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by Ricochet
Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:43 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
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thellama73 wrote:How did Shakespeare in Love win best picture? Must have been a slow year.
Of course it wasn't. There was Saving Private Ryan and The Thin Red Line in the BP nominees alone.

There was American History X, The Big Lebowski, Aronofsky's Pi, Rushmore, The Truman Show, Velvet Goldmine, Mulan.

There was Kusturica's Black Cat, White Cat, Vinterberg's Festen, Gilliam's Fear and Loathing in Last Vegas, Tykwer's Run Lola Run, The Red Violin, the original Ringu, Taxi

A Best Picture statuette is not a unit measure for worth.
by Ricochet
Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:21 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

G-Man wrote:
I don't know if I can agree with you on Gladiator. Sometimes the Academy just falls in love with a spectacle (didn't hurt to appease the masses either). What did it do for film? It didn't bring back sword and sandals flicks and CGI was already on the rise. Is it the notion that popular entertainment can also be artistically executed?

As for American Beauty, I was not a fan early on. It's amusing more so than ground-breaking for me. It owes a lot of it's hip, sarcastic, and self-deprecating stylings to Quentin Tarantino and the early 90s indie film renaissance. In some ways, it's like Pulp Fiction's intentionally hip construct meets suburbia.
If anything, your arguments do tend to prove there is a crevasse between popularity and film impact, because I weighed more on the former when bringing these two up. I'm more of an AmBeaut fan that you, it seems. I recall its execution (say pace and screenplay) of its dry, comical, "pulpy" as you say essence being noteworthy.
by Ricochet
Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:18 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

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I take back my interpretation of Beatty. Saw this video (Facebook only?) and it appears he was a bit of a douche, after all, lol.
by Ricochet
Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:47 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
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Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King? Unless you want to question the "impact on film" part. :p

One could argue even Gladiator or American Beauty - and they both happened in successive years.
by Ricochet
Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:58 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
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I have the impression that, with a bit more presence of mind, Beatty could have perhaps set things right - albeit still adding a few more seconds to an awkward interruption of an otherwise standard award call. He literally hesitated a lot there, but I think he then reached out to Faye, she must have interpreted as being let to announce it and went "LA LA LAND", lol. Murky stuff to disseminate, anyway.

Of course one can feel bad about the winners and losers involved during that minute, but a stunt is still a stunt, even if they weren't part of it. If anything, this has dispelled a bit my belief that these wins are well known in advance, by the winners.

I don't think Best Picture movies in the collective memory of the common moviegoers is a much relevant topic - especially given how much more campaigning through the process of nominations and awards weighs in. Is Spotlight from last year remembered, even though it was awarded "properly"? [/i]If the former were true, the real winner of the night would then be Suicide Squad, lol. Piece of utter crap, was seen by millions of people, now has an Oscar. Moonlight surely did its fair share of lobbying to push ahead during the last stretch, plus as far as interested cinephiles are concerned, it has toured and maybe still will tour many festivals.
by Ricochet
Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:07 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
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Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

6/12 guessed right, although I can't really complain about most of my fantasy picks proving right either. :)

Denzel had some tears showing there, which is quite rare to see. To my living memory, only Bill Murray looked miffed about not getting it (for Lost in Translation) and I remember Joaquin Phoenix having once had a "who even cares man, I'm not going to take it" .gif moment. But to be honest, I still wouldn't have picked him.

Should've seen that screenplay nod flying towards Manchester, oh well. Should've definitely seen that Best Picture and Adapted sync would happen, as it often does.

The only award I find a travesty out of this entire business is the Original Score. Seconded probably by Best Actress. Again, I did not mind Stone's input in Bla Bla Bland, but when you reflect on it, it came nowhere close to Portman's work on her character and Huppert's sheer flair.

Lastly, quite a stunt there at the end. Quite a stunt. Moonlight getting it would have rubbed it in anyway, but I guess they decided to spice up the moment, for once.
by Ricochet
Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:35 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

It is not, only Best Song.
by Ricochet
Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:14 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
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Re: Academy Award nominees

With two days to go, I'll go ahead and put a firm call on both my preferences and predictions for this thing.
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Should win
Will win
Best Picture
Moonlight
La La Land
Directing
Barry Jenkins
Damien Chazelle
Best Actor in a Leading Role
Casey Affleck
hmm, I can genuinely smell a Denzel grab
Best Actress in a Leading Role
Isabelle Huppert
Emma Stone :(
Best Actor in a Supporting Role
Mahershala Ali
still the most volatile, unpredictable category by nature, but hopefully Mahershala Ali
Best Actress in a Supporting Role
Viola Davis
Viola Davis
Best Animated Film
idc
idc
Best Adapted Screenplay
ugh, toughie. Fences, I guess
Fences
Best Original Screenplay
lol, The Lobster
La La Carp
Best Cinematography
Silence
La La Land
Documentary (Feature)
N/A
O.J.
Best Foreign Language
The Salesman
Toni Erdmann
Best Original Score
Jackie
La La Land
by Ricochet
Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:35 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

Dunno why I remembered Viola Davis having won an Oscar before. Probably mixed her up with Octavia Spencer from The Help. Anyway, I can now fully endorse her receiving it. I mean, it's still a check-all-boxes kind of performance, still the other four don't come even close to adequate contention. Both her and, ironically, Spencer yet again, are the only nominees doing a full, fleshed out role in their movies.
by Ricochet
Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:40 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

Y u no post in the movies thread regularly? :evileye:
by Ricochet
Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:25 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

Good stuff, timmer, we're much on the same side, except at Michelle Williams is bad in Manchester (why), Manchester being worthy (ech), kid in Manchester being good (ech).

If you like Huppert, please track down L'avenir (Things to Come). I pretty much don't believe, chance-wise, in her getting the Oscar, because older better foreigner actresses have been acknowledged in the past years, but never awarded (Emmanuelle Riva in Amour, Charlotte Rampling in 45 Years).
by Ricochet
Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:24 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

Holy crap, I didn't realize Captain Fantastic was directed by the actor who plays Gavin Belson in Silicon Valley... XD
by Ricochet
Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:20 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

Mongoose wrote:Rico - Why didn't you like Captain Fantastic? Too quirky and cloying for its own good?
No scene that I can recall from it, having seen it, what, two months ago or so, did not make me cringe. At its best, it made me chuckle that this could be Matt's adoptive family.
Mongoose wrote:Being an obsessee of Melancholywood, I was happy to see that two Scandinavian films made the cut for Foreign Film this year!
Doesn't a Scandinavian movie make the cut most of the times, anyway?

Either that or a war movie. Gotta have them war movies.
by Ricochet
Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:48 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

Mkay, fixed the green and yellow, hopefully. Aren't they traditionally used in rainbow lists, though? Isn't that normal yellow?

Light skin ftl, you know it's true. :p Except for work-related scheming, I guess.

No wait.

Work ftl. :grin:
timmer wrote:Glad to see you have Capt. Barftastic in red. Any other color, you n me'd have had some words ;)

I'll post some thoughts soon, but I've still got a few big contenders to catch up to...
Looking forward to, anytime.
by Ricochet
Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:31 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

While I still have a few more movies to talk about over in the films thread, I checked again the nominations' list and it appears I'm all done with the major contenders, except for animation (where I never tend to go into that much detail) and foreign (where I don't know anything about 3 of the 5 nominations and have no idea how they ended up on the list). So I figured I should get this prediction game done now and move on.

Best Picture
Arrival - substantial and flawed in its own package, nevertheless the brainiest and least Oscar pandering of this bunch, but it would also feel as a cheap verdict to say this should get it; I'm quite indifferent to its stakes in this situation
Fences - not even capable to look more like a movie than a theater play, let alone pose qualities of a great movie
Hacksaw Ridge - quite Oscarbaity, from double genre perspective: biopic and war
Hell or High Water - even this seems like the usual hardboiled, Southern-flavored movie that tends to get nominated once in a while, though still rather decent on its own merits
Hidden Figures - cute
La La Land - supreme boner guaranteed among the Academy's ranks
Lion - Weinstein coupon written all over it
Manchester by the Sea - not that Oscarbaity, I'd say, although neither atypical for this kind of chagrin drama to meet the basic standards for Oscar nods
Moonlight - I guess this counts

Who will win: La La Land. Not excluding Moonlight, but not feeling the call as close as it's made out to be.
Who should win: Not La La Land. Literally too indifferent to process any further than this.

Actor, Leading
Casey Affleck, Manchester by the Sea - quite good, but not spearheading
Andrew Garfield, Hacksaw Ridge - both honorable and nearly going overboard with it, but overall, appreciable and creditable
Ryan Gosling, La La Land - no
Viggo Mortensen, Captain Fantastic - genuinely surprised this had traction not only for the Globes, but the Oscars as well; nothing about the performance (or the film) moved me personally, plus Viggo doesn't need this nomination to prove how versatile, idiosyncratic actor he can be, because all his other movies that proved that hardly ever got close to "Academy standards"
Denzel Washington, Fences - most Oscarbaity of the five, tbh, and it all has to do with Denzel being at helm of this movie's entire vision; you can therefore almost feel that he's filming himself deliver big lines and act the shit out of it

Who will win: hopefully not Gosling. That leaves Affleck in the lead and Denzel for possible snub. I don't care much.
Who should win: uhmmm, yeah, whateves, let's go with Affleck

Actress, Leading
Isabelle Huppert, Elle - terrific
Ruth Negga, Loving - very poised, rafined, although it didn't move me that much personally
Natalie Portman, Jackie - extensive, dedicated work; totally fine with this performance
Emma Stone, La La Land - I liked her in it, I truly did
Meryl Streep, Florence Foster Jenkins - did not watch, I do not need intentional cringe in my cup of tea; it's her 300th nomination and, frankly, it sounds a bit ridiculous

Who will win: Was sure Portman was the lead, but then Huppert and Stone split the Globes' categories. Stone?
Who should win: Huppert

Actor, Supporting
Mahershala Ali, Moonlight - there is no performance in this movie that stands out as a solo recital, so I cannot act convinced that Ali's performance counts as a standout
Jeff Bridges, Hell or High Water - I can see how he got here, but nah
Lucas Hedges, Manchester by the Sea - pushing move to cover almost all the acting slots from this movie; besides, not only is this performance not remarkable in any particular way, I've caught some buzz that ipretty questionable as child acting performance altogether
Dev Patel, Lion - bait and illogical... how is this supporting? he's the bloody PROTAGONIST of the movie
Michael Shannon, Nocturnal Animals - moreover surprised it wasn't Aaron Taylor-Johnson

Who will win: since I've been so waffly thus far, I'll place a real bet and say Ali
Who should win: Shannon is the only actor from this list I'd support, and even in his case I commented that it might have been the second best pick from the movie

Actress, Supporting
Viola Davis, Fences - deserved and expected, but more in the sense that she chewed quite hard on it
Naomie Harris, Moonlight - same issue with singling out performances as over in Supporting Actor, and here Harris is even more meteoric than Ali
Nicole Kidman, Lion - give me a break
Octavia Spencer, Hidden Figures - not surprised, but indifferent
Michelle Williams, Manchester by the Sea - Oscar nod for a scene rather than a movie-long performance, but said scene is arguably notable; fine with this, but not over the moon about it

Who will win: Davis
Who should win: I find this list pretty meh. Davis.

Directing
Denis Villeneuve, Arrival - as I've said in the Picture category, this nomination provoked less satisfaction for me than expected; Villeneuve was not even looked for Prisoners or Sicario and yet I'm now supposed to believe that this elevated him to true Academy consideration? the guy is in a league of his own already, so this doesn't mean that much when you think about it
Mel Gibson, Hacksaw Ridge - no doubt did everything textbook to bait the nomination
Damien Chazelle, La La Land - duh
Kenneth Lonergan, Manchester by the Sea - his intense vision of drama blues makes the Picture - Directing combo indispensable, so duh #2
Barry Jenkins, Moonlight - duh #3

Who will win: I'd say Chazelle, given the scale of what he crafted, however arguable or misguided
Who should win: Given instead the nuance and depth of what was crafted, I'd say Jenkins.

And, just like last year, a rainbow list of every nominated movie (any category) that I've seen. Color scheme: quite good, good, meh, hollywood, seriously no

The Lobster
The Salesman
Arrival

Elle
Moonlight
Jackie
Silence
Toni Erdmann
Hell or High Water

Fire at Sea (Fuoccoamare)
Kubo and the Two Strings
Manchester by the Sea
Zootopia
Loving

La La Land
Star Trek: Beyond
Hidden Figures
Fences
Doctor Strange
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

Nocturnal Animals
Captain Fantastic
Lion
13 Hours: Secret Soldiers of Benghazi
Suicide Squad


--- haven't seen (relevant categories, alphabetical)

13th
20th Century Woman
A Man Called Ove
I Am Not Your Negro
Land of Mine
Life, Animated
Moana
My Life as a Zucchini
O.J. Made in America
Passengers
The Red Turtle
Tanna
by Ricochet
Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:42 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

I just love how every single winner from Mad Max witnesses or Morricone to Mark Rylance (who gave a very dignified speech otherwise) or Innaritu (who was barely able to cram his agenda talk into one minute) was loudly played off, except for Leo, who spent like 4 minutes up there without even so much as a Walkyrie cry in the distance. Yeah, this was rehearsed as hell.
by Ricochet
Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:22 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
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Who are you? Ech. :omg: :omg: :omg:

also Im not contrarian. I just happen to be right.
by Ricochet
Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:16 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
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I will now try to rank every nominated movie that I've seen, regardless of what they've been nominated for, whilst also rainbowing them in very good, good, meh, hollywood, seriously no. As you can tell, it won't be a very riveting roster. My top 2015 would be quite a whole different affair, in which I wouldn't even have 10 movies, at this point.

45 Years
Sicario

Mustang
Mad Max: Fury Road
Spotlight
Carol
Ex Machina (special upgrade, but a reminder that its third act is utter fail)

Creed
Inside Out
Brooklyn
Room
Youth

The Revenant
The Big Short
Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Steve Jobs
The Martian

Joy
The Hateful Eight
Bridge of Spies
Spectre
Trumbo
The Danish Girl

--- haven't seen (relevant categories, alphabetical)

A War (Krigen) [have it on my watchlist, though]
Boy & The World
Cartel Land
Embrace of the Serpent
Shaun the Sheep Movie
Son of Saul [arrgh]
Straight Outta Compton
The Look of Silence [arrgh]
Theeb
What Happened, Miss Simone
When Marnie Was Here
Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom
World of Tomorrow [arrgh]
by Ricochet
Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:12 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
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Re: Academy Award nominees

G-Man wrote:
S~V~S wrote:So you feel there is no artistic merit in Leo getting raped by a bear?
Bear rape works individually for Best Actor but collectively for Best Picture? I'm not so sure. Then again, the director is almost a shoe-in to win the Oscar after the DGA's. Best Actor plus Best Director momentum could do the trick. We'll see what the remaining guilds go for.
That's a tricky subject, because same Director winning the Oscar, plus Best Picture two years in a row has never happened.
Director winning Best Picture as well or the other way around can be hit and miss, too.
Oscar Best Picture without a Screenplay nomination (which The Revenant would not have, if it'd win, but Spotlight would) has also never happened, apparently.

These are Oscar shenanigans on paper, but if there's anything, the Academy love their shenanigans when it comes to these two picks.
by Ricochet
Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:22 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
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Re: Academy Award nominees

:beer: There's a thread somewhere in this section for newly seen films, I usually update it, except that the past month I was either too busy to watch new stuff or watched new stuff but didn't have time to write the updates (and now that the mood is gone, don't feel like returning either).
by Ricochet
Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:47 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
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There's an even better one, but couldn't find it back then.

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by Ricochet
Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:46 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Academy Award nominees
Replies: 64
Views: 3853

Re: Academy Award nominees

Oh, such a thread exists?

It's a very, very dull Oscars year and roster, all the nominated movies being almost textbook made for such awards. In the past years, I always found time to (procrastinate) absurdly tape the show and watch it in the morning, but I barely feel compelled anymore, because it will surely prove a four-hour drag with predictable winners and such.

That being said, I still love commenting on movies, so here goes:

Best Picture

The Big Short is a refreshing, if cynical take on the subject, but let's not kid ourselves, it's just a sassy sort of movie with no actual outstanding virtues. Even American Hustle had something more to it, in previous years, in the same sort of genre.

Bridge of Spies has no place in the category, it's a very tired by-the-trope Spielberg movie, with the exception of Mark Rylance's supporting performance. Its nomination is pure Academy spielbergjerk.

Brooklyn is a fine period piece drama, almost surprisingly so, until its third act falls on its nose. No chance in this category.

Mad Max: Fury Road. Heh, hell of a stunner, but I anticipate it will only take home technical awards. Maybe even splitting those with The Revenant or Star Wars, because since Lord of the Rings took 11 freaking statues, the Academy "learned" its lesson by not awarding movies more than 3 or 4 a piece ever again. Geez.

The Martian is cool. Bit of a stretch to call it oscarworthy, though.

The Revenant is high-on-drugs cinematic achievement, but the mix of bloody B-story and highbrow Malick meets Herzog navalgazing philosophy is artificial, pompous and unsatisfying. I still see it as a possible winner, but I would personally not give it the award.

Room. Would have worked better as an European arthouse shocker, without the (sorry to say it, but) American-style lax drama style. Some 20 minutes in this actual movie are of that caliber, but the rest is pretty standard. No chance.

Spotlight, hardly memorable-two-years-from-now alike, let alone up there with stuff like All the President's Men or Network, but I think I'd be ok with this one getting the Oscar. Its structure and script are tight, the ensemble cast doesn't leak any individual bravado, it's not really an anti-cleric movie as much as a view on modern journalism, human ethics and such. No problem with this one winning, if it'll happen.

Best Actor

Haven't seen Cranston, but doubt he's that good. Haven't seen Fassbender and don't feel like it. Damon's nomination is honorable for him. Redmayne is pure Oscarbait. Leo is just as well, but whatever, they should just end this Leo-Oscar meme already.

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Oh wait, so technically SVS should get an Oscar!!

Best Actress

Rooney Mara is not supporting in Carol, so my winner is not nominated. If Brie Larson will win, it's not really worthy. I don't think Blanchett will win and it's also not that worthy. I don't want Lawrence to win. "Sersha" won't win. Haven't seen Rampling, but I hear 45 Years is a stunner.

Actor, supporting

Rylance for Bridge of Spies. Wasn't that wowed by Hardy in Revenant - mostly because the movie was so fragmented, it kept jumping from his story to Leo's back and forth, it completely pulled me out of it!, but he's better than Leo, so lol. Bale, Ruffalo, Stallone, just show yourselves out. Won't be surprised one bit if Stallone wins.

Actress, supporting

Unnecessary nomination for a Spotlight actor/actress notwithstanding, this is probably the best of the four. Rooney Mara is not supporting, but an Oscar her way would be nice. Wouldn't mind Leigh, either, only shining light in Tarantino's sad piece of film. Vikander is ok, but errr not feeling it. Didn't see Winslet, don't want her to win anyway.

Best Animated

It's going to be Inside Out, why even bother. I wasn't even knocked over by Anomalisa, in order to root for an underdog or something.

Cinematography

Contrary to expectations, I'd actually give it to Roger Deakins for Sicario. That man hasn't won in 16 nominations! But probably Lubezky will take it. No fault there.

Directing

I'd give it to George Miller. What? His movie is the only one who would have completely flopped in the hands of another, lesser craftsman. It's called Achievement in Directing, isn't it? This is by far an actual achievement. The rest are simply tied with the movies themselves being Oscarworthy and are not worthy of a statuette. Not that it was best ever or anything, but seriously, how can you snub Todd Haynes? How?

Documentary

Only saw Amy, which was real meh. Should see The Look of Silence, the follow-up to The Act of Killing, which was huge. Huuuuge. Don't care about the category though, whatever wins, wins.

Best Foreign

Haven't seen any of those! Anyway, the Oscars are hardly the most reliable indicator of foreign cinema accolades. Son of Saul could win it, and I sure hope that movie is worth its praise, upon viewing it (eventually).

Original Score

Ugh, this is actually a pretty weak roster. Morricone never won? Yeah, probably him.

Adapted Screenplay: ugh, what am I supposed to choose here. Maybe Brooklyn will get a lone award, here?

Original Screenplay: Spotlight.. If Inside Out is "original", so is copypasta. Ex Machina is a nice surprise, except Alex Garland can't into third acts. Not one bit, bro, sorry.

Technicals: don't care.

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