win. However, we don't need him alive to win, and his unknown qualities worry me. Voting MP
All this discussion and this is the vote you choose to make? Come on son.

Does anyone else find it strange that two low posters came out of the woodworks during the same lynch?

Boomslang wrote:I really am having trouble figuring out what to say this lynch. Obviously, I'm somewhat happy that Dom is getting attention, because I sure as hell don't deserve the tunnel vision hunt he's been throwing my way ever since Day 1. But jumping on that will make me seem bad, so... maybe I better keep my opinions to myself.

Now that Dom vs. Bass is over, will your share your opinions on either? Were you surprised when dom flipped bad or when Bass flipped bad?

Boomslang wrote:
Dom wrote:Note: next time I'm getting heat-- I'll just say I can't play for a week-- no one will vote for me.

(Not saying Bass is lying, I'm just pointing out how dumb that is)
Agreed. In the interest of making Bass a more valid option for discussion and to forestall a Dom bandwagon picking up steam, I'll vote now.

Did you vote Bass for any reason other than to "Get the ball rolling"?

timmer wrote:
Boomslang wrote:MP argues that we don't need to kill him to win. However, we don't need him alive to win, and his unknown qualities worry me. Voting MP
So, you're just taking a pass on today, then? Okay, let's try again tomorrow.

At the moment, I'm wondering if a DH lynch might be best today. I look through so many different cases on so many players BY so many different players, and the most common thing I see is "and he seemed supportive of DH" or "and he seems to give DH a pass" or in the case of my case on Snowy, the fact that it seemed Snowy was bailing out DH on Day 1.

If every case is partially based on a link of some sort to DH, maybe DH needs to be lynched, instead of "pick your target" who may be linked to him. DH is a part of virtually EVERY case today. I'm switching my vote.

Isn't this the exact reasoning that I got lynched in Monty Python? Has the strategy of voting for the person whose name was mentioned the most ever worked?

i'm back so let's get started shall we?

Long Con wrote:Also, even if Hedgeowl is the Mad Hatter... why would we lynch her? It's not in anyone's win condition to kill the Mad Hatter, barring some secret. I'm especially surprised at MP for voting an Indy, for obvious reasons. What's up MP, is this a trolly jab of some sort? The Mad Hatter also hasn't killed anyone or really done any harm, beyond some forcing-curses or whatever.

DharmaHelper wrote:Hold on, mind-blowing theory time.

We know there are a crazy amount of MIA people. We also know that at least two of them (Made and Rey) vanished after either posting oddly or in Mades case outright being targeted by the Hatter.

What if *some* of these players are not inactive at all? What if they are otherwise engaged? At a tea party perhaps?

But that leaves one question, who could be the Mad Hatter?

The one person to have absolutely zero contact in-thread (and therefore the longest time spent at the Tea Party)

Patient Zero, Mad Hatter. Hedgeowl.

What is this tea party and why wasn't I invited? Would announcing my interaction with hattie removed me from the guest list?

zeek wrote:Oh look, thread evidence.
zeek wrote:
timmer wrote:As to SpaceDaisy. MP, I would like you to go into DETAIL about why you are thinking civ here. Obviously you have an agenda, and the fact that you are outed and playing an ostensibly pro-civ game doesn't change that. You DO have an agenda to see your recruits survive. So when I see you defend someone as civ at this point in the game, if you want me to listen to you, you will need to DEMONSTRATE your reasons. I don't think anyone, outside of your recruits, will just simply trust you. At least, they shouldn't. So I'm willing to listen, how is SD civ?
MP's 99% claim makes me think he chose her as the Narrator and, thus, knows her role.

speaking of which, would the narrator know they are the narrator, or do they just kinda exist in a similar fashion to Concord in presumably this game and Monty python?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:I'll vote for Hedgeowl now because I don't really wanna vote LC or DH and I'm about to take Theraflu, which will basically make me seem like I'm on a serious acid trip.

While the player choice is definitely odd imo, we all have people this game who we kinda trust a bit right? If a player attacks a player that you trust, wouldn't that make you suspicious of both, or does Mongoose think this is civ vs civ?

timmer wrote:And sable is posting in the film directors game as we speak, which kind of pisses me off.

If you notice someone talked in another thread, or in irc or something, would it be improper to mention it in this game?

Woah, that's a lot of linki isn't it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
zeek wrote:It's Sauron that is the threat I'd say. Gollum's win condition is probably linked to this as well. Maybe he'll need whoever gets it dead.
Interesting theory. That's certainly possible.

kinda attached to what LC said, has lilly been around since last night? If she's still around by Day 6, i'd say she's probably worth trusting as Voldies role states that his Horcruxes die the next day.

I get Elo's ring logic, not sure if it's something I'd want to pursue myself...

Anyone else seeing DH as uncharacteristically antagonistic? While I've only played one game of mafia with him and it was helpful reDom, it seems like he's just throwing suspicion around w/o and agenda or clear goal, which seems weird to me.

As a person who typically trust Indys even people I suspect as LMS indies when it's early enough in the game, or civvies are really doing shit, I don't see a problem with keeping Mp around for a bit. It's important to be mindful that he is still fallible, and that while he can be trusted not to be corrupt(unless he just feels like screw civvies over....), if he's chasing bare leads, Mafia would be incentivized to keep him alive.
linki

MovingPictures07 wrote:
zeek wrote:It's Sauron that is the threat I'd say. Gollum's win condition is probably linked to this as well. Maybe he'll need whoever gets it dead.
Interesting theory. That's certainly possible.

Personally, I was thinking Death match, but considering That's what Epi did in LoZ, I doubt he'd do it again. I'm not sure how that would work considering that from the host post it seems that you are allow to give the ring up. Maybe by killing the person with the ring, or getting them lynched before they're are able to give it up, Gollum wins?
I've never actually seen the LotR movies, What does the person get in the movies for having the rings, and what did they get last game?

linki x2

zeek wrote:New theory:

The Wand is related the Voldemort's secrets.
The Cerebro Helmet is related to Omega Red's secrets.
The Ring is related to Gollum's secrets.

I guess the next one could be a hat or a bar of soap, eh?

I doubt this only because It would mean that for a period, Gollum, Omega, and Hattie would not be doing anything, which sounds off to me. I feel like it's more just traditional night polls with effects similar to Doctor who, but providing items to players.

S~V~S wrote:Did I think I knew everything about this potion? Was I wrong? Is it possible that I don't know if it ends after the post?

@ Epi~ Dear Hostie, does it end at the post?

SVS, do you know who cursed you, and are you allowed to share your theories?

Holy fuck that was a lot to digest. Caught up, and don't have much coming up till next weekend, so i'm around for a while.

Going to start RE:SVS I love her curse, but someone said she outed herself. Was that a joke? Also, SVS, do you know who cursed you?

And as a General read on SVS, she seems more involved in this game than she is in games where she's good. In Misfits and Monty Python, I found myself able to bounce of her easily, later learning that in Misfits she was bad and Monty, she was attempting to get actions drawn to her.

Lilly is interesting... Having not read the harry potter series, I'm pretty sure that re:voldies' bio that if Lilly is a Horcrux, she will disappear by tomorrow. If she's still here, it would more likely be Snapes.
Lilly claim to be killed by Voldie would make her INH which I very much doubt considering 727 isn't currently a thing....unless It's a player that voldie voted for, which i'd call less likely.

I think the claims against TH is pretty weak, as if he were bad and had knowledge of Bass's role, he wouldn't of had any knowledge of Doms. While this could be called a weak theory/attempt to set Dom up for a lynch on today at its most vindictive , I wouldn't call it a slip.

I read over everything carefully, but I feel like i need to read it over again. I think vote analysis of Bass and DF would be the best use of our time for now, as anything Dom is Wifom city.

linki- Can someone explain Potter v SVS? I am so lost.

Damn, nice guys. Full transparency, If i would of got into thread before the lynch was over I would of voted Dom, so good thing i didn't.
Raised over $1000 at last night fundraiser!!!!

Going to do a more thorough read, but from the little i skimmed, caught this:
Is forcing a tie so a civvie(stanley) decided the lynch a good idea in close lynches.

caught up. Missed the night poll, but would of voted TH

Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I also object to the notion that Bass is more involved when he's bad. I think RL does factor into his participation a lot, but also I think he's a player who takes it slow at the beginning of games and then picks it up toward the end. In WWE, Bass was almost nonexistent at the start of the game, until after I was NK'd on like Night 7 or whatever, and then I noticed in my deadness that he came out of the woodwork after that. He was a baddie in Doctor Who and I don't remember him being particularly active in that game either. He was a baddie in X-Men and had to be replaced I believe.

However, it is true that after he got recruited in both LOST (on RM) and in Monopoly, that he became more involved after that. But like I said, I feel like he ALWAYS starts games quiet.
Dom, regardless if you think Bass is bad or not, you are obligated as a civvie to get him killed, so do it.
That might be true-- but I have always felt that a quieter bass means a bass who isn't being energized with btsc.
Okay, but I named at least three separate games where that was not the case.

Regardless Dom, you are obligated to get Bass killed. You know your a civvie, and don't know if he is.

DharmaHelper wrote: Dom seems to not want to ruffle many other feathers

I agree, it seems very out of character in comparison to my interactions with him in other games.

This all does fit nicely in the idea of Dom being Hattie. No one has claimed hatter effect because doing so would reveal who Tyler was if hatter is lynched today. Tbh this feels like a stretch. I agree that Dom has seemed passive this game relative to how he normally does me.
As for Bass spot read, I don't have one. He wasn't on my radar, which is suspicious in it's own right.
Now reading through Bass and Dom.

Hello friends, After a crazy application turn in buzzer beater because i don't know how to prioritize, i am back... catching up stand by

Exams are rough, and College applications are also rough. I'll catch up probably after midnight on the 15th. <3

Alright, I really need to go to sleep so i can wake up so i can study for exams tomorrow. My phone died mid post, so i'm on my computer now. This will probably be my last check in before the vote.

I thought for sure DH was bad D2, but now i'm wavering. I'm pretty sure he's caught on to my vague hints so i'll say them in plain text now. A while ago, when playing Resistance, DH gave insight on to his mafia game. He made the point that Facts aren't nearly as important as narrative. A convincing story explaining the reasoning why someone does something is enough to lynch. Story first, facts second. This was cemented by his vague references to Misfits. I thought DH was taunting me in a "I'm doing this, now freak out" kind of way. Wanting me to flip out so people think i'm mafia for flipping out.

Thing throwing me off however is how he's acted night 2 day 3. Just jabs at me, but in a way that seems subdued, as if he's watching someone. While I could wait for the big reveal, at this point i'm more ready to believe he's just waiting for an easy lynch or slip to capitalize on.

As for the Dom theory, I suppose i'll let that go because a role that could be discovered so quickly is quite absurd, however i'm still confident hat has something else going for him

timmer wrote: You want to silence someone to help your team survive another day unscathed. There are two ways to do this. ONE, if one of your team is in a bit of heat, silence them because you know that most players are reluctant to vote for someone who cannot defend themselves. TWO, if no one on your team is in trouble, choose someone to silence who has been playing a very pro-civ game and whose words you want to shut down. Also THREE, never silence anyone not on your team if they may be up for lynch because that is your goal, to get a person not on your team lynched.

No matter how I look at it, if both silencers are bad, Long Con being silenced is actually good evidence that he is indeed likely bad.

I can't see one or three Timmer. I don't think there was enough suspicion for either of them to warrant it day 2. I also don't understand how point two makes them bad.
Also, if that is you in your profile picture, you are incredibly attractive.

Lots of linki, will read tomorrow. I need to sleep. probably won't be back till after school tomorrow, but that's probably a lie because addiction.
*Voting DH for manipulativeness*

ReywaS, I'm assuming that the shaking head means you aren't allowed to edit post or quote only part of a message?

Crap, just realized that today is tuesday, and i might not be back home until 7pm, i have a study hall around 11:40, and should have some down time around 3:00 but i won't be as involved as i might like:

Re: Zeek- Honestly, the case against me seemed like bullshit, but not more bull than most arguments brought up against me. The thing that throws me is DH's suspicion of me. It seems like the kind of unrelenting suspicion i'd expect of like Dom. I mean, seeming consistent is important to avoid suspicion (something civvies are also incentivized to do), but at the same time his reasoning has continued to change and starting to feel strained.

class is ending, i'll be around around 11

Hi, so I'm officially Nocturnal. No school, so i woke up at 6 <_< anyways, lots of interesting stuff.
I think this situation Llama v Made voters is very similar to that of Made V The World in Monty Python.

Found it:

Roxy wrote:Day 3

Get on with it!
Poll ended at Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:49:18 pm

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No votes
Boogs
0
No votes
Bullz
0
No votes
Canucklehead
0
No votes
Dana
0
No votes
Hedgeowl
0
No votes
Juliets
2
birdwithteeth11 (19), reywaS (23) 9%
Long Con
0
No votes
LoRab
0
No votes
Made
5
thellama73 (7), Hedgeowl (8), Metalmarsh89 (9), nijuukyugou (13), Boogs (14) 22%
Metalmarsh
1
Mister Rearranger (5) 4%
Mister Rearranger
9
Made (2), Keterman (11), S~V~S (12), bea (16), juliets (17), Bullzeye (18),Enrique (20), Mongoose (21), Dana (22) 39%
Mongoose
1
Canucklehead (15) 4%
nijuukyugou
0
No votes
reywaS
0
No votes
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
S~V~S
1
Long Con (10) 4%
Thellama73
0
No votes
Oh, anyway, on to scene 24/ Hosts/Mod/GOD/Dead Folk/Nons
4
Roxy (1), MovingPictures07 (3), DisgruntledPorcupine (4), Dom (6) 17%
Total votes : 23

baddies in red.
SVS was Neutral.
While it doesn't prove anything, it a jumping off point. I have a few more close lynches like this if more data is needed. I'm really good at getting lynched. Maybe instead of looking at those who voted me or Llama, we look at those who didn't make a decision to do either

I think the Night poll just proved nothing more than People know who MP is and people like him. This has more to do with who MP is than what his alignment is.
That said does the wand do?

Also Dom, historically, what has been your opinion on "wasting votes", voting for someone you know won't get lynched? I have my own personal philosophy on the subject, but i'm curious of yours.

linki- to tag on to what Juliets said, I think Reywas should do was he did earlier, underline phrases and show whether he agrees or disagrees with them with smiles or pictures.

Dom wrote:Timmer and Rey

Timmer and Rey both voted for MP without any reason in the Night 2 poll.
Timmer and Rey were partners in the Day 2 challenge. I will show you the entirety of their posts.

Timmer started it with:
timmer wrote:Trash Team 4LYF!

Rey then said:
reywaS wrote:hmm.
Timmer said:
timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:hmm.
You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.
He indicates his intention to participate.

reywaS wrote:
timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:hmm.
You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.
I'm sorry. Yes, I'll be around for a little while.
Rey is like yeah dude pls

timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:
timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:hmm.
You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.
I'm sorry. Yes, I'll be around for a little while.
Alas, I saw this too late, and now I must head to bed.
Timmer then says that it's "too late" to play.

reywaS wrote:
timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:
timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:hmm.
You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.
I'm sorry. Yes, I'll be around for a little while.
Alas, I saw this too late, and now I must head to bed.
Apologies. And now I've lost track of the days...I've been thinking all day that today was Friday. Not sure where I'm going to vote...I was thinking I had another day. phooey.
Rey apologizes.

This is literally everything they said on Day 2.
This is highly suspicious to me. Rey went from hunting baddies to chatting with Timmer enough to say all this useless back and forth. This rings as baddie behavior to me. Illusion of participation + talking enough to compete the in the contest, but not to play the game.

I will admit, I remember their day 2 being lengthier when I announced my suspicion of timmer and rey, but I still suspect them for this.

Timmer also voted for me without saying a word which made me very upset with him. Will pursue this and more tomorrow, for real tho, I need to go.

bea wrote:given how dom played indi in who - I don't think if he had that kind of role he's be that obvious unless he had to be.

also- made - you never answered my question. Had your vote not been forced, and if you hadn't had to save yourself, who would you have voted for last cycle?

didn't answer because I wanted to just mega post tomorrow. I would of voted DH, but Interactions between Llama and DH were weird. With Llama flipping civvie, I want to reread DH, but want to take care Hattie Hatterson business first.

linki- since hattie isn 't a straight lynch force, I was looking for some other kinda of flag, and found it interesting that you would vote boom rather than with a vote that had an effect on who died. So i want to investigate that further.

Don't have time to catch up atm, but just want to get this out there:

zeek wrote:It's different. My vote isn't forced.

Well that throws a giant monkey wrench in what I was thinking... are you allowed to say more?

Also, here was my thought before you said that (and the reason I voted dom on the wand poll...kinda confused on why people followed me on that but, w/e)
I think Dom is Indy, specifically Hatter. My guess is that there's a caveat in the hatter's role saying that if he forces someone to vote, he must also vote that way. I guess this could translate further and say that now has to do w/e action zeek has to?

This idea would be supported by the idea that Dom's Case on Boomslang was a weak one, something i haven't had time to look into yet.
Thoughts? I'm not sure how this theory would be affected by what Zeek must do.

Dinner, back either tomorrow or late tonight.

zeek wrote:Okay, so I am making the biggest U-turn in the world ever. Made wasn't lying.

And the Mad Hatter is a very naughty boy.

hi, guys, waiting for dinner to finish, so i got a bit of time.

Anyways, zeek, first, don't say who you need to vote for,
Now, how do you know if it was the mad hatter? what gave it away?

Also, was there any mention of shapes in your message? (don't say what shapes)

Gonna continue catching up while i have time in reverse chronological, but i gotta get this out there.

Long Con wrote:I'm certainly not convinced that there was a "save attempt" on Made. If we confirm that Made is bad, then I would consider looking at Llama voters, but otherwise I'm not planning on using anyone's inclusion on either voting list as evidence of baddieness.

that settles it, let's kill made

Busy with exam stuff atm, so i can''t read over Dom's boom argument in full atm. I'll hopefully do it tomorrow on the way to school or something

Speaking of tomorrow, for your own safety person forced to vote by hattie, don't disclose who you're forced to vote for immediately.

Alright, I'm out for a bit.

yo dom, what's your argument against boomslang btw, I'm not sure i understand it clearly. Same/similar to INH's?

Giving the Wand to Dom

Mongoose wrote:Also: I know Made is newish, but he's not that new. This is the Champ game, and I just don't buy that he would flagrantly violate the rules like that.

I asked if I could, he said I could so I did.

And Mad hatter.

Made wrote: oh, and i'm not cursed. Given, i'd very much assume someone couldn't admit to being cursed, i haven't asked because i'm not cursed. Also, the curse doesn't include a clause that says something to likes of "you must respond no, to every time some say you're cursed" because someone suggested this earlier, and I didn't reply to that message.

Turnip Head wrote:Okay, the answer I got was no, you are not allowed to say your vote was forced if it has been forced. But Made also never said that Mr. Boddy was the one responsible... perhaps Made is being compelled to say his vote was forced, and a secret role is responsible. That's the only scenario I can see that makes any sense and still be within the rules of the game. I still see no reason for Made to lie about any of this when he wasn't even in the hot seat previously. I'm still inclined to trust him.

And like FZ just said, Face of Boe should hopefully still be out there to check out Made tonight.

holy crap, face of boe, forgot about him, good stuff.

Inorder to make sure you don't get a false positive Boe, check this message
I, Made, was told in a host pm that I might die if i didn't vote boomslang.

That out of the my current theory is this...kinda tying into the above phrasing.

As i said previous, I was told to vote boomslang or I would die, but it wasn't a straight threat. It was a "if you don't vote boomslang, I can't insure that you'll live" kinda thing. That was not the phrasing used in the message, but to the same effect. That said, maybe the vague phrasing is part of it? Maybe, this role doesn't have the power to force votes but convince people their vote is forced?
It would be a role similar to I think it was Monty python. In that game a person is told they get to kill someone if they vote someway or agree or something, but in actuality, the role gets a chance to kill whoever they want, regardless of who their victim picked.

with the fact that Boddy's vote forces silence, and my forced vote does not, maybe that proves something else is going on?

oh, and i'm not cursed. Given, i'd very much assume someone couldn't admit to being cursed, i haven't asked because i'm not cursed. Also, the curse doesn't include a clause that says something to likes of "you must respond no, to every time some say you're cursed" because someone suggested this earlier, and I didn't reply to that message.

Welp, ok, so screw contest, I kinda enjoy being alive... responding to things in reverse order:

zeek wrote:Sorry Snow Dog.

Long Con wrote:Has anyone tried PMing the host and asking if we are allowed to tell the thread that Mr Boddy is blackmailing us? I tried it, and found it informative, considering Made said he did the same. I got a one-word answer, I wonder if Made can match the key?
I'm voting Made, because I just did this.

I'm not forced by boddy tho. I asked, waiting for a response. Just a thought tho... the message i got referred to a specific role, but also was a relatively vague threat of death, nothing like "if you don't vote boomslang, you will die". Maybe there's more to this secret role than instadeath?
Re: MP
I answered the questions in purple

Is there anything else i'm missing?
also read over Boomslang suspicions, weird stuff tbh. I'd assume whoever forced my vote would of assumed my forced vote would not be able to point back to them, therefore, they probably wouldn't of created a WIFOM type situation, right?

linki-

DharmaHelper wrote:Since I'm pretty sure I'm out of the contest anyway and llama has been MIA and/or outright ducking, Here are some of my thoughts.

Made wrote:lezzz go homie, i gotcha playbook.
You mean from Misfits, when I pretended my Bullzeye vote was forced? That playbook?

Kinda...Do you remember the conversation we had following a game of Resistance? Gave some interesting insight on how you view deception...

Turnip Head wrote:My support for Made is based entirely upon the fact that I assumed his behavior was within the rules of the game, I'm waiting to hear if that's the case.

I've run into this issue before. For all other games i've played, if claiming something is disallowed when it's true, then claiming something when it's false also isn't allowed. That said, still waiting for a PM.

and more linki:

thellama73 wrote:A lot of votes coming in for me out of the blue. I find that odd, but I guess it's not the first time I've been drummed out of a game ealry.

TH: There are many reasons why Made would lie, some civ, some not. My belief, personally, is in the following scenario.

Made lied about his vote being forced more or less as an experiment, the same way INH lied about his baddie catching engine. I don't think he expected the amount of backlash he got. So far, none of this outright points to a baddie, because civs lie about this kind of stuff too. But when I called him out about Mr. Boddy being the only vote forcing role, he denied it, falling back on *secrets* which I am not buying. I think a civ would have come clean at this point. The fact that Made did not makes me think he is bad.

I didn't post who forced my vote because saving the information would work as a key. If my vote were forced by Mr Boddy, I'd have no reason to believe that a secret player could force votes, and would've made it clear that Boddy forced mine. Skimming through my post now for exact phrasing.

Got a message from Epig...this could get really interesting really fast.....

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