The Syndicate

Snowman wrote:

Roxy wrote:

FZ. wrote:Roxy, is it possible for civvie roles to become bad?

No.
maybe
Paranoia will destroy ya

Booooooooo!



...urns.

FZ. wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

FZ. wrote:Obviously Reed got Levina's power and used the third kill. And they killed Rico for nothing...

Third kill? I knew about one but did I miss another one?

Wasn't Epi killed by Levina?

fingersplints wrote:Well you definitely overlooked something because I don't think Russ is hunger either. There are loads more people who could have been hunger.

Black Rock wrote:

FZ. wrote:Obviously Reed got Levina's power and used the third kill. And they killed Rico for nothing...

Third kill? I knew about one but did I miss another one?

MovingPictures07 wrote:WTF!!!! Screw you, James Reed.

Oh well, go civvies! And thanks for the awesome game Rox!

FZ. wrote:Roxy, is it possible for civvie roles to become bad?

FZ. wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Are you happy with it FZ?

Yeah, I'm good.

Roxy, you said we can talk about who we were, right? Splints, were you Hunger last day?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm looking at fingersplints today. I think she is Epi's teammate.

Consider the following (in chronological order):
1) Dom's interactions with Epi
2) splints asks if we can talk about past roles
3) splints suggests that maybe Epi knew he would not be lynched
4) splints agrees that Rico/Epi connection is "very interesting" and she could "totally see Epi doing that"
5) splints says Rico is "bothering" her still, pursues him more aggressively after others have started doing so
6) splints starts backing off of Rico before the Levinah kill occurs
7) after the kill, splints says she is OK with voting Bass or Ty "based on low posting reasons"
8) voted Ty, said she could always move her vote if there was a more convincing case, yet she didn't do so

In addition, she has struck me as not genuine in many of her posts.

I was waiting to see what would happen, however, since we had a role/ability rotation.

BUT since she freely admitted her role has not changed, I think she should definitely be considered today.

It won't take long at all to skim through Dom's and splints's posts. I'm curious if others see what I am seeing.

thellama73 wrote:Isn't it impossible for one role to change? Wouldn't it have to be at least two?

Zomberella12 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Does the content of the posts concern you, or just the middling number of them?

Based on the outcome of the last lunch, maybe the content of others' posts (about a particular player) are the most important. Number of posts? I don't lknow. Epi posted a ton (was bad), Llama did a lot of posts (was good), Trice barely did anything (was bad). It's hard to say. There is a lot of guessing in this game...at least initially.

S~V~S wrote:Does the content of the posts concern you, or just the middling number of them?

TySlayer wrote:A strange group of laughing emoticons has invaded this message

Black Rock wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Trice has a more possible connection to Epi and defended him HARD, and he was the one I thought I'd end up voting today when the day began. Thinking about it, I also think his suspicion of LC is a bit opportunistic.

I know LC's antics are weird, and I can't make heads or tails of it, but he read genuine to me earlier. Only reason I switched to LC was given I didn't want to lynch Rico and wasn't sure I'd be back in time.

Switching to Trice

I still think my vote for Russ is a good vote. I hope you're not wrong about Tricer.

Well I'll be doggone. You were right. I commend you sir!

I'm giving this credit to FZ, it was his recommendation.

I voting E because it's the only vowel in my name.

S~V~S wrote:Very nice result

Linki~ no commendations for the people who voted trice before MP did?

Zomberella12 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Trice has a more possible connection to Epi and defended him HARD, and he was the one I thought I'd end up voting today when the day began. Thinking about it, I also think his suspicion of LC is a bit opportunistic.

I know LC's antics are weird, and I can't make heads or tails of it, but he read genuine to me earlier. Only reason I switched to LC was given I didn't want to lynch Rico and wasn't sure I'd be back in time.

Switching to Trice

I still think my vote for Russ is a good vote. I hope you're not wrong about Tricer.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks Rico and SVS!

I must admit, I also put some stock in BR's opinion of LC for good reason.

Snowman wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:Come on snowman, switch your vote.

You're not the boss of me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Trice has a more possible connection to Epi and defended him HARD, and he was the one I thought I'd end up voting today when the day began. Thinking about it, I also think his suspicion of LC is a bit opportunistic.

I know LC's antics are weird, and I can't make heads or tails of it, but he read genuine to me earlier. Only reason I switched to LC was given I didn't want to lynch Rico and wasn't sure I'd be back in time.

Switching to Trice

S~V~S wrote:So Zomba, you moved your vote to Russ thus almost guaranteeing an LC lynch?

Linki, well you were hoping to lead one on me I am sure had Llama come up bad.

thellama73 wrote:Does my vote still count?

Black Rock wrote:Also I voted Bass because he had a vote and Ty did not.

Black Rock wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:I'm thinking that Rico just killed Llama, or someone else did it to frame him. If Rico did it, he is a bad civvie. Does that exist?

No, but civvies make mistakes all the time.

So, a civvie was just killed and the vote is split between two likely civvies (imo).

I'm voting for Bass as well, unless someone can tell me why I shouldn't.

I don't get the Bass votes instead of Russ. What exactly has Bass said that was considered suspicious by anyone so far? This is coming out of the blue, when Russ is only telling us why what we think isn't right, and has not given anything other than that.

I would consider voting for Ty

Well I'm open to options, just not the leading two.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I appreciate Rico's attempts to defend himself, but they haven't really changed my mind. I acknowledge that I don't feel THAT strongly about him, but it's Day 2 and I can't fathom a better player for my vote before the roles change.

Sorry, Rico.

Long Con wrote:

fingersplints wrote:And I just realized that Metalmarsh was Tamsen Donner. That really really sucks for the Civvies, Tamsen could have been the key to winning the game.

thellama73 wrote:LC clearly wants to be lynched, which is usually a good reason not to lynch somebody.

MovingPictures07 wrote:See, that's what I'm worried about here. But there's always the issue that he could be doing that as a ploy to avoid getting lynched, when in reality he would NOT like to be lynched.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:unless he has the secret power "when you get lynched all civvies die lel," I don't see what the issue is. If he doesn't want to play he's going to hinder more than he helps even if he's civ - but I think he's bad anyway

Russtifinko wrote: There's building cases, instead of revealing things you're told by the host or outing alignments based on who has BTSC with whom. That's the distinction between mafia and a middle-school logic puzzle: in mafia you say things you think, and for the most part you're supposed to keep the ones you know to yourself.

MovingPictures07 wrote:EBWOP

By Tyler I mean TySlayer, but I'm sure that could be surmised.

Snowman wrote:

Russ wrote:I doesn't! However, I am against using info to lunch baddies. See X-Men.

What alternative is there? Lynching baddies by telepathy? I voted for Epi because I felt like he acted guilty, plain and simple. I honestly didn't notice any specific info regarding his guilt, and I wasn't 100% sure about him, but he seemed the most likely candidate. Everything that's said on the forums is info, and in a social deduction game, all you have to base your decisions on are...the social interactions!

...or, you could spend forever trying to eliminate every alternative based on first-hand experience from BTSC and revealed roles post-lynch like...but that seems dumb and boring, like a middle-school logic puzzle.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:I don't have any ideas on baddies we could possibly lunch before day's end who we didn't get info on, so I'll vote Zombie for suspecting me.

Really? No ideas on baddies. I think I might have hit a nerve. You can't lunch me if I lunch you first.

While I don't trust Russ for one second this game, just because someone doesn't have any ideas on baddies, especially in a game as complicated as this, does not imply they are bad. It could, especially taken in with other factors (which is how I feel about Russ, but nonetheless I wouldn't gun against him right now, I just have a few things I wonder about).

Russtifinko wrote:I don't have any ideas on baddies we could possibly lunch before day's end who we didn't get info on, so I'll vote Zombie for suspecting me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snowman wrote:Otherwise, civvies gotta eat!

In your case, a terrifying snowman.

I wouldn't want to be eaten by that thing.

S~V~S wrote:Why? Epi WAS bad. So not sure why that post makes Russ look bad, tbh.

S~V~S wrote:What is your stand on Russ? The prior post you said Dom was suspish for misinterpreting Russ.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Linki w/ Zomb: I personally do not right now, no. I don't really have a read on him one way or the other but I believe he read genuine to me. But you interpreted him as suspicious earlier, hence my question.

Russtifinko wrote:I voted Epi. Was low on time, so no post before. Not even really because I particularly want him gone, but his posting makes me curious what'll happen if he gets lunched, he seems cool with it, and he's not me.

Dom wrote:I read Russ as poking holes in MP's argument-- not actually recommending lynching civilians.

Russtifinko wrote:However, MP raises probably the best point for lynching your teammates. If you have a chance to switch and your teammates have figured out a way to catch you in a lie once you do, they're the people you need dead most in the game. So he's actually supporting my argument even though he says he's against it.

Long Con wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

Snowman wrote:I feel like LC is working altogether too hard to be obnoxious. I think he's trying to take the heat off someone else. I also think that LC must feel confident that ha can't be killed. He's trying to take the bullet (for Rico, perhaps) .

Agreed. Also, no one has defended him, either day. And he keeps pointing the finger without any real reason. I'm just not sold on his innocence. I really want to lunch LC. You're off the hook in my book Rico - for now *switch vote from Rico to Long Con*

There are a couple of people that could defend me right now, but they don't have to. In fact, if they did now, it might be considered infodumping. And as I recall, one of them DID defend me. You just don't want to see it, I think.

Page reference?

Ha ha no, not going to happen.

Ricochet wrote:The only shortcoming I see to Alex's BTSC mechanism is that it's a civ tool that could be very much manipulated by the baddies. Regardless if shuffles of roles will be partial or full, a civ might change to a baddie, be aware of his past team's mechanism and instruct his team how to evade it. Or worse, civs from different camps could change and form the baddie team and thus be aware of multiple "mechanisms" and how to evade them. Does this make sense, Alex?

(Or perhaps the game design is a bit flawed, but I wouldn't want to insinuate that, because the Host might turn me into a swedish buffet. )

Anyway, I'll wait to see Russ's reply, otherwise I would also consider inviting him to dinner.

Long Con wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

Snowman wrote:I feel like LC is working altogether too hard to be obnoxious. I think he's trying to take the heat off someone else. I also think that LC must feel confident that ha can't be killed. He's trying to take the bullet (for Rico, perhaps) .

Agreed. Also, no one has defended him, either day. And he keeps pointing the finger without any real reason. I'm just not sold on his innocence. I really want to lunch LC. You're off the hook in my book Rico - for now *switch vote from Rico to Long Con*

There are a couple of people that could defend me right now, but they don't have to. In fact, if they did now, it might be considered infodumping. And as I recall, one of them DID defend me. You just don't want to see it, I think.

TySlayer wrote:Hmmmmmm..... I'm not totally sure who to vote for. Honestly, there are very few bad guys in this game, and if I vote now I'm not sure I'll hit that small window. I suppose I'm open to suggestions, if anyone has any.

Snowman wrote:I feel like LC is working altogether too hard to be obnoxious. I think he's trying to take the heat off someone else. I also think that LC must feel confident that ha can't be killed. He's trying to take the bullet (for Rico, perhaps) .

Long Con wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I think both SVS and LC are playing their civvie game, but they have both fooled me before.

This is what my Civvie game looks like?

I think that coming after Rico as a baddie just because of the poll screenshot thing is not wise. I don't understand what that has to do with being a baddie. A baddie is more likely to try and get a good rep by being as helpful as possible... and obviously such a flimsy strategy would easily work on some of you. I'll have to remember that.