The Syndicate

As you can see, I remember how to hunt for power roles perfectly

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:55 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:50 am I never minded if my team won, and funnily enough I felt very resistant to deadies being able to win. I do think it’s good now, but the other way has it’s charms.
nah slankers need to die

The point of mafia is to engage in the game and fool people not just coast and win

Oh, it was the opposite of coasting. Role madness games leave nowhere to hide, and people still asked deeply probing questions. One wrong thing could crater your game in an instant. It was just very different.

I remember one win I had as wolf, for instance, where a town member had a role that could force BTSC with another player each night, and they picked me very early and forced me to role claim in BTSC. I had to pick, and happened to pick the role of the first person who died (unflipped), and it allowed me some cover to weather heavy suspicion from others.

You could never have a moment off as wolf. You had to consider everything you knew about the game set up, what was your answer to each thing that could go wrong, how would you handle it.

In my opinion it remains a very fun game mode (minus the alive to win condition) which is why I created an entire role madness matrix with the goal of creating balanced role madness games.

I never minded if my team won, and funnily enough I felt very resistant to deadies being able to win. I do think it’s good now, but the other way has it’s charms.

It has a vibe. And what I'd call mafia 1.0, the mafia I grew up on and played with Roxy and mata, was very different. You lost if you died. Taking thread control was inherently bad play (which is why I always lost).

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 3:50 am It flies in the face of everything I know.

Have you ever experienced it before?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 3:08 am So it scares me that our entire poe is low thread presence... mostly. In a game where 1/3rds of the team already has low thread presence.

Like... my brain tells me this is all wrong.

This game has always had the vibe of being solved, even when we’ve had the wolves wrong.

That’s why I’ve always said it doesn’t feel like there’s a deepwolf. And imo roxy and Lucy were never deepwolves, I agree.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:49 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:47 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:45 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:45 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:37 am If Roxy flips wolf I'm just confused by what this wolf team ever even did ...

And more so I'm confused by their actions. Lack of thread control. Basically like...wtf.
Exerting thread control is a characteristic of individual players. Mata and Roxy are, by their nature, lower posters who don’t seek to exert thread control. This can be an effective tactic if the town is eating itself.
It's an absolute disaster. With prs and God doc Scotty they should have adjusted

Further 1 of them was inactive and no voted at least one time

Two of them self voted at different points I believe both on day 1 and one stayed on themself thus losing their vote day 2. This is actually a huge reason why I've town read Roxy that play makes 0 sense as mafia if i was on thee team I'd be screaming in scum chat to just log in for one second stealth vote and leave.

Like... there's just so much huh and very little where I can go oh I see the plan.
You think posting in wolf chat asking Roxy to ignore a robbery she’s dealing with would help or even be seen?
I think self voting means it was possible to just not vote at all or vote off wagon. So yes.

I think perhaps our difference in perspectives is generational. If I’m dealing with a work crisis I am not reading wolfchat. I don’t have time for that.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:45 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:45 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:37 am If Roxy flips wolf I'm just confused by what this wolf team ever even did ...

And more so I'm confused by their actions. Lack of thread control. Basically like...wtf.
Exerting thread control is a characteristic of individual players. Mata and Roxy are, by their nature, lower posters who don’t seek to exert thread control. This can be an effective tactic if the town is eating itself.
It's an absolute disaster. With prs and God doc Scotty they should have adjusted

Further 1 of them was inactive and no voted at least one time

Two of them self voted at different points I believe both on day 1 and one stayed on themself thus losing their vote day 2. This is actually a huge reason why I've town read Roxy that play makes 0 sense as mafia if i was on thee team I'd be screaming in scum chat to just log in for one second stealth vote and leave.

Like... there's just so much huh and very little where I can go oh I see the plan.

You think posting in wolf chat asking Roxy to ignore a robbery she’s dealing with would help or even be seen?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:00 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:59 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:57 am Finger and Roxy havent voted in above
To be fair the day starts for splints at like 2am
no excuses, game has been going for 24 hours now I should vote her just for not having a vote and turbo her till f3

Spoiler: show
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this is a joke

Oh yeah now it’s me that can’t keep days straight

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:56 am d62.PNG

Which is more likely? Wolf on wagon or off?

In a world where Roxy is town… on.

In a world where roxy is wolf… id guess the wolf is someone who hasn’t voted yet.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:57 am Finger and Roxy havent voted in above

To be fair the day starts for splints at like 2am

Let me separate this Roxy post into two halves:

1) confbias reasons to suspect Roxy:

Day 1. “I’m catching up”. “Whoops didn’t catch up, I’ll self vote”.

Didn’t love this progression at the time, don’t love it now.

Day 6 - Roxy dislikes a meta in which lucy wolfclaims and spews Dennis and rondo as town. Hey, I’d be pissed at that if I was Roxy and Lucy’s teammate too.

Somewhere in the middle - lucy says ‘fucking Roxy’ and literally everyone who knows roxy is expecting a sharp response that didn’t really come.

2) reasons to doubt the confbias

Fingersplints is hard-reading roxy as tow
Roxy’s activity is essentially in line with her civ game.
Neon’s hard-read, as a stranger to roxy

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:43 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:27 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:15 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:10 pm I think I need to give Neon a pass for my bad memory and let other people suss/find her
There was a host post saying Wilgy replaced her but I saw no posts or mentions of him. It was confusing, there wasn’t even a list of who was what role in the thread that I could find.
KotH

I was town
I subbed out cause I was extremely depressed irl

@RondoDimBuckle

I'm confused.
yeah I think I fucked up. I think that makes you town but also I dont know what that means for my reads

Perhaps it just means Roxy is wolf.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:37 am If Roxy flips wolf I'm just confused by what this wolf team ever even did ...

And more so I'm confused by their actions. Lack of thread control. Basically like...wtf.

Exerting thread control is a characteristic of individual players. Mata and Roxy are, by their nature, lower posters who don’t seek to exert thread control. This can be an effective tactic if the town is eating itself.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:51 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:44 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:58 am @RondoDimBuckle please give evidence I was shielding Golden.

You pushed that idea hard even though I did not ever actively suggest or confirm anything about Golden's theory. Thinking back on it, the only reason I can see for this is rolefishing.

Scotty ended up dead. Who do you think would have figured out that I wasn't doc?
<gestures to every time day 4 I ask you to prove Goldens You Doc him night kill is wrong and distance from him and every time you kinda softly do it like a doc would if they didnt really want to distance it>
This is exactly how I perceived it too tbh. Like, my ‘I think I’m the day two save’ was tactical and I could have been right or wrong but, call it confbias or not, the soft signalling of never wanting to vote me made me think I actually had it right.

I also think it’s consistent with a genuine copread, though.
I really think I have been TMI'ed town off my play D4 and 5 into Lucy EOD5 and can just be psudo green checked

Claiming your own townclear is inherently suspicious, (says man who made an entire post townclearing himself)

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:58 am @RondoDimBuckle please give evidence I was shielding Golden.

You pushed that idea hard even though I did not ever actively suggest or confirm anything about Golden's theory. Thinking back on it, the only reason I can see for this is rolefishing.

Scotty ended up dead. Who do you think would have figured out that I wasn't doc?
<gestures to every time day 4 I ask you to prove Goldens You Doc him night kill is wrong and distance from him and every time you kinda softly do it like a doc would if they didnt really want to distance it>

This is exactly how I perceived it too tbh. Like, my ‘I think I’m the day two save’ was tactical and I could have been right or wrong but, call it confbias or not, the soft signalling of never wanting to vote me made me think I actually had it right.

I also think it’s consistent with a genuine copread, though.

At this point anyone doing vote analysis should be marking me as green. I am not permitted to fakeclaim cop.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:16 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:07 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:56 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:47 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:53 pm Town

Dennis
Golden
Falcon
Splints

Everyone below is on the chopping block until further notice

Almost certainly town

Rondo

Roxy
Neon
SVS
Seanzie
This is pretty much exactly my rainbow list right now, all things considered.
EBWOP

Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?
Perhaps SVS is a blind spot for me. I wouldn’t rule it out entirely. She is an incredibly excellent mafia player in general and wolf.

But I have laid out clearly behaviour that I believe is out of her wolfrange, certainly the wolfrange I’ve observed in the past.

I don’t think she feels guilted (or pretends to feel guilted) by me merely for asking Lucy if she’s neurodiverse, if she is Lucy’s teammate. I don’t think it even occurs to her. This is not say that SVS is above using appeal to emotion as wolf if it’s helpful. I just don’t think it looks like this.

In addition, the specific way she went about her lucy suspicion doesn’t resemble what id expect bussing to look like from SVS. She was begrudging when she stopped chasing lucy… it was not the behaviour of someone thankful to have an excuse to stop bussing a teammate, it was the behaviour of someone who disagreed but went along for the sake of giving someone she trusted a chance (specifically, me).

Also, I think SVS legit had me nailed as cop for ages and didn’t try to kill me for it n4/n5, I think that’s meaningful.

And additionally, having Kate’s townread to back my own up is meaningful.

I think, as a trio, SVS, Kate and I are all very used to each other and while we might tinfoil each other, and while we are all good at masking wolfplay, I think overall we have decent success at reading each other.
EBWOP

Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?

I think you’re asking me to tread a fine line here… moving single names about like this could be sailing close to G-Man intervention.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Seanzie has acted consistently with a belief that he’s been greenpeeked?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:29 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:27 pm @falcon45ca why do you have Golden as black? Like he is some sort of mystery?
Any player in black is alive and unknown (to me) alignment. Golden is not the only one in black, you'll note only the flipped and myself have colors

Why is my alignment not known to you?

Also, it’s not only svs’svote on Roxy that had me go there. The way in which roxy talked about Lucy’s wolfclaim also made me hmm.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:56 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:47 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:53 pm Town

Dennis
Golden
Falcon
Splints

Everyone below is on the chopping block until further notice

Almost certainly town

Rondo
Seanzie

Roxy
Neon
SVS
This is pretty much exactly my rainbow list right now, all things considered.
EBWOP

Does this make you MORE or LESS happy?

Perhaps SVS is a blind spot for me. I wouldn’t rule it out entirely. She is an incredibly excellent mafia player in general and wolf.

But I have laid out clearly behaviour that I believe is out of her wolfrange, certainly the wolfrange I’ve observed in the past.

I don’t think she feels guilted (or pretends to feel guilted) by me merely for asking Lucy if she’s neurodiverse, if she is Lucy’s teammate. I don’t think it even occurs to her. This is not say that SVS is above using appeal to emotion as wolf if it’s helpful. I just don’t think it looks like this.

In addition, the specific way she went about her lucy suspicion doesn’t resemble what id expect bussing to look like from SVS. She was begrudging when she stopped chasing lucy… it was not the behaviour of someone thankful to have an excuse to stop bussing a teammate, it was the behaviour of someone who disagreed but went along for the sake of giving someone she trusted a chance (specifically, me).

Also, I think SVS legit had me nailed as cop for ages and didn’t try to kill me for it n4/n5, I think that’s meaningful.

And additionally, having Kate’s townread to back my own up is meaningful.

I think, as a trio, SVS, Kate and I are all very used to each other and while we might tinfoil each other, and while we are all good at masking wolfplay, I think overall we have decent success at reading each other.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:54 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:46 pm Rondo I am not available at all times despite appearances to the contrary.
Nah I just thought it was day end and you were around last time

I’ll be around for a chunk of tomorrow but probably not the last half hour.

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

I’ve got substantial catch up to do, but the fact svs has voted this way is meaningful to me and if I went solely on my own gut and nothing else, Roxy seems wolfier to me than rondo or neon until I investigate further.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:53 pm Town

Me
Golden
SVS
Falcon
Splints

Everyone below is on the chopping block until further notice

Almost certainly town

Rondo
Seanzie

Roxy
Neon

This is pretty much exactly my rainbow list right now, all things considered.

Rondo I am not available at all times despite appearances to the contrary.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:35 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:12 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:36 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:13 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:08 pm [VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine

Seanzie and Falcon are raising some decent points. Dunno if I'd end the day here without more, call it a signal that I intend to dig in here too.
Roxy needs more pressure IMO
I don’t think Roxy responds to pressure, as such. One challenge we have with Roxy is that the days where she’s been least verbose are the ones where wolves died. There’s not a lot there to analyse.

I had been warded off Roxy by a lot of town support from people I have trust in, but I was pinged only day one by the way Roxy expressed her attempts to catch up. I’m not necessarily convinced town Roxy would put such a fine point on it. But I really want fingersplints and SVSs take on that.
In my mind, that's a point against her. Both those RDs vivax and Lucy had heat early, so ditching those RDs makes it far easier to avoid spew
There are RL reasons too, but it’s nice as a wolf when RL reasons provide cover for good strategy.
I did vote for Vivax. Are you even reading my posts? Falcon and Golden - read before you post. I posted all my votes in #4212 just a few posts up. I feel like someone is trying railroad me today and I do not like it.

I think if you have read all the thread you know that I have been reading your posts and taking them seriously.

What is your attitude towards bussing teammates? Would you do it?

I have the same top three as SVS, but a less defined order.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:36 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:13 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:08 pm [VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine

Seanzie and Falcon are raising some decent points. Dunno if I'd end the day here without more, call it a signal that I intend to dig in here too.
Roxy needs more pressure IMO
I don’t think Roxy responds to pressure, as such. One challenge we have with Roxy is that the days where she’s been least verbose are the ones where wolves died. There’s not a lot there to analyse.

I had been warded off Roxy by a lot of town support from people I have trust in, but I was pinged only day one by the way Roxy expressed her attempts to catch up. I’m not necessarily convinced town Roxy would put such a fine point on it. But I really want fingersplints and SVSs take on that.
In my mind, that's a point against her. Both those RDs vivax and Lucy had heat early, so ditching those RDs makes it far easier to avoid spew

There are RL reasons too, but it’s nice as a wolf when RL reasons provide cover for good strategy.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:57 pm Also what exactly is spew/anti spew?

Spew: Behaviour that tells people your wolfmates

Antispew: Talking less (particularly once you are caught) to prevent your teammates being revealed.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:26 pm Btw, although I can’t speak about or confirm or deny any peeks etc, I still do encourage analysis of my posts rather than vibes in this regard

I do think I’ve been cautious not to infodump so there’ll be different interpretations available, but I think there will be interpretations that make more or less sense.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:24 pm Rondo, Roxy & fingers all need more pressure to solve or be solved IMO

It’s really hard to see mata/vivax as compatible with splints
It’s really hard to see Lucy as compatible with splints

Seeing both of them collectively as compatible with splints would shock my socks right off my feet.

Btw, although I can’t speak about or confirm or deny any peeks etc, I still do encourage analysis of my posts rather than vibes in this regard

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:23 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:19 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:42 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:32 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:03 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:35 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:54 am

The first sentence is like, exactly what Maf would say after finally getting some kills thru...

And why was the last EOD weird? I actually felt we were finally coming together on things, working thru the minutae so to speak.

And then add that to their reaction to Golden moving off lucy...which at first gave me some tingles on Golden, but then engaging with him I started to feel where he was coming from.

That post is pinging me right out the gate
I guess no one says “RIP” anymore? I said I was sorry to see him go because I’m sorry to see him go. He was a great doctor, he prevented two kills and I’d guess died because he finally made some small pushback against Goldens case, and protected someone else when he should have protected himself.

And it was weird because a baddie outed themselves, gave up her strategy and tried to get someone to talk about why they suspected her and asked who the cop was.

You don’t think that’s weird?
I've seen Maf out themselves near EOD when their death seems certain, but it's not very often that's true.

Asking who the cop was in a sort of nonchalant way is not strange at all IMO, and probably her best bet to get some info for her team while doing the "good game, good game" handshake outro

I'm curious if you RIPd any of the other dead town this game
Nope I haven’t. Not even Kate who is a super good friend. But Scotty was the first power role. He did a super good job and I thought he at least deserved a salute.
Scotty knows I love him, but Imma save my Atta Boy til after Town wins
If I die, I give you permission to RIP me cause I like feeling valued
Well, since you've asked so nicely, I'd be happy to oblige.

But unless you're Maf, I'd rather we bring this game home with you alive.

Who are your top 3 suspects currently?

I know this isn’t directed at me, but I’m gonna answer it as well in a bit (I’ll let svs go first)

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:13 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:08 pm [VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine

Seanzie and Falcon are raising some decent points. Dunno if I'd end the day here without more, call it a signal that I intend to dig in here too.
Roxy needs more pressure IMO

I don’t think Roxy responds to pressure, as such. One challenge we have with Roxy is that the days where she’s been least verbose are the ones where wolves died. There’s not a lot there to analyse.

I had been warded off Roxy by a lot of town support from people I have trust in, but I was pinged only day one by the way Roxy expressed her attempts to catch up. I’m not necessarily convinced town Roxy would put such a fine point on it. But I really want fingersplints and SVSs take on that.

[VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine

Seanzie and Falcon are raising some decent points. Dunno if I'd end the day here without more, call it a signal that I intend to dig in here too.

Atta boy Scotty. Your wool really was the finest of the fine.

If it’s Roxy, and she made a post reminding me to let other thread voices be heard more which was quite impactful yesterday in me feeling like I should be listening to SVS on Lucy, that would be ironic to me.

@fingersplints you haven’t played with Roxy in ages. And, she vouched for you very hard, early. before you started reciprocating. What do you think are the odds you could’ve wrong?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:34 pm I'll just sit here twiddlin' my thumbs until you all figure it out.

You’re like an 8-year old Mara Wilson.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:35 am Although it is to be noted mafia make those RIP posts too. Golden was like “noooooooo splints how can life be so cruel I will avenge you my friend” after he killed me in the anniversary game so

@Golden

100% lol I did some really good avenging too

When I’m host I will be bringing back posts with instructions. I loved having everyone have to say ‘so say we all’ in BSG.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:21 am
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:25 am Also, if SVS is wolf that means she called me out as trying to ‘shame her’ for sussing her own wolfmate, ie she was faking that guilt. That feels really unlikely to me, that emotion felt genuine and it’s hard to see why wolf SVS would be upset with me for pushing her away from a read on her own teammate instead of just taking the gift.

Also she had a run to suspect lucy but push Falcon because I was twinning Falcon/vivax yesterday and she passed that up.

And then got upset with me again for what she perceived as risking the outcome.

I don’t see it.
Wolves can play well, so I don't think the emotion is unfakeable...and in fact, it makes sense as she had tried hard all day to get lucy exed which would be excllent town cred..so, you coming in and possibly buggering that all up when she has you pocketed? Makes sense

The first part is the important part.

Mind you, if I was the wolf, svs died on night one lol

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:22 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:15 am
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:10 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:06 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty

I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?
Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis
I picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.

Next question. Why is SVS alive?
They’ve only had three kills, and doc avoidance makes picking harder. Perhaps svs was even the kill attempt night 2
I mean. Why would you kill Scotty over SVS after SVS had an unwavering push on scum that killed them.

I'd kill SVS last night thinking they were possibly cop no?
This is a good point

I disagree.

As a wolf with a doc in the game, the first rule is not killing the most obvious doc target.

If I was the lone wolf remaining, I’d have been assuming a doc save today and aiming to kill SVS tomorrow instead.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:18 am That wouldn't kill Scotty... unless I'm an idiot.

No, it would kill no one.

And the wolfteam have already been burned twice on that front.

But also, I think copshooting is a good angle, and I do think looking at who might copshoot scotty is worth doing.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:15 am
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:10 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:06 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty

I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?
Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis
I picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.

Next question. Why is SVS alive?
They’ve only had three kills, and doc avoidance makes picking harder. Perhaps svs was even the kill attempt night 2
I mean. Why would you kill Scotty over SVS after SVS had an unwavering push on scum that killed them.

I'd kill SVS last night thinking they were possibly cop no?

If I had to guess, I’d bet scotty was protecting SVS last night.

That’s why.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty

I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?
Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

I think I’d have those three exactly reversed.

For me SVS saying I was trying to guilt her for wolfreading Lucy when I asked lucy if she was neurodiverse, is an inordinately large hurdle to cross for me now that lucy has wolf flipped.

I think the only reason SVS says that is because I actually did make her feel bad. And I don’t think she feels bad if it’s her wolfmate.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:06 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty

I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?
Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis
I picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.

Next question. Why is SVS alive?

They’ve only had three kills, and doc avoidance makes picking harder. Perhaps svs was even the kill attempt night 2

Wilgy might be a savant.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:03 am
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:59 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am I disagree. Lying is lame. But. That's just my feelings.
Meh, Kate had a whole exchange with me earlier in the game where she knew I was lying/withholding and couldn’t see my angle.

My angle is that I was cop.

Of course I should have a good lie ready about my angle. But it was also partial truth… just not whole truth.
Just say your angle is baiting, it works for me

I mean in essence that’s true.

Oh, rondo, super early in your entry you said ‘one of neon/golden is wolf’

What we’re you thinking back then? I asked you why we couldn’t be t/t and I didn’t get an answer.

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