The Syndicate

man i keep winning games that i really didnt deserve to. sorry team for being lame

great game wilgy you crazy bastard. i forgive the "poisoning" if only cuz u won

oh oh what i didnt realize this ended tonight

lol

Simon

I honestly DO NOT get it.

well jesus then i guess we should base our whole game on nonsense logic and nothing could be done to stop it

I am not a Hutt and there's nothing to this case that I am. I mean, seriously? MM's ISO of BC's interactions puts me as likeliest teammate? Did anyone even read that? How does one reach that conclusion what the shit

AND WHY DOES NO ONE ELSE SEEM TO NOTICE THAT

But Golden pointed out that Erique and Simon both proceed to vote for Bass within minutes of this. I do buy this theory now. This looks really bad for Enrique. It is also noteworthy that Enrique had no response to bcornett's vote, another sign he might have known it was coming.

This here especially bothers me. Damn you Golden for making that seem like it makes any sense whatsoever.

MY vote was a direct response from BC's. THAT was my humano response. I was JUST talking about how I'd put off voting for Bass unless there were no other options. Then BC puts me SIX (not five) vs four votes a shit and of fucking course I had to vote then.

SIMON DIDN'T VOTE RIGHT THEN. In fact, DF got a vote for Roxy in before Simon showed up. Know what? That was still a while before the deadline. A fuckton other people could've nailed me in that time.

I WAS NEVER ON A TEAM WITH BCORNETT AND THERE WAS NO "COUNTERWEIGHT" TO SAVE MYSELF.

How can you actually believe that? Christ on a cracker IT MAKES NO SENSE.

This whole thing is such a massive stretch I honestly can't believe you people are reaching the same conclusions.

yeah wasn't he lynched for making a bunch of cases that were hollow and came out of nowhere

Golden wrote:

Enrique wrote:well that's just dumb and doesn't involve me at all. what if bc voted because he wanted me dead and i voted because i wanted me alive and thats that? and wasnt the whole point of that that i lived and thats why it was a counterweight? wouldnt bass have died a hell of a lot easier otherwise?

It doesn't work.

Sure, it doesn't work. That's totally why I've never done exactly that to get civ cred.

My theory might be wrong. I called it a paranoid theory. But the move has both merit and precedent as a baddie move. It's hardly 'just dumb'.

Okay. But there's no connection. I actually look at this as a bigger reach than anything I said about Russ or the Tuskan Riders before. You're basically making the assumption that we're teammates because he did something he wouldn't do to a teammate to get cred? I... yeah fuck that.

MacDougall wrote:You know what enrique sounds like to me...

He sounds like me when Matt tried to convince everyone I was the Psycho Killer in Talking Heads when I was bad.

He sounds like a bad guy who's caught for a non viable reason and is super angry about it.

how am i expected to sound again?

MacDougall wrote:

Enrique wrote:well that's just dumb and doesn't involve me at all. what if bc voted because he wanted me dead and i voted because i wanted me alive and thats that? and wasnt the whole point of that that i lived and thats why it was a counterweight? wouldnt bass have died a hell of a lot easier otherwise?

It doesn't work.

Dude are you kidding? All of this is straight up shit logic. BC voted as a counterweight, but then not, he just wanted to kill me, so that means we're likely teammates!

None of it works. Not one bit.

sig wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Let's not go easy on Simon. Any 8 year old whose parents are confident can play a game of forums mafia with adults must be capable. I trust his parents wouldn't feed him to the sharks. Don't underestimate kids these days man, most of them are smarter than us. I have a 4 year old who has the social nous of my 14 year old self.

I agree I think either a Simon lynch or a Enrique lynch will benefit us tomorrow.

The only game I've seen with this scum BTSC setup was the Dune game. In that game when a certain teammate was lynched/killed the one outside the BTSC was let in. So in that game when I was cruelly lynched through no fault of my own, TH came into our chat. So in theory starting this phase Greedo could've been added to their chat.

Another point on Enrique, he was very confident that the person who poisoned him was an independent. This would explain if he is a Hutt why he is confident that he wasn't poisoned by them, or this could've been a joint effort to get Russ lynched for whatever reason.

This... doesn't make sense. If I said Russ was a Hutt that would have been a LOT more heat on him. I went through my whole thought process ITT and explained why I didn't think it was the Hutts. And it mad sense.

This is horrible logic.

well that's just dumb and doesn't involve me at all. what if bc voted because he wanted me dead and i voted because i wanted me alive and thats that? and wasnt the whole point of that that i lived and thats why it was a counterweight? wouldnt bass have died a hell of a lot easier otherwise?

It doesn't work.

Zeeb I'm reacting as if two votes alone are enough to put me in the ground.

Here's what I see from the poll:

BC votes for me and puts me 5-4 over Bass.
I vote for Bass and tie it up.
DF votes for someone idr and it stays 5-5.
Simon votes and makes it 56.
A shitton other people miss the deadline.

How does that add up again, Golden?

MacDougall wrote:

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:bcornett also broke a tie between Bass and Enrique yesterday, giving Enrique a vote, and a 5-4 lead over Bass. I think that's worth keeping in mind.

In fact that is my point and a cornerstone of my theory. The two votes that went on Bass after that are Enrique and simon.

Dude how does your mind work backwards like that. That is some very exceptional deduction!

This is also without taking into account the number of people that didn't vote. Does that risk really sound worth it to you?

a2thezebra wrote:I haven't even said anything about voting for you yet Enrique, it's not even Day 4. :P

Here we go again like I can't read between the lines.

linki- also a reminder that bass got lynched at random? im cursed ffs nobody else knew that

linki2- sig i dont get you. you connect me to simon, not bc, then connect simon to bc. but then you think you should lynch ME because of that?? thats some faulty logic

It's a completely logical point. I agreed with BC several times over this game. Gimme some credit I'm not gonna shadow my team like that.

linki- zeeb this is all stuff other players did, what do you want me to say? ill gladly lead the charge against simon if thats what it takes to clear my name dont fucking vote for me when i have +3 thats just rude

a2thezebra wrote:

Golden wrote:Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

Simon makes sense, but why Enrique?

Simon saved me last time. I'm thankful and all, but he's still a pretty good bet for tomorrow.

Yes, Mac, that's me being very clear about not thinking BC is bad. So much for that.

@sim: weird, I don't remember saying either of those things. My views aren't usually so black and white on anyone.

linki- yo what how does connecting me with simon make me a likelier teammate than... you know, simon?

woop

got damn. Apparently I missed the whole dealio but that's an amazing result.

So if today was Alderaan, and it didn't explode, that means we're still safe tomorrow right? When does Moffy choose what planet to boom?

Sorsha wrote:

Enrique wrote:Somebody needs to hurry up with my cure tbh before I die over one bullshit vote.

How does the poison work? Is it always +2 or does it increase each day?

Increasing votes every day. So +3 tomorrow.

Somebody needs to hurry up with my cure tbh before I die over one bullshit vote.

Ah well shit. I was in the middle of getting my food from the cafeteria and I missed the deadline. Between Zeeb and BC, I feel better about the latter gettin' it. I'm actually pretty confused that Zeeb got so close to dying. Bubbles, Eloh, Roxy, Simon. It feels weird that she'd have to be saved at the last second when there's so little going on with that case.

a2thezebra wrote:That would be a triple tie, Enrique.

Nope. Luke + 2. I'm in this too, that's the scary part!

shit i'd vote glorf rn but quadruple tie is bad-bad. i dont wanna be the last either. what do

yo whatdafup

shit i'm late. ok so to answer you mp...

i dont have a strong read on zebra one way or another, she just seems like herself and i havent learned to tell her civ and bad games apart. some of her perspective i can understand, some less so. i dont think she should be lynched today.

sig? well, pretty much what i've said before. his game reminds me a LOT of matt who was my teammate in pet sounds. the same way theyre kinda there but mostly just reiterating opinions and asking questions. im not super familiar with his playstyle, but its reading bad to me.

and SPEAKING OF PET SOUNDS. i dont think we should lynch bc either, because this feels SO MUCH like why we lynched him on pet sounds. ofc my baddie team was taking advantage of him then, and we basically jumped at the chance of accusing him of being too harsh on a low poster (which sure got the crowd going). this feels like the exact same. just replace luke with bubbles.

out of the three of us (zeeb bc me) id sooner vote bc, but i still think roxy or even sig are the better options. id also take glorfindel over any of us three, but i feel maybe the way he plays is just the way he plays and it doesnt necessarily make him bad. its peculiar for sure.

sig wrote:I don't like the votes on Zebra, and can we even still sell votes. Wasn't that a special planet ability?

Simon broke the tie lynching Bass over Enrique, this is slightly pingy, but keeping his age in mind I wouldn't put to much stock in it unless Enrique is scum.
@Enrique how does your poison work, I'm assuming one additional vote each day?
If this is the case what do you think of Luke's vote and who do you plan to vote for today?
I'll be willing to hold back voting for you some of your responses seem civvie, and I'm confident if you're scum you'll slip up soon. So I'd like to discuss who your biggest scum reads are.

Drunken MP is funny, but I must ask MP why do you think I'm scummy?

That's how I think it works, yeah. "Incremental votes each day."

idk what to think of Luke, not giving it too much importance since fly-bys are something people just do in this game, apparently. Out of the people currently with a vote, I'd be most comfortable lynching MP, but ideally I'd rather see Roxy up there. I'll still vote to save myself if necessary.

Glorf I kinda get the feeling that you're just trusting whoever is nice to you at any given time. Zebra is demanding something from you because this is a game and she thinks that will help her play it better. It's no big deal, and it really shouldn't be getting in the way of your judgement.

MM, I don't know what's the deal with Glorf, but leave me out of it. Whatever game he's trying to play, it has nothing to do with me.

Mac, can you name 3 players that you don't think are scum, or at least not yet?

Dom wrote:Enrique-- who do you want to lynch?

I feel a little out of my depth here. I've spent the last few days kinda sick / exhausted and especially stressed. I still don't think Russ is good, but I don't think anyone gives a shit about that and he hasn't been around for me to add anything new to that so I might have to just drop it for now.

I think there's a pretty decent chance we've found something with Roxy. Now, I don't have a problem with her last couple posts re: what you said about Bass, because let's face it, that's a weird post (I don't give a shit one way or another but I can see why she would). It's just the way she tries so hard and continues to defend her "random" vote. I mean, I really don't think it would be as big of a deal if the majority of her posts weren't just a back and forth with Zeeb that all stems from there. It seriously shouldn't be.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who do you think is mafia?

uymmmm i think amybe glordinfel and sig and mayeb riss and roxy

,man i still need to talk more byt i really thijkoing florfindel

Hey umm so why is this a list of everyone I mentioned in my last post? Had you even been back since? No, like, those are the exact four people I'm not sure about Roxy but I don't remember you having much to say about sig or Glorf.

Then again, drunk post. I just wanna hear more detailed thoughts on why you chose those people.

a2thezebra wrote:This is your third. Post.

Yeah this is a sucky trend. C'mon peeps, the least you could do is vote for each other if you're so worried about your p-score.

Luke11646 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Master Yoda says:

Be trusted Enrique cannot. To be on the side of good MovingPictures appears. So friendly some of his words are not. Watched, he must be. Said to be manipulative, zebra's actions are. To consider something we need. Herh herh herh.

I trust Yoda, so I'm voting For Enrique

*eyes roll all the way to the back of my head*

So, just for the thread's consideration. This means I'm leading the poll. Give a shit or not, it might be something to take into account. I have Luke's completely out of nowhere first post in a week vote and two extra ones.

Sorsha wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I am voting for Elohcin. I don't feel like her vote for zebra is genuine.

:P

Perhaps you are zebra's teammate.

For real though...Zebra's tone just isn't of her normal civ self imo. Could I be wrong, sure. But I think Bass and Enri both have a good chance of being civ. So I didn't want to place my vote on either.

As far as I know I'm not on zebras team, I'm a part of the rebel alliance so if she is too then yes, we are teammates.

Now, yes. This is an LD verifiable statement. But... it's definitely weird, right? Like, I don't feel it was asked for or anything. Just a random "hey look how civvie I am!" and then that's that.

Golden wrote:I thought we had lynched Matt F, but I think Enrique is his ghost!

I think Enrique is sincere and I'm not really as suspicious of him any more as I was yesterday. I think his responses have made sense and seemed genuine. However, I'm not going to entertain this notion of the dots he has put together at all. Enrique, you may believe it all you like, but I don't think you are right about it.

It's not like I can be sure either, but I prefer working based on those dots than being in the dark completely. I think the Tuskan Rider poison secret role is about the best explanation as to how that could happen especially on Night 1 before the Jawas started selling their shit. I don't think Russ is up to any good either, which has been a thing since before I got poisoned. So 2 and 2 together, and this is me hoping to get a straight answer.

@Glor- Chill. I appreciate your vote and all but that comment immediately stuck out to me. Vanilly is one of my earliest Mafia memories (that must've been like what, early 2012?) and I think it's a funny mistake for rookie or more lackadaisical players to make. idk what you are, but I'm pretty sure the only completely vanilla role in this game is the Stormtrooper (which would be a silly role to claim..). I guess the concept of a "power role" is vague enough that I can get an idea of what you mean.

As a general and I guess more personal note, something came up and I haven't been feeling very well today. I don't know if I'll be much better tomorrow, but I don't think it's a good idea to be putting a lot of energy into Mafia right now. I do it anyway because you know I love it. Just know I may not be thinking completely straight and showing a lot less patience than usual. (If that even means anything. I'm having to rewrite my sentences a few times to make sure they make sense and I just can't think too hard, especially in English.)

a2thezebra wrote:Why are you afraid of controversial opinions? If they're genuine then they should help you. And if you're not up for ISO'ing everyone (believe me I don't blame you) at least give a list of your reads.

I'm sticking to Russ being who I think he is. Yes, that's a bunch of dots to connect through speculation instead of concrete knowledge but I really really believe it. MP would've been his most likely partner, I still expect developments on this and especially a reaction from Russ who's been absent for a while, but I'm not nearly as confident on this. MP's most recent comments have boded well, but then there's the issue of the Day 0 softball and then that weird as hell interaction the other day. I don't know. But I'm guessing if Yoda had any information at all, which he might not, he was going off what he knows about MP. (Yes, I let unsupported speculation get in the way of my thoughts a lot.)

I think Roxy missed the whole point of the randomized vote dealio. Like, you're allowed to say it's just a coincidence, it only gets weird when you start going back and forth as to whether other people's reasons are relevant or not. If it's random it's random. If it gets you in trouble, well, tough shit... you still gotta own up to it.

This is the first time I play with sig, so I don't know if this is his usual self. I feel kinda bad for calling him redundant earlier, but seriously! I've had the same thought several times over the course of this game, and I guess it's not a terrible/scum quality, but it is when you're stubbornly ignoring everything else. Like, I don't know, something really doesn't add up with this dude. Here at the beginning of the game he's like "hey Enri, that is actually incorrect, but maybe we're just overthinking it!" and then out of nowhere when I'm becoming a hot topic kaboom! He uses that same post against me! Oh wait what the fuck. I went looking for this post the other day but I couldn't find it, so I assumed I had just hallucinated it and was being unfair to bring it up. Here he straight up says "I don't think it's lynch worthy, just an observation." But the more he thinks about that observation, the less he likes my posts. I'm being hit from other angles too at this point, that's true, but he never mentions any of that. He went back and forth over that same post over and over. (the post i linked reminds me that anyone still claiming that their vote was "the least negative on the civvies" is still complete bullshit. what more could you ask for than yavin ffs). Here he votes for me, after re-reading my post (again. he sure seems fixated), and I remember calling him two-faced, then later apologizing because I was imagining things. Nahh he actually did me dirty. (i AM sorry if that came off as personal in any way. but really it's not my intention, we're playing a game here)

Sorry if this was still a ton of content about me. But onto other things about him, he's reminding me a lot of Matt's game in Pet Sounds. Questions, questions, clarifications, questions, general inoffensiveness. He's present in the thread, but not really going anywhere except for the "VOTE ENRIQUE" hot button which gets more and more aggressive each time. I DO have a problem with the way some people reacted to my poisoning revelation. You're guilty of this too, Zeeb. It keeps being played as "but this doesn't mean you're good" "you could still be mafia" etc etc and using it against me when by your own admission it doesn't say anything one way or another! I'm stuck in a position where there's nothing I can do, because I still don't wanna die and I still stand by my town-ness but people treat it as something bad.

Shit I made it about me again. I'm bad at this. But want some interesting insights? Counterwagons are a thing! Baddies get poisoned too! A post mimicking another looks EXACTLY like the other, and it's suspicious! The Empire didn't kill! (ok, maybe that last one is a bit unfair because it's the same kind of speculative shit that i love, but he doesn't go anywhere at all with it... btw wouldn't it be hilarious if mishimeals was darth vader and that's why they didn't kill. take note for when their replacement comes in.)

Zeeb made this same point about me, that I apparently only talk about myself and apparently am not really contributing on other fronts. Am I allowed to say the same about somebody else? Because dang, I've been accused of having "easy opinions," but there's enough controversy surrounding me that you obviously know I have those and more. I don't know what sig's opinions are because he's playing such a safe and inoffensive game.

Golden stands as a player whose wavelengths I can at least get a sense of. BC kinda lost me with the way he voted and his justifications. You don't need an ISO on everyone to know what's going on in the thread. He's doing an ISO on Bass but doesn't remember his content? Yeah I'm not following.

MacDougall is a confusing person and I look forward to his thoughts today unless they involve lynching me because I'm so done with that shit.

Have I mentioned Glorfindel yet? He's new and maybe doesn't have a great sense of the game yet, but his "power role" comment reminded me of Illy claiming to be a vanilla civvie in Buffy Mafia... a game without vanilla civvies. Maybe it's a reach and he just wasn't taking the more passive roles into a count, or maybe he just doesn't know them (it always takes me a bit to really get my mind around the roles). But whatever the case is, it stood out to me so that's a thing.

also i was reading some of my old posts and i'm pretty sure i've been mafia'ing while on my sleepy pills a lot... this is kinda funny, i'm really bad at sentences sometimes. i blame them for how much slower i've been in the last few days.

So maybe it's like "we need to consider everything I just said."

It's not that I care so much about your specific opinion but I thought you were being pretty not cool, added to the influence those posts will have, and my +2 votes today. Like, at this point, and especially after Master Yoda himself has forsaken me I'd be pretty damn lucky not to die over a ton of bullshit adding up.

I can do ISOs if necessary but who knows how many more controversial opinions those will bring! Maybe on a few players. ISOing I think 6 people on Pet Sounds took me forever and it was a much smaller game and I was just making shit up because I knew who the baddies were lol.

linki- I think Yoda just has a boner for MP tbh which speaks well for him, but not for the people who have suspected him.

fuck off yoda

Hey maybe you'd feel better about me if I did an ISO on everyone!

a2thezebra wrote:

Enrique wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Enrique wrote:I NEVER said anything like "I'm good because I'm poisoned." Sig is not just equally manipulative of the facts, but completely redundant. He's especially good at pointing out options THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY. Seriously. Look over his post history. He does it over and over and over again.

I guess I stand corrected? It sure as suit seemed like you were trying to make it appear as if you being poisoned made you look better (and it seemed to work on your teamma-I mean, Elohcin), but okay. My point still stands that you are not helping yourself by posting nothing that isn't related to you or any scumhunting that includes some honest, original input.

Which is a bullshit point on itself? I'm talking about myself a lot because I've happened to be relevant a lot of the time, but uh yes I consider myself very much a part of the thread on other fronts.

Could you elaborate on how exactly you are a part of the thread on other fronts?

like shit what am i even supposed to say. I contribute where I can, form a part of discussion, I don't fucking know what you want from me. I play a certain way and why you think you know it and why you think you can expect something different from me I have no clue. I'm pretty much the only one still giving a shit about Russ, found a possible connection to MP, a possible slip by Glorfindel, speculated about the secret roles, expressed opinions on who I trust and who I don't, what posts I believe and which I don't. I have no idea what answer you're looking for, and you don't even have to agree with anything, but don't try to minimize my efforts like I'm not offering more than most of the playing roster right now. I'm sorry if I'm not good enough for you.

a2thezebra wrote:

Enrique wrote:

If you think that you being poisoned makes you look better, be my guest.

lmao

You know damn well what you're doing.

And that is?

Hitting me from angles that aren't even part of my game. It's annoying and there is nothing I can do to defend myself other than calling you out on your bullshit.

That's bullshit btw.

a2thezebra wrote:

Enrique wrote:I NEVER said anything like "I'm good because I'm poisoned." Sig is not just equally manipulative of the facts, but completely redundant. He's especially good at pointing out options THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY. Seriously. Look over his post history. He does it over and over and over again.

I guess I stand corrected? It sure as suit seemed like you were trying to make it appear as if you being poisoned made you look better (and it seemed to work on your teamma-I mean, Elohcin), but okay. My point still stands that you are not helping yourself by posting nothing that isn't related to you or any scumhunting that includes some honest, original input.

Which is a bullshit point on itself? I'm talking about myself a lot because I've happened to be relevant a lot of the time, but uh yes I consider myself very much a part of the thread on other fronts.

If you think that you being poisoned makes you look better, be my guest.

lmao

You know damn well what you're doing.

I NEVER said anything like "I'm good because I'm poisoned." Sig is not just equally manipulative of the facts, but completely redundant. He's especially good at pointing out options THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY. Seriously. Look over his post history. He does it over and over and over again.

how are those POINTS if they say absolutely nothing about my alignment one way or the other