The Syndicate

In fact, she's the first comparison I've used where she's played twice and the performances look completely different.

Russell and Amanda also both played twice and both lost at final tribal for the same reasons twice. In Debbie's first season, I thought she had a good shot of winning if she got to the end (for a while I felt she had the winners edit). This season, not at all.

S~V~S wrote:Is Debbie bad? Opt said thank god no one is Debbie?

Should I go cry?

Just this week, on her second season, Debbie had the most ridiculous meltdown ever. She isn't coming across the same way this season that she did in her first.

Debbie 1.0 (the one I compared you too) was motherly, endearing and sharp. I liked her so much, so I'm really disappointed with her this season.

LoRab - LoRab played a sly social game, making the right bonds to make good moves, but also pushing the vote in the direction she wanted to when she could. It took a final 4 fire challenge to take her out. While she played a game that was entirely deserving of the win, it's hard to be certain about whether the jury would have rewarded it with a win. LoRab is Cydney Gillon.

Elohcin - Elohcin played the sweet and loyal game, but she was still willing to make sly moves behind the scenes. Her unassuming manner allowed her to get far further than she probably should have been allowed to get. If her moves had manoeuvred her into the majority, there's every chance she could have ended up winning. Instead, moves fell apart on her at key times, and it led to her falling short. Elohcin is T-Bird Cooper.

Golden - from the viewers perspective (and even the jury's perspective), it appeared people couldn't understand why people weren't getting me out. Inside the game, I relied heavily on social bonds and hoped loyalty would get me to the end, but in the end my closest allies realised they would probably lose to me if they let me get to the end. I am David Wright.

S~V~S - as always, S~V~S came at the game with a different perspective on life than everyone else. She played a loyal game towards those she trusted, but anyone else was fair game and she was willing to open the bomb doors and take people out with calculated precision. In the end, S~V~S lost to a lack of flexibility on a day where a key ally knew an idol play would stop things going the way she wanted. S~V~S is Debbie Wanner (Kaoh Rong version).

Quin wrote:I'm actually Denise the lunch lady.

Oh, you were fired from your job for playing this game?

Opt_Outside wrote:Thank goodness no one is DEBBIE

Someone was going to be Debbie...

Debbie 1.0 though.

insertnamehere wrote:

Golden wrote:No, no, sig is Lucy Huang or possibly Melissa McNulty. But you're jumping too far ahead.

Sig = Wanda Shirk

Wanda was a whole lot louder than sig!

No, no, sig is Lucy Huang or possibly Melissa McNulty. But you're jumping too far ahead.

I was talking to my niece about the game and was thinking I would try to put a real life Survivor player against each player who played in this game, but it will take a bit of work.

Here's a start

Opt_Outside. She set herself up as a loyal ally to many, and had the ability to get people onside even after she hurt their allies. She took out the one ally she felt she had to take out in order to win, but otherwise played a remarkably loyal game. No-one ever truly came after her or wanted her out. Opt_Outside is Earl Cole.

Quin. He made big moves, and he was willing to antagonise people to make them. He stayed loyal, but primarily because he believed he could beat everyone. His game will be disputed among the Survivor Mafia fandom for eons, asking whether or not he was robbed. Quin is, quite legitimately, Russell Hantz.

Sorsha. She was at her social best, connecting with the right people at the right times and not letting the other people left at the end realise just how socially well connected she was. She was probably a couple of unlucky breaks away from winning (if Quin had gone down at 5 and she had a clear shot at opt at 4, I think she was odds on favourite). She wasn't able to answer as many questions at final tribal council and lost some votes there. Sorsha is Amanda Kimmel.

DharmaHelper wrote:Oh, I did say I whiffed on my first night of BTSC which was a lie but that wasn't really to deceive anyone. I only had BTSC with Golden that night I think, and we both agreed to not mention it. This was before Mamana agreed on coordinating BTSC.

I never told anyone that either, not even opt.

Quin wrote:Someone made a good point in the spectator thread. My role was overpowered, sure. But for 99 percent of the game, nobody ever wanted me out. It's not like I was hiding it. Half the game knew and you let me on my merry way, so in the end, it's mainly on the players heads that I got to the end.

An idol does only save you if you use it. I figured that if there was ever a reason I wanted you out, the trick was just to make you feel safe.

It's really interesting reading the spectator room where Scotty and everyone else clearly didn't know about my pregame deals hehe.

Hey, was I the only person in the game to find the hidden immunity idol without a clue?

I'm the true Hantz, baby!

insertnamehere wrote:

Golden wrote:When I heard about that post-merge, I thought INH had come up with it. It's part of the reason I stopped trusting him.

Nope. I heard that I was in the F5 alliance from Quin when we had BTSC after the swap.

Really, after DH was voted off, the only person who I had any kind of leverage or trust with was Speed. We were planning on trying to get SVS and Quin to flip on Golden Day 8. Probably wouldn't have worked, but would have been the only way I could get to the end.

The thing that really fucked me over in this game was my role. Everyone who I poisoned immediately had a vendetta against me for the entire game. I tried not telling anyone except DH about my role, except naturally, he told Golden. If not for that, I think I could've stuck around a couple more TC's.

Dh didn't tell me I don't think. I'm trying to remember... I think maybe opt worked it out through process of elimination.

S~V~S wrote:And Golden, never trusting you again

Sick to my stomach is how I felt on that day. In voting you out I felt like I was going to both lose my chance of winning and lose a lot of respect from you. But I was also very afraid that you were against me already. Basically I feel that decision, no matter which way I went, was driven by fear.

I was determined to own it however. Lorab offered me the chance to vote elsewhere and have plausible deniability, but I didn't want to be in any way dishonest about the fact that I knew you were going to go. As much as it was possible to do in that situation, I tried to stab you in the front not the back.

I reached out to you because that's the way I wanted it to be. It still bums me out that it didn't turn out that way.

Quin wrote:My banner repertoire got good

You should have a banner that says 'Mad Max - loser, but won best mafia for it anyway'

Click User control Panel
Click the profile tag
Say edit signature

In thread, quote scotty's post, and copy and paste the correct link into the signature. Done!

Ha! Nothing I love seeing more than people who don't know Sorsha well yet.

Quin wrote:btw I'm accepting alliance requests for season 2 hmu

Too late, I've already made two final three deals.

Opt_Outside wrote:Wow, thanks for going to bat for me.

Well, this is why I was genuinely baffled by your reasoning in the moment being that you thought I'd vote for you. I wasn't sure if you were lying or misreading me. There was no scenario in which I was ever voting you out.

Having said that, you shouldn't feel too bad... I was definitely planning on throwing you under the bus as being merely my +1 at final tribal and hoping that I hadn't alienated so many people that I would lose.

You know what I'm really bummed about? ASKING to be allocated the reward on the puzzle challenge at final 6...

Opt_Outside wrote:I was like wow this guy is so good

Don't forget it when it comes to mafia.

No-one should forget you're good either. This is not the last game you are going to dominate here.

Hey, scotty...

Hosting is damn hard, and it certainly sucks massive amounts of time. But you did absolutely amazingly. Seriously, like you are going to get theme and hosting nominations for the sockys this year no doubt. It was an amazing, living the real thing experience. I cannot state that enough.

I'm sure DF will agree, however, that we've built enough shelters to last a while

Quin wrote:I wasn't really happy with the decision I made then, but I thought it for the best.

I really thought it cost you the game in the moment, but then somehow here you were at final 3.

I was like 'noooo Quin, I'm the only one who will have your back! I owe you one. That was a bad move!'.

But hey, I was wrong. You did just fine.

Quin wrote:

Opt_Outside wrote:

Golden wrote:That's one of the funny things that happened in this game... people thought I had a lot of deals but then I was being told I was in deals that I never was...

Deals I made in the game:

Final three with Quin and SVS pre-game, and a side pact with DH
Final three with Opt and DH at Atamai, final five with LoRab and speedchuck
Final three with Opt and sorsha in the post-swap tribe
Then I gave LoRab a final three deal to slot in to DH's place come merge when he was gone

That was all the deals I made... it's a few, but I heard a lot more that I had apparently made.

Oh interesting- did svs and quin not propose the final four to you that they did to me? That's where my pact with quin came from. Our final four that turned into final three once svs was out.

Initially, it was a 3 between Golden, SVS and myself. But once we got to the merge, Golden insisted we bring you into the fold, so that 3 really became a four. I'm glad it did.

I needed parity. You had two, I needed two.

Anytime I made a deal with anyone, I said 'Opt's with me, she has to be included'.

Opt_Outside wrote:

Golden wrote:That's one of the funny things that happened in this game... people thought I had a lot of deals but then I was being told I was in deals that I never was...

Deals I made in the game:

Final three with Quin and SVS pre-game, and a side pact with DH
Final three with Opt and DH at Atamai, final five with LoRab and speedchuck
Final three with Opt and sorsha in the post-swap tribe
Then I gave LoRab a final three deal to slot in to DH's place come merge when he was gone

That was all the deals I made... it's a few, but I heard a lot more that I had apparently made.

Oh interesting- did svs and quin not propose the final four to you that they did to me? That's where my pact with quin came from. Our final four that turned into final three once svs was out.

Yes, I made that final four deal (and that was my intended real deal - with LoRab fifth), but in my mind that was just combining the deals I'd already made.

Another thing that somehow did the rounds was that I wanted you to win. I was like - hell no, I want ME to win. I just thought you knew you were my ride or die!

I spent the last few days trying to figure out your motivation for voting me... was it that you thought I'd vote you out, or that you thought you'd lose to me, or that you thought I'd sway the jury for you. I never quite got the answer I wanted to that.

When I heard about that post-merge, I thought INH had come up with it. It's part of the reason I stopped trusting him.

LC, you seem to think you had an 'original five' deal with me. I had never even heard about such a thing until after you were gone. Someone was bullshitting you that I had allied with you.

Quin wrote:Golden, one day I promise you we'll play a game together where we don't rip each others throats out.

I never ripped your throat out. I never even lied to you once in the chat that day I was really trying to figure out how to get you to the end. I felt like I owed you for voting SVS out.

That's one of the funny things that happened in this game... people thought I had a lot of deals but then I was being told I was in deals that I never was...

Deals I made in the game:

Final three with Quin and SVS pre-game, and a side pact with DH
Final three with Opt and DH at Atamai, final five with LoRab and speedchuck
Final three with Opt and sorsha in the post-swap tribe
Then I gave LoRab a final three deal to slot in to DH's place come merge when he was gone

That was all the deals I made... it's a few, but I heard a lot more that I had apparently made.

What is the original five agreement?

LC - I mean, here's a rule in Survivor.

Never ask to be voted for...
Never ask people to be straight with you...

They'll assume you are trying to con them into voting for you. Long Con you, even.

It just made me think you were playing me and you were going to invalidate the votes if you found out they were coming your way.

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:Wow, congratulations, Opt!

Golden, you're on the list.

I was looking for a single person to turn. Sorsha said she didn't trust you. So down you went.

You gotta say though, I blindsided you good. I pulled a few great blindsides in this game - you, inh, SVS... it was good stuff.

Though it was not what I expected, I wouldn't call it a complete blindside. I don't know whether or not Sorsha relayed to you when I asked her just to be straight up with me if I was getting played. She decided not to grant me that dignity, so yes, I guess you could call it a "blindside". My blind side being my faith that I was dealing with people who had a scrap of sympathy or honour.

She did relay it to me, but I did not trust it not to be an idol play. I thought it was genuinely possible that you and sawyer were planning to play an idol to flip the numbers. I made up stuff for her to copy paste to keep you in the dark.

I may not have had honour, but I did have sympathy.

What are you talking about??? There were no Idols in play until that very Tribal Council, in which you had the only Idol. Wait, am I remembering wrong?

I mean a hidden one. We didn't know you or sawyer didn't have one (as it happened, Quin had it).

Long Con wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:How the fuck you gonna do me so dirty when I kicked so much ass at battleship guys?

That was you? How did you do it??

I mean seriously, wasn't I good in that too?

Also, if we pulled the same rock at the swap LC, we might have done a lot of damage together.

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:Wow, congratulations, Opt!

Golden, you're on the list.

I was looking for a single person to turn. Sorsha said she didn't trust you. So down you went.

You gotta say though, I blindsided you good. I pulled a few great blindsides in this game - you, inh, SVS... it was good stuff.

Though it was not what I expected, I wouldn't call it a complete blindside. I don't know whether or not Sorsha relayed to you when I asked her just to be straight up with me if I was getting played. She decided not to grant me that dignity, so yes, I guess you could call it a "blindside". My blind side being my faith that I was dealing with people who had a scrap of sympathy or honour.

She did relay it to me, but I did not trust it not to be an idol play. I thought it was genuinely possible that you and sawyer were planning to play an idol to flip the numbers. I made up stuff for her to copy paste to keep you in the dark.

I may not have had honour, but I did have sympathy.

DharmaHelper wrote:How the fuck you gonna do me so dirty when I kicked so much ass at battleship guys?

I kicked ass too and I still don't know how you beat us by so much.

Having said that... you fell hard for a basic idol trap, dude.

Quin wrote:Putting on my self-entitlement hat for a second - I'm actually surprised I only got one jury vote. Who dat

Me too Quin! You would have also been a very deserving winner.

linki - hey, scotty... the bevy of btsc making it hard for the jury to understand just made me realise that this is what it is really like out there. If you get blindsided, you don't truly know what led to it... you can only guess.

Long Con wrote:Wow, congratulations, Opt!

Golden, you're on the list.

I was looking for a single person to turn. Sorsha said she didn't trust you. So down you went.

You gotta say though, I blindsided you good. I pulled a few great blindsides in this game - you, inh, SVS... it was good stuff.

Having said that, voting out SVS was my mistake in this game. I think she would have had my back. I'm not sure what else I could have done in that situation though. The rain basically ended my game.

DharmaHelper wrote:Oh yeah and thanks for telling me I could trust SVS and Quin Golden.

You couldn't.

For all that SVS and Quin may have felt betrayed by me, that was the moment where I knew 100% that I was putting opt ahead of them.

Congrats Opt! You did so well. I'm really pleased you won.

That's no knock against Quin or Sorsha at all. I really thought Quin was going to win that jury vote, so I wanted to push Opt into gear early.

PS Quin - I genuinely had your back entirely and intended to betray LoRab not you (unless she won at final four, then you would have been gone), but I don't blame you at all for not trusting me and voting me out. Not only that, you had me completely fooled (although I should've paid more attention to how relaxed you were when I kept saying 'I'm not sure if Opt will be up for taking you to final three instead of LoRab'... the signs were there).

I really thought that Opt made the wrong choice taking me out... I felt like I was your ticket to win Opt! You were going to beat me, I swear. And if Quin hadn't found that idol at 5 and opt hadn't won the challenge I think Eloh/LoRab/Sorsha would have been the final three... but you guys found your own way anyway and that was equally impressive.

I didn't get to see much of sorsha's game, so it's a shame there wasn't enough time for her to answer my question.

Scotty wrote:Roles
Accountant: DharmaHelper
Army Sergeant: notsawyer540
Cheerleader: Boomslang
Chef: Elohcin
Chemist: insertnamehere
Construction Worker: Epignosis
Crazy Hillbilly: Quin
Engineer: sig
Fisherman: Sorsha
Football Player: Opt_Outside
Lawyer: LoRab
Nurse: DFaraday
Poker Player: speedchuck
Police Officer: Long Con
Student: DrWilgy
Superfan: S~V~S
Teacher: MovingPictures07

Actor: Golden

What am I, chopped liver?

Hey, Scotty Probst, is the jury allowed to talk now? Is it reunion time?

Hey opt.

You talked at the end about the jury respecting loyalty but you didn't show any, or lorab and I wouldn't be sitting on the jury right now. My question for you is about loyalty and comes in two parts - first, of loyalty is what the jury respects why did you vote out someone who had to betray a lot of people to get to the end? And why should I vote for you if you believe the jury should be respecting loyalty?

To be honest, you're the least likely of the final three to get my vote right now, so I need to hear a really good answer from you to be persuaded that I should vote for you.

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Hey sorsha

Congrats on making it to the end. I'm pleased for you! My plan was to take you out but you outsmarted me. Tell me a plan that you had in this game that is uniquely yours that I don't know anything about, that helped you get to the end.

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Hi quin

Congrats on getting to the end. I'm surprised they let you get there, I'll be honest I expected all three votes to come your way, and I think people were foolish not to vote you out. I'll be honest, I thought you made a big mistake voting me out and that you would need my vote at 4 (which you would have had) so I'm proud of you.

Having said that, there's one big problem with voting you to win. For you, finding idols was way to easy. Why should I vote for someone who essentially had a free path to final four?