The Syndicate

From an external perspective, I have to disagree FZ. I was never sure if you were bad or not, I could have seen you slip through. And the cop gambit was pulled off to perfection.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I was so mad when I drew mafia in my Vompatti game. I really intended to do that the entire game and only stopped because I was bad and wanted to support my teammates better.

I was so ready to phone it in if I'd been a civilian.

I put a lot of thought into your Vomping. Trying to figure out if this was really Jay Vomping as best as possible, or if there was a little too much effort for that and it was indicative of you being bad. I also thought about the fact you were moving into a mafia break...

In the end I discarded all of it. It was influencing me reading you just based on the thread.

Sloonei wrote:Good game, folks. And thanks for making my first MoD experience a breeze.

I might need you now after it turns out Jay is literally Houdini.

nutella wrote:I didn't really follow this game at all after I got lynched but wow. JJJ and Dizzy can be baddies?? That's possible??

Congrats guys.

There is no way I was letting you get lynched if I'd been around on that day one. Biggest travesty in the game. People still don't seem to get you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:And definitely was a great game, Floyd, thanks for hosting! I loved it while I was alive, and it was intriguing to watch ever since.

It's been one of the most eventful heists I can remember. It kept me genuinely engaged until I subbed in, and then it was just as exciting afterwards.

Epignosis wrote:If 3J is alive at endgame, lynch him. Simple, really.

We tried!

No hard feelings marmot. I feared that CFD could happen, but because Jay had already gone I thought the time had past and that Jay had decided to live with whatever outcome came. They didn't need to win the game today. But if you had have been around and joined us on Jay, it would have been epic.

You have no idea the sense of loss I feel at Jay not getting off the plane and finding out I'd done a CFD on him. It will go down as one of the tragedies of my mafia career.

Dyslexicon wrote:What's MVP?

Who was the best player in the game?

Oh, also, why did you kill MP? I thought that kill was strange.

Floyd, adding my voice to those saying you did a great hosting job. I hope we see a bit more of you

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:Dammit, I ALWAYS thought it was dizzy and Jay.

I was trying to position myself to survive the night and nail jay at second lylo.

I'm soooo bummed that they were ahead of us.

I'm soooo bummed that marmot didn't do what I said!

Oh really? That's good play! You would've been keeled though.
What inspired the vote change?

I would have? Damn. I thought I'd played well to survive.

From my perspective it didn't matter whether you or jay died. All that mattered was that you perceived I saw your teammate as inh, and Jay's as marmot, so I made it to the last day.

What inspired the shift, though, was just the idea of being responsible for lynching mafia jay. I left it as late as possible until I felt sure he wouldn't be around. I thought I had you convinced that I wouldn't see you as bad if you voted Jay with me. It all just fit.

Fucking hell, Jay. Even when I think I have you dead to rights and you won't see me coming, you still outwit me.

You should have been playing Survivor mafia after this performance tbh.

insertnamehere wrote:

Golden wrote:It was dizzy and Jay?

Wow.

I told you it was dizzy.

hence the context of my posts.

not sure what jay's game plan was here.

i blame marmot for all of this

Jay's game plan was perfect. I thought mine was better. I believed Jay had gone.

Dammit, I ALWAYS thought it was dizzy and Jay.

I was trying to position myself to survive the night and nail jay at second lylo.

I'm soooo bummed that they were ahead of us.

I'm soooo bummed that marmot didn't do what I said!

We were fucked just from marmot not coming back.

I told him to move that vote!

It was dizzy and Jay?

Wow.

I told you it was dizzy.

insertnamehere wrote:well golden

at least we're stupid together.

I have to say, part of this for me was 'I never seem to end up working WITH inh'.

It feels good. Whatever happens, happens.

insertnamehere wrote:would you be willing to go marmot instead of 3j, golden?

If we're going big, go big. I've never lynched jay before

I'll be honest, I think the team is probably dizzy/inh.

I think you're probably both playing me here right now, and I'm going to look incredibly stupid.

That's what I believe is going on.

But you guys are here, and jay and marmot are not. And Jay wanting the day wrapped up early is something I made note of in my mind.

If you guys are town and Jay is bad, this is going to be one of the most epic turnarounds ever.

So... yolo?

I might just be up for a stupid CFD.

I mean, if we do all three vote for Jay, and dizzy is lying and is bad, dizzy you have to know you can never play this card again and I will nail you to the wall in any future game where you try it...

Well, what do you think of a jay vote, inh?

insertnamehere wrote:That's the difference between you and me, Golden.

I'm not afraid to feel incredibly stupid.

I think being afraid of being stupid is what has made me a successful mafia player.

Here's where I'm at dizzy...

Either you're bad, or it's marmot/jay.

If I change my vote to a marmot/jay team and it's not them, I'll feel incredibly stupid.

If I don't and you are town, I'll say 'dizzy looked worst, at lylo you have to vote who looked worst, thems the breaks'.

So, as much as there is a part of my brain that says 'why don't the three of us suddenly turn on and vote out jay...' and yes, that part is definitely there...

I just can't sub in this late, have this little time, and make such a huge statement move and see it cost the town the game. I already did that in Parks and Rec.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

Then why am I voting for you?

I'm going to keep my vote on you in pure flair and spite.

Coolios. If you're town, you weren't going to win by getting me lynched either, so we're equally wrong. If you're scum, then flair is as good a way to go down as any!

I hope there's a pre-death catgif in there for us, though.

Please don't be town, I'd feel dumb.

10/10 people at the Syndicate would tell you I'm town.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

Then why am I voting for you?

I'm going to keep my vote on you in pure flair and spite.

Coolios. If you're town, you weren't going to win by getting me lynched either, so we're equally wrong. If you're scum, then flair is as good a way to go down as any!

I hope there's a pre-death catgif in there for us, though.

insertnamehere wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

If a baddie is lynched today, I'll be happy.

Also, if Dizzy and Marmot are teammates, and Dizzy is lynched today, d'you think for sure Marmot's going to go out D6?

I see the reverse as the lesser risk.

No, I don't think it's for sure. I think anyone could still be lynched tomorrow. At lylo, baddies make powerplays, I couldn't even rule Jay out.

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

Dyslexicon wrote:What question have I not answered straight?

How about 'why should it ring alarm bells?'. Your answer was "I think you know" and you've not enlightened me at all. Why should Jay and my analysis ring alarm bells instead of just accurately pointing to a baddie?

Dyslexicon wrote:You think Marmot or INH will self vote instead of lynching me?

And right there is the heart of why you voted for me.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

If Golden is town then I would ironically (or poetically) support his notion of being screwed. I'd vote Marmot to save myself, but I prefer a Golden lynch, I really feel the way he's setting me up is him being scum.

Setting you up? What am I doing that is setting you up?

In the beginning you questioned me. I answered, the questioning stopped, and then you've been saying you would vote me but you were busy and hadn't put in the work, and now that it's EoD everything I say is a sign I'm scum.

Nope. It's just not a sign you're town, and I'm not going to let you use manipulation instead of solid rebuttal.

You've refused to answer questions straight at EoD. You're saying things like 'I think you know', using appeal to emotion, and planting a no u vote with no previous basis in your own suspicion at all.

If you want me to perceive you as town right now, act like you're town instead of using every manipulative tool in your book to escape your own lynch.

Besides, for all that you are complaining about how doomed you are and what a tough world it is for you... and how there should be 'alarm bells' because of how much everyone seems to want to vote you and how easy it is to get you gone...

I would note how difficult it has been to actually get three votes on you today. Jay and I have leaned your way all day and neither inh nor marmot have shown any particular inclination to join us so far.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

This statement can be entirely true from you no matter what your affiliation.

What is the point of saying this? I'm not any affilation, I'm a particular one. Such shade.

You are using the tactic 'appeal to emotion'. I'm just pointing out that doesn't make you town, in case anyone should be persuaded by it.

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

If Golden is town then I would ironically (or poetically) support his notion of being screwed. I'd vote Marmot to save myself, but I prefer a Golden lynch, I really feel the way he's setting me up is him being scum.

Setting you up? What am I doing that is setting you up?

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

I read back their isos, and the best answer I came to was that... yes, it is plausible, but the Jay/FZ interactions seem like a big stretch if they are teammates. (JayFZ - ha, that would be a funny team. In this scenario, I guess Marmot is BeyBey).

I'll feel a lot worse losing the game by changing my tack and following a tinfoil read, than by just voting the person who seems bad on the face of it.

~~~~~~~~~

I mean, the following is a summary of Dizzy's responses to me:

"why am I bad"
"tell me why I'm bad"
"your reasons for why I'm bad suck, you're bad"
"I don't have to acknowledge that your points are good, I can just say they make no sense."

You, inh, know as well as anyone that figuring out who is bad doesn't necessarily come from rational arguments. I can't 'prove' that Dizzy is bad through arguing. I just sense that this Dizzy is markedly different from the other Dizzy I've seen as town.

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

This statement can be entirely true from you no matter what your affiliation.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, looks like I'm the most likely to be teamed with everyone right now lol. That's convenient and should be a big alarm bell already.

Why?

I think you know why. I'm town, and the thread is floating pretty silently and steadily to me being lynched. I'm fine with losing really, it just sucks to be the one that is the Lylo lynch. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, and it's answers like this that make me feel very good about voting for you.

"I think you know why". What would it matter if I 'know why', or have my own reasons for why. If you make some grand sweeping statement, you have to justify it.

You said 'it should be a big alarm bell'. Why? Why should it not just be a sign that you are, in fact, bad?

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:Dizzy I really don't care if you like my rationale. I'm not scum, and your idea of telling people to look at me when you flip town at lylo is laughable.

Wtf, I haven't told them to look at you AFTER I flip. I want them to look at you now.

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, looks like I'm the most likely to be teamed with everyone right now lol. That's convenient and should be a big alarm bell already.

Why?

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:Truth be told I think the jay/marmot pair is entirely compatible from my read. It's the jay/fz pair that feels wrong.

Explain exactly how me wanting to vote a cop claim doesn't make sense for a townie to you?

Townies don't want to risk lynching the real cop.

Dizzy I really don't care if you like my rationale. I'm not scum, and your idea of telling people to look at me when you flip town at lylo is laughable.

Truth be told I think the jay/marmot pair is entirely compatible from my read. It's the jay/fz pair that feels wrong.

Marmot wrote:

Golden wrote:At the moment, we have a dizzy/inh dichotomy, with jay and marmot voting one each.

What I feel like really has to be tested in the next few hours, is a marmot/jay team. This is a perfect play for ending the game and winning right here if it's the pair of them.

I'm sorry I just haven't had time or been around to do much. I'm so busy, much busier even than I expected when I agreed to sub in.

I mean, vote where your heart desires, but I'd advise you to not put the tinfoil hat on if you don't have time to research it.

Linki: haha, we'll never mind then.

If you aren't bad, I think you need to vote dizzy. If dizzzy and inh are the baddies, they could still tie it up.

If you are bad, I suck. If Jay's bad, we all suck.

If the team is marmot/jay - good game well played. I could see it based on how today played out, but I can't make a lylo vote based on tinfoil, when there are other players who look much worse.

If the team is marmot/inh - I'm baffled.

If the team is jay/inh... well, I just got unlucky and trusted Jay too much in pushing this towards dizzy not inh. Epi's case on inh was pretty damn good and maybe that's the way I should have been looking (but hey, epi was also clearing Jay).

Any other team has dizzy in it.

Nah, I'm not inspired by that. Marmot and Jay's isos, on reread, I remember exactly why I started thinking they looked town.

Jay went after FZ early, in a way that feels organic and unnecessary if teammates. As far as distancing that could amount to bussing goes, I'll rarely believe it from a rational player like Jay unless I can see the benefit at the time. While I guess you could say there would be a benefit right now (I'm giving Jay a town read at lylo), there seems like there would be more risk than reward in the moment.

As for marmot, there was that post asking MP an unnecessary question just before he died. Now, I think it's fairly common for baddies to ask people questions just before they die (it's functional distancing from the kill), marmot's was questioning why MP was reading him as town. It's a counterintuitive question to be asking someone who is just about to die... you'd want to head into the death with the town read, unquestioned.

So I come back to dizzy and inh right now. Dizzy is by far the one I'm most inspired to vote.

@Dizzy - my feelings on you are quite simple. I need to do a full iso still, but your desire to lynch one of the cop claims (FZ and epi) made no sense from a townie. I was an external observer, but even so... epi's claim was weak, FZ's claim was strong, your desire to lynch one of the cop claims made no sense even in the moment, and I only come out of that whole exchange with one sense - that you wanted to get some potential cred for lynching FZ. I've not seen you play too many games yet, but I have felt a sense of assurance from you when civ that has been lacking this game, I'm not sure I could put my finger precisely on it. Plus your defences are reminiscent of me when I'm bad.

In addition to that, I have difficulty seeing so many people that INH is a team with, but I could see you being a team with virtually anyone at this point. Your connections are much more plausible than others.

I'm going to vote for you, and hope I'm right.

At the moment, we have a dizzy/inh dichotomy, with jay and marmot voting one each.

What I feel like really has to be tested in the next few hours, is a marmot/jay team. This is a perfect play for ending the game and winning right here if it's the pair of them.

I'm sorry I just haven't had time or been around to do much. I'm so busy, much busier even than I expected when I agreed to sub in.

Marmot wrote:

Golden wrote:

Marmot wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Golden wrote:Read back and consider a marmot/dizzy team and see what you think.

Golden, can you expand on this dynamic you presented to INH and clarify your own present position?

I haven't had a chance to see if inh responded. I looked into this myself and perceive dizzy is marmots most likely teammate if marmot was bad. I'm not convinced narnitbis bad though. Dizzy is currently odds on for my vote today.

Can you offer a good reason to not vote for insertnamehere this phase?

At the moment, I'm most convinced that dizzy fits into the baddie team. I have work to do, though, and I won't have time to do it until this time tomorrow (since I have spent all day cleaning the house for an open home, and now I have a sermon to write for tomorrow morning, and then I have a Survivor blog to write which I'm already late on).

There was a point when you said you'd feel comfortable lynching insertnamehere.

Do you still feel that way?

My strong expectation at this point is that the team is inh/dizzy. But I feel like there is still a lack of thoroughness in my opinion.

But it's also lylo, so I want to be measured and make the best decision I can one at a time.

I also want to test each combo...

inh/dizzy
inh/Marmot
inh/Jay
dizzy/jay
dizzy/marmot
Jay/marmot

At the moment, I think more of the dizzy combos remain open to me than the inh combos. That's why I'm leaning more towards dizzy right now. But, again, lack of thoroughness...

Marmot wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Golden wrote:Read back and consider a marmot/dizzy team and see what you think.

Golden, can you expand on this dynamic you presented to INH and clarify your own present position?

I haven't had a chance to see if inh responded. I looked into this myself and perceive dizzy is marmots most likely teammate if marmot was bad. I'm not convinced narnitbis bad though. Dizzy is currently odds on for my vote today.

Can you offer a good reason to not vote for insertnamehere this phase?

At the moment, I'm most convinced that dizzy fits into the baddie team. I have work to do, though, and I won't have time to do it until this time tomorrow (since I have spent all day cleaning the house for an open home, and now I have a sermon to write for tomorrow morning, and then I have a Survivor blog to write which I'm already late on).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Golden wrote:Read back and consider a marmot/dizzy team and see what you think.

Golden, can you expand on this dynamic you presented to INH and clarify your own present position?

I haven't had a chance to see if inh responded. I looked into this myself and perceive dizzy is marmots most likely teammate if marmot was bad. I'm not convinced narnitbis bad though. Dizzy is currently odds on for my vote today.

I vote no. In fact I simply couldn't cope with current life pressures with shortened days.

Hey all

Realistically, there's no way I can play this to normal intensity. My life is manic right now. Haven't had time to think today let alone read. We have an open home on our rental on Saturday and too much to do. So I'll contribute where I can but it's going to be minimal.