The Syndicate

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:37 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:33 pm Falcon actually showed up and committed to a self-prez and for me that’s valuable info and gives me a hmm.
Something tells me you'll just double down on your SR on my slot.

Or am I wrong?

You’re not going to die today and I’d hope the cop perks you either way. That’s what I’ll be looking for tomorrow.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:35 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:33 pm Falcon actually showed up and committed to a self-prez and for me that’s valuable info and gives me a hmm.
in what way? Does that make him look town to you?

No

Falcon actually showed up and committed to a self-prez and for me that’s valuable info and gives me a hmm.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:30 pm Because it confused me

I don’t see how it’s confusing… I have said over and over that I believe consensus building and listening to different voices is critical and Lucy is the consensus.

I think Lucy should be elimmed today.

I think my vote should be on Falcon.

This is a

just for people in general.

Actually you know what, don’t bother answering that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:29 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:27 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:25 pm I just want my vote to be on my highest suspect. That’s it.
I mean…you’ve been pretty vocal all day that you suspect falcon. This is all so very odd
Yes I have, 100% so SVS should not be upset at me for voting that way.
I’m arguing semantics that you voting for falcon because he’s your highest suspect while also bending over backwards to make sure SVs gets her way is confused.jpg

Why.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:25 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:22 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:17 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The result isn’t in doubt and I’d rather be here.
What does this even mean?

I am not sure why you are so resistant to a Lucy vote.

How likely is Golden to be bad in a world where falcon is civ and Lucy is bad?

Jesus. I worked my butt off for this elimination for two days for this? I give the fuck up.
Sus.
Like i really really REALLY hate this level of sus

This makes me worry about you more than it makes me worry about SVS.

I told her I’ll vote for Lucy if there’s any risk of a tie.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:27 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:25 pm I just want my vote to be on my highest suspect. That’s it.
I mean…you’ve been pretty vocal all day that you suspect falcon. This is all so very odd

Yes I have, 100% so SVS should not be upset at me for voting that way.

I’m not interested in a flashwagon and anyone trying to make my vote into one needs an eye.

I just want my vote to be on my highest suspect. That’s it.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:22 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:17 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The result isn’t in doubt and I’d rather be here.
What does this even mean?

I am not sure why you are so resistant to a Lucy vote.

How likely is Golden to be bad in a world where falcon is civ and Lucy is bad?

Jesus. I worked my butt off for this elimination for two days for this? I give the fuck up.

I do not understand how you can say or think I am resistant to a Lucy vote.

I have bent over backwards to make sure you get your way today and I will again.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The result isn’t in doubt and I’d rather be here.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:57 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:51 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:49 pm Spiritually I am voting myself right now
Is this the spiritual unvote?
no, its a spiritual vote on myself. I am not allowed to as per the rules which is why I didnt join the game. I also didnt join the game because hard claiming is banned and various other rules in the setup I didnt like. But I subbed because its better than having a dead spot

Interesting. Something tells me you’re not the type to give away what you’re thinking but I’m interested in knowing more post game if you’re willing.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:49 pm Spiritually I am voting myself right now

Is this the spiritual unvote?

Yeah I think people doing it in that format is also genuinely useful.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:27 pm Genuine question… have people just not really played with cop roles here in the last few years?

I’m trying to gauge whether this is meta or just something where philosophies haven’t really worked through.

Because hey I’m not necessarily good at reading players but in good at angleshooting optimal pathways with any given power role.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:31 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:26 pm And the reason I lay down a legacy rainbow is so that everyone including cop/deputy can do it without outing themselves.
What's a legacy rainbow? Is it just the rainbow lists?

Legacy aka if I’m nightkilled.

Genuine question… have people just not really played with cop roles here in the last few years?

And the reason I lay down a legacy rainbow is so that everyone including cop/deputy can do it without outing themselves.

This is where scotty headbutts a brick wall. I was comfortable tactically iding doc but I won’t be doing the same with the others.

I perceive mechanically cleared town numbers at 6.

Plus two where I just can’t see their wolfworld.

That leaves only three people.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:15 pm clarification, run once, lucy town, run once falcon town and run again both town

My PoE is always, always, Lucy scotty Falcon.

Only in a world where two of them are peeked/flipped green do I live in another world.

Let me be clearer about why.

Cop and deputy are two people I believe I know who they are in the thread, and I believe they have cleared three people as green peeks between them, plus I believe Seanzie is doc.

I think the game is solved because I have been pouring I’ve every inch of the thread finding the peeks I know must be seeded in there.

In a world where my PoE is wrong, I am wrong about the identity of cop/deputy. Which means someone has used language that I think they shouldn’t have if they weren’t one of those roles, and someone else isn’t being clear, but that’s ok.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:15 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:14 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:57 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:53 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:51 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:47 am d52.PNG

Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say the people on Falcon AND Rondo are all town.

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

who fits with Vivax/Meta

Everyone else on the wagon should be seeing a 2 in 4 of the others are wolves

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Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say there is only one wolf on each wagon max

Dennis / Rondo

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

Falcon / Neon

- Falcon and Neon should have a difference check on each other (I dont think I can pick between Neon / Falcon atm)

- I have a difference check on Dennis

- Golden and Seanzie should be looking at Fingers / SVS / Scotty (I think Scotty is the loser here from Fingers reaction)

So out of

Dennis / Falcon / Neon / Scotty - there should be 2 wolves

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which is more likely?
why would they avoid the Lucy wagon? Why would they be on the Lucy wagon?
I will even repost it for you
I didn’t/don’t understand the post/question
if you look at the original post it has a screenshot of the wagons, I am asking you to run through two worlds and give me your opinion on who are wolves. Dont forget Roxy because she hasnt voted yet I havent put her in but she is an important element of this game
So in both your worlds lucy is town?
for this experiment both lucy and falcon are town

In the world where Falcon and Lucy are both town, Scotty is bad 100% of the time, and I’d need to reread you/bea and Dennis carefully to work out the other one.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:57 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:53 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:51 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:47 am d52.PNG

Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say the people on Falcon AND Rondo are all town.

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

who fits with Vivax/Meta

Everyone else on the wagon should be seeing a 2 in 4 of the others are wolves

===============================

Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say there is only one wolf on each wagon max

Dennis / Rondo

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

Falcon / Neon

- Falcon and Neon should have a difference check on each other (I dont think I can pick between Neon / Falcon atm)

- I have a difference check on Dennis

- Golden and Seanzie should be looking at Fingers / SVS / Scotty (I think Scotty is the loser here from Fingers reaction)

So out of

Dennis / Falcon / Neon / Scotty - there should be 2 wolves

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which is more likely?
why would they avoid the Lucy wagon? Why would they be on the Lucy wagon?
I will even repost it for you
I didn’t/don’t understand the post/question
if you look at the original post it has a screenshot of the wagons, I am asking you to run through two worlds and give me your opinion on who are wolves. Dont forget Roxy because she hasnt voted yet I havent put her in but she is an important element of this game

So in both your worlds lucy is town?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:10 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:48 pm I’d like to see more legacy rainbows tbh
LEGACY

I halp!

I like this.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:51 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:47 am d52.PNG

Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say the people on Falcon AND Rondo are all town.

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

who fits with Vivax/Meta

Everyone else on the wagon should be seeing a 2 in 4 of the others are wolves

===============================

Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say there is only one wolf on each wagon max

Dennis / Rondo

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

Falcon / Neon

- Falcon and Neon should have a difference check on each other (I dont think I can pick between Neon / Falcon atm)

- I have a difference check on Dennis

- Golden and Seanzie should be looking at Fingers / SVS / Scotty (I think Scotty is the loser here from Fingers reaction)

So out of

Dennis / Falcon / Neon / Scotty - there should be 2 wolves

========================

which is more likely?
why would they avoid the Lucy wagon? Why would they be on the Lucy wagon?
I will even repost it for you

I didn’t/don’t understand the post/question

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:51 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:48 pm I’d like to see more legacy rainbows tbh
why? Unless you ask for something different you're going to ge the same thing? This just seems like a request to keep people busy and not looking into the thread in a constructed way. I would like people to have answered my question. I know you havent and you have time to sit here in thread.

Can you think of no reasons?

I’d like to see more legacy rainbows tbh

All I’m saying is that the thread state feels exactly like ‘game over’ and I’m gonna assume that’s true unless todays flip is town, and only then will I reevaluate.

If Lucy is wolf there is no reason not to flip Falcon tomorrow.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:41 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:21 pm It’s amazing how much agency I’m given over every single elim in this game.

I have wanted Falcon on days 1, 4 and 5. If I was controlling the game he would go today.

If Lucy is town this is a) not on me and b) a terrible reason to try to save Falcon.

There is an outsized difference in how many people are actually listening to me this game vs how much they’re perceived to be listening. I have literally only gotten my way once.
Incorrect, you are voting her you can not absolve yourself of the guilt if she is town. I will probably end up voting her if she stops being top wagon but you know. You cant say the highlighted while voting for her

I’m not looking for absolution. Neon is ascribing to me a deliberate plot of flipping lucy into Falcon. No, my plot is to elim Falcon, on whichever day I can get people to do it, no matter what lucy flips, and I’ve been wanting it for two weeks!

Have people just not played games that are solved before or…?

I can’t see why Lucy, in finals week, would other dedicating any time to preventing her elim of wolf.

There’s reason to if she’s town.

I don’t understand why people are so paranoid about why a caught wolf team isn’t fighting more.

They’re up against two cops. Why would they?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:22 pm How to take a sure win and turn it into a loss

A playbook.

Step 1. Preflip a player a as wolf

Step 2. Solve only in worlds where player a is wolf

Step 3. Don't be paranoid of why there's been little to no push back in hours.

Step 4. Spend hours fucking around while waiting for EoD because the wagon isn't changing anyways because nobody cares.

Step 5. Ignore the fact that player A is level 0 and everything fits together way to cleanly.

Step 6. Player A flips town. Nobody reevaluates

Step 7. Accuse player C of tmi for being the only one to TR player A

Step 8. Kill player C.

This game is a sure win because we have three power roles alive and they have quite a few evidenced green results in the thread between them.

Tinfoiling dumb shit gets us nowhere.

This game is so close to solved.

It’s amazing how much agency I’m given over every single elim in this game.

I have wanted Falcon on days 1, 4 and 5. If I was controlling the game he would go today.

If Lucy is town this is a) not on me and b) a terrible reason to try to save Falcon.

There is an outsized difference in how many people are actually listening to me this game vs how much they’re perceived to be listening. I have literally only gotten my way once.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:15 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:10 pm Busy today… not to say I won’t be here at all, but I don’t know exactly when…

So, a legacy rainbow.

People I would not elim short of the cop showing up with a red peek

SVS
Fingersplints
Neon
Roxy
Seanzie

People who could reasonably be deepwolves, but I’d only consider closer to lylo

Dennis
Rondo

If Lucy flips town, he’s worth another look

Scotty

Wolves unless the cop comes in with a green peek

Lucy
Falcon

Lucy could easily be up a tier with Scotty, but in my mind if we elim within those three and cop/deputy manage a peek within the other two we’re in good shape. I wouldn’t elim Scotty today though, he’s definitely a tier above Lucy in that sense.
Inb4 wolf Golden flips town Lucy into town Falcon and nobody listens to me

Which game and year are you getting in before, Nostradamus

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:59 pm I am frustrated that the cops are not coming forward but I understand its probably mechanically better to hold it out till FX

I note that the deputy mechanically can’t.

Scotty accounts for 1.99% of the other 2%

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:46 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:13 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:12 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:07 pm Back on topic:

Lucy is in finals week right now, which explains her absence, but has had enough wherewithal to post a few snarky one-liners today like:
‘You’re not allowed to post when dead’
‘I can’t read’
‘Neon is scum’

What can I do with that?

I think Lucy is bad and her partner is probably already voting her.

With bad lucy, I’d be willing to write off Neon, Rondo and falcon.
If Lucy a bad her partner is Falcon honestly I don’t know what is with everyone wanting to clear Falcon for terrible reasons.
I want to clear falcon for terrible reasons because I have suspected him a lot for terrible reasons and been wrong.
I will note Falcon has kinda wilted and given up this second half of day phase. I think he does that because between him and lucy a wolf is going and so he is done with the game because either way both wolves are in the poe of yeetables and game is mechanically over

I feel 98% sure this is where we are at.

You’re welcome to your own rainbow list but I will not touch neon without someone red peeking.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:44 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:10 pm Busy today… not to say I won’t be here at all, but I don’t know exactly when…

So, a legacy rainbow.

People I would not elim short of the cop showing up with a red peek

SVS
Fingersplints
Roxy
Seanzie

People who could reasonably be deepwolves, but I’d only consider closer to lylo

Dennis
Rondo

If Lucy flips town, he’s worth another look

Neon
Scotty

Wolves unless the cop comes in with a green peek

Lucy
Falcon

Lucy could easily be up a tier with Scotty, but in my mind if we elim within those three and cop/deputy manage a peek within the other two we’re in good shape. I wouldn’t elim Scotty today though, he’s definitely a tier above Lucy in that sense.
EBWOP otherwise I mostly agree

Nope.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:34 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:21 pm I’ll look to expand on this, but since we’re playing Nostradamus with preflipping people, I think most likely deepwolves if Lucy is bad are, in order:
Dennis > Golden > Neon.

I think Neon is a streeeetch because even though she says she has had to hard defend her wolfmates before, this is laying it on a bit too thick to be compatible.

Dennis is someone that continues to echo my thoughts and most reads in this game and its bugging me out
My deepwolves would be Dennis, rondo.

I’m not really in on any world where neon is wolf. And I do believe she is within ‘wolf range’ although I think her self-reason for saying she isn’t is probably genuine.

Call this a ‘golden spotting a kindred spirit’ read. I have more confidence in that, than I have in Kate’s read of Dennis, and that’s saying something because I am putting a lot of weight on Kate’s read of Dennis.
Hahah you think if I wanted to deep wolf I wouldnt just eat the Bea town read and just slank and not call out lucy so hard as I did for hitting 0 of her town notes? Think again buddy, take your wifom back to the wifom store

I am very clear that I don’t think there is a deepwolf in this game.

Also that’s an ironic song to be on in the subway, isn’t it. Unless you mean the sandwich shop.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:52 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:50 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:28 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:26 pm Ebwop because that means they let two people go relatively easily.

Assuming Lucy flips bad we all have to reevaluate our reads and why we’re townreading the people we are.
Yeah I’m not looking too much into it yet, but my updated values of potential pairings are Golden and Dennis.

Golden is adaptable, but he’s just playing so differently than when he snowed town last game. Dennis I have literally no basis for reading, and as I said in like D1- he’s probably going to the endgame regardless of his alignment
Let it snow let it snow let it snow… a deepwolf would be seasonal.
Holy crap I just had to comment that I read this comment and immediately Let it Snow just started playing on the radio in the Subway I’m in right now. What are the odds

Don’t mistake coincidence for fate.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:28 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:26 pm Ebwop because that means they let two people go relatively easily.

Assuming Lucy flips bad we all have to reevaluate our reads and why we’re townreading the people we are.
Yeah I’m not looking too much into it yet, but my updated values of potential pairings are Golden and Dennis.

Golden is adaptable, but he’s just playing so differently than when he snowed town last game. Dennis I have literally no basis for reading, and as I said in like D1- he’s probably going to the endgame regardless of his alignment

Let it snow let it snow let it snow… a deepwolf would be seasonal.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:19 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:17 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:16 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:11 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:07 pm Back on topic:

Lucy is in finals week right now, which explains her absence, but has had enough wherewithal to post a few snarky one-liners today like:
‘You’re not allowed to post when dead’
‘I can’t read’
‘Neon is scum’

What can I do with that?

I think Lucy is bad and her partner is probably already voting her.

With bad lucy, I’d be willing to write off Neon, Rondo and falcon.
Why do you think her partner is on her already? And, if Lucy flips town how does that change this?

The only person in my PoE on Lucy right now is Splints.
It makes sense for her partner to be involved with bussing her for cred at this point. Otherwise, they’re just a hanging dingleberry for endgame.

I mean, of course if Lucy is town this changes things. I’d still lean falcon as the scum if not lucy. Though that would leave another most likely deep wolf, but different interactions and different confidences for potential deep wolves.

It also sounds like Neon has been setting up ‘if Lucy flips town, Scotty is wolf’ so hopefully we won’t have to deal with that bullsuit, but I’m for sure apparently a potential deepwolf for pushing townlucy
Townread for using the word bullsuit
Townreading me for using bullsuit is bullshit

But I’ll take it

It absolutely is, i was using if liberally in anniversary.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:19 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:58 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:54 pm And goddamn it THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!!!
my favorite post in this game, may be a new signature <3[

If it's ok S~V~S?
Reading..... going to miss Kate/ Batman this game. I have so few in my trust circle.
I didn't know if anyone would even get that, being in the thread at the same time as Rondo can feel like an interrogation for sure! Feel free

My plans got pushed back a bit, and moved closer to home, so no Long Island Expressway 2 weeks before Christmas but I still have to head out in a bit. Looking forward to reading your catch up later.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:42 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:35 pm I say we flashwagon Dennis.
Flashwagons in a world with two living cops who could have up to four different green peeks between them isn’t great.

There’s a reason I keep pushing consensus this game… we should be able to weed out those who have been peeked and avoid elimming them by taking into account a broad range of perspectives.
You would think so, wouldn't you?

I’m not sure if you mean me or if that’s the royal you

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