The Syndicate

INH has been screaming I AM BAD IM SO BAD to me from the beginning. I don't have the greatest case but I would be very surprised if I'm wrong.

I just don't have a lot of energy for this game, and looking at the numbers and past lynches, it's looking pretty bleak. I don't want to "throw the towel", but I don't feel like I have a lot to contribute and there's not really room for mistakes anymore. I'll be here and all and will try to muster up some energy for tomorrow, but I should've asked for a replacement way earlier in the game.

So we pretty much already lost this, right?

Sorry for going AWOL. I don't really have a good reason, I just can't keep up very well and am poor at time management.

insertnamehere wrote:

Enrique wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:I can see an INH vote, but I haven't had time to seriously look into it. I don't have time for a full ISO but I'll take a gander at the history. Of the three wagons, I think Sorsha is the best, and Serge's is decent as well. I'm not really feeling the timmer wagon right now, but I would also be comfortable switching my vote to LoRab, if we could get enough.

The case on me is just all the old Wilgy stuff + Timmer and Sorsha not liking me talking about them, and viewing any suspicion I have of them as inherently disingenuine and suspicious because they said earlier that they find me inherently disingenuine and suspicious.

If anyone wishes to engage me on either of those things, feel free to do so, and I will respond.

Will you vote for one of timmer and Sorsha?

Timmer and Sorsha have set up a kind of Catch-22 here. If I vote for either one, it clearly means that I'm bad and the only thing behind my cases against them is my apparent seething rage at having them throw my name around.

People have so little faith in the concept of objectivity, especially when it comes to other people.

I'm not seeing the case on Serge, mainly because I led a lynch against him in my last game due to his acting more or less the same way as he's doing here. He was a civ, I was embarrassed, and everybody went home depressed. I haven't seen anything that makes me feel he isn't playing the same exact game as he did there, and I don't want to him to get lynched over it.

Yes, I do find T+S suspicious, but I've also somehow become the dark horse for this lynch out of absolutely nowhere, and if I act genuinely, and vote for the people I find suspicious, those same people will use that to suspect and likely try to lynch me.

So I'm kind of stuck.

I really, really don't understand this. Why would it be so bad to lynch the players he suspects?

Scotty wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Scotty wrote:I would also suspect that Spacedaisy was forced to vote Drumbeats on top of bea voting Sorsha and espers voting serge. In case anyone is counting.


In reading back through the votes from yesterday, here's some notes:
Drumbeats looks slightly better.
espers looks slightly worse.
Turnip Head looks worse.
Epi looks slightly better.
Enrique looks slightly worse.
Timmer looks slightly better.

I'm not sure how those compare with the GTH reads from last night.

Everyone else is pretty much in limbo. I have a few people I trust more than others that I don't feel like painting at this time.

I would acknowledge that I wouldn't mind my own office, but im not actively campaigning.

Didn't Drumbeats vote the exact same way as TH... three times last night?

Yes? Wouldnt you like to respond to my criticisms of your vote?

Okay. I think INH is bad.

Scotty wrote:I would also suspect that Spacedaisy was forced to vote Drumbeats on top of bea voting Sorsha and espers voting serge. In case anyone is counting.


In reading back through the votes from yesterday, here's some notes:
Drumbeats looks slightly better.
espers looks slightly worse.
Turnip Head looks worse.
Epi looks slightly better.
Enrique looks slightly worse.
Timmer looks slightly better.

I'm not sure how those compare with the GTH reads from last night.

Everyone else is pretty much in limbo. I have a few people I trust more than others that I don't feel like painting at this time.

I would acknowledge that I wouldn't mind my own office, but im not actively campaigning.

Didn't Drumbeats vote the exact same way as TH... three times last night?

I was silenced earlier in the game.

What's the topic?

#Bea2016

Yeah I'm pretty sold. No turning back from this.

Epignosis wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Did you guys know I didn't vote for Gabe?

I need to hear some strong opinions from this man.

Kansas is the greatest rock and roll band ever.

Keep 'em coming.

inh you know exactly who's good and who's bad why u playin

Epignosis wrote:Did you guys know I didn't vote for Gabe?

I need to hear some strong opinions from this man.

Spacedaisy

timmer

Juliets

Good

Good. The poll left a bad taste in my mouth, but gth, timmer is good.

Good.

DrumBeats wrote:Humor them INH.

GTH

espers

insertnamehere

LoRab

Good

Bad

Good.

linki- TH, take a shower, man.

Scotty

Serge

Turnip Head

Bad

Bad

Bad.

DrumBeats wrote:GTH:

enrique

Epignosis

fingersplints

Good

Bad

Bad.

DrumBeats wrote:Gun to Head:

bea

DFaraday

Drumbeats

Good

Good

Terrible.

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

Enrique wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:Did you read my LoRab ISO?

... no sorry. been busy.

Either way, CFDs are lame. Especially on players who haven't been around at all.

LoRab has been lurking a lot though. I keep seeing her online browsing this. Plus the sketchy Quin push and weird stance on SVS that felt forced.

I'll read your ISO on her in a bit, but why in gods green earth is that a justifiable reason to vote for someone in the last 10 minutes?

This question is for TH also.

My answer is "Because this is a game of mafia".

No but really I already explained why my vote was in flux. Sadly I wasn't around enough this phase to discuss it much.

Linki: Oh snap

Is that it?

... I can live with that.

DrumBeats wrote:

Enrique wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:Did you read my LoRab ISO?

... no sorry. been busy.

Either way, CFDs are lame. Especially on players who haven't been around at all.

LoRab has been lurking a lot though. I keep seeing her online browsing this. Plus the sketchy Quin push and weird stance on SVS that felt forced.

Maybe she got silenced?

Guys what the fuck just happened? Seriously, those last 5 minutes, what is wrong with y'all?

linki- like I said dude, you never considered a scenario where either of them were bad and everything worked out for you.

This lynch was a clusterfuck, but now I'm convinced at least one of you three is bad. I'mma say, tho, TH's last minute fuckery makes it unlikely to be Sorsha.

DrumBeats wrote:Did you read my LoRab ISO?

... no sorry. been busy.

Either way, CFDs are lame. Especially on players who haven't been around at all.

Turnip Head are you... okay? This has been a really weird day for you.

This LoRab thing stinks.

linki- no read on LoRab, I have no idea what's up with this. I'm voting inh.

insertnamehere wrote:

Enrique wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:I can see an INH vote, but I haven't had time to seriously look into it. I don't have time for a full ISO but I'll take a gander at the history. Of the three wagons, I think Sorsha is the best, and Serge's is decent as well. I'm not really feeling the timmer wagon right now, but I would also be comfortable switching my vote to LoRab, if we could get enough.

The case on me is just all the old Wilgy stuff + Timmer and Sorsha not liking me talking about them, and viewing any suspicion I have of them as inherently disingenuine and suspicious because they said earlier that they find me inherently disingenuine and suspicious.

If anyone wishes to engage me on either of those things, feel free to do so, and I will respond.

Will you vote for one of timmer and Sorsha?

Timmer and Sorsha have set up a kind of Catch-22 here. If I vote for either one, it clearly means that I'm bad and the only thing behind my cases against them is my apparent seething rage at having them throw my name around.

People have so little faith in the concept of objectivity, especially when it comes to other people.

I'm not seeing the case on Serge, mainly because I led a lynch against him in my last game due to his acting more or less the same way as he's doing here. He was a civ, I was embarrassed, and everybody went home depressed. I haven't seen anything that makes me feel he isn't playing the same exact game as he did there, and I don't want to him to get lynched over it.

Yes, I do find T+S suspicious, but I've also somehow become the dark horse for this lynch out of absolutely nowhere, and if I act genuinely, and vote for the people I find suspicious, those same people will use that to suspect and likely try to lynch me.

So I'm kind of stuck.

You don't seem to be considering the possibility that they are bad at all. Just that they're "suspicious".

insertnamehere wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I'm down to swing this lynch onto INH. No grand unifying reason, I just don't get great vibes from his participation and I don't like the current top three candidates.

Quick Question for you TH: If someone says they want to lynch you because they get bad vibes off of you, is there any possible adequate response to that? Or do you just have to shrug and say "Sorry that you feel that way," and move on?

When you feel bad about someone, is that grounds to suspect you?

insertnamehere wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:I can see an INH vote, but I haven't had time to seriously look into it. I don't have time for a full ISO but I'll take a gander at the history. Of the three wagons, I think Sorsha is the best, and Serge's is decent as well. I'm not really feeling the timmer wagon right now, but I would also be comfortable switching my vote to LoRab, if we could get enough.

The case on me is just all the old Wilgy stuff + Timmer and Sorsha not liking me talking about them, and viewing any suspicion I have of them as inherently disingenuine and suspicious because they said earlier that they find me inherently disingenuine and suspicious.

If anyone wishes to engage me on either of those things, feel free to do so, and I will respond.

Will you vote for one of timmer and Sorsha?

Sorsha wrote:

Enrique wrote:Sorsha, this is the case on you: SVS dying allows you to wash your hands clean of TH. That's not hard to understand either. That's why baddies kill people, because letting them live isn't convenient. If her death is good for anyone, it's you, because you don't have to deal with the consequences of her flip. You won't even admit you were wrong. It all just goes away.

Also, sorry guys, I was busy today reuniting with family etc. I promised a post a while ago and I'll get working on it.

Oh yeah... That's working out great for me then hey? It all just went away

If I was bad and planning on killing svs why bring up the th suspicion on the condition of her flip? That makes no sense to do it that way.

Because uhh
we're not supposed to know you're bad. I think the most problematic part is how you just shrugged away TH the moment SVS was dead.

DrumBeats wrote:

Enrique wrote:Your second question: I don't know if she was forced although I really doubt it, but I'm convinced she wasn't bad and no one threw her under the bus. Unless one of the secret roles has post-mortem powers I'm not going to change my mind.

This is an interesting opinion, can you elaborate on it please? What motivation do you see for a civilian SVS whose vote was not forced to vote Quin that early, and then pretend that it was forced afterwards? Just trying to follow the logic and see if I'm missing anything.

... oh did she say it was forced? I don't remember that part. Does it matter? Not really. There doesnt't have to be a motivation, votes are changeable, and if she was forced then maybe just get it out of the way. I definitely don't think it was to kamikaze Quin and get absolutely nothing out of it.

Sorsha, this is the case on you: SVS dying allows you to wash your hands clean of TH. That's not hard to understand either. That's why baddies kill people, because letting them live isn't convenient. If her death is good for anyone, it's you, because you don't have to deal with the consequences of her flip. You won't even admit you were wrong. It all just goes away.

Also, sorry guys, I was busy today reuniting with family etc. I promised a post a while ago and I'll get working on it.

Do you suspect bea, timmer, and TH or are they your town reads?
Now that there are only 6 unrevealed roles and no explanation, do you believe it is possible that SVS's vote was not forced and could be scum?

Those are my strongest civvie reads, I can usually get behind their posts and feel comfortable putting my trust in them (to a healthy degree). I recognized I may be a little biased because here and in past games I agree with them a lot (Bea and TH at least, I'm not sure I've played with timmer), but I'm usually right to and I like to think I'd be able to tell if they weren't being genuine. I haven't played many games here and my memory is faulty, but I think they're playing pretty accordingly to their meta which involves a lot of challenging opinions and keeping a cool head. As for timmer, he (she? I always thought she but people are using he) just reads very genuine to me, and I'm getting a big "lynch a civvie for little to no reason" vibe from this day. Controversial opinion: we're all kinda hypocrites, and I don't think doing the same thing that you sus someone for is as much a baddie tell as just a little dissonance (especially considering how uninvolved timmer has been). It just feels like an easy and misguided wagon to fall on. Even a little lazy.

Bea suspecting me feels pretty natural but it's wrong. It's interesting that the Hedville players are being targeted, but I'm not sure I understand the motive? I was in Hedville and all, but I wouldn't think of myself as belonging more there than LP/Piano/others. There's a lot of new folk here and I do like playing with familiar people

TH is confusing me at this point. I was shocked to see how easily Scotty bullied him into voting timmer. Maybe he's holding back, maybe it's sincere, I'm not sure but it is eyebrow raising. Then pledging his vote to me... yeah I don't know how comfortable I am with that, lol. I was hoping he'd explain a little but no dice so far. Whatever, he'll be back.

Your second question: I don't know if she was forced although I really doubt it, but I'm convinced she wasn't bad and no one threw her under the bus. Unless one of the secret roles has post-mortem powers I'm not going to change my mind.

bbl im boarding a plane BUT expect content on splint and serge kbye

Serge wrote:I will vote for timmer.

Why is this happening?

lmao i'm taking adhd meds now so that might be a part of it

Why do we fall, yung Turnip?

what

Turnip Head wrote:I don't think it's hypocritical at all. I was trying to get my top suspect lynched and he flipped civ. I told you to put the low poster thing on pause because I thought you were redirecting from Matt. That has been shown to be false. What's the problem

I don't get it either. Matt was your suspect, and supposedly Scotty's too, of course you'd prioritize him over any low poster. I didn't read your second post as saying "oh ya imma kill me some low posters!", but rather, it frustrates you to have little to work with... and that's perfectly normal. I don't like being put in that category, but come on, no one likes low posters. There's nothing hypocritical about telling Scotty to focus on what's in front of him instead of deflecting with non-existent players.

He joked about it, and while I do still find Sorsha sus, this is Epignosis harping on an inconsistency. He doesn't have to be bad, but do watch out for this sort of nitpicky manipulative behavior. It's not a great look.

Is Serge bad?

*shakes magic 8ball*

Something feels off, but his moves come off really aggressive for a baddie don't they? The poll was I'd say pretty intentionally ambiguous, so how can you base your whole game on who voted what option? Well, here's a possibility: he has info, just... not from the poll.

Serge do you wanna elaborate on why you chose Epignosis?

Serge did you have info for last night's poll?

Sorsha wrote:Yes, but at this point in time I don't have any reason to suspect him. If things had gone differently, I would have.

Convenient, isn't it?

DrumBeats wrote:

Enrique wrote:Okay, seriously, how ridiculous is this? It's on par with Golden saying I threw Nero under the bus in Arkham. Some people actually believe this:

SVS is part of a baddie team~ said team has the power to end one day early, and they find out that killing Quin will give them two nights of funsies. Only a few minutes into the say, SVS takes matters into her own hands (because she doesn't want to play anymore? do we have any indication of that?) and decises, on day frickin three of the game, to pull some stupid manouver to out herself that early into the game. The argument is, well, she can still talk her way out of it or play it as a setup... right? Haha no they decide the best way to spend their extra kill is on her In two nights and a day, two civs and a baddie died. So that's... completely standard. They get absolutely nothing out of it. "But it throws the town off".

While, you know, THEY COULD HAVE KAMIKAZEED QUIN AT ANY TIME, AND NOT KILL THEIR TEAMMATE.

I can hardly trust anyone who is framing it differently. It's not some huge complicated issue. They killed a civvie because that's their job, and having the pick of people to blame for it is only an extra.

The only thing is that if they killed their scummate, it would never be revealed that she was scum.

The fact that it has apparently happened before makes me think it might happen again here. Do I think that for certain? No. But do I think it is worth considering? Yes. And we can find the answer later, through what the role list reveals. If there is a method by which SVS's vote could have been forced, SVS is likely a civ. If not, then there is no reason a civilian SVS would have had a forced vote, and thus SVS would likely be mafia.

My thought : Why argue over what alignment SVS is right now, when:
1) She's already dead.
2) It will be revealed in time due to the role list in the OP.

Let's focus on lynching baddies, who are your top suspects enrique?

Also @ Serge - I see the ghost vote. Explain it please.

EVERYONE

bea, th and timmer the least of all

I'm a liiittle hesitant about the Matt lynch because if you've played with him before you know he's very... unorthodox. I can see where it comes from and I'm not gonna oppose it, but lemme drop a little vote on Sorsha. She actually seems to be taking advantage of the (artificial) ambiguity around SVS' death to back away from TH no questions asked. She was never proved wrong, but now that SVS is gone we can forget every related case aye?

plane jfc lol

oh christ sorry for all the typos ive been catching up in my spare minutes between leaving my plain, going through customs, checking baggage etc and getting on a bus

Next 2-3 hours should be gucci.

Okay, seriously, how ridiculous is this? It's on par with Golden saying I threw Nero under the bus in Arkham. Some people actually believe this:

SVS is part of a baddie team~ said team has the power to end one day early, and they find out that killing Quin will give them two nights of funsies. Only a few minutes into the say, SVS takes matters into her own hands (because she doesn't want to play anymore? do we have any indication of that?) and decises, on day frickin three of the game, to pull some stupid manouver to out herself that early into the game. The argument is, well, she can still talk her way out of it or play it as a setup... right? Haha no they decide the best way to spend their extra kill is on her In two nights and a day, two civs and a baddie died. So that's... completely standard. They get absolutely nothing out of it. "But it throws the town off".

While, you know, THEY COULD HAVE KAMIKAZEED QUIN AT ANY TIME, AND NOT KILL THEIR TEAMMATE.

I can hardly trust anyone who is framing it differently. It's not some huge complicated issue. They killed a civvie because that's their job, and having the pick of people to blame for it is only an extra.

Does she have to be bad for any of that?

DrumBeats wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'm curious as to whether heavily suspecting a player before they are night killed is a civ look or a bad look. In SVS' case, Drumbeats drove that tunnel home. (JJJ did to an extent as well. In JJJ's case he claimed indie, which I'm choosing to believe)

But i think it's a smart move to be an antagonist of someone right up until the edge of the night so that when that player is killed you can throw up your arms and go "woah! I'm sorry guys, I was totally wrong!" It gives you more options to lynch the next day. Plus, those people that were defending her civiness look worse.

What I can't understand (and I thought about it last night) is why on satan's red earth as a baddie you would kill a prime lynch candidate. My BIGGEST suspicion of Drumbeats was predicated on the assumption that SVS was civ, and now we can't know for sure. But I strongly think she was civ.

It might be confirmation bias at this point, so I'd like other people's opinion on this. We still don't know if she was forced to vote Quin, or who forced her, but I have this nagging feeling that Drumbeats set up SVS to get lynched by jumping right on her after the Quin lynch as confirmed bad.

Or maybe you're setting me up for a mislynch by killing SVS so you can claim she's a civ? I tunneled SVS because I was, and still am, relatively sure she was mafia. I've detailed my reasoning on this about a thousand times, so if you find any of it disengenuine feel free to point it out. From what I've heard, the reasoning for killing ScumVS is actually more sound than a civilian SVS, but I do agree that both are possible right now.

This is the second time that you have based a suspicion on me on an unknown alignment of a nightkill. I'm starting to think that you have more information than you are letting on about their alignments

Explain in your own words.

DFaraday wrote:I'm not sure why people are trying to figure out Epi's alignment based on SVS' remarks. It seems she only said he was bad once during the Eternal Night, and with very little reasoning given. I don't see that as cause for a frame-up or a kill to protect Epi.

What do you think, DF? Was she bad, was she good? Who killed her?

Sorsha wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.

I forgot to respond to this. I don't really understand the connection you're drawing. I'm sure I've defended SVS just as often as I've accused her, I'm probably batting .500. I feel okay about your motives though so feel free to keep an eye on me

It means I question your ability to read SVS and I feel like you lean civ on her a bit more than is warranted.

ripiywg SVS... it's not unheard of for the mafia to kill one of their own. Especially if they thought she would be getting lynched today, plus it saves her team from having to defend her. And it makes everyone go WTF.

Pressed send too quickly. These theories around SVS are insane. Her team could just... not defend her... and just get her lynched instead of wasting a kill. It's moot now but wha???

Sorsha wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.

I forgot to respond to this. I don't really understand the connection you're drawing. I'm sure I've defended SVS just as often as I've accused her, I'm probably batting .500. I feel okay about your motives though so feel free to keep an eye on me

It means I question your ability to read SVS and I feel like you lean civ on her a bit more than is warranted.

ripiywg SVS... it's not unheard of for the mafia to kill one of their own. Especially if they thought she would be getting lynched today, plus it saves her team from having to defend her. And it makes everyone go WTF.

It's not?

Dom wrote:

Night 3.2 - A Mexican Stand Off

SVS has been killed.
It is now Day 4. You have 48 hours to find a baddie.

LOL the baddies really got a sense of humor

voted gabe and other bc yea

SD. I had second thoughts about that word, but what I meant is that it came off shallow and disingineuous (artificial, fabricated, whatever). It just looks like it's trying to check every box, you know? You have considered this and that, but arrived at [inoffensive conclusion]. Yeah you go through a whole justification process, but the whole time it looks like you KNOW where you're going. One second 3J and DB are suspicious, and you immediately let them off the hook. You nitpick SVS' posts, but it never looks like you're steering from "SVS would never do that". It feels redundant, like the post only exists for reference and not because you care what the outcome is.

I don't know, and I recognize I could be wrong, but that's what it looked like to me. Sorry I was a dick about it, I'm just tryna' catch some baddies.

Scotty wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I can only say what I would do if I was in this position. For now I'm going to assume there is only one baddie team because it says they kill every night, and most two-mafia setups will rotate the kill. The other variables:

• I am a baddie with the power to end at least one Day phase early.
• I may or may not know Quin's role and the benefit it would bring me by lynching him.
• There were two deaths on Night 2, indicating that Andy has either used his one-time ability or there is another third party killer.
• It is Day 3 in a 30 (?) player game.

Given all this, I would absolutely not vote early, end the Day early, in order to take out 2 civilians. Why?

I can feel reasonably safe that my power will not get taken out at Night, if Andy has no more kills left.

I can feel reasonably confident that Quin will not be killed at Night because I am on the only baddie team.

That means that I can use this ability any time during the game, and am in no rush to sacrifice myself to use it this early.

I can save my power for much later in the game when it will cause a bigger tempo swing, perhaps even sealing a victory for my team before the civilians have a chance to crucify me.

Using this power now indicates that I do not feel the need to use it defensively, ergo no one on my team is in danger of being lynched soon... but this will absolutely change if I use this ability in this way, and now I've wasted my only chance to prevent it.




The only time I would use this power on Day 3 is if I can use it more than once, or if, in using it, I will implicate players who are not on my team.

This is not SVS's first rodeo, and she knows how powerful such an ability is. While lynching Quin eventually is a priority for the baddies, this was the least impactful way they could use this ability, and that's not her style.

I would argue that implicating SVS in the lynch is a much better gambit than SVS implicating herself.

I missed you.

DrumBeats, what drums do you use?

Hello Mr. I Haven't Posted Since Tuesday.

What do you think of...anything?

I have opinions.

I know Michael and Dwight are like, the main characters, so likely civ. Who are Gabe and Ryan and why would they be bad?

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if a baddie were making that play, they wouldn't know when the complete list of roles would be revealed. And by that point, maybe the waters would be muddied enough that the damage would have been done. Let's say that there IS a civilian forced on even nights, and forced a BAD SVS to vote Quin, they would know Quin is bad so they could hide behind the premise that a) SVS would never do that as bad and b) there is a civilian vote forcer that forced her, so it's really out of her hands.

I think it's a hard road right now to come back from without complete WIFOM.

So you think that she was forced by a civilian to vote a certain way, and instead of just doing that and not arousing suspicion, she also forced the lynch to end early, shining the spotlight solely in her direction... while simultaneously hoping that the baddie vote forcer she knows exists will be revealed after the civvie vote forcer she also knows exists, her very life depending on this gamble. Also you're assuming that SVS knew Quin was bad even though he was revealed as a civilian role? Maybe that part was a typo.

I'm so lost as to what people think SVS's motive is here. I guess we think she wants to be lynched.

Someone please walk me through this from point A to point B.

The way I see it, SVS trying to pull this off would be ridiculous, because it'd be so much easier to just... you know... not do it.

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I am of the opinion that 3J was bad.

Who among you was going to mount the charge against him?

Required reading.

I'm going hunting for his teammates.

As a player in that game I don't necessarily see the similarities. How do you suppose he died last night then if you think he is mafia?

I thought he was bad though.

lol

I didn't feel good about him but I wouldn't go as far as to assume he *had to be* bad. He died last night so yeah that's a pretty good look for him I'd think.