The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Haha, you guys crack me up.

I don't want this game to devolve into who hints and who doesn't. Not judging anyone that hints, I've dropped a few myself, I just feel like this has been a good game and it'd be a shame to essentially force a cheap win.

Yeah, I agree. You hinted? :o You hinter.

Nah. Just trolling our remaining mafiosai. Good luck searching through my post history!

Haha, you guys crack me up.

I don't want this game to devolve into who hints and who doesn't. Not judging anyone that hints, I've dropped a few myself, I just feel like this has been a good game and it'd be a shame to essentially force a cheap win.

Zeek, Dom is most lkely the only player not accounted for that voted Epig, I agree, but how do you know The Master voted Epig that day?

zeek, I'm confused.

Long Con wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:BR who are your top suspects and why?

I suspect DFaraday. Something weird happened last night that I can't find how it would happen so I am still unsure about him. I also suspect Epig and Dom. Dom is actually my main suspect for The Master. I just can't pull anything together to support my gut feel on that.

There ya go!

The weird thing could be The Ood's power working on BR.

Let's play a BSG game next, yay!

I think at this stage of the game, throwing out a role hint is an acceptable risk. After all, there's a good chance later in the game that the role is dead. And who knows, maybe by some recruiting btsc jiggery, DF knows The Ood (thanks Hedge ) is dead. I would say The Ood is a convenient role to pretend to be, since it's a lone civ, but there is the potential that someone targeted the Ood, had the action reversed back on them, and they therefore know who The Ood is. Because of that extra element, I'd personally be against pretending to be that role. I'd risk hinting at another. Idk. In this particular case, I feel 60/40ish that the hint is genuine.

Chris wrote:Did anyone ever notice that no one has suspected keys of being bad... like ever?

You have suspected me of some things. I can't remember what. I'm sure you've at least accused me of being recruited.

But yeah, other than you, nothing.

MP, I'm changing my vote to Hedgeowl. Little more comfortable with her than DF. I don't know who splints was, but I can tell you she seemed annoyed that Roxy was on the team that killed her. So I am sure she wans't the recruiter. I still think she was most likely a civ.

Blooper is Nijuu? What's there to say about him? There are times I'm convinced he's bailed, but then he comes back and makes a post that gives an indication that he is following at least on some basic level. So idk.

MP, why so trusting of Gotrees and Hedgeowl?

linki, yes she has been ready to sub in.

I might have ragequitted a little back there, my apologies.


I think I might give DF a bye for his role hint. No one has come forth to contest it, so unless he knows whom The Odd was, or is gambling that he knows whom The Odd was (I certainly don't recall anyone else hinting at it, but I'm not a show-watcher), he might very well be The Odd.

Any thoughts on Hedgeowl and Gotrees? I'm curious to know if anyone can vouch for Dom. I'm considering a Hedgeowl vote.

I'm starting to feel like a sane person in an insane assylum. I've got nothing to say to you guys, because quite frankly, it feels like pissing in a hurricane. Lynch whomever the fuck you want, I'm voting DF.

Chris says Elo being Strax is the only explanation, Chris says SVS is the recruiter, Chris says he's a realist. Chris is the furthest thing away from a realist there is. Chris is fantasist. He is wasting our time. I am tempted to vote for him just to get him out of the way.

LC, no, not lhat role. Don't have any confirmation that SD is a civ.

Chris, what Elohcin was probably trying to hint at was that Strax's first three civs targeted don't die. That's what the hosts put in the roles afterwards, right? So that's the simple explanation. Why does it have to be some fucking wacky Elo IS Strax theory? Do you have any idea how fucking crazy you sound with these warped theories?

MP7 - why are you saying Chris might be right about DF?

Lmfao Chris, you've outdone yourself there.

I'm gonna go watch the Boardwalk Empire finale! Cheerio!

Chris wrote:I think Elo could have been Strax.

I really hope I'm wrong.

Strax targeted Elo pretty early in the game, so I doubt it.

Long Con wrote: Keys, I read that post very carefully already. I'm looking at it right now. Just because his posts CAN be interpreted on an individual basis as innocent or misguided... well, that's to be expected. He's not OVERTLY defending Bass, and yet it remains a subtle theme throughout his posts. That's how it looks when a baddie defends their teammate.

Most of those posts quoted aren't casual defenses of Bass, though. They're literally taken out of context. There's only 2-3 genuine defenses of Bass. Not a dozen. Definitely not evidence of a subliminal defense.

What you're seeing is unfortunate coincidence. If Snow Dog had teammates, he'd have known who the doctor was. He'd have known who a lot of roles are.

Look, if you guys want to lynch SD, have at it. Maybe I'll fight the good fight for him, maybe I won't. I didn't join this game to defend lone civs from the wolves. Maybe before lynching SD, consider Chris. I don't remember there being any confirmation that he was a civ, everyone wanted to lynch him a few days ago..

linkis

Elohcin eh? Interesting choice. Is the remaining Cyber/s being kind to the civs participating?

So long MM. You were fun to play with, hope to see you again.

keys56000000000 wrote: oneeeee...

new wireless keyboard :o

LC, read my reaction post to MP's quote post, the one where I deal with them one by oneeeee...

If I die, which is well overdue, I stand by my suspects! DF, Hedge, Gotrees. Go Civs! o/

Epignosis wrote:I happen to like MP's signature.

Here's hoping you also like elderly swingers' sites' ad banners

MovingPictures07 wrote:keys, I only posted every single one so that people could make up their own mind. They're not all notable.

Feel free to disagree then. Sig bet it is.

Ok, but LC characterised it as SD casually defending Bass, and together one could get the false impression that SD really did defend Bass all those times that you quoted, when most are out of context. I would urge LC to take a closer inspection of the evidence put forth against SD.

I just want to say, fuck you for making me put this much effort into a post.

MovingPictures07 wrote: The following posts are all the others he makes about Bass, in order.

Snow Dog wrote:

Dom wrote:

Chris wrote:Snow Dog... I know you're itching to vote for me. Just do it.

I've really given up. Every time I make a post, someone turns it into an issue. I'm distracting from the game . I just want to pack it in.

Do me the favor. Put me out of my misery. Vote for me man...

Just curious, how did you react when MP did this?

Snow Dog wrote:I don't feel I can vote bass for holding the same suspicion of Hedge that I do. That'd be unfair. Chris got me convinced (with input from others) that he is jack. But now I'm unsure again.

Dammit this game has got me so paranoid.

That's not why I'm voting Bass....
He implied knowledge of how the recruitments work, which someone on the team would know.

Did he? Maybe he just assumed something? I'll try and find that post.

We now know that Bass wasn't recruited, so SD was right, Bass did just assume something. Why does this have to be defending? This could simply be reasoning. Trying to be a dilligent civilian.

Snow Dog wrote:

Chris wrote:Remember, the MM/Epig lynch was a tie on paper, but the hosts said it was not a tie.

Amy knows where she voted... If she voted for Epig, then she knows that The CyberHead found the body.

And Snow was one of the MM voters.


Linki @ Snow: Oh no you don't You don't get to go suddenly find a reason to vote Bass. Bass merely said that he thought there were three recruits using the same logic I did. Odd day recruitments.

Dom, why didn't you find it suspicious that I used that same logic that Bass did. I said it before Bass did even.

Yes I found that post. I see nothing there but i want to know what Dom made of it.

Isn't SD actually defending Chris here and not Bass?

Snow Dog wrote:@Dom.

I don't know. It seemed to me he was just making suppositions. Certainly not enough to warrant a vote(from me anyway) . Seems we'll find out later either way.

Are we still talking about Bass knowing how the recruitment works? Because, as we know, he didn't. SD is correct, Bass was making suppostitions. Now maybe SD knew this because they're teammates. Or, he was just reasoning, like a good civilian would. It seems pretty reasonable to me.

Snow Dog wrote:

Chris wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Both reasons.

Both?

1 reason sounds like you would vote for him no problem, but he's already got a huge lead.

The other reason says that you won't vote for him because he suspected Hedgie like you did.


You do see the difference in meaning, don't you?



You're bullshitting... badly.

It is both reasons. More than one reason. Two reasons. I had doubts about the case and that he was going to be lynched anyway solidified it. I can't understand why you can't understand this process..

It's how i work anyway.

If I had extra votes I could just as easily have voted bass and be done with it. Hidden votes. But i didn't. For two reasons.

Now stop being so rude. I am a person playing a game here.

This isn't SD defending Bass. This happens after the lynch. And I think he's telling the truth.

Snow Dog wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Why because how I voted?

Don't bother man, they've made there minds up and ain't nothing gonna change it.

Frustration. You guys are stubborn, some of you do wear blinders. I appreciate how he feel here 100%. I could get a headache reading the ridiculous conclusions that have been made this game.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Is everyone here recruited ffs?

What are you even talking about?

You and Bass couldn't be any more bad; it's not even funny. So that makes everyone else recruited?

i don't know about bass, but show me how I'm bad. Where does this consensus come from? what evidence? or is it bad info? What trickery is afoot? I despair I really do. No one engages with me besides Chris. I answer accusations and am ignored. this sucks so much.

How the fuck is this post indication that SD is teammates with Bass? It sounds like completely sincere, reasonable frustration to me.

Snow Dog wrote:

zeek wrote:

zeek wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Kind of I guess. But not as certain as I am of Hedge and now i am getting convinced of DF.

Zeek! You are one of the ones I trust...am i wrong too?

What makes you more sure of those two, over Bass?

I'm glad you trust me but I feel like if I disagree with you you'll say I've been recruited as well. I haven't, I'm the same old loveable zeek.

nty

I have played with Hedge plentyi of times so i know her but the clincher for me was...she hadn't mentioned me as suspicious all game then suddenly its "Snow DOg" . just felt forced to me. Thev right thing to say..whatever. It pinged the hell out of me. she is bad. I hate this keyboard

DF. Ok not certain of him at all but he seems to fit the bill and the Mast is a prority. The cases on him seem sound. it appeals. seems right.

Bass. i havev read his posts and i don't see it. He could be bad and if he's lynched I hope you are right. Not my top prority though But i hardly know him so maybe i am not seeing the case. think I pkayed with hi once on another site.

Again, this just reads like SD genuinely unsure of the case against Bass.

Snow Dog wrote:I have had my head in the sand regarding bass. A switch and then a block. Can he survive a further lynch?

Great game though if a bit stressing and when I was posting this morning I had been drinking and was sooooo tired. How do you manage it Zeek?

Is this defending Bass? Sounds like he is conceding he is wrong.

Snow Dog wrote:Is Bass the Master?

Why is this even quoted? MP, quantity is not a substitute for quality.

I think I should be getting my point across by now. Oh, and for those that take note of such things, I didn't see many adverbs from SD. I find him quite concise.

I looked at his interactions with Bass and I don't see what you see. TBH, when you say they're DAMNING, you sound like Chris! And I didn't go into specific examples because they all fall under the same categories: civ errors that you mistake for baddie behaviour, unfortunate coincidences. I'd just be repeating myself.

Perhaps unneccessary words to you, but Snow Dog expresses himself differently from you. I don't think you fully appreciate that. I don't personally see what's so bad about him saying he literally didn't know. It's a simple statement. For whatever reason, it rubs you up the wrong way, and you think he's lying.

You're going to make this difficult aren't you, lol. Ahhhh. Snow, gonna need your help defending you. Try not to say anything that can be twisted against you.

I'm happy with a sig-bet, MP. I think this time I'm on the winning side. Before I was more or less going out on a limb, calling your bluff more than anything. This time I'm much more confident. Prolly should start thinking of something ridiculous to add to your sig..

Snow, maybe articulate is the wrong word. Basically I fear that very vocal players like MP and Chris could effectively whitewash any counter-argument you might present.

Take your most recent post as an example of that. MP points it out to me too. You use "literally" twice. That rubs MP up the wrong way. He thinks you're being insincere. You cannot win.

But MP, how is that proof that he's bad? You don't like the way he's wording things, perhaps it appears a little too WIFOMy for you. But it doesn't make him bad.

It just occured to me that you seem to suspect SD for the same sort of reasons I suspected you earlier on. You said stuff that I was convinced could only come from a mafioso. I was convinced that you were insincere, taking everyone for fools.

Dom wrote:Keys, personally, I don't think anyone's bailed here.
I just feel Elohcin has added virtually nothing in days, but has "participated". I'm wondering if she has nefarious purposes. I am far more suspicious of DFaraday, though.

I don't want to jump to conclusions but I don't think either Elohcin or Nijuukyugou are playing. Would be fairer to let somebody else play. Especially since somebody's been skipped more than once on the replace-back-in list. >_>

OK MP7, I has read through what you've got to say on SD and my feelings are basically that you are confusing a misguided civ for a bad guy.

SD is someone who has made mistakes. He's the victim of unfortunate circunstances. He's been frustrated, paranoid, misguided -- literally, when you declared TH was The Master and voted for him. He is not someone with a team passing him info, advice, anything. He is a lone civvie who has got stuck into this game, found himself in unfortunate circumstances, and is finding it hard to defend himself against articulate players. Of this I am convinced.

doc wrote:Because I really would shit my pants if he was anything but bad at this point. His behavior is suspicious and now that we know Bass was Cyber, it pretty much follows that Snowy is Cyber. And hopefully recruited.

Can you summerise what links Snow to Bass? I have no confirmation that SD is civ, but it is rare that I so strongly believe in a player. Don't make me battle to keep him alive, that was tiring with Chris.

IDK about you guys, but, contrary to the nay-sayers who are sure we're all doomed, I get the distinct feeling that we civs are cleaning up, here.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Linki w/ keys: Yeah, I'm not sure I understand either, but it seems the "stop" yesterday was a host error then?

Ah, right, of course.

Well, I'm still suspicious of DF, Gotrees and Hedge. Going to keep looking there. I'm still fairly confident SD is civ. Unsure about Elo and Nijuu.

Well, that's great. Doesn't explain the lynch switch and stop, unless they are powers the Cybers had that weren't listed.

That, or, one of the secret roles is a civilian, has lynch-switch and stop powers, and genuinely believed Bass to be a civ.

IDK what to believe right now. Chris, you got the answers?

If I had to place my bets now, I'd say DF and Hedge are bad.

Elohcin and Nijuu are interesting insofar as I can't tell if they're actually paying attention or not. Are they playing or just pretending to play? It's hard to get a read on these players because of that.

zeek wrote:Mind games or not, lying or not, we can form our own opinions on what he says. He is at the very least a window into his team, which is all we have on them at the moment.

Of course. I guess what I'm saying is, make sure your opinions are your own and not what MM wants you to think!

I think I caught MM hinting that his recruiter team win with the civs. On one hand, since they don't have a kill, that might well be the case. On the other hand, they might simply take over the NK when The Master dies, or indeed, it could be The Master recruiting. But I think, if I was correct about that hint, that he's lying.

A team that could win with the civs, that could recruit mafia, would be devestating for the mafia. A 4-man mafia team would have a slim chance at taking on another mafia team, The Master, the civs and the recruited.

MM is going to be pushing his own agenda. It might overlap with our agenda, but I doubt we can both win together. Because of that, I caution listening to MM. He's in a perfect position to play mind games.

Opinions on the quiet players? Gotrees? Elohcin? Nijuu?

SVS, let the man stop. With any luck, he'll actually stop, lol.

Chris wrote:

That's not what I asked you... but ok.

I just really don't think Bass is The Master. You think the stop was one of this 3 lives, I think the stop points to the likelihood of a princess (or perhaps, evil princess recruiter) role. Let's say he is The Master - I doubt even more that The Master is recruitable. It's just a guess from me here but I am confident that there are unrecruitable roles.


But ok, what if Bass comes back as a recruited The Master. Well, idk. Keep going after our top suspects. It's not like we have a list of confirmed baddies to lynch one by one. You want me to get you a menu, decide which baddie you want to take out next, Chris?

linki: I'd be happy with a Bass NK.

Chris wrote:keys & MP, what would you opinion be on where to proceed if Bass came back as a recruited Master, once lynched?

My guess is that The Master can't be recruited, and at any rate, I don't think Bass is The Master. But I firmly believe Bass will come back bad, and then I say we look at the other people we suspect. My suspects remain the same, I say we lynch DF next.

And I completely agree about ignoring MM. He hasn't given us any infomation on this recruiting team, which is more worrying than reassuring.

While I guess it's possible that it wasn't a lynch-stop but a failed lynch, the fact that it came the day after a lynch-switch, saving the same player, leads me to very strongly suspect that a princess role was responsible. Bass doesn't neccessarily have to be that role, but I find it highly unlikely now that the switch and stop were designed to do anything other than save a baddie Bass.

Chris, I could have gone with that scenario if it was just a lynch switch, but using a stop on a third party makes no sense. Those powers are valuble.

Generally in games there is a "princess/mayor" role that can switch one lynch per game and stop one. A switch on its own could have been a prize, but a switch and stop, used on the same player at that? It's got to be a princess role, all signs point to one of the ??? secret roles. Who knows the allignment, but it could very well be our mystery Recruiter.

Chris, just to kick you while you're down, you're overusing the shit out of that enter button. You don't need to make each line its own paragraph, especially if the lines are related. And yeah, your thoughts are retarded.

You aren't retarded, Chris. I apologise for saying that. I just think you ignore possibilities. You jump to conclusions. You have double-standards when it comes to suspecting players. If you can't recognise those issues, I'm going to continue to ridicule your thoughts, because I have put a lot of time and energy into this game too and don't want to see you throw it down the drain.

One thing I pointed out that has gone unmentioned: The Recruiters aren't killing us. Say we take out the remaining Cybers and The Master, do you think they will take over one or both kills? Which kill do you reckon they'll take? The fact that they're not killing us would have me speculate that they win with the civs. The only thing the has me unsure about that is Roxy was recruited. A recruiter team that wins with the civs and can recruit mafioso would be a serious disadvantage to the mafia teams. IDK, maybe that's how the game is set up, but personally I wouldn't do that to the mafia's chances.

linki: I see two likely scenarios:

1) Bass is a recruited role with a decent power, worth saving. One of those secret roles is the Recruiter, and along with the power to recruit, he/she has the power to lynch switch ones a game and lynch stop once a game. That player is saving Bass.

2) Bass is that player. A secret role with a lynch-switch and lynch-stop. Could be The Recruiter, could just be a secret role. Who knows the allignment. And he's using that power to save himself.

Long Con wrote:Ah, keys, it's good to be back. You don't think I'd leave my homie alone out here with all these insane folk, do ya?

It did seem that way for a bit, yeah. Like I had gotten old, all my friends were dead and I was in a home surrounded by mentally-challenged tall-tale-tellers.

Me too!

MC LC wrote:a-wi-wi--wiccka-werr-wi-wi-awareness

Chris wrote:
I also think that the stop and the switch are end game preparations by the recruitment team.

But I'm a pessimist with a fatalistic view on most things.

.

End game? What on Earth gives you reason to be confident about that? You are the most paranoid mafia player I have ever known.


I swear you've been watching too much True Detective.

Chris wrote:I pray you're right.

But I fear you're wrong.

Uh huh. Well, what's your view?

Chris wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

Chris wrote:keys, do you think Bass or his team are responsible for the switch and/or the stop?

Yes, 100%, without a doubt.

How did they do it?

Someone, most lkely Bass, has a lynch-switch and lynch-stop. Perhaps Bass is a secret role, perhaps he's the recruiter we've been looking for. Since no switch and stop are listeded amongst the Cyber roles or Master, that's my best guess. If Bass isn't that secret role, then he is a recruited player being saved by that role. Presumably an important role to have the power used both times to save him. But, IMO more likely, Bass is that role.

Chris wrote:keys, do you think Bass or his team are responsible for the switch and/or the stop?

Yes, 100%, without a doubt.

Hehe, all signs point to Bass ---> Mafioso

Sup LC. Anything to tell us from your new vantage point? Your thoughts regarding the time you've been away?

The Recruiter might have only gained the ability to recruit mid-game. And there are bound to be roles that cannot be recruited.

Bea: post plz