I took (and, in the spirit of debate, still take) issue with that whole event -- whilst admittedly hypocritical, since at first I did cheer at my own team benefitting from a successful roll:Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:42 pm -events in play were sometimes cool, sometimes a bust. Miraculously, only two people in the entire game utilized the breath event on D2: WWA and Rico.
People just stopped responding to the Vocaroo event, which blows my mind, because the inference was free vig shots. I had 2 more ready to go, but people stopped guessing after the 4th was posted.
- handing out not one, but six vig shots, is bit much for a gamestate that featured variation in prizes, as well as instilled a normal flow of proper mafia-playing; nanookian-styled shootout / bloodbath chaos is better dealt earlier than later;
- the fail-odds / gamble factor was far less nuanced, balanced than previous events (the gallery biddings), d2 or d3 rolls were relatively high odds for deaths going through: nutella received a flip coin just for saying something in a microphone; feels bad
- spectators being involved, feels bad; spectators should do just that, spectate; the example is entirely contextual, but it was a pain to lose a teammate because JJJ got up from a chair, daydreaming if eating peanuts is deterministic, flipped a coin and enabled nutella's kill
- in the context of D5 having put in perspective the soft-lock issue, six vig shots made it even more egregious; it matters less that only 4 shots were offered and only 2 worked, the full scope was for 6 out of 7-8 Easterners to be targeted for execution (instead of hunted via proper mafia), 4 cornered wolves among them - and I think it was proven right that nobody considered Westerners for flips at all (not even Windward, though it would have been more advantageous for her to start cleaning up on West aisle)
I believe symmetrizing and balancing proved the paradox and broken factor in itself. Severance factioning + multiball simply does not / did not work.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:42 pm -this is an unfortunate aspect, and one we didn’t fully anticipate. In our balance, we structured it to be mostly symmetrical, but not entirely. We contemplated having a 3 person and a 4 person mafia, and making them more powerful. While we added a 3rd indie just to create more asymmetry, because the 3rd indie, leetic, was never revealed, everything up to that point looked perfectly even. So hindsight, it was all guesswork based on assumptions that the group started down the road of shoring up East/west. It also didn’t help Wilgy/windward that leetic was leading that charge, but he was with his own agenda.
It is common sense to expect gamemakers to seek ideal-as-possible balance, doubly so given such distinguished and experienced gamemakers, triply so given a Champs game. Hence, after sufficient flips (unfortunately my own), common sense started dictating that, in very high likelihood, the camps were split. I myself would have preached this solve as town, just like I vented in light of it as wolf in dead chat. Half of Delta’s final solve was just that.
And I believe the record will reflect, despite game reaching f3, wolves surviving very last on the PoE board, and some doubt creeping in (Epignosis’ “play against hosts” argument), that Westerners were no longer hunted and lynched for the entire second half.
This obviously benefitted the rogue killer. And created a grueling ask of wolves to endure, clean up via kills and outlast.
I don’t recall Alison's role, but isn't this contradicting the wolves' entire win con? Traditionally, if F2 is wolf/town, wolf has "achieved parity" and the last town is no longer "a threat".Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:42 pm -if WWA had shot leetic last night instead of Epi, she would have been in an F2 with Delta, and town would have WON. This is because Alison, who died very early in the game, was the tie breaker role. She ordered everyone by alphabetical order, EXCEPT WWA and Princess Abigail were at the top of the list of suspicions, so if WWA was ever in a tie breaker situation, she was doomed.
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I write all of this with due courtesy. We can go private with it, if it’s preferable, though I don’t have much else to inquire and seek to move on. Again, I’m sure it’s an inadvertent flaw, still it was regrettable and frustrating to witness half the team being cornered and half of town receiving no more pressure.
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