The Syndicate

And you should sign up for Bullets over Broadway.

Neverwhere wrote:You guys all played really well! Really looking forward to playing with you again.

This was a great introduction to mafia game. Although it was my second game, I found playing on this site a lot more daunting. I didn't lie in my posts...it genuinely took me about half the game to get to grips with all the new players. It was a good introduction to the site and I think it will make the next more complicated game easier for me.

Although I hope to god I'm civvie next time! Being mafia is fun, but I would like to experience it from the other side.

Being civilian is a great opportunity to be a paranoid wreck, constantly suspected as bad while getting everything wrong and feeling like the game is slipping away from you.

Just ask TB!

Oh, lol. I loved it! I really had fun. I quickly realised we couldn't win by just lynching those who weren't playing, and I don't think we ever righted that ship. Very frustrated with the TH lynch in particular. But as a concept, I thoroughly love it, and definitely reckon we should do it again.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:Yeah, Epi, are you happy with that totally unfair and discriminatory result? Answer!

Hey Golden, what did you think of OM?

Linki: a little, yeah.

What is OM?

Yeah, Epi, are you happy with that totally unfair and discriminatory result? Answer!

I'm also glad I did not tunnel on you Missing. In fact I did a remarkably good job of not tunnelling on anyone for once (civ or bad). That's rare.

Best thing about being a lawyer whose primary responsibility is drafting...

When I design a game, I am always thinking of demon rodents and what exploits they might find, and I do think very carefully about the wording of my rule drafting!

DharmaHelper wrote:The funny thing for me was sending in the kills in order to change the poll times to throw people off. That should have been an indicator of my guilt at least, that I was always/mostly on point with posting/voting.

Usually I was asleep or not around when all that was going on, so it could be anyone in that time. I think my biggest disadvantage in this game was time zone. I always had to vote early and was rarely around while the thread was locked.

@TB - I hope you get that mafia role that you are waiting for soon

Epi - I'd definitely play again. I'd be more relaxed about how much content I had. And I'd support a modkill for anyone who posts more than 4 times, MM found the loophole in your rules far too quickly.

Also, if I could change one thing, it would be the number of players. It plays as fast as a speed game anyway, I think you could definitely do it with 20-25. I think you almost need the time with so few posts per day.

What I should have done, though... was take one vote on the chin and used one more post to respond to DH's allegation that it was 'last day fuckery' - which for me cemented the fact he was bad. I could have taken the vote, knowing DH had already voted for hedge, but I didn't think it through.

(I would have been all out for you tomorrow, DH, but I also have a feeling I would have been NKed if we'd successfully lynched splints).

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks for the game, by the way, Epi! And sorry to my team for not playing so great.

While a very intriguing idea, this type of game is just NOT for me, personally. The posting restriction was way too limiting.

It's funny - I (also a high poster) found the opposite - that the 4 post limit was overwhelming, because I was basically trying to use every post to say what I'd normally get out through all my posts in a single day.

That's why in latter days I reverted to shorter posts.

I think it was the winning move, actually.

Wish we had successfully lynched TH on day one then we might have won, I bet Rico is an expert scumhunter.

Neverwhere wrote:I just wanted to win so badly just so I could laugh at you again Golden

I should have known you guys bussed MP when it all came out of nowhere.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ohmygod, Golden and Hedgie suddenly trust each other! Let's lynch 'em!

Yeah, see, I figured it out at the end! But it was too late, I needed you and TB to vote splints too.

llama vouched for me on day one, before he could reasonably be considered the detective I think. Not that I want to build the case against me, but... truth is truth.

Here is the thing - if we are both good, if you and I are genuinely both civilian....

Then MP was thrown under the bus.

And that changes everything completely. That's a world in which DH could be bad, even TB... I don't know. Maybe they had the plan to take him out because they figured it would win them the game and he wasn't so active anyway. I never could make sense of where his lynch came from, he didn't seem that suspicious to me. Maybe he said to his team 'lynch me, and then you will get the win'.

This is my last post today, and for the first time I really feel 4 are not enough. But I'm actually beginning to wonder if I've been looking at this whole thing backwards for a really long time.

I don't really know who to vote for now. I'm lost. Splints is something I'll follow you in on, but if I'm right and they threw MP under the bus, ti could even be DH or I don't know who.

Hedgey, I tell you what. I feel like we only have one shot at this and we can't use extra posts or the baddies can simply pile on, so... I will allow you to vote, I will follow you in to that vote, and I will hope badly that we have extended this game by a day and caught a baddie.

As Neverwhere and TB will know from having just played Narnia with me... its much easier to have a baddie team all vote the same way than get the civilians too. But I know I'm not bad, so I hope people will follow wherever hedges vote goes. Let's just hope it works out.

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Basically either we pick right or we lose...

It might be you all along, DH. I dunno. I'm paranoid, and ultimately this reminds me of Narnia - not enough to go on. Actually, I think the civilian chances in this game were essentially derailed by Ika, TH and (to a much lesser extent) Rico. It's frustrating, and something that honestly I just don't have a lot of respect for. It's almost like 'whats the point' if the game is just going to be lost by a bunch of civilians who don't even care. I'm incredibly disappointed by TH's lynch, for example. What was that even about it just makes it hard to feel like putting effort into the game as a player is worthwhile, and that's not cool for Epi who put together a clever game.

I don't know what more I can do. I guess I'll just vote hedge too, hope we are right, hope enough others vote that way. If not, I guess it's all over.

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I think hedge is betting splints comes back bad and you lynch me tomorrow, based on her post, yes.

But honestly, if you see it from my point of view (knowing I'm civilian) and look at the vote train for MP - I think that primarily because unless MP was bussed it's the only correct answer.

The only other possibility is that either you, TB, or neverwhere is bad and:

MovingPictures07
5
TinyBubbles (3), Missing Person (4), DharmaHelper (6), Neverwhere (7), thellama73 (8)
36%

Neverwhere
0
No votes

thellama73
4
MovingPictures07 (5), Metalmarsh89 (9), Elohcin (12), Hedgeowl (14)

I mean, I guess Neverwhere could be bad, that's possible. TB and you don't seem that likely based on vote order.

I'd be fairly happy to go splints but since you have already gone hedge, I'm going to wait to see what others have to say.

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That's actually a pretty good case on splints.

Dunno where you get your case on me from at all, except perhaps that we both voted for you and it's just a no u. If splints is bad for seeing my civ game, then I suppose everyone else is too.

But you've given me pause for thought, at least....

But here is what I think happened... you guys can win if you just get ONE civilian lynch.

So, get civ cred by taking out splints, and then you look better.

TB, Neverwhere and DH all voted for MP. I don't think there is any evidence he was bussed. I know I'm not bad. So to my mind, the three baddies are splints, MM, hedge.

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I'm sorry I haven't been around to contribute today. I think Neverwhere's post about Dreamy was good, so I'm going there.

RIP Missing - from what I see if you in this game I'm looking forward to seeing more of you in a bigger game.

Where I'm at after this lynch:

Feeling quite good about:

Neverwhere
TB (my original reason for suspicion no longer bothers me).
MM (although why should I when we are both still around on day 5???)
myself

Still feeling pretty ok about

DH

That leaves

splints
DREAM
Hedge
TH

Still probably intend to vote hedge today, unless something happens to change my mind.

Elo - 3rd wedding anniversary. Technically it's Tuesday, but we are using the weekend to do the celebrating.

@Neverwhere - an interesting point. DREAM didn't exactly help stop the bandwagon with her vote on Missing Person, either, did she. (oh dear, I accidentally spoonerised Missing's name the first time I typed it )

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I just realised I have no guarantee of being back to this game before the poll closes (anniversary today), so I'm voting Eloh now.

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Golden wrote: Hmm, and interesting, DH makes a big case on elo and LC being teammates. Proving LC is civilian by NKing him might be a good way to take heat off elo, so perhaps she is bad.

This is what makes me think you are bad, Elo. Not the missed vote.

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I'm feeling pretty comfortable about my yesterday's rainbow given the way the votes went down. Hedge and Elo definitely remain my top candidates for a lynch today.

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Well, I hope MP is bad, but I'm not sold on it. Fingers crossed.

Agree with DH. I think 'teamwork' often involves intentionally missing lynches to avoid lynch analysis telling you too much. Civilians often miss the vote by accident, but mafia often miss the vote intentionally. I'm leaning towards there being mafia in the latter because I feel like they didn't feel any heat in the last lynch at all.

I think that's 3.

Well, it seems MP is going down like a sack of potatoes. That seems way too easy, I'm quite surprised to see 5 votes come in for him. I was a little wary of him, but I hadn't felt like I was seeing a lot of him looking VERY suspicious or that many people being very suspicious of him.

I'm going with one of my top two suspects, Hedgeowl.

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I'm not surprised to discover LC is good. He read that way to me. The paranoia in me goes 'was that kill DH, or to frame DH' - I feel sure it's one or the other.

I was reading Elo as civ for the first time ever . and then she didn't vote...

The thing that really stood out for me was how many missing votes there were on day 2. Really? These people voted (in this order)

ika
MP
MM
TH
Golden
Missing P
Neverwhere
Long Con
DH
Llama

That means no votes from:

DREAM
Elohcin
fingersplints
Hedgeowl
TinyBubbles

OK, thats less bad than I thought when I see it like that. But still, when someone is lynched with only 3 votes, 5 votes is a significant chunk. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of these were people who felt absolutely no compelling reason to vote. And that, at least, is one reason to feel sort of ok about TH (since I would find it hard to categorise ika's lynch as a save). But, I mean, with four baddies the results are far too easy to manipulate with so many people missing. I don't expect me can catch baddies unless we are all voting!

Hmm, and interesting, DH makes a big case on elo and LC being teammates. Proving LC is civilian by NKing him might be a good way to take heat off elo, so perhaps she is bad.

Missing Person wrote:

Golden wrote:I still tend to think, though, that my 'filler' may have contributed to Missing Person linking me to LC, despite him wanting to claim the thing was useless. (Which is funny. Cos personally, I think that catching something going down like that is EXACTLY why that post is not useless.)

I'm not seeing how this links you to LC, care to fill me in? It was more like, "I think one of you two are scum, I don't see a plausible scenario where both of you are." I think I said exactly that in perhaps my 3rd post of Day 1?

Well, I don't think it does, but I thought you might have painted it that way on day one. But you didn't. It's sort of in the past now anyway, I'm feeling better about you now.

Also, I'm feeling pretty ok about Neverwhere right now.

I'm pretty anti these rainbow lists, but in a game with so few players and so few posts its a good way to get my thoughts across, so here goes. Lets call red 'top suspects', orange 'very wary', yellow 'I don't fully trust you', green 'I have no read', blue 'I trust you', (f**k indigo), and violet is golden, because I get to mess with the spectrum like that.

Look, it's an actual rainbow!

Elohcin
Hedgeowl
TH
MP
MM
Missing P
DREAM
splints
TinyBubbles
DH
Neverwhere
Llama
Golden

See you all in the morning, since now the poll closes after I wake

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Well, no-one has posted any more and I'm out of time.

Voting Turnip Head.

Hmm, two posts to use, and the night will end before I wake up in New Zealand - frustrating because I'm sure there will be more actual contributions before all is said and done but maybe not many more before I have to vote. So this third post isn't going to be overly useful.

Long Con, llama has also been specifically mentioning you as well as me, and both since day one, so trying to make out like it is something to do with the detective doesn't wash as a theory. Any other insight you (or anyone) can add to that particular type of approach from llama?

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Long Con wrote:And furthermore, I smiled when I said it. Like that. It's like a signal that says "This is friendly". If I was trying to be a dick, I would have used maybe.

Thank you for the handy dandy guide as to whether or not you are trying to be a dick. I'll remember!

For what it's worth, I'm reading most of the higher posters as looking pretty good right now. I don't see much wrong with LC, I already noted I was feeling reasonably ok about DH. None of them have done anything that I think is worth a vote yet. I still am not sure about Missing Person, but

Since no one else has done it, here is today's first green x post:

DharmaHelperX
DREAM XXXX
Elohcin XX
fingersplints XXXX
Golden XX
Hedgeowl XXXX
ika XXX
Long Con XXX
MetalMarsh89 XX
Missing Person XXX
MovingPictures07 XXX
Neverwhere XXXX
thellama73 XXX
TinyBubbles XXXX
Turnip Head X

Right now that means a lot of people are leaving a lot of posts on the table. Has Dream posted at all? I hope to hear more from Hedgeowl, Neverwhere, and Tinybubbles today. I feel like our civilian advantage could slip exceptionally quickly in this game, and I am worried that silence is a great place for baddies to hide in a game that is potentially so short. Can anyone give me an idea as to hedge's natural game? As of right now, though, I'm still intending to use my own vote to vote someone who is using most of his posts without posting anything at all, and thats TH.

Because they are all the rage, I'll do a little rainbow thingy. This isn't about how civ or bad I'm reading people. It's more about how much quality content is being contributed to the thread by them. I'm ranking people by how much I currently perceive they are bringing to the thread. Top is adding least value (quality and quantity considered), bottom is adding most.

Ika
TH
Dream
Neverwhere
Hedgeowl
MP/sock
llama
Tinybubbles
splints
Elo
MM
Missing Person
LC
DH

Yes, that's right, currently I think the person who I don't think has posted in the game at all is adding more value than ika and TH. Although at least TH gave us a nice picture of tumbleweed, so maybe I should take that back.

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Here we go! Day 2! And dare I say it, but because of how much I'm trying to do in each post, the 4 post limit now feels daunting, like 'how can I possibly make 4 posts in a day!!!' kind of daunting. Which I find hilarious. I feel like I needed a full 24 hour night just to get a break from this game.

Lets start with llama. Llama used three out of four posts yesterday to exclaim I was not bad.

thellama73 wrote:

Golden wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Same question to every player: are you bad?

No. What did you expect me to say?

You would think it would be obvious, but you are the only one who has answered the question, and believe it or not, I have caught baddies with this question before. You will not get my vote today, Golden, old friend.

thellama73 wrote:Stop voting for Golden, you guys. He is not bad. I want to vote for Rico, because I think his determined unhelpfulness is a double bluff (no baddie would play like that!) but I am not above a Golden save if necessary. Long Con is probably bad, so not a terrible choice there.

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thellama73 wrote:All right, Long Con's last post was awesome and it makes me not want to lynch him, so I am placing my vote for Rico now. I have a meeting at ten and another at eleven, so I look forward to the results when I get back. Golden is not bad though.

4.

Llama is giving me a cuddle. It's warm and a nice thing for him to do in these cold winter months. It's also slightly disturbing and I'm not sure what to make of it.

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RIP Roxy and Rico. I feel a little sorry for Rico. At the time I voted, I thought his posts were useless. The last two were actually genuine contributions, though, and they changed my view on him (easy to say now lol).

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Tinybubbles post made my ears prick up...

TinyBubbles wrote:Hi all, nice list Golden, and welcome Neverwhere this short game sounds like an interesting challenge, being limited to 4 posts a piece probably won't affect me much since I don't post much anyway, but I'd guess it'd be a bit of a stranglehold for the likes of Golden and Movingpictures

And I'm a good guy of course. Just once I would love to play the villain though maybe its for the best, as even in fallout 3 I couldn't bring myself to nuke tenpenny tower

Anyway I'm uncertain who to vote for. Slightly tempted to vote Neverwhere cause she was such a convincing baddie in the last game, but probably better to let her post first to get a feel for her likely role.

In her absence and because I dont know if ill be around to vote later, I'm casting my vote now for Hedge owl , for voting for golden. Golden has been a good guy both games I've played, so I'm taking a gamble that he is again. Sorry hedgeowl I know it's not much of a reason.

There were two things in here that caught my eye. The first was the 'just once I would like to play the villain' which is a card that's interesting to play when her role in economics is unknown. We can't talk about ongoing aspects of economics in this thread, though. I'm not trying to make any comment on her potential alignment in economics either. It's just that when she has only played three games, it is an interesting ploy to use to suggest she has never been a villain when we can only know her alignment in one of the three games. (Also tb - the numbers game means mafia will be rarer than civ, but if you genuinely haven't been bad yet it will come around eventually).

The second thing that caught my eye was her choice of describing thinking of me as a good guy as 'a gamble' rather than as her thinking I am reading the same way as in the other two games or that I feel similar. Interesting. I'm not sure what to make of TB from this post, but I definitely now have my eye on her.

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Ika has also flown up my suspicion list. He is actually less productive than rico. If only he added a cheese omelette to the mix. No need to pull quotes.

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Missing Person wrote:You play your way, I play mine. I play off general tendencies until I pick up on patterns I see. The way that wall looked was just as filler to look productive.

As far as reading another game just to see if this townclears you to me, not gonna. Simply put, I know myself, and I know I could look through games you have played to cherry pick a case against you. I'd rather not, I'll take the risk of getting lynched for not going through TS history rather than risk pushing a mislynch on a civ if you are.

As far as reads are concerned, I'm listening. Part of the reason I pushed you in the first place was to see who would come to your defense in this thread and how it would sound. I got what I wanted there. I also wanted to see how you'd react here.

That said, I'm not placing you in a civ lean still, but much prefer a LC lynch here, for reasons I've already established.

I actually feel a little better about Missing Person for this post, although I still suspect he could be bad. I was expecting from his previous post that he would try to link me and LC and use my 'wall' and my description of my knowledge of LC to do it.

I still tend to think, though, that my 'filler' may have contributed to Missing Person linking me to LC, despite him wanting to claim the thing was useless. (Which is funny. Cos personally, I think that catching something going down like that is EXACTLY why that post is not useless.)

Missing Person could still get my vote today, but at least his approach back to me gives me some pause.

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MP is actually studying for his PhD instead of playing mafia? That is suspicious right there

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My strongest consideration for a vote right now is Turnip Head. I'm not sure what is up with him. But certainly his posts yesterday did not contribute, and I actively disagree that DH looks bad. Besides that, I think TH's behaviour in this game is off-meta if he is civilian. No, really, I mean that!






No seriously, I actually do think that. This isn't just an economics reference.

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You know what Missing Person? Nope.

Listen to those who know me. You want to contribute to scum reads, your best place to start is to listen. I got lynched in Economics because newbies wanted me to give a read on every single player and others latched on to it. They claimed I was observing the game, but not being part of it. Newsflash: it's not the way I play. I'm not giving someone a town read or a mafia read when I have no opinion at all. I don't play these dumb games of gut reads, they are completely meaningless. You think I couldn't game that system if I was bad? Anyone could. I've never seen anyone reliably catch mafia that way.

Right now, I have no read on 90% of players. I've given you my read. I think Rico and Hedge could be teamies, and I think Hedge used her vote as a pre-emptive strike. I solve the game my way, no-one elses. And if you don't like that this makes me civ, I'll say again, go read day one of economics. I don't have anything to prove to you, you have something to prove to everyone else. If you aren't willing to listen to those who know me best, and if you aren't willing to do the time to see if this correlates with my civilian game when you don't know the first thing about me, then it is YOU who isn't trying to solve this thing. Do you want to take on board the references I've made? Want to fact check? Nah, you still just want to say I'm not contributing. Get real. I've given my genuine reads, which is more than what well over half of the people in this game have done.

Your count doesn't need to be right, because I'm POSTING THE NUMBER OF POSTS EVERY TIME and I posted big green x's in my last post, so whats all this with 'if my count is right'?

If I get lynched today on the back of people who don't me and think they are all that, well the worst that can happen is exactly what happened in economics. People learn to know me better. If it stops you reading me as scum next time, all the better. In the mean time, I'll say it again. Listen to those who know me. Because if you think that long list gives you any sense of my alignment one way or the other, you are only fooling yourself.

It's incredibly tiresome for me to have to fight the same argument about my play style every game. It's not hard. Go read economics mafia. If you aren't willing to do the time, don't claim it's my mafia game. End of story.

I'd honestly vote Missing Person, except I think Rico is the best bet. I just honestly can't be bothered with this kind of attitude, like I need to play someone else's game to be civ. Like I have something to prove to someone who doesn't know me on day one. What a daft concept.

Grrr... I have to vote before I go to bed. I won't be around at 3am for end of poll. I'd probably vote in self defence again, but obviously that won't be happening....

Ps TH, I would have said you should have self voted. Revenge and all of that.

I'll vote Missing Person. Consider it a warning vote. If I die, you will see I am civ and know for our future battles - I am not taking any prisoners. If someone wants to force me to play their way, I do not believe they have my best interests at heart.

I still think Rico/Hedge could be good bets, though, but Missing Person's idea that I should need to play his way to prove I'm civ is much more pingworthy for me.

Done.

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I will be flabbergasted if I end up getting railroaded on day one in two consecutive games for more or less exactly the same thing. STOP VOTING ME FOR BEING ME, PEOPLE! I thought this game might be a nice break from the last game where people said I was posting a lot but basically only writing fluff and not really engaging with people. In a game when we got four posts per game, I'm going to damn well make sure that every single one of them provides content, even if other people like to think that content doesn't matter.

I've never understood this argument 'x is providing a whole lot of content, but I don't personally find the content useful, therefore I think x is bad.' It doesn't make sense. If you don't even think the content is useful, how the heck, then, would I get any civilian cred for posting it????? It's a line that gets trailed out over and over, and civilians keep getting lynched based on it. But what would the baddie reason be for me to do it? It just doesn't make sense~

Hedgeowl - nuts. Stick to people you know. Why are you voting for someone you have literally zero experience with for something that you have no idea if they would do on day one or not?

I don't like that I have felt the need to waste one of my four posts on getting defensive, and I wanted to hold it longer. But since I'm here...

Hedgeowl was the second person to read me as bad for my post. Missing Person was the first. This is where my post actually comes in helpful, to me, already!!!

Golden wrote:Hedgeowl - never played with Hedge

Missing Person - never played with this MP

Neither of you have ever played with me. So possibly this is just something that looks objectively odd to people who don't know me. Despite that, though, those who actually know me and have commented on that post so far, have you seen any of them suggest that it doesn't look like civ Golden??? Anyway, Hedgeowl's vote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I learned more from Ricochet about French than I did about Mafia in Golden's post.

A justification for how my posts are less useful than Rico's??? REALLY? Sockman said something in Economics about how he is afraid to get paranoid and make imaginary mafia teams in his head. I have no fear - in fact, keeping a clear 'theory of the game' in mind that fits with my suspicions is my MO. I'm much more likely to vote for someone if I think I can see who their team might be. Take my certainty on Aces in Roger Rabbit for example - how much more convinced was I when I had a theory of exactly how things were going down (a correct theory in that case, I might add).

Hedge, this honestly reads to me as a pre-emptive strike against Rico votes, and I don't much like it. Especially when you still have two whole more posts to use. Why me, why now?

Other thoughts:

DH, I love your green X chart, its a good visual aid. Because we have so few posts each and they may not always come at opportune times, I'm going to take a turn here:

A green X indicates remaining posts. A red number indicates how many votes a person has accrued for going over the post limit.
DharmaHelperX
DREAM XXXX
Elohcin XX
fingersplints XX
Golden X
Hedgeowl XX
ika XX
Long Con X
MetalMarsh89 1
Missing Person XX
MovingPictures07 X
Neverwhere XXXX
Ricochet XX
Roxy XXXX
thellama73 XX
TinyBubbles XXXX
Turnip Head XXXX

Also, Epignosis has 5 posts, so he also has one vote against him.

Elohcin wrote:Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah. You sound like Chrlie Brown's teacher in this post.

Elo, I didn't understand the point you were trying to make here. Care to explain it in more detail?

Elohcin wrote:What does everyone else think of MM and Rico at this point?

Very strongly considering a vote for Rico. It will be interesting to see MMs approach from here. Seems like normal MM to me so far, he has found a new way to self vote on day one.

Long Con wrote:That Golden sure knows how to pack everything but the cheese omelette into his post.

I'm pretty sure you'll find I've packed in the cheese omelette as well.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Four is not a limit persay.

I agree with this sentiment, except for the bastardized "per se". It seems as though Epig disagrees, but he just owns the playground - we're the ones playing in it. If I need to make a fifth or sixth post, I will do it... and I will do it with the adrenalin rush of pushing things to the limit, and risking it all for my goals.

I think there is a big difference between making 15-20 posts and getting yourself intentionally lynched so everyone else can talk more, and doing an extra post or two because you think it is the best approach to your end goal.

Lastly, I'm just going to say this because it's true. I fully intend to pack as much as I can into every single post I make in this game. That's the only way for me to feel as though my four posts have been worthwhile.

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I don't support or encourage MM's theory of the game. Sure, you may well be able to use that strategy, but it doesn't seem in the spirit of the game, it seems sort of like an exploit. (Although it is completely an MM thing to do to let himself die for those purposes.)

More importantly, though, I have no proof that a mafia couldn't have some kind of lynch switch or lynch immunity, and I'm not inclined to trust 'racking up votes on myself' as a good strategy.

I really encourage those who haven't posted yet to start posting. I don't know what inspired me to do this - perhaps all the meta talk in economics mafia, perhaps it's just because with only 4 posts I have some psychotic need to feel like each one has a genuine purpose. But I thought I'd post a brief synopsis of how well I know each player and my perceptions of how loud or quiet they are when they have no posting restrictions. I'll grade my perception of their posting habits in 5 groups - low, low/moderate, moderate, moderate/high, and high. Also giving some idea of how well I feel I've got to grips with their style.

DharmaHelper - I've played with DH a decent handful of times and hosted him. I would say he is a moderate/high poster, who is willing to be analytical in the thread. I feel like I have a reasonable grip on his style.

DREAM - I've played with Dream a couple of time back on RM, but I don't recall a lot and never had much of a read on her. I'd call her low/moderate from my memory.

Elohcin - I've played with Elo a few times now on the Syndicate. I'd call her a moderate poster. I really haven't figured her out yet, not one bit. I have found that I tend to always think she is bad early on.

fingersplints - Few people that I've played more often with. I'd say splints is low/moderate posting. I feel I have a good grip on splints style, although that doesn't necessarily translate to good reads.

Golden - I can't recall a game I've played that he missed. Obviously, high high poster. Dunno how he will handle this game.

Hedgeowl - never played with Hedge

ika - never played with Ika

Long Con - I've played with this FEB plenty. I think he is the only one playing that I've had mafia btsc with. I'd call LC a moderate/high poster, but I think his posting level depends on his engagement in the game. I think LC is very good at making little adjustments depending on how the thread is going. LC is someone whose style I feel like I have a good grip on, but he is very good at appearing civilian when he is not.

MetalMarsh89 - I've only played with MM a few times. I already feel I understand his style completely. It's also already fairly clear that MM is a strong candidate for most likely to blow his 4 post limit. HIGH poster! I haven't seen MMs baddie game yet, but from what others say I'm anticipating it will be hard to distinguish.

Missing Person - never played with this MP. Apparently a high poster from what I read in sign up thread.

MovingPictures07 - played a reasonable amount with this MP. High poster. Looking forward to seeing if he can pull off an emotional outburst in four posts think I have a pretty good understanding of this MPs style and a decent read on him.

Neverwhere - played with Neverwhere once (her only other game). Moderate high poster. She was mafia last time, and went the whole game without being called out. I expect that she could be an FEB but obviously one game is not enough for a read.

Ricochet - never played with Rico. Watched him a little in... Death Note? Impression was he is a moderate poster.

Roxy - Along with splints, I've been playing with Roxy as long as I've been playing, and I've played with her a lot. I see Roxy as a low/moderate poster. I think I have a decent feel for Roxy's game, but as with splints that doesn't necessarily translate to good reads.

thellama73 - I've not played with the llama enough yet. Moderate/high poster, but no real read. I feel like you get a better grip on his alignment from his content and not his tone/style.

TinyBubbles - played with her in all the games she has played. Low poster. I feel like I've already gotten a decent grip on her style, but I don't know how that will translate to alignment yet.

Turnip Head - he is clearly off-meta in this game!!! the only game I've actually played with TH where I know his alignment was when we were both indys in keeler, and we spent a good bunch of time getting to know each other in chat, so I feel that we have both gotten to know each other well in terms of our style and how we think. It will be interesting to see how that translates to the thread and alignment over a long period of time.

linki - llama, it does surprise me that most people have ignored the question, tbh, and I do think it is notable.

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thellama73 wrote:Same question to every player: are you bad?

No. What did you expect me to say?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Are spammers allowed to post more than 4 times a day?

You read my mind.

And that is post #2.

Two posts and you haven't voted for yourself yet??

Elohcin wrote:Yay Game! I am excited for this game. I think it is a great way for busy mafia lovers, such as myself, to still play a meaningful game instead of signing up for a speed/full game and playing half-assed b/c they cant catch up before having to vote. It's also good for beginning mafia players. Furthermore, practically anyone can host such a game as this, so if it works out nicely, maybe we can have one of these going all the time. I just hope four posts is enough to give us a read on who is bad.

It will be fun to watch vote numbers climb for those of you that can't handle the silence.

I'm very excited too, even though I'm one of those that will struggle shutting up (*cough* Roger Rabbit *cough*)

Ricochet wrote:omelette au fromage

You get four posts, and you waste one on a cheese omelette?

DharmaHelper wrote:I have a few ideas and strategies in order to try and catch mafia, so we'll see how that plays out. For now, I'll be carefully watching to see who is posting the least valuable information and go from there.

I have none, but I have count cheese omelette amongst the least valuable information.

Anyone who played economics mafia should be ready for me to place a drive by vote on Turnip Head

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