The Syndicate

That was very easy for me to keep track off. :P Who killed you, on the other hand...

Anyone else interested to share who they were / what abilities they had / who they rotated to?

@ post to Epig: too big*, someone uploading*, spreadsheets*

fingersplints wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Yes, well, it's easy to understand why two initial Donners who finished the game as the winning bad team and not being lynched either would feel pleased as punch about winning and about how they played. It'd be more interesting to know, for instance, what Antonio feels about rezzing a foreseeable future baddie if he stayed and died as a civ - except if didn't and also lasted in the game long enough to switch to the Forces side, in which case nevermind, you're all winners. Rezzing in this game should have only be used if you lasted all the way through and needed the rezz to work in your favour in case the civs would be close to get underwhelmed. But I suppose mafia is run on sentimentality.

Nice waste of a third bullet there, splints. Sorry I left you with so little.
Regardless of if llama became a baddie, Antonio still rezzed a civvie role back into the game.

If we had known that the abilities switched we probably would have used the rez while we had it. I wouldn't have wanted a rez to fall into baddie hands. That's another of the reasons I was so quick with the civvie kill. Use it before you lose it!

I didn't want to hand my bullets over either (well, surely not all three of them), but as I've said, that logic works less better with other powers such as rezzing, in an exceptional game such as this. Case in point, the rezzed winner.

Roxy said roles and/or abilities will be switched from the start. I honestly didn't expect her to leave me hanging as Levinah, but I think the first Rotation was universally abilities-only, so oh well.

Epignosis wrote:Ricochet, I don't think S~V~S is trying to frustrate you or misunderstand you.

If you want my advice, upload your screenshot to an online photo site (like photobucket), right click the image, and click "view image." Then, copy and paste the image url into your post. Finally, instead of using the url tags, use the img tags. Your image should appear in the thread without anyone having to click a link.

It isn't possible to upload an Excel or Word Doc file to the thread, though. Just the image.

I didn't want to use img tags, because I feared the image might appear to big in the topic (plus, since they're three, the post would be annoying long as well). I just remember seeing someone uploaded Google/Drive spreasheets or something in Film once and I wondered if something like that is possible with Excel ones.

I asked for advice on how to save and upload selections of Excel sheets in a better format that I already did i.e. screenshot images. Glad to clarify that for you the second time, as always.

I was aware of the board capability, because there is no button to upload anything. So no, I couldn't have meant to upload anything directly here, let alone Excel sheets.

Yes, well, it's easy to understand why two initial Donners who finished the game as the winning bad team and not being lynched either would feel pleased as punch about winning and about how they played. It'd be more interesting to know, for instance, what Antonio feels about rezzing a foreseeable future baddie if he stayed and died as a civ - except if didn't and also lasted in the game long enough to switch to the Forces side, in which case nevermind, you're all winners. Rezzing in this game should have only be used if you lasted all the way through and needed the rezz to work in your favour in case the civs would be close to get underwhelmed. But I suppose mafia is run on sentimentality.

Nice waste of a third bullet there, splints. Sorry I left you with so little.

I don't understand, SVS, what am I not supposed to upload or what do you believe I intended to upload in the first place.

I did in fact upload my tables as images on a different site, but I guess links are a always huge no-no for you. Also, I'd like to see an official rule on that, since we're at it. Yes, more specific rules and less "what SVS wants and gets" would be nice.

Roxy wrote:
Congratulations to the winners - Unforeseen Forces!

TySlayer (Original)

Roxy wrote: Llama has been killed on accident by Levinah Murphy. He was Jacob Donner.

Roxy wrote: thellama73 was found and saved by Antonio.

Roxy wrote: Congratulations to the winners - Unforeseen Forces!

thellama73 (Third Rotation)

Lol. Ok.

Thanks for a very interesting game and for giving it your best, Roxy. Awful playing, though.

This is all I could make sense of (which, frankly, isn't much). I have no idea when Rotation 4 happened.
http://postimg.org/gallery/1npnlxs6w/

Feel free to reveal who you were in each Rotation, what abilities in each Rotation or what else you know and I'll update.
Also, how to best save and upload Excel selections, advice please.

You're welcome, rezz please.

It's Night and there is a night poll.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rezz please.

Well, I certainly know who I'd like to lose this tie.

Welp. So close, though, to winning a game with only 8 posts. *fake tears*

Long Con wrote: No, seriously, do you have them or not?

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Yes.

And to anticipate the next question: No.

Long Con wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Long Con wrote:I don't suppose anyone has the voting records for the last lynch?[/dead]

I do.
Can I see them please?

Rezz first.

Long Con wrote:I don't suppose anyone has the voting records for the last lynch?

I do.

S~V~S wrote:Too late it's gone, and was when i went to catch it after I posted

[ded]I'm sure other civs here will be helpful with that, out of a sense of responsability. [/ded]

FZ. wrote: There's only one person who could have been Hunger, and that's Russ. Since it appeared like he had some people defending him, it left only you

*sigh*

Good luck with the genius case maker.

Ricochet wrote:I did a lot of posts, too, where do I fit?

Dead, it seems.

I did a lot of posts, too, where do I fit?

FZ. wrote:
fingersplints wrote:That's pretty standard posting for all the people you mentioned.
Splints, how please are you with the new rotation outcome?
Same question to Rico

Pleased.

Going with an E, this time. Still have no idea of the letter/number polls' purposes, but I'll now try to make a five-letter word starting from the letter I was assigned at the beginning. So please don't lynch or kill me until N6/D7, so that I can at least finish my word, ok?

I know it's now a one-day Night phase, but I have a very important RL project to finish this week and it'll probably be best for me (especially given what a complete and crazy distraction this D2 was for me, specifically) to be away from Mafia today (February 10), perhaps even completely off it.

Dance party? I'd go more for something in the vein of Rite of Spring.

Whoa!

And time!

Here is the poll:

I don't understand what you mean. I asked for people's reasoning for which Trice would be bad, other than their obvious discontent with him gunning LC hard.

I notice the vote on Trice is getting momentum and I can't see what the charges on him for D2 are, besides that he suspects LC for not backing up his suspicions and for acting nonchalantly, which to me reads like a pretty genuine, two-day long suspicion on LC. I can understand LC voting him for that, I can understand both BR and FZ defend LC's behaviour as not that much of a deal, but otherwise... what else is there? This screams late lynch train to me and I'm not on board with it.

Why points you to Murphy having only one kill left, FZ.?

FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:How about you both move it, LC and Rico?
I said earlier LC's dodgy manners probably wouldn't change my D1 vote for him. So I'm fine.
Clearly, you're not going to listen to those defending him

I'm afraid of defending him, in case he flips bad.

On a more serious note: if he's just a jester, just like Epignosis was, i.e. he is Wasatch or a protected civ, then the outcome of today's lynch doesn't matter. Wait, it does. I'll be lunched, then. So I'll add self-preservation on my reasons, too, at least right now.

thellama73 wrote:Does my vote still count?

Yes. I suppose Murphy can probably just use his kill at any time of a day/night, not necessarily at the end of them.

FZ. wrote:How about you both move it, LC and Rico?

I said earlier LC's dodgy manners probably wouldn't change my D1 vote for him. So I'm fine.

If it were up to me, I'd rather you guys would stay at or lynch LC from the two of us.

Not in this games. The civ and bad are clear teams. Murphy is just a civillian that has three kills as a power.

The Reeds can rezz.

Yeah, I think I'll switch to LC now.

Black Rock wrote:Has anyone considered that LC is just having fun? I doubt he's bad, he's playing like he has nothing to hide.

I just finished pages of reading, I just read my other game as well. I need to put my thoughts together. Plus I'm trying to type with a two year old on my lap banging the keyboard

I think the players can find it hard to believe that, given that Epig acted that way and turned out to be a baddie.

They can't even believe me not voting Epig doesn't make me bad.

Actually, scratch that. He said something the other day. My bad.

To be noted, Snowman changed his vote to LC with even less reason than voting me in the first place. The priviledges of having amnesty, I presume...

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok so I'm voting Ricochet because I don't see anything that sticks out more to me.

Eloquent enough reasoning.

thellama73 wrote:
Ricochet wrote: Didn't you hear? Making others believe you are not bad doesn't work in Mafia.
I'm never giving you helpful advice again.

Have fun twisting in the wind.

I never considered you giving me any, to be honest.

Not much of a Weather out there.

FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I counted two actually, but unfortunately that does not get me off the hook.
I'd expect people who know a civ is getting lynched to try harder than that

I don't believe blatant defending is the key to teammateship or detecting teams at all, but I'm currently getting lunched for that, so...

I counted two actually, but unfortunately that does not get me off the hook.

Zomberella12 wrote:@ Rico - If you vote for Llama you are more than likely voting for a civ. You are making it hard for us to believe that you aren't bad when you do that. I have made a very good case for LC and Russ, and TySlayer voted for you for no reason. If you are really good, why add flame to the fire by voting for Llama?

Didn't you hear? Making others believe you are not bad doesn't work in Mafia.

Follow your case, whatever that is. I did that on D1 and look where I am now.

Zomberella12 wrote:
@FZ - thank you for your analysis of how hard it is to make a real case in this game without being accused of some sort of bad sportsmanship. However, I will do my best to soldier on and find the bad guys wherever they may be! Watch out Wasatch, Hunger and GSLD - I'm looking your way!!

I'm right here, though, aren't I?

So the only problematic moment I see is when FZ first asked about the state of votes. As I've said, I've been active only an hour or so later, but let's just assume the timespan is short enough to include me, along Llama, MM and SVS, among the four players who did not reply one bit to FZ's concerns. But, I assume I'll have to take the lunch for that, since it's a frequent scenario in this day's trial against me.

I do remember the discussions and I've often replied to it.

I know I'm not doing myself any favor by the following analysis, instead of letting SVS actually prove I wasn't helpful and that it's a intentional sign of baddieness, but I've read back and here is the transcript of the thoughts or confusions expressed in the thread specifically about the D1 lunch result. I'll also mention when I have been active and what have I done or not to reply to those issues.

DAY 1 ENDS - NO LUNCH
MP - has theory on no lunch situation
NINJ - confused, but has a few thoughts thoughts
--------me, active, with my first active answer: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=112117#p112117
EPIG rebuttal to MP's theory
ZOMB - now-infamous "snapshot" question
--------me - now-infamous "yes" answer
--------(to be noted: SVS - replies within a minute, about the numbers poll, doesn't react one bit to me saying I have snapshot; nobody else does / demands the snapshot, Zomberella included)
ZOMB - replies to my first active answer
(TRICE - a bit of reaction to what's happened overall, but not clear if specifically to the lunch results or not)
LLAMA - reaction to the lunch result
FZ - reaction to the lunch result, questions state of votes
--------(no answer from the thread. players active at that time: Llama, MM, SVS)
--------I'm only active one hour later, only respond to infodumping debate
ZOMB - theories on how the lunch was prevented
--------(SVS reply. Doesn't agree with every point, but appreciates the input)
FZ - asks again about the tie results
--------receives answers from: fingersplints, Llama, rebuttal from Epignosis, ensuing bant between SVS and Epignosis
FZ - reply to Epignosis, still confused
ZOMB - actively questions if Llama really has no idea what happened in the lynch
--------me, active: only reply to banter about Epignosis's invincibility / chance of secrets

EPIG and MM are killed. NIGHT 1 ENDS

MP & ZOMB - more talks re: D1 lunch theory

(...later...)

TRICE - asks for resolution on lunch theory
--------ZOMB - offers input
--------TRICE reply
--------me active, offer input (to be noted: this is my post that will later pinge SVS)
--------FINGERS - offers input, remembers only a partial tally
--------RICO - offers screenshot as proof of final tally

BOOM! Problems.

S~V~S wrote:You did not see all the posts asking if it were a tie or not, etc?

And if there were not role changes I might agree with you, but there are role changes. And I believe Rox clarified "in your wagon train" to mean within your group but it is possible I misremember.

Questions with questions, again. Please. Specify.

You do misremember, that was about George Donner's protection powers.

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