The Syndicate

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:21 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:32 am I’m trying to conceive of the mastermind of a wolf team filled with the people who seem just out of reach — Paopan, Wilgy, maybe JPIC? Wolves ought to be more likely here. Not sure what would make that machine function.
Yeah... I might be scum but what are you going to do about it?
Will the question is...
Will they kill me tonight after claiming a protective role or would mafia risk having me alive for being a LHF?
Now, choose your poison:

As town, here is my defense:
- Mafia Capt most probably hand-picked the players
- If Mafia Capt randomed, I am also cleared because they can choose from a pool of roles. So why would I choose a protective role as Mafia? I have big balls of steel

Today, Here's how we should proceed
Lynch -> HK, Sabie, Sig, and DrWigly/112

Deep wolves are probably between Belzy, Ilario, or alexa

Feels like an old crank. But here we go. See u all on day 3 ^^

This post here is where he said that.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:33 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:31 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:28 pm I don't even know. Sloonei is very likely wolf in the world alexa is town but could be town in the world alexa is wolf.
By this logic, you shouldn't care about Sloon this RD, as we have alexas flip on the horizon
That would then leave Paopan and DrWilgy as my lynch options. I think Paopan's protective thing seemed sincere.

Two things about paopans protective claim that make it less sincere 1 is that he tried to make the point that mafia never would have chosen a protective role which why wouldn't they in a game like this? And 2 it also could be a way to try to get someone to counter claim and open them up for soup. I don't know I feel like he intentionally is playing all over the place to make it hard to read.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:22 am Sabie click the quote I just linked and then read everything I post after that until I vote creature and mac and say gn

There’s plenty of reasons there why I think he’s scum

I believe you on the creature suspicion and have also felt creature could be mafia this game. I believe you do want to kill off the mafia and that is part of your wincon. What I'm skeptical of is what happens after that. I think the macyo and creature interactions at last eod seemed like oh they can't be teammates but now I'm thinking that could be fabricated because macyo all of a sudden stopped and went away and gave up. I also found some dizzy macyo interactions that looked like they were trying to not seem teammates. That was around page 52/53.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:53 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:52 am What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?
It always okay to kill off both mafia and 3p, cuz then you know for sure town wins. I do feel the pressure in lynching mafia first cuz of the soup kill waiting to happen.

Yeah definitely go for mafia first. I'm just pointing out that it sounds as though in the rules that 3p can then kill us after mafia is gone so if that's true then ilarios claim that he can win with us would be false.

What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

Alexa did bring up the 3p thing last night as well which was what got me thinking about who made sense as a 3p player so far. So she knew about it prior to start of day today. Could have been when she claimed to be role blocked though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:54 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:50 am I will explain that alexa and belzy's super strong push towards Mac and then paopan gave me some pause and I wanted to make sure it was the right decision. I went through macyo's ISO and there were some interactions with dizzy that obviously we know now are fabricated but I wanted to discuss and make sure. I don't feel like being cautious is a bad thing this stage of the game. Macyo seemed like more likely a hit and even though I do find pao scummy I didn't want to be wrong. The fact that alexa has outed peoples roles without them even being pushed or needing to also made me a bit wary.
Can you walk us through what exactly happened in your chat with belzy and alexa? How did the conversation unfold, and how did you all arrive at Macyo?

I don't know game rule wise how much we're supposed to discuss btsc. There was some discussion before an official decision was made. Now that macyo has flipped mafia I feel better about alexa and belzy. Before knowing for sure there was some apprehension. They were trying to make the decision to shoot pao for me despite me saying I was unsure about it but also they said they think the thread would chop him.

So it sounds like mafia designates someone at the time of the soup kill rather than ahead of time but it can't be a vanilla role unless no one is left. So they couldn't just throw it to macyo even if they wanted to.

I will explain that alexa and belzy's super strong push towards Mac and then paopan gave me some pause and I wanted to make sure it was the right decision. I went through macyo's ISO and there were some interactions with dizzy that obviously we know now are fabricated but I wanted to discuss and make sure. I don't feel like being cautious is a bad thing this stage of the game. Macyo seemed like more likely a hit and even though I do find pao scummy I didn't want to be wrong. The fact that alexa has outed peoples roles without them even being pushed or needing to also made me a bit wary.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:16 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:13 pm Sorry after messing up a couple times I got nervous and overthought everything. That's all I got. You can think I'm scummy for that or whatever but that's where I'm at. This game has been a tough one and I worried about making things worse. I'm trying not to make things worse or upset people.
It's alright. Let's just focus on catching the remaining bad guys. If we are on the right track, three out of these five names are the remaining mafia team. Who do you trust the most among these names? Who do you trust the least?

Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
Paopan
Sloonei

I feel I need to step away from the game for a little bit and come back to it. I apologize if I've upset anyone I did not mean to. I'll come back later and put together my thoughts on the remaining people.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:09 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:21 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:07 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:42 pm I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.
Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:01 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:51 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:46 pm Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?
It was temporary just for the vig shot.
Why didn’t you shoot paopan?
I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.
Why would a roleblock deter you from attempting to shoot?
IDK. Sabie honestly was being extremely sketchy in this regard and it makes me nervous about her alignment. Like a huge convo in the neighborhood was "OK we are killing Mac/Paopan, let's shoot one then Sabie kills the other"

and she agrees etc etc etc

so her suddenly backtracking on that/holstering feels sketchy as fuck to me
Was Sabie sketchy in the chat? What was she like?

I wanted to have a discussion before we made our official decision because I didn't want to mess up again.

Sorry after messing up a couple times I got nervous and overthought everything. That's all I got. You can think I'm scummy for that or whatever but that's where I'm at. This game has been a tough one and I worried about making things worse. I'm trying not to make things worse or upset people.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:55 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:52 pm I wasn't a hundred percent sure if I could trust you and belzy.
Alexa and Belzy have been two of the most confirmed town players in the game for a while now. Where did this distrust stem from? Are you aware of the mechanical information around them?

I don't know I just have been wrong a few times this game and wanted to proceed with caution.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:21 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:07 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:42 pm I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.
Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:01 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:51 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:46 pm Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?
It was temporary just for the vig shot.
Why didn’t you shoot paopan?
I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.
Why would a roleblock deter you from attempting to shoot?

Do role blocks not block shots if that's your role?

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:40 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:07 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:42 pm I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.
Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:01 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:51 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:46 pm Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?
It was temporary just for the vig shot.
Why didn’t you shoot paopan?
I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.
yes but you talked about your worry over being RBed in the hood and you were still gonna shoot? BC V you should be very aware you could be souped before getting your next vig in? so you still waiting makes no sense to me whatsoever

I wasn't a hundred percent sure if I could trust you and belzy. I wanted to be sure the mac shot was a hit. Now that it was I'm more inclined to trust you and feel better about the paopan suspicon. I also felt bad about messing up my other shots and was erring on the side of caution. I never said I for sure was going to shoot paopan I said I was worried about being roleblocked and didn't want to shoot wrong.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:42 pm I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.
Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:01 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:51 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:46 pm Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?
It was temporary just for the vig shot.
Why didn’t you shoot paopan?

I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:46 pm Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?

It was temporary just for the vig shot.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:14 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:13 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:01 pm ok me/sabie/belzy killed mac with our event prize vig

also omg can anyone heal me .-.
3 people got vig and all shot the same person?
We had 1 vig shot. We needed 2 votes on the same player. We all 3 voted for Phil and Gloria. Belzy, alexa, sabie, in that order.
OK, that makes a lot more sense.
So y'all could see each others votes or all independently voted to shoot the hydra?

We discussed it and all had to put our votes in. We came to a consensus after talking about it.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:07 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:06 pm Okay I'll follow on Paopan

[VOTE: Paopan] aubergine
Though you all better be voting Paopan because you believe them to be wolf and not because you believe them to be 3p

I moreso believe this than the 3p thing because his eod push with tsp and guillo felt like tmi and distancing with tsp but I was just saying I don't think the 3p thing is completely out of the realm of possibility.

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:19 pm i am a little sketched out that sabie didn't shoot paopan. we were talking in the hood about us killing mac and her shooting pao so.... idk why she lied to us about holstering

but [VOTE: PAO] aubergine

I was erring on the side of caution can you blame me? I guess we should have just shot pao if falcon also shot macyo. [VOTE: pao] aubergine

Wondering if there is a 3p faction still if that is pao because the way he's played this game seems like not aligned either way. That eod where he went back and forth on guillo and tsp was super weird.

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:03 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:02 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:01 pm ok me/sabie/belzy killed mac with our event prize vig

also omg can anyone heal me .-.
Nice

So sabie and belzy confirmed then?
well i'm confirming belzy as town

sabie is technically not confirmed because it was a majority vote

also sabie said they were shooting paopan and iddn't??

Yes! I'm glad we were right. And yeah I chose to holster my last shot just in case.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:40 pm I don't get why Sloonei keeps getting excluded from POE though?

I mentioned thoughts on sloonei earlier

I do feel like mac is scum based on his reactions. The Thing with creature is like I want to town read him but he has been noncommittal with votes both eod1 and 2 despite being so active with reads throughout the game. He and tsp seem compatible. It doesn't feel like mac and creature would be teammates though here and I feel like macyo has been scummier. Paopan had a scummy eod 2 with the sudden weird push away from gullio to maybe look towny on purpose felt like tmi. Wilgy eod 1 was weird like he was trying to push to get himself chopped. I don't feel like he and pao would be teammates either. Pao seems scummier to me of those two.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:18 pm I'm probably not going to catch up tonight, but I have a few things I want to say.

@Belzy I wasn't originally going to say anything, because I'm trying to be all cool lately. But I need to. You do realise that your read on me is entirely meme tier? I can not think of one single game where you don't scum read me first thing D1. I don't think you have mal intent here, but you seem to be operating with expectations of my play that are from 7 years ago. Please just consider this, and please spend time not only focusing on me.

Belzy
Sean
Guillo
Alexa

^These are the town reads I care the most about.

Sean cares about his own thoughts and suspicions and follows them up, and he's also doing classic town!Sean things in response to people either town reading him and accusing him.
Guillo has had many posts I found towny from him. Both Sean and Guillo are showing their paranoid town play styles imo. I think I'm pretty good at reading both of them actually.
Alexa is town for how she went about her role check on Nut. I also think that she wouldn't have a role check as mafia when that is how mafia makes the soup kill tbh, but that is kind of besides the point. Her posts are kind of "messy" in a way I find they are as town, while they are more deliberate as scum. I've also been pretty good at reading Alexa.

There's a bunch of players I town read to a lighter degree or even a pretty solid degree, probably too many, but the aforementioned are the ones I feel I have a better handle on reading.

In any case, I feel the game is in a pretty ok spot consensus-wise.

I have some concerns about Mac. Feels like he's not really landing any of his thoughts, and they seem to be a bit all over the place, which I find scummy for him.
I'm also suspicious of Scotty, feel like his posts are just awkward, trying to chime in but not really going anywhere.
Sabie is meh.

I think these are the things I've been thinking about the most.

So I'm trying to make sense of everything this game which is probably an impossible task. I know we have a poe kind of but there is just something that kind of stood out to me. I know people are thinking alexa is town because of her role cop thing but In reading dizzys iso I found this post where he mentions oh well it wouldn't make sense for mafia to have a role like that with soup kills being a thing....but like what if they did choose thier roles? I would think they would want a role like that on their team. Role cop is different than alignment cop so like obviously mafia wouldn't need an alignment cop but a role cop? Very helpful. I know there was also a protect claim but that just stood out to me. Porscha and belzy's clear also comes from this assumption. I think mafia benefits from confusing us and getting us to fight amongst ourselves or lull into a false sense of security. It definitely has worked on me because I've had a hard time figuring out what the right thing to do is. I'm only throwing this out there in case I die in the night and don't get a chance to share my thoughts.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:06 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:00 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:56 am Someone tell me Sloonei's agenda this game as scum, or where he has been clearly helping wolves, or something.
Only thing that comes to mind is that he's cased two villagers so far (assuming LP is a villager), and he's tried to paint me as scum albeit on a smaller scale. Not sure what his reads were like wrt dizzy, marmot and tsp
Reads on known scum are pretty much non-existent. But then again he was slanking for a lot of time so that's not damning in and of itself imo.

The two things that made me go 'hmm' were (a) he very quickly had a V read on me and stuck with it through a time when no one else had that, and (b) if Wilgy and/or Mac are scum he gave them fairly easy V reads too.

But he's also towncased a lot of town / likely town along the way. And his words all make sense when doing so. And of course they do because he's Sloonei, but still.

Maybe I need to find a recent scum game to read.

Yeah I read through his iso and he says dizzy is town by default but later said that wasn't a legit read. I didn't see him say anything about marmot. Tsp was mildly mentioned. He did some analyzing of dizzy interactions. Kind of pushed c4. One thing I do remember is a long time ago there was a game where he was mafia and shot his teammate and rode that cred for awhile.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:58 am I can't tell if I'm just really bad at reading isos/am overdoubting myself or if wolves have just done a bang up job this game of controlling spew.

I'm feeling like this right now. I keep trying to go through isos and I'm like oh hey maybe that makes sense then I way overthink it and then I'm like that's not it.

This thread needs some lightening up. Please enjoy the best ever show opening credits.

Friend coming in*

Tsp iso is hard to glean much from. I'm out and about today playing D and D and find coming in from out of town but I'll try to check back in later on.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:28 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:06 pm What's up with TSP being in the lead? Mechanics?
Falcon claimed a red check

tempted to call this a derp
That'd be a pretty silly derp IMO.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Kinda ot, kinda explain, why my presence is so hit/miss rn, post Covid fatigue is a motherfucker. Only saying this because I haven't been able to read as much as I want, and I figured Creature with his post on my online presence may be concerned because of it. Feel icky about my misread on 112.

Oh I'm sorry to hear I hope you feel better soon!

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:46 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:39 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:37 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:33 am People really talked me out of voting Sabie laat day. Don't lynch the town vig, the Ender kill is a towny kill. Well, it is still a towny that got shot and now two by Sabie.
I agree with what others have surmised that Sabie's shot choices were fine, as both Ender and C4 were acceptable choices.

But I'm still thinking that if scum picked roles, they'd want a Vig role if it was offered. And it would make sense that scum might get the Night vig if town are getting a handful of 1x Day vigs.

So I think it is likely Sabie is town, but I don't want to clear her entirely yet.
It is hard to say. If I am a scummy vig, I would shoot scummy townies for the cred.
I agree it's a viable strategy.

Although Sabie could also just shoot towny townies and then keep quiet and not claim the shots. Maybe they feared someone watching/tracking the shots? But if I was a scum Vig I'd probably shoot alexa/nutella/etc and then just not say anything in the thread. I might get caught in the end but it would still be a positive for the scum team.

Just want to respond to this. I would never admit to those shots as mafia. I'd be too afraid of being scrutinized and I would have chosen better targets that wouldn't be potential mischops. Killing ender would have been a bad choice as dizzys teammate.

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:48 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:20 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:25 am If the POE is correct, 4 of these 7 names are mafia:

Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Paopan
Phil and Gloria
sabie12

If your name is on the list, cross yourself off. Add me to it if you like. If your name is not on the list, you probably want to add me to it, so you're looking for 4 out of 8 rather than 4 out of 7. Sorry.

To the three civilians on this list, it's on you (and me) to prove to everybody else that you are town. Do so without claiming, please and thanks. A great weapon for proving your towniness is to simply hunt for the remaining bad guys. This game is not nearly as dire as it might have seemed ~24 hours ago. Let's all secure our 2022 wins here so we can all meet back for next year's GoC.

Paopan last minute EoD 2 to push towards tsp and insisting guillo was town could have been tmi push. Mac-yo last minute saved jpic from being on the chopping block and based on some of the responses to suspicion seem like scum mac. Wilgy has been saved from being chopped twice. First EoD creature unvoted which helped lead to seanzie being chopped. Wilgy has seemed more towny as the game goes on though so im torn there. LP claim to save alexa? I have to look more into sloonei. I remember the push on c4 but now he ended up flipping town. I still don't think creature is 100 percent free from suspicion as I could see him partnered with tsp or jpic who keeps saying he is the towniest person in the game and I think he is convincing as mafia. For now if I had to make a quick guess I'd say paopan jpic mac-yo wilgy but I'll have to look more into isos as well. I also need to sleep this game has been hurting my brain trying to figure it out.
Please holster tonight

I think mafia are gonna soup tonight just a hunch but I think so, and if u shoot another town we might just straight up lose in one night. I think you shooting tonight can be a game losing move

Okay yeah I see what you're saying here. Yeah I chose targets that were within the POE and it sucks I ended up being wrong. I don't want to be wrong again. I was going to say have falcon check me if there's any doubt but depends if we even live past tonight. You think creature is keeping me alive to lull me into a false sense of security and then soup me?

And by saying the game is hurting my brain I just want to clarify that I'm not attempting to AtE just saying I'm going to step away and come back to it is all. I understand why people are iffy about me. I made the wrong choice twice but I am hoping in the long run it helps us figure out the right ones. That's all I got for now. Goodnight all!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:25 am If the POE is correct, 4 of these 7 names are mafia:

Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Paopan
Phil and Gloria
sabie12

If your name is on the list, cross yourself off. Add me to it if you like. If your name is not on the list, you probably want to add me to it, so you're looking for 4 out of 8 rather than 4 out of 7. Sorry.

To the three civilians on this list, it's on you (and me) to prove to everybody else that you are town. Do so without claiming, please and thanks. A great weapon for proving your towniness is to simply hunt for the remaining bad guys. This game is not nearly as dire as it might have seemed ~24 hours ago. Let's all secure our 2022 wins here so we can all meet back for next year's GoC.

Paopan last minute EoD 2 to push towards tsp and insisting guillo was town could have been tmi push. Mac-yo last minute saved jpic from being on the chopping block and based on some of the responses to suspicion seem like scum mac. Wilgy has been saved from being chopped twice. First EoD creature unvoted which helped lead to seanzie being chopped. Wilgy has seemed more towny as the game goes on though so im torn there. LP claim to save alexa? I have to look more into sloonei. I remember the push on c4 but now he ended up flipping town. I still don't think creature is 100 percent free from suspicion as I could see him partnered with tsp or jpic who keeps saying he is the towniest person in the game and I think he is convincing as mafia. For now if I had to make a quick guess I'd say paopan jpic mac-yo wilgy but I'll have to look more into isos as well. I also need to sleep this game has been hurting my brain trying to figure it out.

I'll just be honest here I debated between c4 tsp and jpic for targets. I way overthought it and then convinced myself c4 was the right choice based on interactions with dizzy and shooting bo. I went and read a few previous games and thought it was similar to his mafia play before. I never said how many shots I have. I just said I was the town vig shot on ender. I'm glad falcon caught tsp. [VOTE: tsp] aubergine

I'm also going to assume tsp as well. After the EoD that would make sense and I know it's not me

The one thing I'll agree with wilgy on is the assessment that I am trying to squeeze in hunting on limited time and I come in when I can. I wasn't sure on dizzy as I'm not good at reading him. If I were his teammate I would never had killed ender and I would have probably not even talked about him at all if I didn't have to.

I guess I'm going to have to go with a sig vote. His nutella shot wasn't a good look and he hasn't really been around much to defend it.

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:11 pm Once we start with d3, i want everyone to think in the meantime how we can unite better as town.

Why can't we start doing that now?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:06 pm I just want to rest

I feel this for sure. Not sure why anyone but mafia wants me dead at this point. Like I said I'd rather die by soup or nk than be mischopped yet again but here we are.

I'm home from work back for EoD. I have 2 votes left trying to figure out what the best option is here.

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:11 pm [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

You're right you never said you wanted to vote for me. I must be mistaken. Sorry about that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:03 am were there any cultish things this year or no

The OP just says 7 mafia and at least one 3p faction so it's pretty nebulous but there could be a cult element. Are you feeling like that seems to be the case here?

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:11 pm [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:36 am So basicly I see HK Sig and Sabie as goners. HK as 3p should be gone. Sig and Sabie are two names I cannot find enough reason to try to avoid their lynches. So that leaves my final vote on c4, because as of now he is my first choice of the remaining options in the current poll. There are a bunch of players I wanna investigate, but most of them are not in the current poll, so today is a good day for a relatively raincheck, save my energy for the next day when we have more info, because more flips. Game is hard, and I have so many if if's.

Okay then replace "scumread" with "wanting to vote for". Is that more accurate?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:42 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:41 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:38 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:35 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:33 am imo we shouldn't lynch sabie12 especially because she's claiming another vig shot
Didn't she shot town before, and what if she is a non-town vig? Especially 3p are often multi shots vigs.
She shot Ender who was widely suspected. If she is wolf she townsided in that kill.
Hard to say, can still mean anything. I know Ender was suspected, but that shot doesn't prove anything cuz Ender is simply town.

I unvoted sabie btw ftr
Yeah. Now it's up for us to decide whether we want to risk lynching the fucking town vig at the hope they're a wolf vig that shot a widely suspected target and claimed vig for lolsies.

Belzy must have seen my claim and explanation because they went from town reading me to then scum reading me after my claim. I don't believe they really didn't see that. Not that we can vote for belzy today but worth noting. I also noticed they've tried derp clearing themselves in the beginning if day 1 as well and dizzy townread them for it.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:13 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:28 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:32 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:24 pm Town:
Alexa
Ilario
Belzy
Guillo
Sean
Nutella
Alison (think she cares about the game in a town way)
Paopan (don't know them, but surface level this just seems like town)

Jpic and Radish also seem ok.
If you are night killed and flip town, i will sheep your reads.
Went through guillos ISO. With regard to dizzy they went from super suspecting each other to then townreading each other. The wording here made sure to say night killed assuming dizzy could be night killed. Are the town reads on guillo for his claim about his role? Meh that's all I have time and energy for I need to go back to sleep.
I didnt townread Dizzy there, where does it say ok, i townread you or made a list putting him in my towncore?

I said that because when he rands town and is right people usually fear kill him for his legacy.

Okay just making an observation and asking questions trying to look through ISOs of the 8 people and figure things out. I initally saw that post as saying you thought dizzy would flip town and you trust their reads. I get what you're saying now

Well if I were a mafia vig I had no reason to claim that shot. I wouldn't have. I think mafia wants me out because now that they know I am a threat to them they don't want me to proceed to night phase. I'd rather die via soup or nk than by being mischopped today.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:32 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:24 pm Town:
Alexa
Ilario
Belzy
Guillo
Sean
Nutella
Alison (think she cares about the game in a town way)
Paopan (don't know them, but surface level this just seems like town)

Jpic and Radish also seem ok.
If you are night killed and flip town, i will sheep your reads.

Went through guillos ISO. With regard to dizzy they went from super suspecting each other to then townreading each other. The wording here made sure to say night killed assuming dizzy could be night killed. Are the town reads on guillo for his claim about his role? Meh that's all I have time and energy for I need to go back to sleep.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:40 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:38 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:36 pm i am convinced that nobody who plays mafia with me knows how to read me these days.

i do not even know how to read myself.

i am unreadable.

i am god.
Join the club lol. Didn't you nag all game that I was scum last GoC, and then you turned out to be some cult anti-town monster 3p or something? HMMM
i do not remember more than 5 minutes ago generally, so not sure

i will townread you for the rest of the game because of this interaction, however

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:41 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:41 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:40 pmi do not remember more than 5 minutes ago generally, so not sure

i will townread you for the rest of the game because of this interaction, however
I think you've done it twice as scum actually. You should probably choose a different tactic next time. The north remembers.
I will note this in my memory logs.

Looked through 112 iso and this was the one notable odd interaction I noticed. What is the pattern that dizzy is referring to like that 112 picks someone to tunnel all game as scum? Is that a thing?

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