The Syndicate

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:30 pm Yeah I’ll see if I can’t get them done this weekend. I’ve been having issues since moving. We still don’t have internet in the house and apparently won’t until the 24th.

This is soooo normal. You tell the ISP when you're moving in because they require you to give them advanced notice, but it makes no odds because it takes them 2 weeks to get things done anyway.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:57 am What a great game Golden and TH. I'll never trust either of you again but thats ok.

I hate rolling bad for this reason. It screws my ability to build trusting town cores for ages. But, you know, when I actually am town it's still worth trusting me!

That TH dude though - he's seriously dodgy

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:16 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:10 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:07 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:03 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:01 pm Did DH try to get Golden's ship to mutiny?

I did not.

Interesting, why try to get TH's ship to mutiny but not Golden's, especially if you knew he was bad?

I didn't see the point, and wanted to focus rather on getting INH his win.

ok, so you didn't want to be captain anymore? I mean, wasn't that the point of trying to get the Yun Qui to mutiny? I'm just trying to understand what changed.

Different times and different conditions. I didn't see the value in a mutiny against Golden. Aside from how difficult it would've been to get him lynched vs. TH, it would have risked him intentionally failing the mission to mess with INH.

The point of the Yun Qui mutiny was to get TH lynched.

I would not have done anything to jeopardise INHs mission. That's just not me. I'll help anyone who doesn't jeopardise my win con under the assumption they'd do the same for me.

For me INH's win, and helping him into it, would have been something akin to a consolation prize if we lost.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:15 pm

Sanggolden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:33 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:16 pm This is mafia, no captain is good enough to avoid suspicion of being a baddie.

If the captain selects their team well, they might get a crew of people who can meta-read them well. For this reason I'm actually quite keen to be a captain. I think it's worth trying to put people in who might use it to the town's advantage if good but also be caught if bad.

Although I read down the player list and it's absent of the people like daisy and MP that can read me best. But I think there's still some that can.

Golden is the burglar.

Called shot. I am the master of Golden's meta

The funny thing is that I see you as a completely different person in actual mafia and other stuff. You are Negan to me in things like the Genius and Survivor but in Mafia you are more like Mr Fluffles the friendly neighbourhood cat.

Sorry for deceiving you glorf. I could never have let you be alive at the end to have to make the call. When you subbed out we were very close to killing you because I was asking my team to. I felt so mean!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:47 am

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:40 am DDL, I really enjoyed watching your town game knowing you were town, you were formidable.

Oh, and that post from speedchuck pretty much laying my motives for every action bare. Yeesh.

Thanks man.

Good game here. It really came down close and either side could have won.

The crew mechanic really decided it though, I think the civs would have won it it wasn't here. Chicka Chicka effect is fucking real.

Real thanks for hosting this, Daisy and Mac.

It’s a funny thing. I think I would have picked the same people as town and stick hard to my guns defending them, pitting only myself or glorf on the poll, probably myself. And that would have accurately protected suspected civs like you and marmot and speed.

I do think the mechanics can go both ways, but it depends who you let dictate how they are used. A person can actively and firmly push the game in favour of one side or the other with it, that’s what TH did so successfully.

DDL, I really enjoyed watching your town game knowing you were town, you were formidable.

Oh, and that post from speedchuck pretty much laying my motives for every action bare. Yeesh.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:44 am I will play like 3 games a year tops

This is about where I should be but I dare say I’ll tip the scales just over that.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:47 am As mafia we winged this whole game. We had no plan whatsoever.

Because plans are how you get caught.

DDL really was wrong thinking I didn’t want to lynch TH. I was giving it everything I had.

Tho is my favourite post of the game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:47 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:31 pm Yeah, screw it. Golden is bad. We've been on to you for a while and you keep weaseling your way out of the spotlight with your supatown reputation. I'm done falling for the act. We should have lynched you and your buddies days ago and we can't afford to let you last longer.

If yall wanna jump on Golden I guess I'd do that.

You know Golden is destined to flip town here right? Like this is just a bunch of people hoping to get their revenge on him for years of owning you.

Turnip Head said that he has spoken at length about his scum read of Golden.
I asked him to point at the good bits and his just made a new post summarising a vague read.
Nutella offers no argument.
You just sheep vote.

I would love to be able to contribute to a correct lynch of Golden (it'd be a dream come true for me) but this one is a witch hunt, pure and simple.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:37 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:33 am Best Mafia Team Victory better be a tie between this and FE.

And there are some fascinating parallels tbh. The hard-bus strat is real. Plus it doesn't hurt to have someone with a high post count who appears supatown (though we managed to keep Golden under pressure this game, speedunya was pretty universally towncleared until the end of FE lol)

Being blocked at work is incredibly limiting. It really hurt.

You know s game is an all time great when people name their user rank after it tbh

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:08 am Check out my shiny new user rank.

Omg that quote was amazing

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:03 am I got gangbanged on day 1 for daring to shit post troll Golden. The Cult of Golden is alive here.

Not alive enough to lynch TH though

Any proper research would tell you it’s bull. But if you just went to my greatest hits...

Here the point where you should have lynched me...

Like I’m ever giving away a ‘I post less as scum’ tell if it’s real.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:55 am Golden was so bad and no one believed me

Stand in line. No one would believe me about you first.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:58 pm Golden = lawyer
Golden says dude
...
Golden = scum?

Canon

Don’t tell me my tells Mac. I’ll use em against you.

DH you caught me for not bussing.

The irony.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:48 am I can only do so much people I'm one man. One very talented very handsome man.

Next time I start the game by saying ‘can we kill someone in that inh/dh block’ people shouldn’t go ‘but they’re so much fun to play with’

You also won a coin flip with Luna at one point too.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:47 am I could've won the game tbh if I had been quicker to give DDL the item that restarts the day if he got lynched. Oh well. Didn't notice the fuckin poll in time.

I forgot about that one.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:45 am

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:44 am By the way DDL, DH...

We had three kill chances a night ago. We used the other two on Epi and DH assuming DDL has the redirect.

We also killed epi assuming DDL would pass it to DH

But I’m actually phenomenally amazed you had the iron will to hold it to the very end.

I have the redirect tho.

I know

I just wish one of those two kills landed. Today might have been a lot easier.

By the way DDL, DH...

We had three kill chances a night ago. We used the other two on Epi and DH assuming DDL has the redirect.

We also killed epi assuming DDL would pass it to DH

But I’m actually phenomenally amazed you had the iron will to hold it to the very end.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:28 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:46 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:32 pm4 1 7

the 4th, 1st, and 7th players on the first page player list are Enrique, DFaraday, and Golden. Game. Solved.

shout out to when i outed my entire team

By accident lol.

Can I go on my apology tour? Sorry for breaking you nut.

And you deserved the win, as did many civs. This was a game where no one deserved to lose.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:25 am

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:23 am Oops sorry DH looks like you bragged about taking all five down just a little too early.

:o

Honestly though fam you’re so much fun to play with.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:21 am I think we can all agree Epi cost the civilians the game there.

Perhaps you should have made it a little less appetising to shoot Epi instead of you.

Oops sorry DH looks like you bragged about taking all five down just a little too early.

Well played peoples.

Stop celebrating guys. My vote was controlled.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:34 pm You fuckin know I'm down for it

You’d be down for lynching DH

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:23 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:21 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:19 pm So I assume we all think DH is trolling or something?

I think we can assume he’s lying at this point. Trolling? Maybe not so much.

Why would I lie about this? I left crumbs all day today asking Epi about how he handled the gun, and questioning why he'd lie detect me.

I have a theory, but I’d prefer to leave you to it rather than blow it up.

If you’re being honest there’s a lot I can’t make sense of.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:19 pm So I assume we all think DH is trolling or something?

I think we can assume he’s lying at this point. Trolling? Maybe not so much.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:41 pm After that game, the players had to be taken to a mental institution, and were never seen or heard from again.

This is spot on.

If epi is telling the truth, DH has no good reason to lie.

Let’s say Epi was lying

1) Why if he’s good?
2) Why if he’s bad?

I think the key to this is motive.

If he’s good I could have seen his claim as trying to get people to self admit. But if TH and Epi aren’t bad together, why wouldn’t TH call him out if he wasn’t planning with juliets?

If he’s bad it gets even more complicated. Why townclear DH? To be teammates? Fine, but why would DH then fuck that up?

I’m struggling to make sense of the motives for both Epi and DH and have them harmonise.

Literally no one including me has investigated an Epi/DH team and now I cannot.

But I don’t see the need for theatrics now if that’s the case. They’d already have won.

DH, I don’t understand why you’d wait for 90 minutes to go until the lynch?

Also, there’s all the stuff about Epi discussing it’s use with juliets.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:25 pm Ok this is confusing

On multiple levels. My brain is going through permutations.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:07 pm I know Epi didn't buy the lie detector because I did.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:02 pm Fact 1: Epi doesn't hard bus.

Fact 2: Golden doesn't hard bus.

Fact 3: One of the statements above is not true.

This is where I am right now.

Epi says he doesn’t bus at all.

Now... which of epis bussing would you describe as a hard bus? Enrique?

Lol ‘somehow has you as the fourth most arrogant’

Well my arrogance is an act. I learn a lot from how people choose to interact with me, and getting reactions is meaningful.

I don’t gave an issue with you finding it plausible provided you find it plausible for what it actually is. Does that make sense?

Like - if you believe I’d do a hard bus, that’s one thing. But if you think it’s there because you’re missing the full narrative, that’s what it’s my job to address.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:10 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:09 pm The die gets rolledto see what overall effect the item will have, then it is randomized who the effect will apply to.

Thanks.

Damn, you win then Golden.

TH can be mafia with Epi.

This isn’t about winning an argument about a grenade. It’s about being accurate as much as possible in reaching any assumptions.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:46 pm Alright Golden time out.

Before this gets personal, let me tell you I do acknoledge your effort in winning this game. I'm just questioning whether that effort is aimed at making TH get lynched, or if it's aimed at looking like you wanted to lynch TH.

I'm not denying the effort you have made in playing this game, but your intentions.

Sorry.

And if you read my iso properly, you cannot in good conscience reach your conclusions about that. And I can’t fucking iso myself before day end on my phone to prove it to you. But I would if I could.

I pointed out very carefully how aspects of your narrative that allows you to paint my approach to TH that way rely on things like saying I ‘get on a cfd’ when it’s actually the result of me pleading people to listen.

You have no idea how impossible it was for me to get traction. I worked fucking hard to that end and you pull a couple of quotes and say it’s evidence of the opposite. It’s not. They’re taken out of context from moments where despite me pushing for TH I am not getting traction.

Stop tunnelling and answer this question.

You think x is bad. Everyone disagrees. You fight and get nowhere. Do you

A) continue fighting and spend all your effort on that one thing; or
B) use your theory of the game to find who is stopping you from gaining traction, who is overtly or subtly defending it helping your suspect etc.

Because you are saying that B is sign that there’s no intent but at all times I was very open about exactly what I was seeing. The intent is there for the world.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:44 pm There is a difference in how it's done, but you don't necessarily have to repeat same method every time.

The method I am describing, assuming I am right, is also pretty good.

The method you’re describing isn’t present in the game.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:23 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:49 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:27 pmHe attacks TH a lot, but it's not until Day 4 that he becomes his main suspect. Day 3 he's basically mentioning other peeople while throwing jabs at TH, until someone starts a CFD on TH and he acts like a little boy who just got a surprise candy. Then he becomes more adamant about wanting TH's head, but it's not real tunneling, and we have that point I made ages ago where it seemed like the two were badmouthing each other without engaging directly.

And btw - this is not the post of someone who is engaging properly with my iso. To be fair on day three I did spend a bit of time on defence of my captaincy style, but other than that I couldn't have been more clear who I wanted out.

On day three I was very clear about TH from the very start with stuff like this:

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:35 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:13 am Turnip Head
Dr Wilgy
Dharmaplayer
Enrique
Insertnamehere
Glorfindel

Leaving Lapluie out of this beautiful rainbow list. I wouldn't lynch there though since she's getting replaced.

My rainbow list for this poll is literally the exact inverse of this.

I had already spent all day two after TH and failed. Also, someone did not just 'start a cfd on TH and I jumped on'.

Someone else (Enrique, as it happened) said he'd vote with me. He was the first person to say it. I went on. This was at least a full 24 hours before the lynch, not a CFD at all. It was just a glimmer of hope for me that maybe someone would listen.

And no-one else really did.

So I ended up voting for Wilgy the next day - but in my Wilgy vote post I still spent the time beseeching people to read TH before day's end in case there was any shot I could get the vote back to TH. And I kept pushing and pushing.

And then the dam broke and people started going that way and yes, I was like a kid in a candy store at that moment because it felt like people were finally listening. And then in the end it didn't happen. But I fucking damn well wanted it to.

And if anyone can't read the honesty in exchanges like this, I don't know what more I can say:

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:17 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:15 pm Yo Dharma wanna put our shit on pause and take out Goldenboy?

Yo TH wanna recruit the people I’ve scumread and use them as allies just because it’s an easy way to take out a threat to you?

I’m not on the poll.

You cannot read day three and come out with any other conclusion but one of these two:

1) I was a townie who genuinely wanted TH dead; or
2) It was an extremely hard bus.

This analysis that he was not my main suspect before day 4 isn't even close to the truth.

Never said I was engaging properly. I don't have fun in doing this, so I did it to the point I felt unimpressed about your effort to lynch TH and decided to point it out.

My problem is that, while you have suspected TH all game, before day 4 you haven't made a huge effort engaging him, pushing for him, voting for him. You do when other people propose it. That's a great way to bus, because you can say you have attacked him all game, which you did, but not make the effort to get it done. It's easy to say he is your big suspect and vote for someone else, or not vote at all and wait to be the second on his wagon. Or propose a cfd on nutella when he's finally getting lynched. That stuff. Your actions don't mind your rainbow lists.

In that sense Epi has a point, because while he did spend way fewer words than you pushing the members of mafia, he was there when we needed someone to get them lynched.

Ok but this just isn’t true. I pushed trying to lynch TH hard. Not to the exclusion of anything else, but your assessment is just flat out wrong.

You take stuff I did out of context. For instance, the cfd nutella was NOT as I was about to get him lynched, it was much earlier when the day was shaping up as being between you and Enrique and based directly on interactions between Nutella and TH.

To say that I ‘didn’t make the effort to get it done’ - well, look, this isn’t a direct criticism of you, but this is exactly why I have to play less mafia. I put so much effort into getting it done that I was posting about TH at work while I didn’t have time to. I could not get it done! His Yun Qui crew wouldn’t begin to engage it even entertain the possibility. You’re trying to say I couldn’t get it done as though the sensible thing to do as a civilian is sit by yourself on the same person alone and do nothing else but talk about him.

No, I went looking for teammates and evidence.

I’d just like to point out my record here. I was there on day two but no one else was with me. I was there on day three and stayed there until the end. I was there on day four but could get zero traction despite the fact I had some the day before, so picked a place that mattered. And when I jumped off at the end of day 5 I hit an actual baddie.

Your concept of what happened is entirely false... I didn’t back off TH, I didn’t hit him softly, I didn’t pussyfoot around him. I called him out constantly from days zero through five and if there was any chance where it looked like I was getting any traction I took it. And even when I was getting zero traction I was still pleading with other influencers, like Mac and nutella, to actually go read TH and try and see him through my eyes.

There is no narrative in which this was anything less than full hearted and you can’t see that unless you’re choosing to when reading my iso.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:35 pm You are so good at bussing you could write a book about it. And I'd buy it. You basically taught me how to bus.

Not because you outright vote for teammates as soon as the day starts, but you have the sense of timing to know when it's the best time to do it, and how to make it look legit.

This is my exact point.

And no, I didn’t bus three, I bussed two, and I did it because they were going down anyway and I do have a great sense of timing and how to make it legit.

I don’t create the wagon out of nothing an push it for days though. You should go look back at economics to see the difference.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:54 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:36 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:02 pm @Spacedaisy could you please answer my question about the grenade? ,

GJ Flashkill Pod Grenades - 1 time use on another crew, (1) Random kill, (2-3) Random skill set
block, (4-5) Random vote block, (6) All items destroyed

Thank you. But my doubt is: does the die get rolled once for every player in the crew, or do you only pick a single member and then roll the die for them?

I think the word ‘random’ implies the die is rolled to pick an event, and then if it says ‘random’ one person is chosen at random to experience the effect.

Sorry point number 2.

I just don’t hard bus. It’s stupid