The Syndicate

Me next, then.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Signed, sealed, and delivered. Go civs (and Indys)!

Oooh now you're an Indy!

God help us all.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:ONE MINUTE. I WANNA DIE.
You died 11 days ago you hollow-eyed skeleton.

No I wanna die and never read the defeat post in this game, if that'll be the case.

ONE MINUTE. I WANNA DIE.

And back on here again!

She's signaling!

Switched to FZ.

Missed it, too.

Let's CFD MM.

I should have listened to the old man...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
But why vote Sorsha to vote herself if FZ is suspicious of Matt coming into the day phase?

FZ targeted Matt + bea redirected FZ = FZ targeted Sorsha?

But still, how would then FZ be informed her new target ended up being Sorsha.

That line from FZ. just breaks my effing brain.

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If Sorsha is forced to vote herself, how could FZ. have targeted you with extra weight vote?

If she targeted you with extra weight vote, how could she have forced Sorsha to vote herself?

How did Sorsha get silenced, either way? Did she get silenced?

If Sorsha is forced by FZ to vote herself, how can FZ have a civvie role? Doesn't a forcer usually imply baddie shenanigans?

How did Matt arrive at the opposite conclusion that the tally is actually 1:1, your vote not withstanding.

NOTHING.
MAKES.
FUCKING.
SENSE.

Enjoy your decision. Nobody will hate you for it, if it's the losing one.

More than me, I mean. :hollowsanseyes:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I still don't get how FZ mentioned what Sorsha would do. HOW could she have both vote coersion and vote manipulation in her role?? I was ready to say Sorsha is faking a move with the self-vote, yet again, but FZ.'s post throws that completely in the air.
It looks like that post was a reaction to Matt voting FZ. I'm not sure it's as foreboding as you are reading it.
Really?

If that chain of reaction is true, then she said "Now Sorsha will come and vote for herself."

Not "Sorsha came and voted for herself."
She said "Sorsha can come in and vote for herself". A slight difference.

Why would Sorsha "come in" and choose to "vote for herself", if she was leading 2-1, before voting?

Also, if you mean "extra" weight, then I guess FZ is not Gale after all, but Red (vote doubler) or whatever the first bird in that setup was.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Talk it through with Matt. Get some sense into him, like for instance to stop tunneling on one fucking detail in the entire fucking game.

linki: What's your conclusion, then? Wasn't D11 3-2 Mac vs. Matt, with your vote on Mac?

Tell me how FZ. can be bad in what she implied there, by asking you NOT to switch from Mac. Aka confirmed MacBaddie.
You said FZ said "Please don't save my teamie"

I don't think that's true, because I just don't think FZ is Mac's teamie. I agree with the other parts you said, that it is a point in her favor, especially since I can verify.

Also, I actually think that bea may have targeted FZ last night, because my vote carries some weight again today.

It does? Then what the hell is Matt on about?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I still don't get how FZ mentioned what Sorsha would do. HOW could she have both vote coersion and vote manipulation in her role?? I was ready to say Sorsha is faking a move with the self-vote, yet again, but FZ.'s post throws that completely in the air.
It looks like that post was a reaction to Matt voting FZ. I'm not sure it's as foreboding as you are reading it.

Really?

If that chain of reaction is true, then she said "Now Sorsha will come and vote for herself."

Not "Sorsha came and voted for herself."

I still don't get how FZ mentioned what Sorsha would do. HOW could she have both vote coersion and vote manipulation in her role?? I was ready to say Sorsha is faking a move with the self-vote, yet again, but FZ.'s post throws that completely in the air.

Talk it through with Matt. Get some sense into him, like for instance to stop tunneling on one fucking detail in the entire fucking game.

linki: What's your conclusion, then? Wasn't D11 3-2 Mac vs. Matt, with your vote on Mac?

Tell me how FZ. can be bad in what she implied there, by asking you NOT to switch from Mac. Aka confirmed MacBaddie.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ricochet, this would be why.

FZ. wrote:All those quotes are making feel like sharing something too. MM, last day, there was a reason I told you I trusted you to not disappoint us and vote for the right person. Let's just say your vote carried a lot of weight.

linki: I was considering that possibility. But then, would MM really have to fake being so confused between us for so long? I don't think so.

Isn't that post in favor of FZ? "MM, the vote is currently, seemingly 3-2 for Mac. Please don't switch."

So she basically said "please don't save my teamie"?

Yeah, ok, but right now, wouldn't FZ be completely overpowered if she:

-- made Sorsha's vote count as 0 (or -1, WTF)
-- forced Sorsha to self-vote
-- silenced Sorsha?!

Unfortunately for her, the only Angry Birds reference I can pick up with certain features mentioned above would be Gale, the serial killer princess. Why would FZ. hint at being that?

Maybe she's retconned into civ?

What's the full scenario on what's going on, power-wise?

Ok, now what's this bullsuit currently going on.

FZ wrote:Now Sorsha can come in and vote for herself.

Judging by this, FZ. was aware that Sorsha would self-vote, meaning Sorsha's vote is forced?

Matt, can you explain, in plain, non-mysterious English, why the current 3-1 tally is actually 1-1 and MM would have the deciding vote, should he choose to switch?

"Ok, I'll be on my way then", I suddenly told the old man, standing up, snatching my backpack and proceeding further on the path behind him, leading to new highs.

"No, wait! You son of a... God damn you. RICOOOOOOOO-"

JaggedJimmyJay has been dethroned. He was Number One - CIVVIE, but not anymore.

They say the wolf running up the mountain is hungrier than the wolf standing on top. Well, I don't know if it's an actual saying or a proverb of some sort, I just read a tennis player use it in one of his motivational speeches. Not sure how it relates to a sportsman currently winning everything, over and over again, but that's a different story.

This story is about how I pretty much felt in my own endeavour, during this ascent, one that lasted days beyond keeping track. I wish I could say I was never motivated or determined to accomplish this in the first place, but it would be, at least in part, a lie. Even others, whilst trailing far behind me on the same path, have noticed it. Often, during the cold nights, I even had the impression of hearing anxious, urgent howls, coming from the top, the more I advanced into the heights.

Truthfully, I never started with such ambitions. In the beginning, I was too self-absorbed in performing as the jester of Snowdin Town, painting everyone's faces red in their sleep, ringing the church bells to disturb their midday chatter or evening prayers all the same, all in order to reveal myself to everyone as the stranger in dead clothes, the seer beyond the living, the witness beyond the dying, the vermillion clad unparalleled spaghettore. Only after being pitchforked by everyone, transforming into my real self and making a run for the Waterfall, to watch everything unfold from a safe distance, did the opportunity arise.

On the other side of the cascades, the path then revealed itself to me...GOAT Mountain, rarely traceable behind its ominous weather and thick veils of fog, destined only to enlighten the most gifted of the high posters. And also seduce them all with the one true objective. A summit into uncharted highs. The highest anyone has ever reached: col 1,450. Most have merely heard stories, but I happened to be on the same expedition when that was achieved. I myself could only accomplish two thirds of such a distance, before having to resign myself to the challenge coming to an end. We all returned and kept the legend alive in our tales, but the legend himself chose never to return and was never heard of again.

And so, with the best head start I could have ever hoped for and another fortnight of cycles to take advantage of, with no more perils to hinder my destiny and death itself seemingly interrupted from ever sharpening its scythe on my neck, not to mention in the best shape a disemboweled vermillion caped immortal skeletton could be, I found myself emboldened to attempt the ascent once more. Foolish would it have been, however, to believe the path itself would have now been cleared of obstacles of its own kind. And indeed did my spirit and form waiver at times: detours marked with "RL" signs that would only keep you from advancing or trick you into taking the wrong turns, ghosts or competitors from other valleys, challenging me to stay ahead (most notably a rogue climber named Baddie with such reputation, he was trademarked as... MacBaddie, plus one Darth Busty in his finest dark coloured bullsuit gear)... and the howls; the howls from above, alerting me that someone awaits up there, on the throne.

Yet I stayed determined, keeping doubts and challengers altogether at bay, finding the strength to keep on keeping on. And then I arrived. Col 1,450. The place of legends. And of one legend in particular. To my surprise, the wolf metaphor turned into the sight of a real stage, a small plateau atop the ridges. Awaiting me was no conquering wolf, though, but an old man, seemingly at piece with himself, seated at a rock table, drinking sake from a masu cup.

"Is it really you?", I asked right away, unable to hide the panting in my voice.

"Indeed it is", the man calmly replied.

"You seem different", I stated the obvious in moronic fashion.

"Indeed I am", he said. "Things are different around these places."

"And beyond this place?", I said, my eyes inadvertedly turning to the path continuing behind him.

"That I cannot say", he pondered.

"You mean to say you never stepped further?"

"There is nothing further, once your challenge concludes. As you will soon find out yourself", he countered.

"Still", I insisted, "that can only mean there's still time for me to venture further ahead."

"If that is what you desire...", he responded.

"Why wouldn't it be?", I asked, increasingly bemused, yet this time, he did not say anything. I couldn't really comprehend the situation, but most of all his demeanor. There was no resignation in the tone of his vote, but almost true detachment. I walked towards him at the rock table, to at least take off my backpack and supplies and catch my breath. He proceeded to take another sip from his cup.

"...Where on earth did you even find sake? Did you bring it with you back then?"

"There are many things that cannot be explained around here.", he proclaimed.

"So why shouldn't I go forwards?", I asked once more. "Why didn't you? Why didn't you return, otherwise?"

"I once climbed the same path you did, just now. And the feeling of accomplishing that was no doubt immense. But then it wears off and you realize, you have done nothing but look ahead, at the lonely steps you will take, one at a time, instead of looking back, at those you left behind. I doubt your perspective right now was any different", he retorted.

"But...! You didn't leave anyone behind. You helped all of us achieve something along the way", I reminded him. "Why shouldn't I keep helping them myself?"

"That is illusory, I'm afraid", he replied. "This is a place of loneliness, not of gathering. Your ascent was your own, whilst others perished. You supported them, but you also created a huge distance, whose effects cannot compensate for anything. They're soon bound to forget you, give up following your words or reading your actions, and so does your focus also shift. Forwards, not backwards. On your own, instead of in return for others." He paused for a second, eyes closed in deep thought, but then he opened them and for the first time looked me in the eyes. "You and I... the few of our kind to reach such summits... whom death cannot even grace. We're meant to realize when our own challenge should come to its natural end."

"So what am I supposed to really do? Just give up?" I cried out.

"Back from where you came, deep into the woods, there is still a war going on, fought by the last remaining souls. It is too late for you to head back and save the outcome, because of how much distance you took, in your own conquest.", he explained. But then, he also added: "What you can do is to observe. To witness the outcome. To acknowledge what you achieved and how its resolution lies in your hands."

I suddenly felt torn apart. His words shouldn't have really made any sense. One step. One human step and I could go beyond... beyond anyone. But in these vain efforts of mine, was it not true that...

"You must be right.", I said to him. "Despite my best intentions, my goals were never other than my own. At times, I even felt slightly ashamed of my methods... whereas your posts had depth and involvment, mine kickstarted in a big way, by simply bantering my way into trouble and making everyone tense..."

"Well, I wouldn't insist on giving such meaning to our individual endeavours, but..."

"I constantly thought I was there to help, but in truth their fight remained their own and all I did was to keep posting", I further meditated on the issue. "I could slowly feel them not being following in my footsteps anymore, not listening or processing the entirety of what I could offer, and myself losing touch with the entire scenery at times. Forgetting faces and intentions behind their masks. Failing to hear clearly anymore the language in which they speak, imply and signal to themselves. Failing to connect anymore."

The old man said nothing, leaving me in silence to judge my actions.

"So I should stop, then", I said. "I am not worthy of stepping further, for I will find nothing but myself on the same road to nowhere on which I started in the first place. There is no story they will tell of me. There is only the endeavour they each have to go through and the future ones they'll keep on going through."

"Have a seat besides me", the old man welcomed me.

And so I did. I sat next to him and he took another masu, to share with me some of his sake, as we then looked towards the valley, back in Snowdin, a place that looked devastated from the ongoing clashes, but in which you could still see a light flickering, with the determination of the few souls left standing. And despite its remoteness and high, rarefied air, I could still hear myself surrounded by the sounds and the touch of different sensations, for which to be grateful. This was no isolated, lifeless whereabout, after all. It was actually quite a beautiful place. Birds could still be heard singing, flowers surrounding the plateau were blooming... in a place like this, kids like myself...

...could just as well stop.

Matt wrote:Check it out.

There's a four way tie.

Last second, BOTH Wilgy and Golden switch up their votes and make it a four way tie again.

If Wilgy didn't know Golden was switching, then he voted to BREAK the tie.

Why, AS A BADDIE, would you intentionally BREAK a four way tie in which NONE of your teammates are in danger of getting lynched?

Answer me this. Please.

I refuse. If you don't give a shit about all the steps of that lynch, I don't have to, either.

Matt wrote:I can't tell you why Mac pushed a tie by voting FZ. I have no idea.

I know Wilgy changed his vote last second, and I have to wonder why. What purpose does it serve to try and get MM lynched last second, if not to save a teammate?

Let's assume that FZ is not a teamie of Wilgy's. WHY does Wilgy change his vote last second?

You can't exclude Mac's vote from the picture! He's a Llama baddie! We're talking FZ being a fourth wagon that snowballed and which Mac contributed to. You can't discard Mac evidence only for Wilgy evidence.

As for your question: idk.

1. Tie shenanigans. They were both at it, frankly.
2. Pushing an actual player to death.
3. Wanting me to ISO him sooner and call Dr. Wolf on him.

Well, I don't see anything Angry Birds-related to what FZ is ability-claiming, really.

bbl, dying without nose drops

WTF, link to Angry Birds in Hall o' Fame leads to Death and Taxes. Boo! nub MP.

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Matt wrote:I keep going back to the day Lorab was lynched.

Despite vote shenanigans, no matter how you cut it, Wilgy changed his vote last second. So did Golden, but Wilgy didn't know that.

3J, Lorab, MM, and FZ were part of the four way tie that day.

3J was civ. Lorab was Noses. Wilgy actually VOTED for MM.

So who does that leave us with?

I'm not saying I'm definitely going to switch back, but you can't ignore Wilgy's switch that day.

Go check my ISO post called "DAY 3.5" and tell me how my walkthrough reads out to you. Including Mac's final vote being to push FZ into the tie. Is that really FZ teamie indicative?

I'm serious. It takes 10 minutes to read and judge. Do it so we can talk properly.

FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
FZ. wrote:Is there anything more to discuss before I go to sleep?
Are you a member of mafia?
No, plain and simple. I can also tell you that my role comes from a game that had no revealed roles from yet. I believe I'm the only one.

Again, Frisky Dingy kinda fits.

Either that or Angry Birds?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:New single game post record goes to Ricochet. He gets lynched Day 1, but still manages to spew out 1,500 posts.

First though, I think I have to run down at the farmacy at 11:40pm. I'm out of nose drops.

Also, how do you call an ascending portion of a mountain route, in climbing terms? Like, a real steep, constant ascending route, after which you reach a certain height, plateau or top? The kind I posted in some pictures I took a while ago.

FZ. wrote:I think we're at a point where we're over analysing. I get why you're not willing to let what you know go, Matt, but first, look how many civvies were wrong based on information, and second, it does make sense that if one group has something, the other will have that too. Especially since coming back good is a very important power for baddies.

Sorsha is bad, period. If it's anyone else, I'll bow in the face of genius (sadly, that's not me, LOL)

Idk, I'd endorse for us to keep talking, at least for another 9 replies.

linki: ??? A protector protects a player. As a baddie, he can mostly protect himself or his teammates.

Matt wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Matt wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Matt wrote:MM - I don't think you've answered. Do you think it's possible Team Llama has an alignment switch? The answer to this question is key, IMO, with regards to Sorsha.
What's an alignment switch?
Zebra's role had some kind of trickery with faking alignments. I'm asking MM if he thinks Team Llama had something similar.
Which would explain why you think she's good...
Perhaps. I also happen to believe I know which game her role is from, which would fit with her being on Team Llama, IMO.

Still, though, is it possible two teams could seem players?

Zebra was not a seemer. So there is a window left for a seemer.

If you hint at the role being Llama compatible, then that should settle it. I don't believe it would be in Sorsha's advantage, if bad, to reveal herself as good, but as named after a Llama compatible role. Roger Rabbit turns out to have been the only oddball civrole retconned into mafia, really. Ozy was kinda scummy ( oh you noble eagle

), Jezebel I think as well, the rest were scum in the original games.

Well, I hope we've done the right thing. There doesn't seem to be a lifeline for Sorsha, either way. This silence is such a unique sight, it makes no sense as a night power. Her ISO, up to presumably bussing motel and inevitably bussing Mac too, tends to speak in terms of team-saving movement opportunities. If baddie, she probably also got the memo that her vote is worth poopers toDay and resorted to faking a silent stance and letting the other candidates rip each other apart as last measure.

linki:

Your win either way. If we win, you can claim nothing except active talk and deciphering counted. If you win and we don't, you get to ha ha.

FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Then again, what's stopping us from profiling you as Napoleon Foy, FZ., despite the audacity of there being two vote wipers in the same team?
I went to the first page to check who this Napoleon person is and I don't see that role

It's an extrapolation from all the baddie/indy roles in Llama's eligible games, a list I already posted Even Matt mentioned it.

But yeah, you're clearly not paying attention to anything I'm writing. Oh well.

FZ. wrote:In any case, do you really think there would be two who have the same power? isn't that a little lame?

True enough.

Then again, what's stopping us from profiling you as Napoleon Foy, FZ., despite the audacity of there being two vote wipers in the same team?

FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh, and I believe that if is Sorsha is civ and actually silenced, she would have placed her vote on her top suspect already. She has not done that yet.

Being silenced is one thing. Being silenced and vote-blocked at this stage would be fucked up.
And highly unlikely, because Draconus is dead.

If you mean as a night poll effect, then yes. Gross.
I have reason to believe her vote is not helpful for her. I might have finally done something good.

Cheeky cheeky.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh, and I believe that if is Sorsha is civ and actually silenced, she would have placed her vote on her top suspect already. She has not done that yet.

Being silenced is one thing. Being silenced and vote-blocked at this stage would be fucked up.

And highly unlikely, because Draconus is dead.

If you mean as a night poll effect, then yes. Gross.

DAY 7

Wilgy... banter about Mac; then strongcivreads him (and bea); plans to vote Draco or DH, based off LC's list; wary of MM; rebuttal against DH; nitpicks Dom's role; banter with MM voting him; vexed at being called a non-contributor; GTHs: motel bad, Mac civ, Matt-Sorsha-FZ all civ; wants to push a Boom lynch (talks with Mac, MM about it, later bea, and of course Sorsha)
[NIGHT 7] rebuttals, turns on Sorsha; calls Sorsha and Matt teamies; suddenly wonders what FZ is up to
motel... checks in, hardly manages to ketch-up, votes MM
Mac... votes MM... aw hell he was insanified... skip! roots for Boomslang lynch though or MM or, suddenly, FZ; GTHs: Wilgy not bad, Matt bad, Sorsha good, motel Willow Rosenberg; keeps telling the thread not to vote Wilgy

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FZ... ugh, question cursed... wants to look at low posters (including Sorsha), wary of trusting MM; wants DH to talk more; questions Drac and Boomslang; wary of either Mac or LC; votes Wilgyson
Matt... begins MM crusade based on Dom's legacy; questions Mac voting Boomslang; lobby for MM lynch and Boom save
Sorsha... feels ok about Wilgy and juliets (but inserts second-guessing comment), shrugs at motel; plans to look at Dom's legacy, comes back with weaksauce comments; doesn't want to vote Wilgy or MM, votes Boom at Wilgy's request
[NIGHT 7] spooked by Wilgy's comment, considers him "turning on her"; banter denies allegations of mafia, claiming she'll have the last laugh come endgame

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Wilgy's GTH is adorable. Buss on motel, good on Macky; also, pretty inspired to have placed all three candidates right now as civ, whether intentionally so or involuntarily. Mac's GTH is even more merciful with his teamies: Wilgy is good, motel is whatevs. This gives me the vibe of team's spirit in which bussing, creating mindtricks and such weren't the main MO.

Ok, so we all know this was Sorsha's worst Day, in terms of activity and her vote. What else can we draw out? The FZ-Mac antagonism is so recurrent, it makes me doubt it could have been cooked for so long, at such regular intervals. Wilgy was worth saving, so Sorsha could earn the point for doing such an endeavour. FZ. sinking him further or Matt being cold on the issue, for the sake of preserving his integrity, doesn't strike me as equally plausible, except for intense tinfoil/mindgames.

Hosts: can a baddie send in the kill and also perform its usual ability, during a Night phase?

Nvmd. Yeah, I could sort of see protect+NK, then silencefake shenanigans piling up a bit too much on Sorshy's side.

Granted, if she does break out of silence and speak, she's as good as dead right now.

linki: yeah I said nvmd, if you would only LET ME POST

Matt wrote:Rico - No, I'm not the silencer. And no, you're not supposed to know what I mean, FZ either. Only MM. Sorry that's the way it's gotta be.

Tranq a conjuring. Never playing a game with you ever again.

linki:

[quote="MM'"She couldn't have killed Sorsha (double-targeting)"[/quote]

wot

Matt wrote:
FZ. wrote:I'm guessing at some point she'll just come in and say RL just didn't allow her to post or that she didn't know who she could trust so she let us talk among ourselves so she could get a feel of who the last baddie is.

Actually, if Bea thought you were the baddie why would she redirect the kill if it would only lead to another one of us dying? Could the redirection be shifted back to the person she was targeting? That is the only reason why she would target you, isn't it?
That's what I'm thinking. bea thinks I'm the last baddie and targets me, my power gets redirected, and then and only then, is it possible Sorsha is even silenced.

So you're the silencer or wtf am I reading?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sorsha silencing herself is a conclusion I came to. If it is a baddie role power (which is possible), it has been recognized around these parts that such a power is not very useful for baddies, especially because baddie teams tend to silence themselves to excuse themselves for talking for a day phase. It's going out of style. That would be a reason as to why no one has been noticeably silenced this game.
You can silence civs. Or y'know, people not you or your team, in general.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:^^^Post #8,000 wotwot.
TH record still safe though.
True.

What if Jay was simultaneously silenced and smiley-cursed on the same day?

He would then have had to shaddap Not being allowed to post trumps not being allowed to write actual words, methinks.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sorsha silencing herself is a conclusion I came to. If it is a baddie role power (which is possible), it has been recognized around these parts that such a power is not very useful for baddies, especially because baddie teams tend to silence themselves to excuse themselves for talking for a day phase. It's going out of style. That would be a reason as to why no one has been noticeably silenced this game.

You can silence civs. Or y'know, people not you or your team, in general.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:^^^Post #8,000 wotwot.

TH record still safe though.

I just don't get a silencer that never silenced. If it were motel, I'd understand, but it can only be one of three active players. What's the point in never using that throughout an entire game?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote:
FZ. wrote:Listen to me, I'm a civvie. I am not lying, this whole game depends on us. Sorsha is not silenced. We got lucky with her vote, and she's scared to post. She let us go at each other thinking this would be the best way to insure a civvie lynch. We can not let this happen. We need this win, we will get this win and please take your vote off me Matt.
Fuck it. I'll temp vote Sorsha until MM returns with his thoughts.

Given how one of our hosts says silencing is his least favorite game mechanic, I'm finding it hard to believe that Sorsha is silenced at LYLO when there hasn't been a silenced person all game (again, as far as we know).
I know you like making these crazy connections, but Hosts' dislike for something and them creating a silencer, that could, in principle, silence someone on Lylo Day has little to nothing to do with each other. What, you're suggesting SVS or TH simply forbid the player to silence anymore on Lylo? Well, what has the silencer done until now, then?

Also, don't resort to outside meta. Keep it in this game or in relevant meta from past games, not from "what's your favourite mafia pasttime" forums.
Well I doubt they would let that be a result of a nightpoll option. Having that role in the game is one thing, but randomly punishing someone to be silenced at this stage would be rude and unlikely.

Ah ok, I get that. Yes, I probably wouldn't insert such night power effects for a subsequent lylo phase. Heck, sometimes in previous games (prolly THM), I even remember pleading with whoever had such powers to consider taking a break from them, near endgame, as to not accidentally inflluence the outcome in a random, negative way.

linki:

FZ wrote:Am I really allowed to spell it out loud? I think I left enough crumbs.

w.h.e.r.e. (I mean, besides Day 6. Already picked up on that)

linki:

MM wrote:On the other hand, a silencer would balance out zebra's curse-type role to give both baddie teams a similar type role ability.

Fair enough.

linki:

Matt wrote:Do you think it's possible Team Llama has an alignment switcheroo?

Could sound fair enough. Then again, zebra could not have canceled out Dom's power, if Dom could only read the "description" (this hasn't been confirmed or debunked and prolly never will). So a godfather in the opposite mafia would make this particular team stronger than zebra's.

Also, same answer I gave to FZ. You don't have anything to take out of my reads, you just do you.

linki:

MM wrote:But if there actually is a silencer, it's not Matt, and it's not FZ either.

Ah, so Sorsha silenced herself.

FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:
linki: Rico, as much as I appreciate you doing this, I don't think it's helpful. I think that what we need to do is think clear and talk live to people. That's the only way you can sense someone. Read the exchange between Matt and I and tell me what you think.
Yeah, ok, you do that. I don't have the vote priviledges (or pressure), I can only provide assistance and this is what I choose to do. You are the actors in this endgame.

Granted, if I reach the end of these reads and there's something I can interpret in yours and Matt's stances, claims, pleads, I'll do so.
Fair enough. I would still like your thoughts on who we should lynch.

The last baddie, please.

If you're not going to use my recap to, on one hand, defend (or redefend) your stance and faults or, on the other, focus on which of the other two looks the worse, then resort to what you're already doing, figuring out via live talk what to do.

linki: Which is?

FZ. wrote:
linki: Rico, as much as I appreciate you doing this, I don't think it's helpful. I think that what we need to do is think clear and talk live to people. That's the only way you can sense someone. Read the exchange between Matt and I and tell me what you think.

Yeah, ok, you do that. I don't have the vote priviledges (or pressure), I can only provide assistance and this is what I choose to do. You are the actors in this endgame.

Granted, if I reach the end of these reads and there's something I can interpret in yours and Matt's stances, claims, pleads, I'll do so.

If Sorsha is indeed the last baddie, I still get MVP for bottom scumreading her, like a thousand years ago, right?

Matt wrote:
FZ. wrote:Listen to me, I'm a civvie. I am not lying, this whole game depends on us. Sorsha is not silenced. We got lucky with her vote, and she's scared to post. She let us go at each other thinking this would be the best way to insure a civvie lynch. We can not let this happen. We need this win, we will get this win and please take your vote off me Matt.
Fuck it. I'll temp vote Sorsha until MM returns with his thoughts.

Given how one of our hosts says silencing is his least favorite game mechanic, I'm finding it hard to believe that Sorsha is silenced at LYLO when there hasn't been a silenced person all game (again, as far as we know).

I know you like making these crazy connections, but Hosts' dislike for something and them creating a silencer, that could, in principle, silence someone on Lylo Day has little to nothing to do with each other. What, you're suggesting SVS or TH simply forbid the player to silence anymore on Lylo? Well, what has the silencer done until now, then?

Also, don't resort to outside meta. Keep it in this game or in relevant meta from past games, not from "what's your favourite mafia pasttime" forums.

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