The Syndicate

I'm dead and I was the cop and all of you suck.

MacDougall wrote:

Enrique wrote:I have never been as disappointed in the civvies before.

You deserve to lose.

Lol really? How do you know civvies just caused your lynch?

umm...

lmfao this post

Sorsha green.

I have never been as disappointed in the civvies before.

You deserve to lose.

...

I talk like myself. Shocker. GG ruining the game.

MacDougall wrote:

Enrique wrote:i dont get you people

This sounds awfully familiar.

I hope you don't take offense at me being genuinely confused by DrWilgy's lying and manipulation being in any way civ minded.

I also hope you remember that whole Star Wars thing was a crock of shit and I wasn't aware of my team

i dont get you people

Diiny wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I think a push against a Diiny lynch here isn't a great idea. I and others had him as firmly scum well before Wilgy came along being Wilgy.

Oh my god, the game develops.



Enrique, look back. When zebra posted about the paradigm and I got mad, was that bait? Was I baited? Was she expecting someone to criticize her for talking about the paradigm? Was floyd being floyd bait? I appreciate that my interactions with zebra were bad and that it could seem like I didn't know how to react to wilgy. I've explained the latter and it's out of my hands whether you believe that. (that was me letting him have his ruse cruise before deciding that he wasn't doing what I thought he was doing/could have been doing).

I go hard often on day one. It's gotten me lynched as town (see the game I played before last, also it nearly happened in peanuts). I may have fucked up and overindulged in the tenet of antagonistic posting but I can't see the scuminess you're seeing.

Anyway, I was scared MP was gonna drift through this day and that ain't happening.

I don't know what Zebra has to say about her paradigm post, but I personally took it as a funny little quip and nothing to even bring into discussion, so I thought it was curious that you had such a problem with it. The Floyd thing was bait, at least on my end. He had literally made one post saying nothing at that point, I quoted it with a thinking smiley to signify pretty much nothing and you were sooo quick to jump on it. That's done and you bit. You may have an explanation for all of these, but maybe if you started with that then there wouldn't be an issue. I don't feel ready to believe you.

MacDougall wrote:I think a push against a Diiny lynch here isn't a great idea. I and others had him as firmly scum well before Wilgy came along being Wilgy.

Which is why I'd much rather leave my vote there until I know Wilgy can be lynched. Because Wilgy is bad. Wilgy is very bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Enrique wrote:I thought he was hinting at actually being the doctor, which he pretty much just straight up denied ("nonsense lyrics") and leaves me exactly where I was before. DrWilgy is a liar and he's bad.

DrWilgy seems to always say "I am most certainly (not) a doctor!" every game; is that what you're referring to?

I've never heard of a n0 peek being red, so I don't know why anyone would entertain Wilgy to be telling the truth.

I'm confused as to why FZ. followed it. I'm also confused as to why FZ. thinks I would put in more effort so far as mafia, despite her second post saying I've been "caught" posting too much as mafia before. My posting frequency is not indicative of my alignment.

No. Basically, I realized that DrWilgy being the Doctor was the only way his actions could make any sense while being a civvie. False claiming draws out the cop AND allows him to protect him, right? It's not a great plan but I literally can't think of any other reason a civ would lie so blatantly. He made some cryptic post about watching people in the night and I was like "huh, I get it." Turns out there was nothing to get.

Diiny wrote:Enrique

Diiny wrote:I want to understand what you think wilgy's plan/particular brand of scumminess is, help me out. Because his plan seems bizarre from any angle, scum or town.

The "crazy bastard" brand. Diiny, gonna be honest here, your reactions to Zebra on the first day looked bad as fuck to me. You took every single piece of bait anyone left, you had a pretty unsatisfying reaction to Wilgy's "outing" of you, and overall looked like a baddie that got got. You could be Wilgy's teammate and this could be some crazy tactic to get himself certified civ credit for the rest of the game, I don't know, but the only thing I'm sure about right now is that he's bad. I'm being very serious, and this goes out to you as well as MP, Sorsha and whoever else... if we can get enough votes on Wilgy, I guarantee you we will get a baddie.

linki- how?? How do Wilgy's actions make sense from a civvie perspective at all?

I thought he was hinting at actually being the doctor, which he pretty much just straight up denied ("nonsense lyrics") and leaves me exactly where I was before. DrWilgy is a liar and he's bad.

If lynching him becomes a real possibility, I'll gladly change my vote.

I'm 100% serious btw. If Wilgy dies tonight I will ask to be replaced. I won't make another post on the thread. I'm out completely. I feel stupid for even entertaining the idea that he was trying to do something good. Wilgy is the worst of the worst.

If Wilgy dies tonight I'll allow myself to be lynched without any opposition tomorrow. It's not gonna happen, of course, because Wilgy is baaad to the boooone. Either that or he's actually the worst civ ever. I'll give him a little more credit than that.

this is me rn



Wilgy you're full of shit and I look forward to lynching you tomorrow. I'm out rn but I'll be back in like an hour prob.

Anyway, you're full of shit.

motel room wrote:

Enrique wrote:

motel room wrote:

Enrique wrote:u first tiger

right, i'm suss of you because of your little hop away from your Diiny vote to voting Wilgy after his cop claim, to getting back on Diiny. Reads like you didn't know where to sit and now have a theory involving them both being scum.

I want to hear YOUR opinion on Diiny.

For the record, I've always been perfectly okay with a Diiny lynch. Wilgy did look more dangerous for a bit, but really, as long as we get a bad guy today there's no rush. Lynching DrWilgy is taking too big a risk atm when we know so little about what he's trying to do.

I think Diiny is scum. I think DrWilgy most likely is but until Diiny is gone, we don't want to lynch him.

edgy as it may be I'm not as certain Diiny is scum

Why are you suspicious of me like you said?

The way you're dodging questions and overall saying as little as possible, misplaced faith on Wilgy, vote on FZ. You haven't given me one reason to trust you.

motel room wrote:

Enrique wrote:u first tiger

right, i'm suss of you because of your little hop away from your Diiny vote to voting Wilgy after his cop claim, to getting back on Diiny. Reads like you didn't know where to sit and now have a theory involving them both being scum.

I want to hear YOUR opinion on Diiny.

For the record, I've always been perfectly okay with a Diiny lynch. Wilgy did look more dangerous for a bit, but really, as long as we get a bad guy today there's no rush. Lynching DrWilgy is taking too big a risk atm when we know so little about what he's trying to do.

I think Diiny is scum. I think DrWilgy most likely is but until Diiny is gone, we don't want to lynch him.

u first tiger

Diiny wrote:Moving to FZ for self prez and that.

Someone tell me why they're voting me when Wilgy is literally just lying and there's no such thing as a non vt peek

Because that doesn't make you good.

a2thezebra wrote:My issue is, if scum was handed to us on a plate in the form of Diiny as Sorsha said was the case, how come she never voted for Diiny? It might help if she implied that it was a pressure vote, but it came off as fairly permanent-sounding. Motel Room, similar to you Wilgy, is a big bowl of WIFOM for me at this point.

You voted for FZ too. Regardless of vote, what Sorsha says is important, and I don't really have anything to disagree with.

firmly on motel. Sorsha's cool.

Nope, he was not.

Diiny wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Diiny wrote:Did you see floyd last game? Identical, nay, even less content per game hour. Also note how he completely doesn't actually engage with my post and omgusses me hard

I did. What's your point?

Floyd was scum last game. He is behaving exactly as he did last game. He's doing scummy things.

Should I tell my gut to stop screaming scum for no particular reason? guy hasn't made me feel good about him even after I gave him an opportunity, just used it as a reason to vote on the biggest wagon and run.

Last game? He was good on Pet Sounds, replaced on Star Wars. Played the same both times (which is to say he's barely here).

You should tell your gut to calm down a bit probably.

Diiny wrote:Did you see floyd last game? Identical, nay, even less content per game hour. Also note how he completely doesn't actually engage with my post and omgusses me hard

I did. What's your point?

Floyd in this game, for the record.

Do you actually think Floyd is suspicious?

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm... Do baddies know thier team pre BTSC?

From my experience in Pet Sounds, yes.

hi motel room

Diiny wrote:ALSO this occurred to me: do cops even get peeks on scum? I don't know how things work here but I've never heard it. He's lying so baaaad. He's so bad.

This just occurred to you? Not when he first called you scum?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Enrique wrote:It's not self-sacrifice if he gets to stay.

I can see a way now that it could be civ-motivated, but I don't think it's likely at all. Time will tell etc.

Does something preclude you from expanding on that civ-motivated possibility? This question sounds condescending, that is not my intent.

I think tomorrow would be a better time to talk about this. I'm not sold one way or another, but whatever happens tonight matters a lot.

I think we've got Diiny nailed today, which is great.

It's not self-sacrifice if he gets to stay.

I can see a way now that it could be civ-motivated, but I don't think it's likely at all. Time will tell etc.

I think if you wanted to you'd just say it. Instead you're dodging questions from both me and Zebra.

So I repeat

Anything else?

motel room wrote:

Enrique wrote:Any other thoughts, motel room?

I will say that I agree with you that I think it's unlikely that there was a successful scum peek. I will also say that I'm considering voting for you today.

Anything else? On, you know, anything that's being discussed.

Any other thoughts, motel room?

Diiny should still be lynched. But not because DrWilgy says so.

Okay, maybe calling it "a given" was wrong, but my point is that Wilgy wasn't adding anything new. Diiny was already low-hanging fruit.

Did I mention that he's obviously lying because yeah red peeks are definitely not a thing.

Unless he's a crazy bastard

Boom.

FZ. wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:What makes you suspish of MP?

What worries me a little about him is the way he was asking questions yesterday, but it didn't really feel like he was involved. That said, like I already said in my last post, I expect more from MP. I think it was Epi (or maybe I'm confusing him with someone else), who caught bad MP because he posted more than he did when good. He might have learned his lesson from that, but I don't feel uninvolved MP is a sign of anything. We just need more from him period.

linki Enrique: Oh, I get it. I kept thinking you were saying I was outing the doctor. If Wilgy is bad and throwing a bad Diiny under the bus, then if I were the cop and found out Wilgy is bad, I would risk letting everyone know somehow and bring the town very close to victory with only one more baddie standing.

Fair.

... cop, sorry, I'm bad with role names.

linki- zeeb are you sure you wanna split the vote like that? I also have Diiiny/Wilgy/FZ as my likely baddies but I think it's better we stick to one for now.

You really want the Doctor* out. You know, to paint a completely unnecessary target on his back before he has any useful info.

Diiny had 3 votes on him before Wilgy conveniently "outed" him. There was never talk of anyone else. It was always Diiny.

I don't believe in red peeks. A cop coming out fully with a green peek on Day 1 would be straight up dumb. Wilgy is lie etc etc

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Wilgy has a 3.85% chance of being a cop.

Yeah, but if you calculate into it, the risk he's taking when saying it, I think it's a lot higher. I think that a fake peek, as JJJ describes, will usually be more subtle, and probably include a civ read and not a mafia read, because the latter would be much easier for the baddies to figure out.


linki: I don't remember Diiny going down anyway, as you claim he was, but maybe I'm wrong. If the real cop is out there, it's going to be pretty easy for him to solve this question.

You really want him out, don't you?

Because that draws out ALL the opposition. That civ cred will allow him to coast through the rest of the game unopposed, AND, he might just hook the real cop and get rid of him ASAP.

I think Diiny is bad so it's better we lynch him today anyway. The point is that, whatever Wilgy's trying to do, he's not being transparent.

linki- you're missing the point, FZ. Diiny was going one way or another. DrWilgy "outing" himself did nothing for that case, in fact, it's only looking to split the vote more.

I think "postpone LYLO" is a weird way to put it, btw. We're lynching baddies because that's the goal of the game... not to postpone anything.

Diiny was going one way or another, as far as I can tell you're the only one voting for him because Wilgy said so.

He's hooking the doctor. That's true. You don't need to be good to do that. If the Doctor protects a scummie, that gives them free reign to kill whoever they want that night, plus the cred of a claimed role.

DrWilgy is definitely lying.

FZ. wrote:

Diiny wrote:I'm not going to be able to post any more and I really shouldn't be posting this because I have a deadline in four and a half hours and I'm not done yet. But basically Wilgy's up to no good. He's left it too late for this to be some kind of ruse with the intention of seeing how fast people bandwagon onto me. That said, it's probably telling how quickly some people bandwagoned onto me. Bottom line: I'm town, and wilgy's trying to get me killed.

I agree that he's kept it for too long too, so what would he have to gain if he were bad? That's why I think he's telling the truth.

Zebra, last time ignored an obvious hint I almost saved a baddie. Trying to correct that and figure out what's going on. If Wilgy tells me he was faking it, I'll take my vote off, no matter how it makes people view me. As of now, my vote is staying put.

What would he have to gain if he were good?

weird day / weird game

DrWilgy wrote:

Enrique wrote:I think Zeeb got him completely off-balance and he didn't know how to deal with the heat. I'm changing my vote back. Either way I feel like he's the safest option.

Diiny.

What makes Diiny the safest option?

He looks bad and he's not claiming a power role. If you were saying something before, and if I understood it right, then I definitely think this is the way to go.

motel room wrote:

Enrique wrote:I think Zeeb got him completely off-balance and he didn't know how to deal with the heat. I'm changing my vote back. Either way I feel like he's the safest option.

Diiny.

have you ever played 1080 Snowboarding on the N64?

I don't remember. But I think if we have a cop and a doctor, then they should know exactly what to do tonight. Diiny is the way to go today.