The Syndicate

Ah man I can't believe nobody even showed up today to read my post and stuff Oh well, please read it if you get a chance and think about it, I am going to bed. At any rate it was a fun game so far and i will see you on the other side

Alright I am gonna try one more time to make my case against LC and defend myself and i hope you will actually consider it instead of hopping on my lynchtrain without any good reason (bass, splints).

Regardless or not if LC is blue, he is definitely a very powerful player, the fact that he has so many properties (and clearly has enough money to constantly bid for powers and properties) makes it very likely he can win this game (see my previous post and the fact he was trying to outbid MM on day 11)

Furthermore, TH has been consistenly trying to get LC lynched because of the reasons I listed above

Turnip Head wrote:Should change your votes guys. LC will soon be unstoppable.

Now, the fact that he is clearly very powerful might already be enough to try and lynch LC, but apart from that it is also really interesting that:

Conveniently, Vermont Avenue kills Turnip Head last night

AND that LC is not at all interested in lynching someone who owns the ONLY kill left in the game, but instead wants to go after TH's teammember, of who we are not even sure if he/she has TH's properties:

Long Con wrote:

HannaK wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm not Vermont. I would say Vermont killed TH because he was the most powerful with his hotels. Possibly a frame-up job, which makes me eye HannaK for bringing it up like this.

What makes you say that he was powerful? To my knowledge he was a pinkie and had only one hotel (if his claims about not having other teammates was true) and was the first player to almost go bankrupt in the game?

He also had Indiana Ave with a hotel.

And, fingersplints, Metalmarsh made it clear that Turnip Head had a teammate, surely something drawn from his knowledge as a Utility. We should look back and see who among the living had landed on a Utility, Turnip Head's teammate is among those people. I'm sure that TH would have traded all his properties and prizes to his teammate since he was so much in the spotlight, and had publicly bought a red hotel.

That's the person we need to lynch today.

No, we need to lynch the person who actually can kill other players, or at least that's how civvies would reason...makes me question LC's priorities.

So regardless or not LC is a blue or not (I still think he can be, just not necessarily so), this makes me vote for Long Con and I am going to do so.


Also, I think it is really intesting that MP definitely thinks I'm blue right after LC votes for me because I am pink, weird MP doesn't come back to that.
Apart from this, I have not much else to say to defend myself, the only 'evidence' for me being a blue (according to MP) is that I suddenly have posted more, I only did that because I feel that LC is really close to winning this game and I wanted to try and do something about that before it was too late...I guess you can lynch me for that but like I said, when you see the result you will be severely disappointed.

I know this game calls for a lynchtrain but apart from MP and LC, I find it really disappointing that the rest just votes for me without any good reason or reasoning or even describe why they are voting for me in more than one sentence...I had sort of expecting otherwise this late in the game but yeah all I can ask is: please read this post and re-consider?

(Also: the voting deadline really sucks for me as I am on UK time and will not stay up till 3 am to see the results so if anyone has any questions for me or anything, I am around to answer them but please do not wait till the last 3 hours because I will simply not be here and I hate if people will mention that as the reason why they vote for me because i cant defend myself then)

Also, am I the only one who is really worried about this?:

Long Con wrote:St. James Place - $15
Tennessee Avenue - $15
Boardwalk - $15
Mediterranean Avenue - $15
Water Works - $15
Oriental Avenue - $15
Illinois Avenue - $15
Virginia Avenue - $15
North Carolina Avenue - $15
Pennsylvania Avenue - $15
Kentucky Avenue - $15

MovingPictures07 wrote:

HannaK wrote:Oh and sorry for double posting but I was flying pretty below the radar before today so why would I 'risk' that strategy if I were part of the blue team and close to winning. It's the opposite: I really think LC is part of the blue team that has the kill and is thus close to winning this thing

This is WIFOM though.

And it seems WAY more likely to me that the Blues would want to get someone mislynched today, would they not? All they have to do is get someone nonBlue lynched today, NK someone, and then the game should be within grasp.

Why do you think LC is party of the blue team? Because TH said so? You haven't really explained it.

I definitely think you're Blue.

Yes that is exactly what the blues are doing, except I am not blue and you are basically handing them the game by focusing on me.

Long Con wrote:

HannaK wrote:Oh and sorry for double posting but I was flying pretty below the radar before today so why would I 'risk' that strategy if I were part of the blue team and close to winning. It's the opposite: I really think LC is part of the blue team that has the kill and is thus close to winning this thing

That's a good strategy, of course, pick the guy who's had the most "heat" and pin it on him, but... I'm not a blue. My hue is a bit warmer. This is all I need to see, I figured you were TH's teammate ever since MM implied it.

*votes HannaK*

Both of you are wrong although one is way more wrong than the other one.
Honestly, I am not blue and I am not at all powerful in this game. You're planning to lynch the wrong person, making it really easy for a very powerful team to win this game with their kill but whatever, you'll see when my properties come up that you've made a big big mistake, I am not sure what else to make of it. I am not 100% LC is blue but I know I am not and I do not know what else to say to avoid being lynched except that you lose everything and gain nothing

Oh and sorry for double posting but I was flying pretty below the radar before today so why would I 'risk' that strategy if I were part of the blue team and close to winning. It's the opposite: I really think LC is part of the blue team that has the kill and is thus close to winning this thing

MovingPictures07 wrote:
If you don't have BTSC with Hanna, think about it and let me know what you think. I mean, the way she has come in here and her most recent posts. Then contrast it with all her posts before, content and frequency. Doesn't it seem odd to you?

Re: power play, I meant the following: Like because the numbers are dwindling and TH and MM are dead and the kill has passed, if you and Hanna were both on the Blues, it would benefit you HEAVILY to come in here and lynch LC, because then you have a really good chance of winning the game thereafter. Combined with the change in Hanna's level of certainty and her post frequency, it seems a likely theory. If you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of it? It's just what my gut is telling me, frankly.

Oh I definitely agree with the fact that I went from not posting a lot to posting a lot today, but maybe rethink your conclusion that I must be blue and think of other possibilities that help explain my 'sudden' interest in lynching LC (although to be fair, I think I've said before I was afraid of LC getting too powerful and I voted for him previously as well).

Oh sorry MP: I missed your post about saying that I am part of the blues, any reason for that because I can assure you that I am not

MovingPictures07 wrote:

HannaK wrote:Okay I've been trying to wait around for BWT to come around and answer to the case that's been made but I gotta leave now and so far that case looks the most convincing to me, especially because if (and that already is an if) Long Con is in a set with Llama and another person, they dont have to be a mafia team and especially considering how strong the baddies are right now in terms of money and knowledge, I think lynching (potential) baddies is a priority to lynching potential indysets so I am gonna go ahead and vote for BWT.

HannaK wrote:As I see no point in randomly picking a low poster, I am gonna vote for llama who's evidence for suspicions I do not find convincing and I feel llama might be bad or at the very least potentially part of a LMS group (and considering there are so few baddies left the chances of lynching someone of a LMS group look much better imo)

HannaK wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: LC and Llama's actions time and time again convince me that they're not acting in the civvies' best interests. They NO U me, Llama is willing to lynch just about anyone that isn't him or LC, and their posts have been full of behavior that fails to satisfy me as genuine.

The only solid reasoning I have right now is that I find the case against LC convincing that he is very likely to be part of a LMS group and as a sole civvie, this is worrying me the most right now, but hey if someone has a really solid case against a player being mafia I am all ears

I thought you were one of my main supporters of the LC/Llama connection.

In the first post I say that they could be together but not necessarily so

In the second post I say llama might be in a LMS group (not necessarily with llama)

In this third post I say LC might be in a LMS group (not necessarily with llama)

so uhm I wouldnt say I've been the biggest supporter of your theory MP

And please elaborate on how I am fishy and how that matters? You think I have the kill because otherwise I do not get why you would vote for me

Turnip Head wrote: I guess we'll see if anyone inherits the kill. I don't know if I believe LC when he says he didn't bid on Beatdown. The reds spent a lot of money on houses, hotels, and Epi's Chance card, while the baby blues were frugal with their house purchases. These were the two established teams when Beatdown was put up for auction. Smart money says the blues at least tried to get the power.

^Also this makes me think there is a real possibility LC is blue and that his team is in the possession of the beatdown power

MovingPictures07 wrote:This smells fishy to me.

I think it's much more likely LC was aligned with Llama, making him a Green.

It's odd that Hanna, who has voiced little for most of the game beyond just going with the flow, would propose such a line of thinking.

with so few people left and the fact that TH who has repeatedly warned us about LC becoming too powerful is now dead i dunno, guess it makes sense to express a strong opinion for once.
I wasn't sure back then about the whole llama / LC thing and I am not now so I would not say he's likely to be part of the greens

I bet that LC is part of the group that has the kill and I care more about that than a potential alive teammate of TH who may or may not have inherited some of TH's stuff

Long Con wrote:I'm not Vermont. I would say Vermont killed TH because he was the most powerful with his hotels. Possibly a frame-up job, which makes me eye HannaK for bringing it up like this.

What makes you say that he was powerful? To my knowledge he was a pinkie and had only one hotel (if his claims about not having other teammates was true) and was the first player to almost go bankrupt in the game?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

HannaK wrote:RIP TH

Is there any evidence/reason why Vermont cant be LC, because that seems like the obvious Vermont candidate to me

Why do you say that?

Because TH was making a case against LC and how powerful he is (and thus we should lynch him) for days?

RIP TH

Is there any evidence/reason why Vermont cant be LC, because that seems like the obvious Vermont candidate to me

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Just that he has a lot of extra votes, really. If he also has Beatdown, and now the lynch removal, we'd basically be handing him the game if we didn't force his hand a little bit today.

Metalmarsh had the last laugh, taking the Lynch Removal and the Auto-Protect with him by invoking the Take Three prize he bought for $500.

I dont remember this prize, which day/night did he buy this?

Another 3 am deadline...,anyway voting mm

boo wrote:Market Place:



Money is Power (When played, it changes the value of all votes in the present or next lynch. Players with more money have votes worth more, and players with less money have votes worth less). - Starts at $100

Long Con wrote:

HannaK wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hanna, why did you suggest that MP or Bass might be a baddie?

I just pointed to the fact that everyone said they were 'neutral' now but they got the roles of two inactive players which means that there is always a chance one of them got a baddie card (or at least that's how I read boo's explanation about how bass and MP got back into the game), i never said they were bad per se, just that they can be and we should keep that in mind and not cross them of our list because they are replacements, but maybe I am missing something?

I would say that even if they had gotten a baddie card, they would still be neutral, with the win conditions that the host laid out when he subbed them in. I believe you were indeed missing something, Hannah, look back on boo's posts and see where they came back. I don't believe they can be baddies.

Hmm okay yeah I assumed they took over thet roles of the two players but it's not in boo's post so I guess they dont have any property attatched to them then?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hanna, why did you suggest that MP or Bass might be a baddie?

I just pointed to the fact that everyone said they were 'neutral' now but they got the roles of two inactive players which means that there is always a chance one of them got a baddie card (or at least that's how I read boo's explanation about how bass and MP got back into the game), i never said they were bad per se, just that they can be and we should keep that in mind and not cross them of our list because they are replacements, but maybe I am missing something?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Your analysis is astute, MM. I also doubt LC is WW, just based on his behavior.

HannaK, LoRab, and splints would all be good places to look. LoRab has been least active though, so I do wonder if she would have missed more PMs, but I'm not sure.

HannaK has been incredibly blendy, so I think if I had to guess right now, I might guess her. Not sure about splints at all though.

MovingPictures07 wrote:She has just been EXTREMELY blendy and I can't rule her out from being WW.

Well just because you cant rule me out doesnt mean I am WW right?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Dunno yet, but I'm going to look at Hanna now.

I dunno how I am supposed to defend myself when there isnt any evidence except for the fact that I am 'blendy'. I mean, that is my playstyle, especially when I am quite busy as I am right now with the final week of term and stuff. I am not generally the player who re-reads entire pages of threads and comes up with elaborate theories and analyses. Like I said, I keep up with the game (I know you don't know me but I would also not be inclined to miss a kill if I were WW) but I am quite busy and so far every day when I caught up on the thread some good points were raised and I agreed with some and not with others...not sure how that makes me WW.

I guess today's lynch is gonna be harder than the previous two days because we dont have an obvious candidate, but I suggest you look somewhere else if you wanna lynch WW

Voting DF, seems like the obvious choice

Long Con wrote:I think the reds are all dead, and in the hands of the Railroad, the Utility, and Turnip Head.

What makes you think TH has a red property? (he landed on one of their hotels and clearly had to pay so the chance he has a red one is already deminished by 33%)

Just to be clear, it is possible that either MP or bass is bad now right so it's not 100% sure they are 'neutral?' (they just have to trade and stuff to stay alive?)

And I guess DF is a better gamble than trying to lynch WW tonight as he/she may 'forget' to kill again and I honestly dont really know where to look for WW at this point and there is always a chance WW kills someone with the +5 votes anyway (regarding the +5 votes power discussion)

Welcome back bass & MP

So I am confused, TH gets to keep his hotel because he mortaged the other properties he had to the bank in oredr to save himself from bankruptcy?

These poll deadlines really suck, I always have to vote before the discussion heats up At any rate, great lynch result!

I'm sorry I havent been around much, school is being a bitch right now

I havent been posting a lot, but I kept up with the thread and for me LMS groups and baddies are basically the same as both can kill me at the point, but I rather lynch someone with a nightkill first as that has a higher chance of me ending up dead (I can always be very lucky with on which places I land) and the case against SVS is pretty good and it is intersting she only choose one point to which to reply instead of the entire case against her. So yeah, thats where my vote is going

Voting for two inactive players because they survived the hotels indicating money indicating mafia or LMS group and at this point I rather keep some people around who are actually still playing

HannaK wrote:RIP MP

And wow someone really felt like i needed to take 3 turns huh?

So in the Dutch version I always play at home, we never do this, but apparently there is a rule that you get another turn if you roll doubles so you can ignore this post


And yeah I guess following the money is as good a tactic as any at this moment because it results in a high chance you either lynch a powerful member of a LMS group or a baddie, but Long Con, I do not really get your case against TH, it's basically: I know people have reasons not to think he is bad but I keep suspecting him anyway?

RIP MP

And wow someone really felt like i needed to take 3 turns huh?

RIP Keys

Ther are about the same amount of people not voting as there are people voting which really sucks as people draw heat for voting a certain player (which is good because it fosters dicussion) but we have 0 intel on some of the players as they have not posted anything or voted which makes it really hard to play this game well. I mean, what if the +- 10 players who do post and discuss are all pointing at each other for being bad even though all the mafia is within this group of non-posters. Not saying that this is the case per se, but it is worth keeping in mind that there are quite a few players of which we simply do not know anything

MovingPictures07 wrote:

HannaK wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:RIP zeek. That's a bummer.

So it seems Llama had LMS conditions after all, even if newly acquired.... I still think that negates my LC/Llama connection though.

There have been good points on the LC/TH front. I find LC's case much more convincing potentially than Llama's. However... I am having trouble discerning one of two possibilities:

1) LC is dead on; TH is WW and LoRab is railroad.
2) LC is incorrect.

I think my gut still leans towards #2, with TH being a civvie since he seems genuine.

That said, I find it really odd Hanna and Bea come in here and say what they have. If #1 was the case, would either of them be so bold as to assert such a thing? It just seems weird to me given both of them have been very nonopinionated all game. Thoughts here?

I guess because I don't really feel that this is an opinion, it's just good logical reasoning that I hadn't thought of myself, which is why I like expressing that I like this line of thinking. Im generally not very good at coming up with my own suspicions based on completely new information, especially in this game because i havent played with you all before which is also why:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And multiple players keep throwing out how badly they want to catch Reds, but I don't see much baddie hunting from most players considering it's Day 7. I know I haven't been amazing myself, but I feel more people should have opinions of others by now. Hanna, for example, keeps stressing all of this, but never throws out any suspects of her own. It's starting to ping me big time.

Yeah it is true that I dont have many solid suspicions, this is because a) statistically there are wayyy more civvies/LMS groups than baddies at this point so I am careful pointing to people as bad b) because I am generally quite weary with my suspicions because they are often either based on logical reasoning (which is hard) or game style (of which I don't have much information apart from the style of players within this game

Thanks, I understand that. It's definitely an unconventional game as well, and I know you're new. But why would you be "careful" pointing to people as bad? I don't understand that. Are you afraid of ruffling feathers?

I'm afraid of ruffling feathers without any evidence, but also because I love statistics and the fact is, that there are very few 'baddies' out there (and there is a large chance one of them is quite inactive as well, making it really hard to find proper reasons for lynching someone you think is bad). That being said, isn't it true that at least for me, almost everyone is bad now (except for the people who are not in a LMS group) and the most immediate threat I have is I have to pass the reds; which means that for me personally, lynching a reddie might be as valuable as lynching a mafia. That's not to say I dont care about lynching baddies, it just means that because of the way this game is structured, I need to look out for other things as well.

I am not sure how I feel about voting against a player who wants out himself...on the other hand maybe someone found keys without him wanting that to happen and that way I may be lynching a LMS member and I have no real suspicions as to who might be on the red team anyway so I guess that is where my vote will go

MovingPictures07 wrote:RIP zeek. That's a bummer.

So it seems Llama had LMS conditions after all, even if newly acquired.... I still think that negates my LC/Llama connection though.

There have been good points on the LC/TH front. I find LC's case much more convincing potentially than Llama's. However... I am having trouble discerning one of two possibilities:

1) LC is dead on; TH is WW and LoRab is railroad.
2) LC is incorrect.

I think my gut still leans towards #2, with TH being a civvie since he seems genuine.

That said, I find it really odd Hanna and Bea come in here and say what they have. If #1 was the case, would either of them be so bold as to assert such a thing? It just seems weird to me given both of them have been very nonopinionated all game. Thoughts here?

I guess because I don't really feel that this is an opinion, it's just good logical reasoning that I hadn't thought of myself, which is why I like expressing that I like this line of thinking. Im generally not very good at coming up with my own suspicions based on completely new information, especially in this game because i havent played with you all before which is also why:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And multiple players keep throwing out how badly they want to catch Reds, but I don't see much baddie hunting from most players considering it's Day 7. I know I haven't been amazing myself, but I feel more people should have opinions of others by now. Hanna, for example, keeps stressing all of this, but never throws out any suspects of her own. It's starting to ping me big time.

Yeah it is true that I dont have many solid suspicions, this is because a) statistically there are wayyy more civvies/LMS groups than baddies at this point so I am careful pointing to people as bad b) because I am generally quite weary with my suspicions because they are often either based on logical reasoning (which is hard) or game style (of which I don't have much information apart from the style of players within this game

I think LCs case has some valid points but this one:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:One of TH's main suspicions is Lorab. He is really pushing the idea that she's a Railroad. Lorab landed on Electric Company on Day 1. If TH is Water Works, then he's doing this because he knows that Lorab is a Railroad, and he's now moving to take her out. It makes sense to wait a while after learning her role so early, because she would be looking for a Utility coming after her after landing on it. And in the last lynch, TH vs Llama, you would think that Llama would be the first vote, since this was his case... but Lorab is actually the first vote.

In the 'Mexican Standoff' situation of a Uitility knowing a Railroad, and a Railroad knowing they know... the Railroad would probably act fast to eliminate the Utility once they know who it is.

If I KNEW Lorab was a railroad, if I've known since Day 1 as you claim, and IF I'm Water Works... I would have tried to NK Lorab and I would have done it immediately. She probably would have swiftly received the Hedgeowl treatment after surviving. I would NOT tip my hand of being the game's only rolechecker by accusing her straight up, I'm smart enough to know better than that.

I dunno TH defence to this point makes a lot of sense to me so I don't see enough there for TH being a baddie. I still hope for some (more) input from low-posters, apart from that I would be fine with lynching someone from a LMS group as well since (for me personally the reds) they are a big threat to consider as well

RIP Zeek

Quite a few LMS groups now then and I am dangerously close to the reds

RIP Llama, seems I was wrong about you, sorry


$2 on Pennsylvania

As I see no point in randomly picking a low poster, I am gonna vote for llama who's evidence for suspicions I do not find convincing and I feel llama might be bad or at the very least potentially part of a LMS group (and considering there are so few baddies left the chances of lynching someone of a LMS group look much better imo)

keys56000000000 wrote:I agree with most of the points on TH. The only thing that gives me pause is I don't think WW would neccessarily want to acquire the EC after his partner died - it would obviously draw a lot of attention to WW, and it's not like it would allow WW to build houses/hotels.

Long Con. If he isn't a Raily, there's a good chance he's completed his set and is no longer a civilian. At any rate, he's got to go at some point.

The fact that you get a lot more money if you own both EC and WW might be a very good reason to risk drawing attention to yourself by acquiring EC tho

Black Rock wrote:I've voted for Bass on suspicion of being WW. I may change my vote later.

Again, is this suspicion based on anything besides the fact that it is a low-poster? This vote seems so random to me, especially in light of all the TH, llama, LC discussion going on

thellama73 wrote:

HannaK wrote:

thellama73 wrote: I suspect you because you rationalized away the fact that I bought a double search, which I would have had no reason to do if I was already in a team, in order to preserve your theory. I think you just want me gone because my suspicions are dead on.

Could just be you bought it as a defense (which would make even more sense if you were a baddie and had enough money to not really care about the powers you pay for) in the same fashion you might just skip a kill to direct the attention to low posters

Yes, all of that is possible, but at this point you are not evaluate evidence. You are contriving theories to explain away the evidence, which you could do for any player. When all the evidence points to A but you choose to ignore it because of your belief in B, then we might as well never discuss thread evidence at all.

Mmmm I rather think of it as finding multiple ways to evaluate possible evidence (which is not the same as ignoring it)

Anyway I would love to hear more of the low-posters as well but as that is probably not going to happen I'll try to do a bit of a re-read before deciding whom to vote for

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Three different posts came up on my screen; can you quote which one? I presume you mean LCs? Can you quote it rather than linking to it?

It was Llamas I assume.

I did a quick view of post count and who is still on the poll. I'm going to look at the posts of those at the bottom of the list. My gut is looking at Bass for WW right now.

Any specific reasons why your gut is telling you Bass? This seems very random to me

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Please read my case on Turnip Head, Alex, before you condemn my partne-- I mean Long Con, who is definitely not my partner.

I have seen actual baddie teammates do this kinda thing (rabbit & tranq come to mind) to throw people off. People think it's sarcasm, etc. Or know ing Llama, it could be actual sarcasm.

I find this interesting as I used the very same tactic once.

I am redirecting my attention back to llama, the last couple of post llama has made have been really strange especially regarding the rationalization why TH is bad (going back to day 0 posts and everything) also:

thellama73 wrote: I suspect you because you rationalized away the fact that I bought a double search, which I would have had no reason to do if I was already in a team, in order to preserve your theory. I think you just want me gone because my suspicions are dead on.

Could just be you bought it as a defense (which would make even more sense if you were a baddie and had enough money to not really care about the powers you pay for) in the same fashion you might just skip a kill to direct the attention to low posters

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Hannah, any suspects at all?

It's Hanna and my suspects are mostly based on who I don't suspect if that makes sense:

zeek wrote: My concern over LC is based on him definitely having found one partner and houses present on the board. I'd still rather find a Mafia and I don't see those three as baddies.

This. Although I disagree with the fact that I want to lynch a Mafia today because I don't know where to look. I find neither the case against TH or MP very convincing and sure we can look at a low-poster but then what do we do: just randomly pick one and hope we get lucky?

MovingPictures07 wrote: LC and Llama's actions time and time again convince me that they're not acting in the civvies' best interests. They NO U me, Llama is willing to lynch just about anyone that isn't him or LC, and their posts have been full of behavior that fails to satisfy me as genuine.

The only solid reasoning I have right now is that I find the case against LC convincing that he is very likely to be part of a LMS group and as a sole civvie, this is worrying me the most right now, but hey if someone has a really solid case against a player being mafia I am all ears

RIP Epig

Both looking at potential Railroads and reds (although I dont get why they are actioning their houses?) sounds good to me, since I am pretty worried how I am a lone civ and they can both kill me

So that wasn't a surprise, rip Boogs

Turnip Head wrote:

HannaK wrote:I know I am sort of voting against my own self interest here but I honestly believe Boogs responses have been genuine and I rather vote for someone who I am almost certain is in a LMS group rather than someone who I only slightly believe might be bad (plus I don't like how people bandwagon onto someone for the 200 dollar bonus after just a few votes are in)
so I am gonna vote for Long Con. It won't make much difference but hey a man's gotta have a code (or something along those lines anyway)

Why do you say this vote is against your self interests?

Well, as literally the only one not voting for Boogs I don't have the 200 dollar bonus when bidding on the property right, making bidding on it for me rather useless.

I know I am sort of voting against my own self interest here but I honestly believe Boogs responses have been genuine and I rather vote for someone who I am almost certain is in a LMS group rather than someone who I only slightly believe might be bad (plus I don't like how people bandwagon onto someone for the 200 dollar bonus after just a few votes are in)
so I am gonna vote for Long Con. It won't make much difference but hey a man's gotta have a code (or something along those lines anyway)

Epignosis wrote:HannaK, are you a Fallout fan?

as I am currently sitting in front of my laptop wearing a Vault 101 shirt i'm inclined to say yes

Turnip Head wrote:Juliets, Boogs didn't vote for BWT so he didn't get the $200 bonus. What doesn't make sense is why Boogs would bid $10 when he knew the bidding was at $206.

Hanna, the auctioneer can choose whichever offer they prefer. The biggest bid need not be accepted. If I hold onto Short Line, the baddies can kill me and get it for free. If I auction it, I can choose an arbitrary bid, and the baddies won't know who holds the property.

Alright so that means that either the baddies have a chance of getting it (if you happen to accept a badide bid) or they will definitely get it when they kill you...I'd say choose wisely.

Turnip Head wrote:

Boogs wrote:Guys, just to note:
This team starts the game with BTSC. Kills even nights Cannot be NKed by the Railroads. Any player who lands on a utility will have their property learned by the utilities, and if they are ever lynched, the utilities will have $300 applied to a bid on the property.
Does that explain why TH isnt dead with taking railroads and such? I think yes.

What on earth are you trying to say here Boogs? I'm not dead because no ones tried to kill me... How does me being alive make me bad? 0_0

There would be value in this reasoning if the night post would have indicated that someone tried to kill TH and it didnt work (like Hedgeowl), but it didnt.

I think the case against Boogs is valid, but then again I also feel like his defense is genuine...he's changing his opinion a lot I know, but that sounds more like a civvie trying to make sense of things rather than a baddie, who (I assume) would want to appear as consistent as possible

Turnip Head wrote:I don't have a good answer to why I bid $10 instead of $7 Epi. I wish I had bid $7 because maybe I wouldn't be wrapped up in this controversy. I thought $10 would win me the property but I didn't win. I have no reason to lie about this.

I did win the Short Line yesterday and I plan on putting it up for silent auction since it seems like that's a thing.

If Boogs didn't think his bid would win, why did he make it? I think he put a secret vote on BWT.

Silent action means that no one will know who buys it right, not even you? Because if that's the case, then it seems fairly obvious that the people who are gonna bid for Short Line will be bad

@Epi I've probably just been reading too many posts after each other and I can't make sense of everything right now, but how does Boogs bidding patterns relate to him being bad? (I do like the rest of your case though)

Personally, I am beginning to get more worried about seeing these houses appear on the board + that there are already 2 LMS groups than the baddies as the baddies aren't doing so well during the night (+ getting lynched quite a lot) so I feel that as long as we are not sure about whether we are lynching a baddie, we should maybe direct our attention to members of LMS groups

Guys I am so sorry for missing the vote, my sister was in town for the weekend and I thought I would have time to keep up with the game but I couldn't, sorry. From Monday on I should have enough time to really get into the game again tho

Yay for lynching a baddie, again!

Yay good call on BWT! and welcome Bea!
I am not sure why people are inclined to bid on electronic company, are you planning on selling it again as soon as you have it or arent you afraid of getting NKed?

Okay I've been trying to wait around for BWT to come around and answer to the case that's been made but I gotta leave now and so far that case looks the most convincing to me, especially because if (and that already is an if) Long Con is in a set with Llama and another person, they dont have to be a mafia team and especially considering how strong the baddies are right now in terms of money and knowledge, I think lynching (potential) baddies is a priority to lynching potential indysets so I am gonna go ahead and vote for BWT.