The Syndicate

Now the fun part where you all learn I lied

It adds another complexity to an already well made game that could be fun to play with especially as we get closer to late game.

thellama73 wrote:I think it's insane to vote for a confessed Yotsuba at this point in the game. We need to catch Kira, y'all.

I mean it would make sense from a Kira perspective wouldn't it? It'd be stupid to claim that everyone who votes for me is kira, but at the same time, Kira would likely be more admimate because they have no reason to second guess how helpful knowing who yotsuba could be for their win condition.

When i thought about posting my alignment immediately I thought detective would be weary, and Kira would be 100% against it. I'm still at that place, but i dunno, it's still interesting.
Game mechanic/theory y'all

Going into a further point, the majority of players in this game aren't detective, so why should everyone pretend they are anyways?

Detective's aren't even objectively civvies.
Re: JC, not an out. as my role is still secret.

DharmaHelper wrote:KILL HIM MP DO IT

already cleared it with him, i'm in the clear.

boo wrote: I think one of them is Mikami, and I think that's the priority Kira to get (unless Higuchi has started killing, which I don't think is the case. So Mikami would be the one we could actually lynch to try and box in Light to having to hold onto the note to make him lynchable), I'm just still not sure which one of them better fits. I'd lean towards Made for overall playstyle being more in line with my suspected Mikami style, but FZ for what she has said during this lynch.

Well if it helps you make your decision, I'm Yotsuba.

thellama73 wrote:This is going to be a VERY interesting lynch result.

What makes you say that?

FZ. wrote:Made, what do you think of me? A lot of people find me suspicious. I haven't seen you say anything about me. Since I have votes on me, wouldn't it be best to look at the case on me and give your thoughts?

Flimsy at best.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:What do you mean you didn't reference it? You quoted it. Then you changed the wording of the post you quoted from what you originally posted.

I didn't reread it because I made the post, and had a general understanding of how your post made me feel. I just change the wording because i summed up how i felt in the moment. Both the first post and second post sufficiently explain my feelings on your response to the case Epi made on FZ.

Please find something more constructive than subtle changes in diction to demonize me.

linki- P much fz.... with that in mind, i think you're also probably civvie, which just kinda sucks...

FUCK,
I completely forgot TH is TH who didn't get lynched TH... rethinking everything, stand by.....

boo wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Made, I would like to know why you randomly decided to read Bass to see if anything was there when nobody's brought up Bass before. That seemed... random. Is it because you knew it'd be a quick read?
I brought up Bass before. Day 1 or 2. Although, Made seems to exclusively be looking at people I've brought up before, plus Russ.

It's the plus Russ that is bothering me. FZ agreeing with him on it also bothers me. The answer to Russ has been available, and I think both of them know that, and I think they think the baddie who is killing must not, and they're bringing him up because they want to draw attention to it.

This hadn't occurred to me, honestly. Had TH not just pointed this out, i would of missed it here too...haven't read the front page in like 3 in game days, so gonna do that...

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Made wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Made, I would like to know why you randomly decided to read Bass to see if anything was there when nobody's brought up Bass before. That seemed... random. Is it because you knew it'd be a quick read?
Yes. and in part because this post pingged me when i first read it and still does:
Made wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:so is that what a case is suppose to look like. I feel like I should be taking notes because I suck at building cases.
ok, so skimming on my cellphone has pretty much been my life every free moment as of recent. I've been very busy recently(someone said i didn't complain enough about so there's your bone, friend), so i haven't been able to respond as much as i'd like, but when skimming i caught this

having read the theory, i'd say it was a pretty good one, that made solid points, but the post bass made above read more to me like a baddie trying to gain face
hashing out bea atm, please hold your votes until that's out at least. Going to throw my vote out now so this doesn't become a lynch train just yet.

Made wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:so is that what a case is suppose to look like. I feel like I should be taking notes because I suck at building cases.
ok, so skimming on my cellphone has pretty much been my life every free moment as of recent. I've been very busy recently(someone said i didn't complain enough about so there's your bone, friend), so i haven't been able to respond as much as i'd like, but when skimming i caught this

having read the theory, i'd say it was a pretty good one, that made solid points, but the post bass made above read more to me like a baddie trying to gain favor with another player. "buddying" behavior. having not 100% caught up yet, will read more into bass with this in mind.

linki
DharmaHelper wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
zeek wrote:I'm suspicious of him because he's alive, then :P
But you said that Made is usually dead by now if he's bad. So where could a civvie Made possibly fall on this dead-or-alive spectrum in your mind? Seems like a bit of a contradiction, doesn't it?

Put me down on record saying civs will be inconsistent and contradictory. Not that I approve of it or that they SHOULD be, but that it happens as a nature of not being as careful with your words when you're a civ.
With that being said wouldn't a baddie Made know all this and try to lay low and be as blendy as Made has been?
This could mean nothing, but i'll say it anyways, baddie made at this point in the game would be headbutting someone really had at this point in an effort to appear to be contributing to the game some how, instead of just commenting on thing as they appear.

FZ. wrote: linki: Hi Made. Looks like it's going to be between you and me. Are you good?
I'm alright thanks for asking! Anyways, it's not between me and you just yet. If we both decided to put our votes on Russ, we could probably get him lynched without much effort, i mean what 3-2 right now? it's early enough to make a 3rd option.
Why did you change the wording?

Because i didn't reference my post when i reiterated. I mean I think both are pretty accurate.
It didn't add much to the conversation, which isn't damning on it's own of course(not everything in the game should be on topic), but seemed to serve the purpose of gaining face with Epi by vocally agreeing with him and buddying with him. Honestly, they're pretty close to the same thing.

To Bea or not to Bea
ok, to make this all self contained, going to quickly reference what i've said so far about her.

Made wrote:
bea wrote:I have to start dinner soon. I'm voting made, he feels to me like he's trying to stay under the radar.
Gonna give a little more context on why i think this post is bullshit
1. She has yet to elaborate further on why she thinks i'm bad.
2. far more importantly, I think she (and ninjibloop) reads me better than any other player on the site; Not because she knows when i'm bad or good, because she understand my thought process, even when i'm intentionally being spazzy. The fact she just said "feels like he's trying to stay under the radar" makes me think she just wanted me dead because i thought the argument Boo made had merit to it.

bea wrote: @ FZ - did you read all that crazy "we should lynch the kira's then the detective's" etc from Made? THAT'S bat shite crazy IDC Made I was talking about. This game is ripe for his special brand of crazy spit balling that makes you go "Dude?? WTF are you talking about???"

@ Made - DUDE?????? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? You know the detectives are civs right?

in retrospect, i kinda expected her to see through it first, so hmm...

linki-

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To make this easier to digest, in between quotes will be pink because pink.

Ok, so in the context, In the above I floated the idea of mafia teaming up with civvies to lynch mafia. The idea was stupid, but more than anything, it was reaction to bea posting

bea wrote: Made - It's kinda the opposite reason for LC. Again, I get that RL is busy. He probably is swapped with school. My meta with him is that he tends to flounder a bit when he's bad but he's pretty ballz out right in the thick of things when he's a civ and figures he's got nothing to loose. The particular structures of this game (IE - the lack of baddie bts) seem taylor made for Made to shine, and I'm not really seeing that yet - which is a bit troubling.

So when Bea posted the above, I kinda felt like i finally pulled the wool over her eyes, and that I could finally trick her. However, In retrospect the amount that this worked is shocking, especially from Bea.

bea wrote: I spent most of today worrying about not talking about lynches - and thinking that it'd mean most likely that someone like made would get lynched on "we semi-discussed him nothing more to see here" late last second bandwaggon.

The fact she went from "let's not lynch Made with a hit and run", to this

bea wrote:I have to start dinner soon. I'm voting made, he feels to me like he's trying to stay under the radar.

Is what brought her to the very front of my attention

then there's the actual intelligent argument against Bea. Here's a link the the full thing because it is rather long, but still
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 33#p119833
While people have their kira switching theory as to the new lynch picks, i'm surprised a more straight forward one hadn't appeared:
Since the SVS kill went through went through, then the ace/zomba kills, I think Bea might of Nk'd Ace and Zomba to throw everyone off after the kills lead directly back to her. I think that's the logical thing to do.

thoughts on that or any of the above?

linki- thanks JC

Turnip Head wrote:Made, I would like to know why you randomly decided to read Bass to see if anything was there when nobody's brought up Bass before. That seemed... random. Is it because you knew it'd be a quick read?

Yes. and in part because this post pingged me when i first read it and still does:

Made wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:so is that what a case is suppose to look like. I feel like I should be taking notes because I suck at building cases.
ok, so skimming on my cellphone has pretty much been my life every free moment as of recent. I've been very busy recently(someone said i didn't complain enough about so there's your bone, friend), so i haven't been able to respond as much as i'd like, but when skimming i caught this

having read the theory, i'd say it was a pretty good one, that made solid points, but the post bass made above read more to me like a baddie trying to gain face

hashing out bea atm, please hold your votes until that's out at least. Going to throw my vote out now so this doesn't become a lynch train just yet.

FZ. wrote: I think I'm having a really bad game. Is it that I expect baddies to not change their game so much? and not be obvious? Made, everyone is convinced you're a baddie. I think even more people than me. Is there anyone who doesn't think Made is bad?

No, but really tho. Saying things like this is about the easiest way to guarantee i am.

Turnip Head wrote:And is there a reason you didn't respond to this point, Made?
Turnip Head wrote:
Made wrote:Oh just thought of a good argument for me just being busy, and not blendy: would a not busy Mqde miss a vote on purpose in an MP game?
I'm not disputing you've been busy, I'm sure that's true. But you said a baddie Made would be headbutting someone in the thread to appear like you're contributing. What if baddie Made hasn't had time to do that? What would baddie Made look like then?

I responded with a joke because honestly that's a good point. I don't know what a baddie made would look like in a game like this.

Also Re Boom, I got you, I wouldn't call it a joke option in the slightest, just a fall back option. if I were to find FZ or any other case unintresting. Which is not true re Bea. will more than likely repost arguments against and Bea (prolly not Bass, based on the read through i'm currenting doing.

linki- Fz, the trick is not acknowledging that fact, and going with it. Mixing your jokes/fun with actual cases and options help

Starting: The only case against me right now is that i'm playing blendy. Someone build upon that while I build upon a Bea vote, which i very much thing could and should happen today. (russ as a fall back, just because i don't even understand how he's still alive(as well as the actual case against him))

zeek wrote: This is why I'm struggling to make a decision here. I do feel you've been open and frustrated, but some of your sentiments have seemed a bit hollow. I'm comfortably leaning Made given your responses. Especially as he's suddenly not so busy to post now his head is on the block.

It's called not having your priorities in order. Anyways, gonna go back and read bass to see if i can find anything there, if i don't i'm very likely to vote bea at this point.

FZ. wrote:
Made wrote:
FZ. wrote: Do you think Made is the kind of player to say something so stupid as a baddie?
Context? Is there another outstanding theory against me?
The post about why don't we all cooperate so all sides can win

Oh, that was just me fucking with Bea's ability to read me. Kinda surprised that worked tbh.

bea wrote: @ FZ - did you read all that crazy "we should lynch the kira's then the detective's" etc from Made? THAT'S bat shite crazy IDC Made I was talking about. This game is ripe for his special brand of crazy spit balling that makes you go "Dude?? WTF are you talking about???"

@ Made - DUDE?????? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? You know the detectives are civs right?

in retrospect, i kinda expected her to see through it first, so hmm...

linki-

Made wrote:argument for me just being busy, and not blendy: would a not busy Mqde miss a vote on purpose in an MP game?

meant to apologize to everyone about that btw. After a pulling an all nighter then going to school, I was too wiped to pretend to vote. I will do better.

Linki:

brb, checking my role pm.

FZ. wrote: Do you think Made is the kind of player to say something so stupid as a baddie?

Context? Is there another outstanding theory against me?

Turnip Head wrote: linki: No, you didn't die when everyone was on your case in GoC because I and others naively defended your kooky actions.

I meant the second time around, when people realized me being right /=/ me being good. at that point, I pretty much just put dh at the end of every message. I guess how an action feels and how an action looks can differ, but iunno.

Oh just thought of a good argument for me just being busy, and not blendy: would a not busy Mqde miss a vote on purpose in an MP game?

bea wrote:I have to start dinner soon. I'm voting made, he feels to me like he's trying to stay under the radar.

Gonna give a little more context on why i think this post is bullshit
1. She has yet to elaborate further on why she thinks i'm bad.
2. far more importantly, I think she (and ninjibloop) reads me better than any other player on the site; Not because she knows when i'm bad or good, because she understand my thought process, even when i'm intentionally being spazzy. The fact she just said "feels like he's trying to stay under the radar" makes me think she just wanted me dead because i thought the argument Boo made had merit to it.

linki

Turnip Head wrote:
Made wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:With that being said wouldn't a baddie Made know all this and try to lay low and be as blendy as Made has been?
This could mean nothing, but i'll say it anyways, baddie made at this point in the game would be headbutting someone really had at this point in an effort to appear to be contributing to the game some how, instead of just commenting on thing as they appear.
I've never seen you play this ^^ way as a baddie, Made.

GOC? that's how i didn't die immediately when everyone was on my case.I mean, i only have 3 baddie games under my belt, so i don't have a typical baddie just yet, but i feel like that's what i feel the logical thing to do at this point in baddie mode, act busy when people think you're being shifty so they get off your back

oh, and Zeek, Yes.

linki- Fz's got it.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:so is that what a case is suppose to look like. I feel like I should be taking notes because I suck at building cases.

ok, so skimming on my cellphone has pretty much been my life every free moment as of recent. I've been very busy recently(someone said i didn't complain enough about so there's your bone, friend), so i haven't been able to respond as much as i'd like, but when skimming i caught this

having read the theory, i'd say it was a pretty good one, that made solid points, but the post bass made above read more to me like a baddie trying to gain favor with another player. "buddying" behavior. having not 100% caught up yet, will read more into bass with this in mind.

linki

DharmaHelper wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
zeek wrote:I'm suspicious of him because he's alive, then :P
But you said that Made is usually dead by now if he's bad. So where could a civvie Made possibly fall on this dead-or-alive spectrum in your mind? Seems like a bit of a contradiction, doesn't it?

Put me down on record saying civs will be inconsistent and contradictory. Not that I approve of it or that they SHOULD be, but that it happens as a nature of not being as careful with your words when you're a civ.
With that being said wouldn't a baddie Made know all this and try to lay low and be as blendy as Made has been?

This could mean nothing, but i'll say it anyways, baddie made at this point in the game would be headbutting someone really had at this point in an effort to appear to be contributing to the game some how, instead of just commenting on thing as they appear.

FZ. wrote: linki: Hi Made. Looks like it's going to be between you and me. Are you good?

I'm alright thanks for asking! Anyways, it's not between me and you just yet. If we both decided to put our votes on Russ, we could probably get him lynched without much effort, i mean what 3-2 right now? it's early enough to make a 3rd option.

ebwop, ignore everything before "hello friends"

[quote="zeek"

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yeah, I think you might be right. Made doesn't appear dead to me either.

I'm suspicious of him because he's alive, then :P He's made some strange statements as well, like the one Boom quoted, which strikes me as the experimental baddie Made typically is.[/quote]Hello friends! replying in reverse order, then normal people order then going to case or something. Starting with Epis case on FZ? k lets go.

Epignosis wrote: In summary, FZ. invites us to accept comparing her playing here with her playing elsewhere. I think she said that because she didn't actually believe anybody would do it, and I further believe the invitation was a ruse to make us think she has a "civilian game" and a "baddie game," when in fact she implied that she doesn't:

FZ. wrote:I'm a complicated person. I don't always do the exact same thing.

I agree with your read, but I think the motive you have pinned her down for is more specific/complex than need be.

I doubt that she expected that no one would look at her game, instead, it's possible, assuming FZ baddie, that she just thought she was playing this baddie game differently than she plays her typical one, but you were able to find parallels regardless.

Not enough on it's own for my vote, but a strong direction to look in, will continue to read further into FZ.
link

zeek wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yeah, I think you might be right. Made doesn't appear dead to me either.
I'm suspicious of him because he's alive, then :P He's made some strange statements as well, like the one Boom quoted, which strikes me as the experimental baddie Made typically is.

the fuck you talking about, i'm a terrible baddie, regardless strange statement are fun regardless of alignment.
(oh, btw people, i'm here so if you want to point out things I should prioritize my responses to, be my guest!)

Epignosis wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Epi, what do you think of Made, Zomberella, Black Rock and Boomslang?
, , , and , , respectively.

I can elaborate on any of those you wish in a little while. However, I am in the process of digging up my own juicy tidbit.

As i have 3 project due in the next 24 hours (one due at midnight

) I will not be back till tomorrow after school

Made wrote:
AceofSpaces wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Well, that's interesting. Repeat for Shinigami, or is he Higuchi or a currently unlynchable detective?
Lynch him again after a few Day phases. If he's Higuchi, and he has a death note, he'll die. If he's Higuchi and does not have a death note, nothing will happen. If he's Shinigami, then he'll be outed.

This changed after L's potential role outing. Now he wants the floater votes to go to TH *today*. I'm curious why.
This actually fits into a thought i had but never said:
What if the point of a baddie saying what they did through L was less about Elo and more about suspicious players who have been drawing attention. that doesn't really fit into a theory with Th, but maybe Russ?

Speaking of which, he voted if no one else noticed.

Redax the above, i have no clue what i'm talking about. Heading to bed, tired af

AceofSpaces wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Well, that's interesting. Repeat for Shinigami, or is he Higuchi or a currently unlynchable detective?
Lynch him again after a few Day phases. If he's Higuchi, and he has a death note, he'll die. If he's Higuchi and does not have a death note, nothing will happen. If he's Shinigami, then he'll be outed.

This changed after L's potential role outing. Now he wants the floater votes to go to TH *today*. I'm curious why.

This actually fits into a thought i had but never said:
What if the point of a baddie saying what they did through L was less about Elo and more about suspicious players who have been drawing attention. that doesn't really fit into a theory with Th, but maybe Russ?

Speaking of which, he voted if no one else noticed.

AceofSpaces wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I would also propose this: Anyone who is unable to catch up/ having a hard time / can't decide / whatever - please vote Turnip Head.

You will out him as Shinigami, lynch him as Higuchi, or nothing will happen. That's my thinking. But please don't bandwagon someone else you haven't read.
I thought you wanted us to ignore Turnip Head.

Ignore what he has to say. he very much needs to stay on our radar. What?

Also, another outlier in L's post: the first two were players with large amount of Suspicion, Elo is not. I honestly think we should just ignore this post or use it to figure out who would want Elo dead.

Epi, any thoughts on the stuff i've said above.

*EDWOP Why would a civvie alignment check them with Me, You-- oh wait you're TH..

Turnip Head wrote:That's not enough reason for me to distrust it, personally. There are already other role outing mechanics in place in this game.

Then what should be is the possibility that it's from Kyra, which would fit nicely into Epi's argument.

Here's where my head's going:

I went back to read Elo because i wanted to make a point with Russ that i realized was incredibly pette and dropped it. When i looked back, while she hasn't posted as much as are more prolific players, the majority of her post are incite full and strongly back. Why wouldn't a civvie alignment check them with Me, You-- oh wait you're TH...

I mean with a no, a no, and a yes, and the outlier in post style also being the outlier in post result, it fits.

linki- same here llama re: trust

Epignosis wrote:These are the L posts:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

This is L.

I have determined that the likelihood of AceofSpaces as Kira is right around 4%.

Despite a poorly considered Day 1 lynch, I do not currently suspect AceofSpaces. Maybe don't let him lead any more lynches, though.
"I do not currently suspect AceofSpaces."
"Maybe don't let him lead any more lynches though."

An opinion and a suggestion.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Hello again. This is L.

I have determined that the likelihood of Russtifinko as Kira is right around 5%.

Hmm, the strong silent type. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
"Hmm, the strong silent type. I'm not sure how I feel about that."

Another subjective claim, followed by indecisiveness.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

This is L.

Elohcin has a 0% chance of being Kira, because she is a confirmed Kira sympathizer. She should be eliminated as soon as possible.
"Elohcin has a 0% chance of being Kira, because she is a confirmed Kira sympathizer."

That's pure objectivity containing an assertiveness that was absent in the previous two posts. This is another reason to maintain the opinion that L is not dropping facts into the thread, but his opinion.

I deduce that L is a someone who is learning how to use this role effectively over time, rather than L gaining definitive info on people that he or she can dump in a gossip post.

Do with this analysis what you wish.

OORRRRR s/he has a role that can detect Kira and his supporters (not Higgy Smalls, which would leave the 5 percent uncertainty). S/he however just detected a mafia this time around.

ORRR it's not L at all. I have no reason to believe that other than the fact that this would be an straight up outing form L's perspective, and kinda bs-y if it's real. Even if I knew for a fact Elo was mafia, i'd hold that info and see if i could game it a bit. especially since it's a supporter, not a Kira.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

This is L.

Elohcin has a 0% chance of being Kira, because she is a confirmed Kira sympathizer. She should be eliminated as soon as possible.

hi! catching up, but i just wanted to address this first. Responses are in Princess Pink!

Russtifinko wrote:
FZ. wrote:Russ, while you're here, can you actually talk about the players and what you think about them?
Yes indeed!

As I said before, I think TH has made it clear through his behavior that lynching him is a waste of time. Llama has seemed to be his normal, slightly wacky, gun-ho baddie-hunting self. I started out thinking Epi seemed really bad, but have flipped my stance since he thought he would potentially be lynched and came off as very genuine. Hopefully most of that could be gleaned from my previous posts and votes. I have agreed with most everything Rico has said. He was one of the ones not sad about Yotsuba dying (although clearly lynching them shouldn't be a priority). He's also posted helpful analysis, so even though he suspects me I'm doubtful that he's bad.

boo I started off being absolutely convinced was detective. Then he had a spat with...Epi, I think? Since then I've read him as somewhat grumpy and with a MAJOR dose of tunnel-vision. I'm worried that shut down his interest in the game, and I'm trying to decide whether I think it's permanent. If he could go back to posting more analytically then I would feel a lot better about him. For example, his bea case was kind of a "believe, I promise I'm right" deal in the vein of Zomba's on Snowman, but that's not really boo's (best) play style like it is Zomba's. So I'm kinda waiting on the return of Detailed Analysis boo, but he has my eye for now.

I am a little worried about Elo. Her posts read to me as trying to justify why the baddies aren't bad, and that just doesn't seem like it can be a good sign. However, I usually rely on Epi's read of her to be sure, and he's refused to give one. That would make me worry about Epi too, normally. So I think there are 2 possibilities, and idk how to decide which one is better. Either what Epi posted about not being able to read Elo is true, or (and this would explain why Epi and Elo both aren't talking about it) maybe Epi knows Elo is bad and has decided it's unfair to call her out every single time, s he's just not getting involved.

Finally, I think there's a decent chance Made is bad. I will potentially vote there tomorrow, but I am trying to take a "wait and see" approach based on his recent posts and whether better leads emerge.

Made wrote:Catching up, page 30/45. But I felt the need to comment on this.

[clipped for brevity]...

I would be in the perfect position if i were a baddie this game. In the last 8 pages I read catching up, i was mentioned once, and it was a joke in passing. We need to make sure players like me or FZ seen above aren't slipping through the cracks. I'm not saying to vote low poster, but maybe general mindfulness of low post to content ratio?
This was on Day 1. So he's advocating not forgetting low posters, that's fine. But if we're looking at post-to-content ratio going forward, I think Made is at or near the top of that list.
That's a claim from a player with 25 post and a 25-14 ratio (and that's being generous

D2:
Made wrote:What's the general case on Snowman?

Made wrote:Just looked the votes...didn't know there was so much steam on BWT, Snow, or llama. gonna look over BWT, prolly not going to vote FZ, solid maybe on Snowman. Need to read boo's case on llama.
I'm having trouble finding the case on BWT. quick help anyone?
Also, is there a case on Epi that i don't know about, surprised to see SVS go that way, that said, i've only read the last 5 pages, then back to page 30 or so.
This is weird, because he was on Page 30 on Day 1. I don't see why he would lie about that, but it does seem weird to only read 5 pages and not say anything about how you're busy.Nah, it was a lie.

D3:
Made wrote:Hello friends! this game is very busy and intimidating. That said, i have nothing to do till lynch, so lezzgo. Stand by.
I kind of expected a big post here, but 3 hours later on D3:
Made wrote:Anyways, reading....nothing jumping out at me. This will sound stupid- because it is- but I literally don't have any leads as of yet, of, my own anyways. The case epi has on Dh seems like a stretch, but it merits, especially in the post that MM pointed out. That said I currently think Dh and Epi are both civvie just because to post so much ( i mean an argument the size of a page) and be bad would take a very strange kind of person I would never understand.

Anyways... either going to jump on bandwagon for accountability or self vote because I literally can't find the argument on Snowman.

Thought i'd given myself enough time to read everything and have options and all that jazz, but clearly i hadn't.
Really? 3 hours of nothing but mafia (as you said yourself) isn't enough for one single opinion?that's because i didn't spend 3 hours of mafia. I read like 10 pages, saw that i was exactly the same amount of pages behind as when i started, and stopped playing because fuck that.

To be fair, on D4 he did post a lot of opinions on people, as well as some darned insightful analysis. So that makes me feel a little better about him. If it continues into D5 I could see myself voting elsewhere.

He did say one thing since then that bugs me a lot, though:
Made wrote:Random thought during AP Lit: While I kinda agree with it, isn't it kinda a cough out to vote TH and Russ? gonna check something....

then, after taking votes from both me and bea in a fairly tight lynch...
Made wrote:I say that we start discussion with Russ and Bea. I'll take point tomorrow before I go to work, for now, my head hurts. done with mafia for a sec. might come back later tonight.
Reads like a NO U to me. And a cop-out.

At the end of the "TH and Russ case is a bit of a cough out" post that you clipped I said this:

Made wrote: Yeah, ik it's speculation, but if we're considering killing them, then we should have something a little more substantial than "oh he's acting funny"

Like i said when we put TH on the stand, all we have on you is that you post at weird times and infrequently. I don't think that's enough for a lynch, but i think it's worth looking into. As stated above, I want to start discussion on why you might post so infrequently, rather than try to get you lynch, at least yet.

Epignosis wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Well, that's interesting. Repeat for Shinigami, or is he Higuchi or a currently unlynchable detective?
Lynch him again after a few Day phases. If he's Higuchi, and he has a death note, he'll die. If he's Higuchi and does not have a death note, nothing will happen. If he's Shinigami, then he'll be outed.

Good plan.

I say that we start discussion with Russ and Bea. I'll take point tomorrow before I go to work, for now, my head hurts. done with mafia for a sec. might come back later tonight.

Voted Th to save myself. That said, I still think a Th lynch is premature, so :/

Also

bea wrote:I have to start dinner soon. I'm voting made, he feels to me like he's trying to stay under the radar.

This felt like it came out of no where.

thought the lynch was in an hour...... ok.

I really am not trying to stay under the radar, I'm just trying to get into the game. If i were trying to stay under the radar, i wouldn't talk about how lost i've been this game.

For real, I'm trying. Before you vote for me please read this post.

Made wrote:
AceofSpaces wrote:Has Made posted at all during this day cycle? I don't think he has.
he has not

AceofSpaces wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
AceofSpaces wrote:Has Made posted at all during this day cycle? I don't think he has.
Can you blame him?
No, but it is a little weird to see 22 players alive and only 12 posting. Are puzzles really that scary?
it's not the puzzle, it's just the size of the game. I'll probably continue saying this until everyone dies(or people lynch me for saying it everytime I post ), but this is a fast moving, and intimidating game.
That said, I want to contribute, so here's contributions:
Epignosis wrote:I am going to take the initiative and vote DharmaHelper now. I think he's disingenuous, and I think he's gone after me for sloppy reasons.
having not seen the show, i don't get the "episode 18" stuff you're referring to, but didn't you just say you thought DH was a detective, or at least might be?

Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Yeah... that puzzle was a metic butt-ton of work. Y'all should be celebrating the puzzle solvers, not accusing them of trying to distract or seem helpful. That thing was a nightmare.
I disagree.
i disagree sorta kinda not really.... I see puzzle solving as a neutral activity from anyone who

Epignosis wrote:How many times will DharmaHelper have to fuck you over before you learn when he is a liar?
Largest ping i've had all game. The strongest memory I have of Epig is from Monty python( or was it doctor who....) where he was killed, brought back to life and immediately began developing strong arguments against Enrique. This post, and post like it don't feel like much of an argument, more of a just mudslinging under the guise of baddie hunting.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:My ears are ringing.

Also, I hate to do something over simplified but Russ' very strict daily schedule is making me increasingly paranoid and unless someone changes my mind between now and tomorrow afternoon I am probably going to vote for him.
I agree something weird is here, but i don't think voting is the answer, yet anyways...

Turnip Head wrote:I can think of exactly one person who looked like he was trying to appear helpful regarding the puzzles. It's my buddy Made:

Made wrote:A tip that might help for future puzzles: Phrasing is often similar in roles specifically, so looking for patterns might help.
This was after we were already balls deep in the puzzle. This post screams "Look at me trying to help!" more than any posts from the genuine puzzle solvers.
Well I mean this was exactly what I was doing... Didn't have time to catch up at the time, so i tried saying something so I wasn't 100% useless/absent

Because these are fun (and easy):Pretty pink!

Spacedaisy wrote: I. Hate. Decoding. I suck at it and I don't bother trying. I'm grateful for the work you all did, and now we can focus on the lynch.

Epi: other than a couple small things, I've found him to be the most logical voice in the thread. i don't see myself voting for him.I disagree, I'd say most logical goes to Bea. For me, the aggression i've come to know from Epi is there, but i find myself unable to get where he's coming from a lot of the time.

DH: I think DH and Epi are tunnel vision where each other are concerned. If one of the two is bad I would believe it of DH before Epi, but I don't see it here either.Vice versa for me. In GoC I figured he was bad very early on, but he's playing a very different game here. Just gonna keep watching this one

TH: I have flipped back and forth so often, but it comes down to this... If any of the people who seem to be implying that they are or simply playing like they are Shinigami, TH is the one I most believe could be pulling the wool over our eyes. He is a much more masterful player than this and even though I used to think he was wanting to be lynched, I've come to the point now where I think it was a ploy and am ready to lynch him.The highest poster theory is an interesting one. I don't remember who suggested it, but there might be merit here, and if we need someone to lynch, it's always a place we could go, along with Russ.

Bea: I have not seen anything that stands out as bad from bea to me, but it is true she would kill SVS. I don't know about LC though. I just don't feel confident in a vote for her yet. I've agree with Bea the most by far this game( also she and Ninjabloop are really good at cutting through my bs) so iunno. I'm keeping my eye here because i know she wasn't lynched in Monty Python till people decided to start lynching the most trustworthy people

Made: what is the case for Made? I think I missed this one.Tldr: I show up in thread right before the lynch happens, say something shifty and leave. I'm a short enough read where you can decide if that's true or not on your own

Russ: his absence yet again makes me willing to vote him. It was fishy the first time around and is again now. have we had other silencings so far? Or could this be his role mechanic for some reason?none that i noticed. I'm thinking role, but not sure what it could possibly mean

I need sleep. Night guys.

DharmaHelper wrote:Made I need a hug my brother help me out
you know the faces that the smiles make before they hug kind make me feel a little off

And now it's 2:30 am and I have school tomorrow ... I'll be back before the lynch.

After thought: I can't remember who it is who gets pinged really hard when i post all sarcastic like. This post will probably light them up like a Christmas tree.
something something Smiley Theorem

I just need more time.

Made wrote:
Matahari wrote: I'm glad to hear from you, what you posted about busy threads being intimidating is true, but its still good to hear from a player at least once a day. I don't think I agree with your reasoning in the quoted post. Trying to appear like your role would be role-hinting, and I don't think anyone would want to do that. Or am I misunderstanding you?
I was thinking more that instead of simply voting for Russ or TH because of their behavior, we should attempt to explain said behavior and see where it leads us.

I decided to go the pure speculation route with a role analysis and see if their behavior could match a role, which they did-- at least loosely-- in the above post. While I can't think of any explanation for Russ' actions aside from role which is making me even more weary, the same justification can't be given for TH as easily.

thoughts on the above anyone?

Matahari wrote: I'm glad to hear from you, what you posted about busy threads being intimidating is true, but its still good to hear from a player at least once a day. I don't think I agree with your reasoning in the quoted post. Trying to appear like your role would be role-hinting, and I don't think anyone would want to do that. Or am I misunderstanding you?

I was thinking more that instead of simply voting for Russ or TH because of their behavior, we should attempt to explain said behavior and see where it leads us.

I decided to go the pure speculation route with a role analysis and see if their behavior could match a role, which they did-- at least loosely-- in the above post. While I can't think of any explanation for Russ' actions aside from role which is making me even more weary, the same justification can't be given for TH as easily.

Epignosis wrote: Why do I get the feeling that you aren't really reading the thread?

I am, so that's a good question.

Oh wait Hitoshi was snow wasn't he...my b

Random thought during AP Lit: While I kinda agree with it, isn't it kinda a cough out to vote TH and Russ? gonna check something....

Yeah, what i figured, there's a few ways this could go down. TH and Russ very easily could be any of the 4
L-Town
Kanzo Mogi – One of the most dedicated members of the Japanese Task Force, but also one of the most reserved(Russ? It would fit into the idea of a high poster to have an alternative low poster maybe?). (Secrets)

Hirokazu Ukita – Perhaps the most emotional member of the Japanese Task Force, Ukita is nonetheless absolutely determined to catch Kira, and does not hesitate to demonstrate passionate, admirable bravery.( Th Demonstrating passion by posting every other post?) (Secrets)

Light's Squad
Teru Mikami (X Kira) – As a devoted worshiper of Kira, Mikami has a strong sense of justice and feels evil absolutely must be punished. He adheres to a very strict, daily schedule. (Russ only posting at a certain time each cycle.)

Hitoshi Demegawa – A very greedy man who feeds off of publicity, Demegawa is director of Sakura TV. If L dies, Demegawa asserts himself as Kira’s spokesman and constantly rallies for Kira supporters to participate in various violent acts of protest.(TH posting often to gain publicity?) (Secrets)

Yeah, ik it's speculation, but if we're considering killing them, then we should have something a little more substantial than "oh he's acting funny"

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:I see blue and gold and can't see otherwise.

I see white Tinted blue, but for simplicity sake, i just say white. The actual dress is black and blue for those wondering

Turnip Head wrote:I've seen three different versions of this picture going around, I think that's why people can't agree. The lighting changes how you perceive the colors... dumbest thing to happen to the internet in a while

I see white and gold in all 3 of those

OT, but what color would you guys say this dress is?

boo wrote:Oh bea. I am disappoint. I like civ you. This is not civ you. And you went and killed SVS because if anyone was going to pick up on it first and come after you hard, it would have been her. It was probably the best decision, I'll give you that. But I think it's going to bite you in the ass because of how you've played it. You wouldn't have done it if her coming after you wouldn't have mattered because you're a shingami and can't be lynched, which means you can be killed.
[snip]
I am curious about your kill on LC. Why do it and then frame the discussion in a way that also assigns guilt to you? The WIFOM and getting ahead of it is nice, but LC wasn't really playing normal LC this game, and it would have been easy to argue a player who doesn't know him well did it because he was a middle of the pack poster who wasn't raising a lot of flags, the kind of target baddies like because they are so rarely protected. Although I guess that's maybe why you killed him? Another person who could pick up on your baddie-ness and would come at you hard.

It's funny you mentioned this actually, was just about to bring up night kill theories.
Most games when i'm baddie, i'll knock out the players that are quiet/ are not in danger of being lynched like ever. SVS and LC i'd say are players who very easily could had been lynched, or a case for them could had made at the very least which makes them very odd choices. I'm curious how Bea will choose to respond to this.

Actually, I'll chill for a little bit, took a nap today, so i'll just read and passively refresh the thread till like 4ish maybe...

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