The Syndicate

Really pleased I got to play this game. My only regret is that I never had opportunity to get a peek behind the setup curtain (eg items etc).

Thanks for hosting epi. As always, your games are so much fun to play.

DFaraday wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:The daisy vote seems to be coming from the mindset that the YT's are inactive as opposed to dead, which I'm not too fond of but I'm not going to fault it.

I'm okay with a sig vote, but what's the case against Dunny?

I'm not fond of it either, and look with suspicion upon the person pushing it, who mostly seems to be Scotty, who I already didn't trust. I think Scotty is YT.

Even when we had known YT's alive, their kill rate was low. I think there is some pre-condition to be met for their kill to go through.

The Turbans are already at a numbers disadvantage to begin with, I doubt they'd have a prerec on top of that. I think it's more likely they just haven't been sending them in. I'm going to go ahead and vote Lorab and Daisy.

All three of them have secrets. We really don't know how much of a disadvantage they may or may not be at, but I fully expect that they at least have the ability to recruit to some extent (Epi isn't likely to create unbalanced mafia teams).

Quin wrote:The daisy vote seems to be coming from the mindset that the YT's are inactive as opposed to dead, which I'm not too fond of but I'm not going to fault it.

I'm okay with a sig vote, but what's the case against Dunny?

I'm not fond of it either, and look with suspicion upon the person pushing it, who mostly seems to be Scotty, who I already didn't trust. I think Scotty is YT.

Even when we had known YT's alive, their kill rate was low. I think there is some pre-condition to be met for their kill to go through.

I think there are signs that sig is nanman, so I prefer that to a dunny vote. I prefer dunny to daisy, because there is actually a chance daisy returns to contribute, but since others raise points about the chance she is yt (which, to me, seem to apply to most of the absentees...) I went with popular opinion.

Sig and daisy.

Spacedaisy wrote:Seriously folks, I clearly have not been able to even be around, how have I not been lynched yet?

*votes self and the lowest poster aside from herself*

Because you are low on people's list to lynch of the people who are not even around. There are still 6 left. And I personally plan to vote others of them who I think have shown some hint of being bad (like sig) before you.

I spy a daisy! Yay!

Zuo Ci wrote:I have never known such intense drama as this. It is exhilarating.

No sarcasm intended.

Boomslang wrote:

Zuo Ci wrote:Four souls yet breathe who have declared fealty to the nameless one. Nature quakes in anticipation for their testimony. Let loose the guilt within, and I will listen. I am compassionate to your folly.

Boomslang, dear child, your fealty was to the nameless one and also his rodent spirit animal. You must let your words free.

The prefect votes were eons ago in game time, and I really didn't give them much thought. As I said, I voted MM for out-of-game reasons and INH because his banner looked cool :P You can choose to believe me or not, but that's the truth. You'll also note I was first to vote INH yesterday, which turned out pretty well.

I don't see a high likelihood of a baddie voting two separate teammates for prefect. Seems pretty bold.

I guess it's possible, but I don't find the idea compelling.

Scotty wrote:Oh, and for a change of pace...

I think LoRab's vote yesterday looks weak as hell. She had not mentioned INH before placing her pile-on vote.

What say you, Golden?

High on content and contributory, but she has done a couple of things that hit my pingometer. I have not trusted her in a while.

Nutella, if scotty is interpreting your ability to be on MPs team based on your voting, it's obvious he is missing the glaring fact that MP spent his entire time in the game trying to duel against you. No-one is going to literally suggest they duel their own baddie teammate. That makes no sense.

I only read what I'm here for.

Scotty wrote:

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:Tell me, if I am bad, which team am I on and why?

One of the bad ones, because it's the PM epi sent you.

I'm not all up in the theory of the game so much this time, and really I'm just looking for things that look bad. But I'd probably guess the Turbans is slightly more likely. Maybe you are continuing MP's vendetta.

See, I could understand the YT. So far, the only revealed player is Mp, and I hardcore thought he was civ.

I've been all over INH since like Day 4, so I would find it incredibly dumb objectively to label me as his teammate. Even less likely than Nutella being MP's teammate.

Thanks for the snark, but my question of "why" was a serious one.

My response was also a serious one. I am judging you based on your behaviour that I find suspicious, not my 'theory of the game', so I don't have a theory about why you are on a specific team.

I do, however, agree with you that YT is more likely (as I noted)... the fact you admit it is... interesting. Maybe a slightly good look on you.

Scotty wrote:Tell me, if I am bad, which team am I on and why?

One of the bad ones, because it's the PM epi sent you.

I'm not all up in the theory of the game so much this time, and really I'm just looking for things that look bad. But I'd probably guess the Turbans is slightly more likely. Maybe you are continuing MP's vendetta.

Why would he be allowed to say anything about that life that he knows for sure. Remember you not the prisoners in Turf Wars? And I very much doubt that people in whatever after life chat room he might have are allowed to say their roles anyway.

Go read nutella - she was in on voting MM from start to finish that day and never seemed to equivocate about where her vote was going, so the timing of her vote seems somewhat irrelevant. Someone who wasn't is sig.

Scotty wrote:Day 8 looks the best, but it only give me slight pause. Even a bad person votes for teammates at some point.

True. But rarely at every point. And what about her thread content?

Scotty wrote:ALSO even more importantly: we know a Nanman is still alive (only 3 of 5 are confirmed dead) and active enough to be submitting kills. So that handy little list that Golden posted of people not active in the past 10 days is looking good that they have a terrible chance of being Nanman.

How would that logic have worked on the inh front? There is still every possibility that a Nanman or a Yellow Turban could be included in that list.

In any event - I didn't say 'lets lynch all these people' - I just wanted to sort out who they were. I don't know what I want to do about it right now.

As for you being bitter about people voting for you - you've gone something like more than a week and you manage to say things in the thread but one thing you just can't do is actually address the suspicion on you, so you deserve the votes you've gotten.

In this game nutella has lynched every successfully lynched member of the nanmans, and only one looks like a potential bus (the rest she seems on quite early). MP of the yellow turbans was out for her blood from the start until his death.

So why should we be out to get her? Doesn't that look like someone who is the definition of most likely not to be bad?

Scotty wrote:Now let's get Nutella.

Why?

Even if I'm wrong about Zuo Ci being Jay, I think he is most likely a representative of the collective dead and in this sense I'd call the role inherently town leaning.

Also, well done on inh. Noting here that both inh and MM voted Wilgy for prefect.

I'm not sure, exactly, but I think so. Zuo Ci has some posts from before we revealed Jay's identity, which I think were possibly Epignosis. Did you notice that it was Zuo Ci who revealed Jay's role, not Epignosis? And that this created a change from speaking in normal type to Italics. It's someone who has enough flair to roleplay - someone whose suspects align to those of Jay - and someone who specifically called out my 'disdain for prefects', which I think was done intentionally (by Jay) to make me realise the real identity.

Of course, this is just my opinion, but I currently think that Zuo Ci is Jay. I don't know if it's Jay come back to take part in the game on his own account though. It's possible that he represents the dead generally and that (for instance) the people he voted for yesterday were those who got the most votes from among the dead.

Am I correct in labelling the following people as absent (as in, not posting or voting for at least ten days)

Bullzeye
Dunny
Jan
Leetic
Nerolunar
sig
Spacedaisy

I'm guessing that the messages are coming from someone you listed as bad, that isn't.

I don't think Zuo Ci is Zhang Bao. I think he is Jay.

Quin wrote:oh

I trust Zuo Ci.

I had to vote.

Scotty because I suspect him.

INH over sig because INH already has a vote.

Feel the disdain for prefects! It is real!

Zuo Ci wrote:You of the golden glow, I would invite you into my home. We may eat from my garden and exchange words. I would know of your disdain for those who have attained prefecture; I would perceive the roots of your feelings which you bear before us now.

MMM, yes, I suppose I do have disdain for the living prefects

Sloonei wrote:Would anyone be down for Lynch A Lurker today? We've got a lot of names to choose from in that category.

I'm very much down for inh and sig, any other lurkers you have in mind?

I'm still partial to a scotty vote, too.

Don't be silly, Quin.

I've seen you using at least sixth grade English.

Don't get me wrong... it's not that I'm not enjoying the game, and I love epi's theming always. It's just that I don't want to get too invested in a game that I might have to stop playing if the baby comes, because otherwise I won't stop playing, and my wife will be upset.

Elohcin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Elohcin wrote:okay, yup....I totally messed that one up. I think I will go back to not talking.

Quesiton though - why am I suspicious for listening to you when it comes to Simon. Don't you think it is fair for me to expect you to have the best read?

Yes. I do think I would be best to know if Simon is good or bad. But the way you backed off so quickly makes me think you didn't have much of a theory for him being bad in the first place. Who throws out accusations without much substance? Baddies do.

I think it was very clear that the accusation had little substance from the start, so I find it odd that you would only notice how little substance it had because I listened to you. I've admitted to the fact I'm not reading the thread, and I would say the only suspicion I've had with any substance at all is the one of Scotty. That's something like 14 votes I've made that lack any substance at all.

Elohcin wrote:okay, yup....I totally messed that one up. I think I will go back to not talking.

Quesiton though - why am I suspicious for listening to you when it comes to Simon. Don't you think it is fair for me to expect you to have the best read?

You voted Jay.

Looking back, I think what you got confused about is who I voted and who LoRab voted. We both voted Glorfindel.

Wrong. I voted for glorfindel.

I turned around on Simon because I defer to someone (you) whose opinion I think is unlikely to be wrong about Simon, ever.

I did think Jay was bad, true.

I also think anyone who wants to turn Jay's civilian reveal into a witch hunt is taking advantage of events. I doubt any baddies would be in a hurry to 'paint Jay as bad'.

I can't see any reason why Sorsha would be a bad choice.

Went with glorfindel. For me this struck the best balance of getting a positive result if its a rezz and knowing his role if thats what it is.

Scotty, to be clear, the point isn't that suspecting me isn't logical, the point was that your post wasn't logical.

I'd soonest rez Glorfindel.
I'd soonest find out Jay's role.

I struggle to know which I'd prefer to do knowing that we could get either.

I can't play much this day phase, realistically I probably won't be able to check in again. I'm not sure if scotty has replied to me yet but I have to vote. I'll give scotty time and vote for a couple of people that aren't apparently here and playing.

Inh and sig.

nijuukyugou wrote:a bachelorette thing

@scotty - no worries. It's not like my vote matters today. Hopefully you get to it in the next day phase.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Golden wrote:I'm townreading bass too. I won't be voting that way.

Scotty said he would get back to responding to my points, but he never did.

Elo's points about simon have led me to drop my simon suspicion.

I'm voting for scotty and DDL.

No vote me against DDL.

I've decided not to vote for people because they ask for it. It gets too confusing. I completely understand the move (I perform it myself sometimes!!!) but when there are so many different people who ask for it it's harder for me to make sense of. But my votes are already cast anyway. One of them was going to scotty, so I wouldn't have ever voted both you and DDL.

I'm townreading bass too. I won't be voting that way.

Scotty said he would get back to responding to my points, but he never did.

Elo's points about simon have led me to drop my simon suspicion.

I'm voting for scotty and DDL.

Sloonei wrote:Does anyone have a town read on DDL?

No.

DDL, inh, scotty... all people I could vote for.

I'm re-evaluating simon given elo's recent posts.

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:Pretty sure nutella isn't bad, and she has already posted pretty good evidence as to why.

Also, I agree with the green DF read.

The only places I read nutella's list and felt disagreement were russti and lorab. I have russti as town, and I don't trust lorab quite as much (but wouldn't say she is a big suspect either).

Who do you feel most inclined to vote for today and why?

Scotty and simon, because they seem most bad.

I remember the gist of the Simon case and could get behind that. I've seen no reason to suspect Scotty in this game. And I should remind everyone that I am certified as a professional Baddie Scotty Finder.

You should really read that random post he made earlier.

Elohcin wrote:@Golden....I am not sure about this time with so many players, but I don't think Epi ever randomizes his roles like many hosts do. I think that is part of the fun as being a host.

I'm certain he never fully randomises, but does that mean he would never make Simon bad or Simon would never want to be bad? Do you think it very likely that Simon would roll town in an Epi game?

Elohcin wrote:And Golden, FWIW, I think you are wrong about Simon. I mean, I could be wrong. But he's NINE! I think he was just here to fill a spot to get the huge game started. I think he is just along for the ride too.

That is significant, elo. I was going to ask you what you thought, but felt like you might feel compromised giving an answer.

I know he is nine, but that doesn't stop him rolling bad sometimes. I'm not expecting big contributions or anything, so it's not based on the fact his posts aren't giving detailed suspicions. It just felt like there was a kind of joy in the early posts.

Yeah, that's the way I read it elo, at the time.