The Syndicate

I am glad I got a chance to play with all of you though! I was so happy to see an LGBT+ game on here. Thank you Alison for running and everyone for playing. Even if I got a little frustrated about things at times that's just the nature of the game and I very much appreciate playing with all of you and hope to see you in another game again!

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:10 pm i hope no one is too upset about this. it was a hard game and town didn’t play badly at all. was hard to get there on me because of how i bussed cayvie

Nah it's okay I just got frustrated that I kept trying to bring up the possibility the bus was planned and no one would listen to me about it.

And I had planned on being able to be here for the end of day 2 Wednesday and then that day fell apart for a number of random reasons so that worked against me.

At least I was right day 1 haha. Oh well sorry i just had a lot of other stuff going on not related to the game that prevented me from being here as much as I wanted to.

Sorry hally if I used the incorrect pronoun in my post.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:34 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:08 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:27 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:12 am Ok, thanks.

So to answer MP7 now: my take on Sabie's defensiveness is that it is a good look. Her statements re: her stance on cayvie are true and consistent with frustration at being lumped in as "defending cayvie," which from her perspective is an inaccurate characterization that she is fighting back at being pinned with. I was aware of this at the time I initially put forth that characterization, as a hypothesis test to see how Sabie would respond to it.

I think she responded in a consistent and towny fashion. Currently I believe Sabie the most out of the three non-cayvie-voters, making her the one that I do NOT wish to yeet. There is some chance that she is playing this off to deflect and hedge, but it is exactly what I would expect from town in her spot.

(Additionally I do not buy the argument brought against Sabie by Mist yesterday, regarding confusion over IC claims being "the most suspicious thing in the thread." I find that also believable for town and not very scummy if at all. That argument being weak is another part of why my current suspicious lie on Mist and MP7.)

So there's a hot take for y'all. Bedtime for me now.
The thing about mist is they came in said I was weird for not understanding the IC thing and then drive by voted me and left. Mists post after cayvie was yeeted was "weh". ...? Is that like sadface? After catching a mafia? So mist and cayvie have that interaction regarding the vengeful thing and then cayvie disappeared and mist was left alone and had to randomly try to come up with some other idea of where to vote and just picked me. Could be that I mean it seems like the most obvious answer but we do have time discuss further if that's not what happened.
This still is my thought I guess.

Sorry my cases aren't fancy enough for people or I don't talk enough or whatever. The way I've played this game is not at all how I would play as scum but people don't know that and I can't blame you. Whoever the remaining scum is has to make me seem sketchy for their own purposes and that's the game so I can't be mad about it.

I think the answer is mist and I have to make a decision. [VOTE: mist] aubergine for now. I'll spend more time reading and thinking about it again tomorrow but that's my thoughts. Phone is dying.
what made you vote mist here? i feel like you just did it because i was saying you were treading water/didn’t seem to want to make a decision

like why did you vote her at this point in time? and how confident are you in your vote?

I've already explained why I voted mist and then you still ask why did I vote mist. I was willing to consider you as an option if mist had any further ideas but they continue to mot have any so I don't know.

Here's the thing though I'm not trying to convince anyone to vote a certain way. I'm trying to find who the remaining mafia is. There is only one person here who legit knows what going on and it isn't me. Mist doesn't seem to me to be trying to figure anything out. I try to interact and the response is sabie scummy for this so there. I'm trying to consider both options but mist has given nothing to suggest thinking hally is scum but I'm scummy for not considering her enough. Ahhhhhh. I was hoping maybe mist would further explain that but then nothing. So I don't know the answer I don't have a specific percentage of anything. I apologize to town for sucking and potentially jot helping win but like I give up I'm voting mist that's what I think if I'm wrong I'm very sorry for messing up.

Mistyx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:40 am also 1245 is a blatant misrep and she just

ignored what i asked her

I don't know how to answer you. Day three has not given much info for me to town or scum read either of you. What else do you want me to say at this point?

I'm still willing to consider hally I tried to ask you if you were considering her and you said no.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:27 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:12 am Ok, thanks.

So to answer MP7 now: my take on Sabie's defensiveness is that it is a good look. Her statements re: her stance on cayvie are true and consistent with frustration at being lumped in as "defending cayvie," which from her perspective is an inaccurate characterization that she is fighting back at being pinned with. I was aware of this at the time I initially put forth that characterization, as a hypothesis test to see how Sabie would respond to it.

I think she responded in a consistent and towny fashion. Currently I believe Sabie the most out of the three non-cayvie-voters, making her the one that I do NOT wish to yeet. There is some chance that she is playing this off to deflect and hedge, but it is exactly what I would expect from town in her spot.

(Additionally I do not buy the argument brought against Sabie by Mist yesterday, regarding confusion over IC claims being "the most suspicious thing in the thread." I find that also believable for town and not very scummy if at all. That argument being weak is another part of why my current suspicious lie on Mist and MP7.)

So there's a hot take for y'all. Bedtime for me now.
The thing about mist is they came in said I was weird for not understanding the IC thing and then drive by voted me and left. Mists post after cayvie was yeeted was "weh". ...? Is that like sadface? After catching a mafia? So mist and cayvie have that interaction regarding the vengeful thing and then cayvie disappeared and mist was left alone and had to randomly try to come up with some other idea of where to vote and just picked me. Could be that I mean it seems like the most obvious answer but we do have time discuss further if that's not what happened.

This still is my thought I guess.

Sorry my cases aren't fancy enough for people or I don't talk enough or whatever. The way I've played this game is not at all how I would play as scum but people don't know that and I can't blame you. Whoever the remaining scum is has to make me seem sketchy for their own purposes and that's the game so I can't be mad about it.

I think the answer is mist and I have to make a decision. [VOTE: mist] aubergine for now. I'll spend more time reading and thinking about it again tomorrow but that's my thoughts. Phone is dying.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:11 am i unfortunately really have to sleep because it’s after 1am but i will make some time tomorrow somehow to check back in here and reread rans stuff so i can decide on a final vote

Rans reads kept cycling between the three of us. Ran was also extremely critical of me and my playstyle no matter what I did but they weren't really sure who it is either.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:06 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:49 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:37 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:20 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:06 pm As scum I also am not big on blatantly defending teammates. I would not have made those posts about cayvie if we were teammates. I can see a world where its hally and a world where its mist.
Did hally bus on purpose to get the vengeful kill or did mist defend cayvie on purpose and randomly vote me to get votes off cayvie?
but you didn’t hard defend cayvie. you had some soft defenses mixed with some suspicion. overall i would characterize your stance on cayvie as hedging and reluctant suspicion, not blatant defense. and the former does fit the mold of scum who sees their teammate getting rung up D1

but anyway, lets talk. walk me through the two worlds from your pov. what does the world where mist is scum look like? what things make that likely? what things make it unlikely? and same for me. what things needed to happen for me to be scum? what things make it likely/unlikely?
@sabie12 can you answer the bolded?

also, independent of cayvie interactions, how do you read mist and me?
Yes yes I'm working on it. I'm re-reading through things and I mean the most obvious answer is mist.

Mist defends cayvie and randomly votes me with little reasoning. Then starts townreading me. Then goes back to suspecting me. Mist also defends and townreads hally. Mist says cayvies case against hally is legit but also hally is town. Cayvie also townreads mist. Mist also makes it a point to bring up that it doesn't make sense for me to kill off the people who townread me which is true that doesn't make sense. So mist buddying both of us to see which of us to convince to vote off the other.

I guess the main negative against you hally at this point from what I've been reading is the push on MP in the last poll after she accused you.
ok this is better. at least i can kinda see where your head is now

i don’t feel like mist is or was buddying you. i wouldn’t characterize her briefly swinging to tr’ing you buddying, and she hasn’t been shy about pushing you here in lylo. i think if she’s scum she’s already figured her best chance to win is to just hope i vote you as opposed to convincing you to vote me. and likewise i think you’ve already decided if you’re scum that you can only win by convincing me to vote mist. it seems pretty clear to me that whichever of you is the wolf doesn’t view me as a viable push, and that’s kinda making it harder for me to decide here because im not able to see if im being pushed in bad faith by one of you when i’m not really getting pushed

but anyway, that was a tangent. main point was that i don’t think your characterization of what mist is doing is accurate. she’s kept her options open much less than you have. she already has a vote down on you and has shown little to no interest in entertaining me as scum. so i don’t think its true that she’s keeping her options open or buddying both of us?

also re: me and mp, my push on her was really more based on what i wrongly thought were very scummy interactions and progression on cayvie. her push on me was a small part of my sr on her but it was really more what i found in my reread of D1 that made me vote her. you can go back and look at my analysis D2 if you truly have doubts that my push was in good faith

What I meant was that mist had a couple of times said that kill analysis says it's probably not me but now says it must be sabie. Mists reason for townreading you is that cayvie had the same read on you and hyena so you must be the same alignment but cayvie and mist were townreading each other. That doesn't feel legitimate to me but what do I know?

Mistyx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:25 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:54 pm
Mistyx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:43 pm if you need more from me just let me know
Hey look I'm interacting with mist. Hey mist what do you believe are the chances that hally is the remaining mafia?
mmm not all that likely

cayvie grouped them in with hyena in a way that i think means they’re the same alignment as hyena

So you believe hally is town because cayvie scumread them and hyena? She townread you so by that logic you must be scum then.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:42 am i just like

don’t know what to do with sabie right now

she keeps popping in making one or two posts saying “i can see you both as scum and i just have to decide who is more likely” but i don’t see her actually like... trying to decide. or like what that looks like in her head. it’s just reiterating that she has to make a choice, but i don’t feel like she’s actively working towards a decision. it feels like she’s largely been treading water for the past several days

See like this is being presumptuous that I am not working on making a decision. I come in here and read through things and post my thoughts and work on answering questions and everything and it continues to not be good enough. I am trying and obviously we have all struggled this game to figure everything out. I unfortunately have other things I do in my life besides just this game. We also have 3 full days to make a final decision.

Honestly I really am trying I'm just not as quick to process things as others. These posts are my way of processing information and trying to provoke discussion.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:37 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:20 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:06 pm As scum I also am not big on blatantly defending teammates. I would not have made those posts about cayvie if we were teammates. I can see a world where its hally and a world where its mist.
Did hally bus on purpose to get the vengeful kill or did mist defend cayvie on purpose and randomly vote me to get votes off cayvie?
but you didn’t hard defend cayvie. you had some soft defenses mixed with some suspicion. overall i would characterize your stance on cayvie as hedging and reluctant suspicion, not blatant defense. and the former does fit the mold of scum who sees their teammate getting rung up D1

but anyway, lets talk. walk me through the two worlds from your pov. what does the world where mist is scum look like? what things make that likely? what things make it unlikely? and same for me. what things needed to happen for me to be scum? what things make it likely/unlikely?
@sabie12 can you answer the bolded?

also, independent of cayvie interactions, how do you read mist and me?

Yes yes I'm working on it. I'm re-reading through things and I mean the most obvious answer is mist.

Mist defends cayvie and randomly votes me with little reasoning. Then starts townreading me. Then goes back to suspecting me. Mist also defends and townreads hally. Mist says cayvies case against hally is legit but also hally is town. Cayvie also townreads mist. Mist also makes it a point to bring up that it doesn't make sense for me to kill off the people who townread me which is true that doesn't make sense. So mist buddying both of us to see which of us to convince to vote off the other.

I guess the main negative against you hally at this point from what I've been reading is the push on MP in the last poll after she accused you.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:13 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:53 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:27 pm the problem is i don’t know if you would also try to be like that as scum since you know you would as town, but maybe not? idk how do you think you would play this game as scum and how is that different from what you’ve done?
If I were scum I would have just voted and killed off a random town and made up some random case for it. I also would not have killed the people who townread me. As town I felt random voting and being unsure wasn't the right move. Apparently that's what everyone would have preferred. Unfortunately, due to the 3 day long days and lack of conversation prior to day 3 I was not able to get a vote in that I could feel good about. My day went all sorts of wrong and got all messed up due to a bunch of factors. It's an unfortunate circumstance where I had things planned a certain way and then it didn't work out.

I am calm though because I'm town and even if I played terrible I can take solace in knowing I played an honest game. I do apologize for not being better. I always think my ideas make sense and then I am reminded that they do not. Apparently, I am too focused on mechanics or something? I've tried to throw out ideas and get some discussion going and it is criticized so that makes it difficult to be here on top of my IRL issues.
sabie, im sorry you’ve felt that way if you’re town. my intention has never been to shoot you down or dismiss everything you say. but i need to question things because i don’t know your alignment. i cannot accept everything you say at face value just as you, if you’re town, can’t except everything i say. if i don’t understand your ideas or ask you questions or say im suspicious of something you say, its not meant as a personal attack or anything like that. it’s just me trying to figure out what your alignment is

Oh I know I'm not upset and wasn't necessarily talking about you specifically. That's why I said I'm calm and it's all good. I get a little snarky sometimes if people get pushy about things when I think I've already explained something but that's just me.

I guess I either have to believe that you and cayvie fabricated a whole entire interaction of no you accusing each other and pleasant conversation about never having played together before or mist and cayvie fabricated an interaction to make us think there was a bus when there wasn't. So perhaps mist and cayvie wanted to plant that seed of doubt that like hmm maybe there was a bus.

Well hally wanted us to interact. If hally is the remaining mafia good job on keeping the two people who aren't feeling it this game alive so you can pick us off easier.

So basically at this point I need to decide which one of you was more likely to have planned fake conversations with cayvie. Both hally and mist had interactions but which one is genuine...

As scum I also am not big on blatantly defending teammates. I would not have made those posts about cayvie if we were teammates. I can see a world where its hally and a world where its mist.
Did hally bus on purpose to get the vengeful kill or did mist defend cayvie on purpose and randomly vote me to get votes off cayvie?

Mistyx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:43 pm if you need more from me just let me know

Hey look I'm interacting with mist. Hey mist what do you believe are the chances that hally is the remaining mafia?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:27 pm the problem is i don’t know if you would also try to be like that as scum since you know you would as town, but maybe not? idk how do you think you would play this game as scum and how is that different from what you’ve done?

If I were scum I would have just voted and killed off a random town and made up some random case for it. I also would not have killed the people who townread me. As town I felt random voting and being unsure wasn't the right move. Apparently that's what everyone would have preferred. Unfortunately, due to the 3 day long days and lack of conversation prior to day 3 I was not able to get a vote in that I could feel good about. My day went all sorts of wrong and got all messed up due to a bunch of factors. It's an unfortunate circumstance where I had things planned a certain way and then it didn't work out.

I am calm though because I'm town and even if I played terrible I can take solace in knowing I played an honest game. I do apologize for not being better. I always think my ideas make sense and then I am reminded that they do not. Apparently, I am too focused on mechanics or something? I've tried to throw out ideas and get some discussion going and it is criticized so that makes it difficult to be here on top of my IRL issues.

I mean I gave you actual evidence of why I was on the computer and not able to post yesterday if that's not good enough for you then oh well. Maybe tomorrow I'll be more available.

https://m.twitch.tv/papat0k/profile

If anyone would like to watch it. I just looked and Yikes wow that ended up being almost 6 hours haha

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:01 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:51 pm It's not me I have no idea what's going on. I literally just didn't have time to be here today.
why were you viewing the thread at EoD then?

I had my computer on to do the d and d live stream which went way longer than expecting and I wasnt able to focus on trying to go back and forth between them. I felt like if I had just popped over and random voted that wouldn't have been helpful. I didn't even end up eating dinner til like 11 pm. My day just didn't go the way I wanted it to. If i were mafia I would have pushed a vote for someone to save myself a d that would have been so much easier. As town I feel more of an obligation to try to get it right and I just don't know the answer for sure. I would have felt worse if I had come in here and voted and then it ended up being a town vote.

So when I was actually available no one was talking then yesterday I had work all day and then was on a live stream d and d game all evening. There is actual proof of this online. My day didn't go as planned yesterday and I didn't have time to come in here and vote so I apologize for that. I'm fine with the last mafia just killing me off this night phase.

It's not me I have no idea what's going on. I literally just didn't have time to be here today.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:20 am Bored. Reread Hyena's ISO. Dang. Hyena was a real one. I got thoughts, but not a lot I think would be productive or am comfortable saying until I hear a lot more from Mist, MP7, Hally... and also Sabie.

I guess I can say I'm pretty sure Hyena was the IC and TSP was the vig, not the other way around. Hyena showed no fear at any point whatsoever, and almost no self defense despite taking what I perceive to have been a fair amount of heat. They knew they were unyeetable. (Cayvie agreed.) TSP's night posts are all but yelling outright "I am the vig and I am not going to shoot tonight because if I miss and am killed it's MYLO and scum could win by claiming my shot."

I'm... not sure this changes much for anyone going forward. Maybe lessens Hyena read influence a little, but not much.

I'd hoped to get a lot more done yesterday and today tbh. Spelunky 2 will be out by the time I'm up again and I am absolutely going to disappear into it. (relatively speaking. I'll be around.) No knock on anyone. Just unfortunate.

Why does it keep giving me "the submitted form was invalid, try submitting again" on quick reply. Every single time.

Why am I ...and sabie?
I had some similar thoughts regarding hally as MP. I thought it was possible they may have planned to bus in order to get the vengeful kill.
Mist though even admitted to being somewhat disconnected to the game and after awhile (cayvie disappeared) started fizzling out of being involved.

Didn't think of the roles being reversed between tony and hyena I guess that's possible but like you said I don't know if that changes anything.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:58 pm Ran’s the one I’d consider most likely to be doing power wolfy stuff

I do wish tony had delved further into what he meant by this though.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:12 am Ok, thanks.

So to answer MP7 now: my take on Sabie's defensiveness is that it is a good look. Her statements re: her stance on cayvie are true and consistent with frustration at being lumped in as "defending cayvie," which from her perspective is an inaccurate characterization that she is fighting back at being pinned with. I was aware of this at the time I initially put forth that characterization, as a hypothesis test to see how Sabie would respond to it.

I think she responded in a consistent and towny fashion. Currently I believe Sabie the most out of the three non-cayvie-voters, making her the one that I do NOT wish to yeet. There is some chance that she is playing this off to deflect and hedge, but it is exactly what I would expect from town in her spot.

(Additionally I do not buy the argument brought against Sabie by Mist yesterday, regarding confusion over IC claims being "the most suspicious thing in the thread." I find that also believable for town and not very scummy if at all. That argument being weak is another part of why my current suspicious lie on Mist and MP7.)

So there's a hot take for y'all. Bedtime for me now.

The thing about mist is they came in said I was weird for not understanding the IC thing and then drive by voted me and left. Mists post after cayvie was yeeted was "weh". ...? Is that like sadface? After catching a mafia? So mist and cayvie have that interaction regarding the vengeful thing and then cayvie disappeared and mist was left alone and had to randomly try to come up with some other idea of where to vote and just picked me. Could be that I mean it seems like the most obvious answer but we do have time discuss further if that's not what happened.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:36 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:20 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:01 pm
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Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:43 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:31 am I am always a low poster in the beginning of games I am slow to start as I get a feel for things sorry that's just me. Also as I've said this week didnt go as planned for me but oh well.

I feel like this game is better for the scum team because they can kill us all easily and we won't even know for sure they're doing it.
Now that I can read ISOs I could maybe vote hally as they seem to have been perpetuating the random pokemon discussion and just seem different than the town game I saw before. Now that I read cayvie I feel her thought about hyena and hally may have been genuine but then she disappeared after Wednesday. I think tony is his usual town self. I could see maybe a vote for mist I don't feel like they're towny though I guess others do. I think MP seems like her town game before. I'm just not sure.

For now I will [VOTE: hally] aubergine I'm sure I'll get grilled about that but that's what I feel right now. In the other town game Hally was so unsure and thought everyone was town and didn't want to vote people and this game seems different to me.
hi sabie, i’ve been feeling pretty unsure this game so i don’t get what you’re saying re: me. what game are you talking about? and i just wanted to talk about pokemon. why is that scummy?

re: mp, do you remember what her scum game is like at all?
I'm sorry yes I should have specified. I was referring to the jack attack game. I felt you were more hesitant to vote in that game than here. just trying to work out my thoughts.

I see the thread is now leaning towards cayvie. I'm wondering does cayvie up and disappear as scum being accused or as town unsure of what to do? I've only played one game with cayvie and that was Upick. I'm not opposed to a cayvie vote I thought maybe her theory on hally and hyena was a genuine thought but then she hasn't come back and further discussed so ehhhh.
Why did you think that?

How would you summarize your experience with cayvie there?
I don't know I just thought maybe it was a genuine thought she had rather than a fake one but then she hasn't been back to discuss anything further since so now I'm not so sure.

I think cayvie was kinda in and out in that game as well if I remember correctly but that was also the game with 50 players.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:20 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:11 pm I guess the only issue with voting cayvie is it's real easy to just go after the person who stopped participating and isn't around to defend or discuss anything else.
Do you feel like that's what is happening?
I was just throwing that out there as I've seen that happen before to people who ended up being town. I guess I was also asking if anyone is more familiar with her and if that is her usual or out of character for her. As I said I only played the one game with her.

MP was giving me a hard time about trying to diaxuaa cayvie and then in the middle says I looked through cayvies ISO and she's probably just town.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:01 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:43 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:31 am I am always a low poster in the beginning of games I am slow to start as I get a feel for things sorry that's just me. Also as I've said this week didnt go as planned for me but oh well.

I feel like this game is better for the scum team because they can kill us all easily and we won't even know for sure they're doing it.
Now that I can read ISOs I could maybe vote hally as they seem to have been perpetuating the random pokemon discussion and just seem different than the town game I saw before. Now that I read cayvie I feel her thought about hyena and hally may have been genuine but then she disappeared after Wednesday. I think tony is his usual town self. I could see maybe a vote for mist I don't feel like they're towny though I guess others do. I think MP seems like her town game before. I'm just not sure.

For now I will [VOTE: hally] aubergine I'm sure I'll get grilled about that but that's what I feel right now. In the other town game Hally was so unsure and thought everyone was town and didn't want to vote people and this game seems different to me.
hi sabie, i’ve been feeling pretty unsure this game so i don’t get what you’re saying re: me. what game are you talking about? and i just wanted to talk about pokemon. why is that scummy?

re: mp, do you remember what her scum game is like at all?
I'm sorry yes I should have specified. I was referring to the jack attack game. I felt you were more hesitant to vote in that game than here. just trying to work out my thoughts.

I see the thread is now leaning towards cayvie. I'm wondering does cayvie up and disappear as scum being accused or as town unsure of what to do? I've only played one game with cayvie and that was Upick. I'm not opposed to a cayvie vote I thought maybe her theory on hally and hyena was a genuine thought but then she hasn't come back and further discussed so ehhhh.

If you're going to quote my thoughts on cayvie at least include my follow up thought where I was reconsidering. The ehhhhh was me being like huh maybe cayvie is bad. I realize now maybe not everyone understands that's what I meant by that. This was me asking for opinions if anyone is familiar. I'm pretty sure in upick she up and disappeared for awhile as well and ended up being town so I was just wondering if that was just her norm or if this her being sketchy.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:54 pm I guess it's gone long enough that I should say something to @sabie12.

You are not posting into a void, I see your posts and your stances are duly noted. Currently I have characterized you as "townread Cayvie." You are correct in pointing out that you did not strictly speaking do that. You did, however, post:

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:31 am I am always a low poster in the beginning of games I am slow to start as I get a feel for things sorry that's just me. Also as I've said this week didnt go as planned for me but oh well.

I feel like this game is better for the scum team because they can kill us all easily and we won't even know for sure they're doing it.
Now that I can read ISOs I could maybe vote hally as they seem to have been perpetuating the random pokemon discussion and just seem different than the town game I saw before. Now that I read cayvie I feel her thought about hyena and hally may have been genuine but then she disappeared after Wednesday. I think tony is his usual town self. I could see maybe a vote for mist I don't feel like they're towny though I guess others do. I think MP seems like her town game before. I'm just not sure.

For now I will [VOTE: hally] aubergine I'm sure I'll get grilled about that but that's what I feel right now. In the other town game Hally was so unsure and thought everyone was town and didn't want to vote people and this game seems different to me.
Bolded and underlined the key phrase. This, as I understand it, is the exact reason that MP7 and Mist gave for why they townread Cayvie. So, posting that specific stance + not voting cayvie is why I currently have you lumped in that group. You may not have said "I townread Cayvie" but if you prefer we can adjust the language to "people who believed cayvie's thoughts were genuine and did not vote her." Does that make sense?

Yes and the rest of the sentence was but she hasn't posted since Wednesday which is my own weird way of being like hmmm what's up with that? I had been reconsidering and I was changing my mind. I can re explain that I (I guess wrongly) after that thought people were reconsidering cayvie and I let it influence my opinion when maybe I shouldn't have. I was going to change to cayvie then I think maybe it was MP said oh cayvie is probably just town and then the conversation started moving away from it. There was no poll and I didn't even realize people were still voting there. I just tried to have further discussion about it and I was asking if people had any familiarity with her or her playstyle or whatever. If that was responded to then I missed it and I'm sorry.
I did not defend cayvie I just wanted to generate discussion and look at other options.

I do realize I word things weirdly and people always misunderstand me. I also realize the remaining mafia has to build a world where someone else is and I am an easy target because no one here gets me. I guess I can't blame them for that since they also want to win this game.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:21 pm oh im vt

so mp is vig?

Unless hyena was

RIP Tony! I am VT not vig

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:26 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:44 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:40 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:39 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:37 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:36 pm i mean, my reason for voting hyena was that he didn’t have eevee in his top ten pokemon. so yea, i would say i don’t expect that to be taken very seriously
exactly: not actually bussing.
....okay, but why do we have to be teamed as opposed to like, not teamed
you don't have to be teamed. im just saying you're compatible.
you said we were the mafia team. what caused you to have that thought?
i feel like you're taking me in circles.

i saw you and hyena vote each other for what looked like silly-ish reasons. i thought, hmm this looks like it could be distancing. is there a reason for mafia to distance/bus in a flipless setting? yes, potentially, if they want to use the vengekill.

and here we are
So cayvie said this about bussing and now we know she was the vengeful one. I don't know if that means it happened for sure just figured that might be relevant

This interaction I thought was significant because again it was a discussion regarding why would mafia bus in a flipless setting. The person who is the vengeful mafia says well if mafia wanted to use thier vengeful kill they could bus. There was some discussion on whether or not all the cayvie votes are cleared or if bussing could have happened so this seemed relevant to the conversation in my mind. Perhaps to others it did not so again I apologize if I didn't make that clear.
Maybe it's not significant and doesn't mean anything I just thought it was worth noting and perhaps discussing.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:29 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:39 pm
Mistyx wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:36 pm
Mistyx wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:33 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:32 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:29 pm ok but cayvie how do you read us?
i wasn't joking about the wolf duo thing. i wouldn't say it's a read but i see you two as v compatible rn.
why would wolves bus in flipless, especially with an IC in the setup?

you don't get any cred off the flip so there's no real point
you do get cred off one flip, though.
no you don't

there is no flip
there's a vengeful mafia
And this exchange. Hmmm

Okay so I'll be even more specific on my thoughts here. I apologize I was too sleepy last night to fully flesh out my thoughts about this.

Aside from what I've already mentioned that this is a conversation from the vengeful mafia about the vengeful mafia. Mist (who is a top suspect right now) is involved in this exchange here. Did mist and cayvie plan this exchange to distance in some way? Or does that not seem plausible.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:01 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:47 pm I mean cayvie has a whole interaction about bussing and being a vengeful mafia and then ended up being the vengeful mafia so I pointed that out. I thought maybe that was something worth discussing if we're analyzing cayvies ISO. If no one thinks looking at other players interactions with a mafia member is worthwhile then fine I give up go ahead and misyeet me. If someone else had come up with that idea it would be awesome smart amazing cool. If I say it, it's heavily questionable and makes no sense and why would I ever even think that was meaningful?
oh no i didn’t mean it’s not worthwhile. i’m just trying to understand what you see in it. you didn’t say what you think the posts meant when you quoted them. so i just want to know what you get from them. sorry i’m not trying to frustrate you

It's okay I just thought looking through cayvies ISO those interactions were significant. I wanted to see what people's thoughts were on it because I'm not sure myself. I just think the fact that the vengeful mafia talking about strategy regarding the vengeful mafia was potentially noteworthy in some way.

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I was not townreading cayvie. I just was trying to consider all options. I was fine voting her and then I felt like the thread started moving away from scum reading her and I didn't end up voting there. I think had there actually been a poll and I could see where the votes were I may have changed my vote to her. It's hard to fully read someone when they just stop being here but I was not defending her and I was not townreading her I just wasn't sure about her. If people would like to interpret my no vote on her as townreading her then that's on them.
I think mist probably was the most sketchy I just like to consider other options just in case there was something missed. (No pun intended)

I shall sleep and try again tomorrow. Just feeling frustrated. I'll get over it and keep trying.

I mean cayvie has a whole interaction about bussing and being a vengeful mafia and then ended up being the vengeful mafia so I pointed that out. I thought maybe that was something worth discussing if we're analyzing cayvies ISO. If no one thinks looking at other players interactions with a mafia member is worthwhile then fine I give up go ahead and misyeet me. If someone else had come up with that idea it would be awesome smart amazing cool. If I say it, it's heavily questionable and makes no sense and why would I ever even think that was meaningful?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:21 pm im like kinda pinged by sabie pulling up those quotes about cayvie’s vengeful bussing theory and just dropping them in the thread because i feel like if sabie is the last mafia she would absolutely want to plant paranoia about a bus. like i don’t get why conf scum’s words should hold bearing on whether or not scum bussed. it’s just wifom at best

I looked through cayvies ISO and those quotes stood out to me. If anything can be gleaned from her ISO I thought maybe those quotes were significant. Alas as always my thoughts and ideas don't make sense to anyone else but me. I thought it was mist but then those interactions seem weird as teammates.

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:39 pm
Mistyx wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:36 pm
Mistyx wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:33 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:32 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:29 pm ok but cayvie how do you read us?
i wasn't joking about the wolf duo thing. i wouldn't say it's a read but i see you two as v compatible rn.
why would wolves bus in flipless, especially with an IC in the setup?

you don't get any cred off the flip so there's no real point
you do get cred off one flip, though.
no you don't

there is no flip
there's a vengeful mafia

And this exchange. Hmmm

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:44 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:40 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:39 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:37 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:36 pm i mean, my reason for voting hyena was that he didn’t have eevee in his top ten pokemon. so yea, i would say i don’t expect that to be taken very seriously
exactly: not actually bussing.
....okay, but why do we have to be teamed as opposed to like, not teamed
you don't have to be teamed. im just saying you're compatible.
you said we were the mafia team. what caused you to have that thought?
i feel like you're taking me in circles.

i saw you and hyena vote each other for what looked like silly-ish reasons. i thought, hmm this looks like it could be distancing. is there a reason for mafia to distance/bus in a flipless setting? yes, potentially, if they want to use the vengekill.

and here we are

So cayvie said this about bussing and now we know she was the vengeful one. I don't know if that means it happened for sure just figured that might be relevant

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:53 pm Rannya~
TSP (IC, good tone, has matched my view of the game)

Hally (tinfoil, Hally has a good scum game and if there is a busser it's here. I don't currently see getting there though. Doesn't feel like it matches what's happened this game.)

MP7 (exact opposite view of Cayvie's posting, shading Mist, shading Sabie (for hedging on Cayvie, but she's also defending Cayvie?), very different mindset. But also feels genuine? But also... 32000 posts. I haven't seen any MP7 games but I assume she's very much not a potato.)
Sabie (on Hally eod, also shading Mist, defended Cayvie on the basis of "scum wouldn't dip")
Mist (... dipped?)

Mist didn't give a reason for voting me aside from reading one of my posts and saying it was weird. I also didn't defend cayvie I was moreso trying to have more discussion about it. I don't like piling votes on the person who isn't there to defend themselves but I wasn't against the cayvie vote. Mist had said cayvie was a strong townread. I think the whole not being able to see the votes impacted end of day and I was not able to be here.

Hally being a busser could work in the sense that now she has cred and has narrowed things down to kill one of these three. However, I think mist is the most likely option.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:36 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:31 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:25 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm Wait per the role description how did cayvie choose Hyena if she isn’t here? How does that work?
Was it just the last person who voted?
im pretty sure its not? is this a derp clear?
I thought hyena was the most recent vote and I know I played a game where that happened before. Only reason I could see a bus here is if the mafia wanted the vengeful kill to go off since cayvie kinda disappeared?
well we know hyena didn’t bus and he was the last vote. tony i assume is ic. so if there’s a bus it could only be ran. i dont really think ran had to bus though?

Yeah or you but you could have changed votes so probably not so perhaps it is just mist.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:25 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm Wait per the role description how did cayvie choose Hyena if she isn’t here? How does that work?
Was it just the last person who voted?
im pretty sure its not? is this a derp clear?

I thought hyena was the most recent vote and I know I played a game where that happened before. Only reason I could see a bus here is if the mafia wanted the vengeful kill to go off since cayvie kinda disappeared?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:20 pm ok im just lock clearing ran off that. tony too but he’s probably just ic

new poe can be mist/mp/sabie. last wolf has to be there
I think it’s sabie. Her hedging on cayvie was strange given that flip.

Ugh no I just wanted there to be more discussion about it before voting cayvie. I wouldn't be that obvious about defending a teammate I'm not THAT bad at this game.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm Wait per the role description how did cayvie choose Hyena if she isn’t here? How does that work?

Was it just the last person who voted?

Okay cool so cayvie was scum then one down one to go!

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