The Syndicate

Dom wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:Dom, what do mafioso want to do in a mafia game? That's right, they want to look like they're civilians! Some players in this game don't post much. When they do post, they post all the right things. Then they disappear into the shadows again. They look too good. Following me?

liunki: Two people survived the NK? Damn there's a lot of NK protection in this game.
Keys, I thought you were trying to apply this to me, that's where my confusion stemmed from. You used the word "you". would you characterize me this way?? I'm confused.

No, absolutely not. That's part of the reason why I trust you. You have got stuck into the game, and sometimes you say things that could be miscontrued. You're not squeaky-clean but you appear genuine in a way that some squeaky-clean players do not.

Dom, what do mafioso want to do in a mafia game? That's right, they want to look like they're civilians! Some players in this game don't post much. When they do post, they post all the right things. Then they disappear into the shadows again. They look too good. Following me?

liunki: Two people survived the NK? Damn there's a lot of NK protection in this game.

Chris wrote:keys, why is this an issue for you?

I just feel like you're overstating your part in that lynch. I think when the game's over and the truth comes out, it'll probably be so that your case on Sabie was wrong and that it was coincidental that she was bad. I don't want you having too much confidence in your theories, because your theories are often, sorry to say, garbage. Look how paranoid you've been about dying, are you dead now?

Chris wrote: Second, she voted for me days 7 & 8. Day 8, I laid a case out that got her lynched.

I gotta ask, did anyone vote Sabie because of the case Chris made? Just curious.

Dom wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:I'm not sure by any means that DF is the cyberhead, I'm just going off a hunch. Lots of people survived NKs - DF, someone I already suspect, surviving one too, pings me. There's a lot of time left, maybe I'll try to identify exactly how I feel about him and put it in words.

But I'm not staking my reputation on this or anything.
Can you summarize your thoughts on DF for me, then? I don't remember having a meaningful discussion on him at any point.

Essentially, I think he's been virtually perfect, which troubles me. He's too clean, y'know? Probably not, I don't think I can articulate this well at the moment. I'll need to frame this better. But I think the same of a few players. I'm interested in the ones that seem to be playing a very careful, straight-and-narrow sort of game. You players think you can see the end, that you can just hold on and make it - I'm onto you!

I'm not sure by any means that DF is the cyberhead, I'm just going off a hunch. Lots of people survived NKs - DF, someone I already suspect, surviving one too, pings me. There's a lot of time left, maybe I'll try to identify exactly how I feel about him and put it in words.

But I'm not staking my reputation on this or anything.

Welcome back, Zeek and MM! Not going to trust a word you guys say!

Hedge, Dom, I don't understand your consternation. What have I missed that eliminates DF from being cyberhead?

Epignosis wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:Or, Chris is that role that's hard to kill with an NK, y'know, the one he's hinted at?
Or, Eloh is that role and she isn't pay attention to shit.

No. Chris is who he claims to be.

Sheeeit.

Well, I think DF is head Cyberjerk, so I've voted.

Epignosis wrote:
Chris wrote:duh DUH DUH!!!

And who, pray tell, would that be Epig?

Why are you insisting that I'm The Master? I know you didn't role check me... did you get bad info? Other than me surviving 2 NKs, and not voting MM, do you have any actual thread evidence?

Or is it all hyperbole?
I was thinking about this a good bit today. I also thought about a few other scenarios, playing with what ifs and what could bes and what have you. But never mind.

No, I didn't check you. I can't do that and I'm not on a team with anyone who can. Precisely as I said. And since sabie got lynched (showing that the role checker was alive the whole time), this nonsense about me making a lie detector statement to fool the lie detector demonstrates without question that I was not lying. But never mind.

Do you know who did role check you? Ah.

Chris
3
Dom (7), sabie12 (8), DFaraday (14)
13%

Jerry bear (Chris)
3
Epignosis (6), sabie12 (13), Snow Dog (14)
12%

++++

sabie, THE role checker, voted for you twice in a row. And the Cybermen tried to kill you. She must want you out something fierce.

But never mind. She must have had bad info.

Right?

Or, Chris is that role that's hard to kill with an NK, y'know, the one he's hinted at?

Dom wrote:
Chris wrote:Wow.

Ok.

I don't mean to be rude, I mean it as a loving, joking, calm the hell down. You seriously go off the wall at the slightest suggestion that your narrative isn't the only narrative to be told.

This is true, Chris. It doesn't do us civs any favours.

Dom wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:Epignosis, I think Chris was targeted by the Cybermen and lived. So The Master is all he could be, other than this mysterious recruiter fellow.

Chris ain't the recruiter, TH. He's a civilian. Belie' dat.
How do you know he hasn't been recruited?

I actually don't know. He could very well have been recruited.

Chris, you didn't get us Sabie. You need to stop posting these wacky cases or you are going to get yourself lynched, and I ain't coming to the rescue the next time!

Epignosis, I think Chris was targeted by the Cybermen and lived. So The Master is all he could be, other than this mysterious recruiter fellow.

Chris ain't the recruiter, TH. He's a civilian. Belie' dat.

Hedgeowl wrote:Keys, did you see my previous post in response to you?

Yeah, you make a good case for your innocence, you say all the right things. I'm new here, but I think you are extremely sharp. Slick play is exactly what I'd expect, so you can see my dilemma.

I think it was you that swayed my thinking on Canucklehead and thus Epignosis, TH.

Turnip Head wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:Chris, just want to clear up the fact that my vote for Sabie had nothing to do with your cases. I switched from Epig to Sabie because my vote for Epig was based on flimsy circumstantial evidence, whereas Sabie seemed quite conspicuous.
To me it felt like you switched your vote because Chris asked you to in order to help save him. Was that not the case? And when did you change your mind re: your vote for Epi, did you always believe it to be based on "flimsy circumstantial evidence"? And what do you think about Epi now?

I was trying to save Chris, although I didn't think he was in particular danger like he was in the lynch before. I didn't see why changing from Epignosis to Sabie would help Chris. I changed my vote because I was afraid I was voting for a civ - bottom line. Sabie was genuinely acting suspicious, so it made sense to switch.

I always believed it to be flimsy. I can see Canuck being bad, being invested in another game, wanting not to let anybody down, doing the right thing and backing out before it was too late. What do I think of Epignosis now?

I lean towards misguided civilian.

MP7, my top suspects are DF, Gotrees, Hedgeowl, and to a lesser extent, Bass, ninjukyugou and Elohcin. I don't have a front-runner; I don't know whom to vote for.

What's the deal with Dana, btw? I see her name on IRC everyday. Did she just bail?

I don't know where I stand on the insanifier convo. Night is tchnically over, but Chris makes a good point that strictly speaking this long dawn delay is an unintended glitch. At any rate I reckon LC can stand this balloonery a little longer.

Chris, just want to clear up the fact that my vote for Sabie had nothing to do with your cases. I switched from Epig to Sabie because my vote for Epig was based on flimsy circumstantial evidence, whereas Sabie seemed quite conspicuous.

As for Epignosis, idk what to say. If you don't want to play the game, quit the game, y'know? Real life comes before mafia, that goes without saying, but we all have lives. I feel like this is more of a popularity contest than a game for some folks here.

I agree that the hosts have done a great job. These delays happen in every game, no biggie.

Chris wrote:Well, if Epig, Snow and Bass are who I just spent the entire day saying they are, yeah, I'm dead.

Why would you be dead? Your cases aren't convincing anyone, why bother NKing you? And you could be dead under other circumstances. Say you're wrong, but the Cybermen want it to appear as though you were right, so they NK you so as to frame your suspects, make it look like you were right, so we follow your lead and lynch them.

Might be that the mafia have more pressing business to attend to. Bigger fish to fry.

Gotrees - I don't have anything in particular against you, no thread evidence. I just feel like I sense nonchalance in you. That's how I felt about Sabie. That's how I feel about DF, Hedgeowl, and sure Chris, Bass too. I forgot about Bass.

There's another player, has a messed up username like xniadnfajfnou, count him/her in the mix. Feel like that player is a ghost.

How do people feel about Elohcin?

Where is Dana these days? It's like she stopped playing when Enrique was lynched.

linki: Chris, you crack me up. You cases are so wacky, and you're so paranoid, makes me lol. You suspect you're about to be NKd, or the day is going to be ended early and you'll be lynched on vote manipulation. Calm down bro!

I don't think Sonw Dog or Epignosis are mafioso. Chris, I think you're reaching.

My suspects for Sabie's teammates are:
DF,
Gotrees,
Hedgeowl,
in no particular order.

...

Hey Cybermen/Master, can has NK over here? Put me out of my misery!

Seriously though, this is getting old, no?

Oh wait, Sabie switched from Made to Enri? Yeah, you guys lost me.

Chris, I think you're great at figuring out all the different possibilities of a scenario, just you consider some possibilities as being way more plausible than I would normally do. To put it another, you reachin' brah

Turnip Head wrote:How does Chris's case make sense for Sabie being a Dalek? I don't see that angle.

He's saying that Sabie switched her vote from Enri to Made because she knew Made wouldn't be lynched. Sh had originally placed her vote for Enri to distance herself from him in the (at the time) likely event of his lynch. Of course, the Dalek team has been detroyed.

Aw go on Chris, vote Epig again. I totally won't go back to Sabie just to mess with you.

Fine, I'm heading back over to a Sabie vote. I will say that I agree with Dom, you've made a great case for Sabi being a Dalek! I think in general, Chris, I find your cases too wacky, over-thought. I find Sabie suspicious just from her tone. To me, she's like someone who looks like they're trying hard not to crack up laughing due to some uncontainable secret. Whistling, not looking at you, trying to be nonchalent.

Chris, I unchanged my mind, vote Epignosis again

I'm going with Epignosis2. I reckon the scenario put forth re: Canucky is a good one, and any time LC votes so confidently it's worth paying attention. See you all in the next day phase, if I make it. Peace!

I reckon the recruiter and his/her team probably win with whomever wins first (civs, cyber, dalek, master). I say this because they don't have an NK. In the event of the eradication of all mafia and The Master, the recruiter could just recruit all civs and we'd all win.

That or, The Master is the recruiter. But that doesn't make sense considering his ability to have BTSC with that other indy role, the one MetalMarsh had. And if The Master can recruit, he would be a very powerful role.

Turnip Head wrote:I disagree Keys. Being mafia is an even bigger commitment than being civvie because you have to keep up with your team's BTSC.

Epi2.0 replaced Canucklehead, who was also playing the Monty Python game at the time she was replaced.

Maybe, TH, maybe. Canuck likes to participate and definitely wouldn't want to let down any teammates, so it stands to reason that she would probably sub out early, especially if she was involved with another game. It's definitely plausible that she was bad.

Chris, that could well be the case. I got the sense from Roxy that she just wanted him lynched for the heck of it, but yeah there might have been some btsc strategy to it.

linki: Snow Dog, address all further comments to the hand, k? thxbai

Chris wrote:Well, I really believe Epig and Sabie are Cybermen for starters...

You really believed MP was bad, too. Admittedly, I did lead you on with that, but it was for the greater good!

Whom did Epig sub in for? In my experience, mafioso don't often quit games, simply because, as we talked about before, there is way less concentration required being in a mafia team. Because of that reason alone, I lean away from Epig being bad.

Sabie as far as I can tell has been pretty quiet. She was quick to jump on the vote for yourself, that's pretty much all I can remember about her. Maybe look at her voting record.

I think it's worth looking at DFaraday. I can't put my finger on why, but he's on my radar.

We don't really know what the recruiter's deal is, whether they're bad guys or whether us civs can win with them. Because of that element, I think it better to aim for the Cybermen and The Master. The Master, if he's not the recruiter, is on his own now, unless those other secret roles ??? were similarly linked to him. Let's assume they don't. So then The Master is on his own, as opposed to there being a team out there. A team imo is more dangerous. So it stands to reason that we should aim for the Cybermen.

Know any Cybermen?

Chris wrote:keys, what do you think about today's lynch? Should we go after CyberMen, the recruiter, or The Master?

You say that like we really have a choice, like you're casually looking at the menu, asking if we should have the chicken or the fish.

I think we should go after the most suspicious targets and hope for the best. Honestly, I don't know whom to suspect. I've been distracted, thinking about how not to put MP in any more danger, how to save your ass, and lately, yeah. I'll get back to work on a target.

Snow Dog wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Is keys always this offensive?

Snow Dog wrote:I mean obnoxious really when I think about it. And no, Keeeeys....it wasn't obvious.
Is Snow Dog always such a passive-aggressive bitch?

Seriously, kid, idk what your problem is, but if you keep biting, I'll bite back. No confrontation.
Just fuck off.
Idk what I did to set you off, and I'm a reasonable guy, but no. Fuck no. I'm playing this game till my role dies. And then I'm signing up for the next game.
I won't be playing any games that you are signed up to.
Did I stumble into a sorority or what
I have no clue what that means.

It essentially means that, contrary to your username, you're a bit catty.

This is to you, Epig, anyone else who feels the same way: if you think I'm the sort of person who has his feelings hurt by petty, highschool-drama-esque emotional blackmail from people on the internet that he doesn't even know, you are very much mistaken and liable to be bitch-slapped. Leave me alone and you will be left alone.

Now, I'm going to get back to playing this game.

Snow Dog wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Is keys always this offensive?

Snow Dog wrote:I mean obnoxious really when I think about it. And no, Keeeeys....it wasn't obvious.
Is Snow Dog always such a passive-aggressive bitch?

Seriously, kid, idk what your problem is, but if you keep biting, I'll bite back. No confrontation.
Just fuck off.
Idk what I did to set you off, and I'm a reasonable guy, but no. Fuck no. I'm playing this game till my role dies. And then I'm signing up for the next game.
I won't be playing any games that you are signed up to.

Did I stumble into a sorority or what

Snow Dog wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Is keys always this offensive?

Snow Dog wrote:I mean obnoxious really when I think about it. And no, Keeeeys....it wasn't obvious.
Is Snow Dog always such a passive-aggressive bitch?

Seriously, kid, idk what your problem is, but if you keep biting, I'll bite back. No confrontation.
Just fuck off.

Idk what I did to set you off, and I'm a reasonable guy, but no. Fuck no. I'm playing this game till my role dies. And then I'm signing up for the next game.

Snow Dog wrote:Is keys always this offensive?

Snow Dog wrote:I mean obnoxious really when I think about it. And no, Keeeeys....it wasn't obvious.

Is Snow Dog always such a passive-aggressive bitch?

Seriously, kid, idk what your problem is, but if you keep biting, I'll bite back. No confrontation.

Snow Dog wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Keys, why are you suddenly so sure Mp was Civ?
I was sure for quite a while, just faked suspecting him in the hope of convincing the bad guys that he might be lynchable, so they wouldn't straight-up NK him. Doesn't appear to have worked. :/
How long? Was your first suspicion fake or genuine? And why did you wait to be asked about this? Why not say in your first post after MP's death that it had been a ruse?

Something is not right here.

What's not right?

Yeah, it was genuine at first. I felt like I sensed him really relishing his role, and assumed that the only roles to relish were the bad ones. As time went on, it became more and more obvious that I was horribly wrong. But the guy had a massive target on his back, and I reckoned the only way to relieve that was to up his lynch momentum. Why didn't I explicitly disclose it the moment he died? Well, I assumed there was no need; that people would infer it from my request to have the guy rezzed, that he was the best civ that lived, etc. You didn't get that from my post? It wasn't immediately obvious to you that I'd been faking it? Otherwise, like you observed, why was I suddenly so sure that MP was civ?

Chris, recruiting people? *guffaw*

The only good point I read up there is that Elo isn't a proven civvie, as someone (BR?) states. There's at least one mafia role that can survive NKs.

Doesn't matter, because no one is a proven civvie. In fact, the most civvish-seeming among us are the best targets for recruitment. I'm talking Elo, LC, Dana, etc. Anyone you really thought was a civilian, probably isn't anymore.

Everytime that insanifier throws out "bigsimpsin" I get teary-eyed. ;(

Snow Dog wrote:Keys, why are you suddenly so sure Mp was Civ?

I was sure for quite a while, just faked suspecting him in the hope of convincing the bad guys that he might be lynchable, so they wouldn't straight-up NK him. Doesn't appear to have worked. :/

Dom wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:Harsh night post.

MP7, I apologise for ever suspecting you. I had to do what I had to do. But you, you were the greatest civ to ever live. *cries* If anyone can rez anyone, we want to be rezzing MP. Get on that, rez guy, if you exist.

Someone else survived an NK. We have a list of these people now. They can't all be civ, can they?
I'm very worried about this recruiter fellow. People we thought were civ yesterday might be mafioso today. That's how it is. You can't trust anyone. Who's recruited?
Question: Why do you suddenly care about people surviving NKs?

I'm asking, they can't all be civ, can they?

Harsh night post.

MP7, I apologise for ever suspecting you. I had to do what I had to do. But you, you were the greatest civ to ever live. *cries* If anyone can rez anyone, we want to be rezzing MP. Get on that, rez guy, if you exist.

Someone else survived an NK. We have a list of these people now. They can't all be civ, can they?

I'm very worried about this recruiter fellow. People we thought were civ yesterday might be mafioso today. That's how it is. You can't trust anyone. Who's recruited?

S~V~S wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:Oh fuck yes! Exterminated! Told you I'd avenge you, fingersplints <3
Um, you didn't vote for her, Lol.

I did, then you talked me out of it. Last time I listen to you!~ But I'm taking credit for swinging the lynch away from Chris, who might otherwise have dug that hole to Australia, whereupon, he would have been eaten by dingos.

Chris, g'day mate! I'm still looking at MP. I don't think there is the will to lynch him, considering how much he posts, but I definitely think that's he whole game; he's hiding in the spotlight.

I just want the Cybermen, and The Master, and whoever it is that's recruiting people, to know that I do not fear them. The Doctor has let me into his life and I love him. He will show me the way. Even if I die, the civilians in this town will triumph. I have faith. I believe.

Oh fuck yes! Exterminated! Told you I'd avenge you, fingersplints <3

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