The Syndicate

Thanks guys! Wilgy was also deserving of MVP because he was instrumental in deducing Scotty's baddie status after my faux-Indy peek made me go soft on him.

Bah, nevermimd. I read the baddie BTSC thread. Not sure I've ever been on a baddie team without a designated leader to request all the kills.

If the player making the kill submission were to be blocked, would the kill be blocked? Or would it only be thwarted by blocking the baddie carrying out the kill?

But was Eloh the one who submitted the team's nightly kill as the Godfather until she died or did they function as a hive-mind on the kills?

If the latter, would their kill have been preventable at all before it was down to just rabbit? If so, please explain how. With a few heist games in queue the idea of a decentralized baddie team intrigues me.

Boo freaking yah! Thank goodness rabbit was the last baddie. I really did just post 'kill da wabbit' without reading what Quin posted about my real rolecard. After I read that, I got panicky. I hate the high-pressure environment of late-game phases. While I would love to take all the credit for peeking at all three baddies, my civ game is still weak. This was at most half my instincts and at least half a blind squirrel finding a few nuts.

I owe SVS an apology and a hardcore defense the next time I know she's civ.

Also, great hosting Rico! I'm a fellow flavor fan and I enjoyed the lengthy phase posts.

Bashing bunny boy's brains in for a mislynch leaves us at 5 v 1 heading into the night. Hopefully the game ends with rabbit. If not, let's use the next 24 hours to think some things out.

If rabbit is civ, then the six remaing players will be:
DrWilgy
Epignosis
G-Man
Quin
Spacedaisy
S~V~S

The working theory is that Wilgy is the civ jailer, I am the paranoid civ cop, and Spacedaisy is the indy role. That would leave the last baddie among Epi, Quin, and SVS.

Wilgy, who all have you jailed this game? The way I see it, we'd each have to pick a player to target among Epi, Quin, and SVS. It's a situation open to manipulation but we've got two lynches left if rabbit flips civ- a 4 v 1 and a 2 v 1.

Again, hopefully rabbit is the baddie or we've got a crafty baddie on our hands.

Linki: I hope so, Quin. If it's rabbit, then I managed to check all three baddies in five tries. Pretty lucky, especially since Scotty's peek was erroneous.

5.04

Ricochet wrote:

G-Man wrote:Before we assume this game is over, I have a question for the host- does my (the cop's) insanity get worse with each civvie lynch or each civvie death (lynch and NK)?

I totally posted my peek without reading what Quin posted about my real role card.

5.02

Death, of any kind.

Bugger that!

If I start with 10% insanity, then I'm not as reliable as we might hope for.
Day 0 - start at 10% insane
Day 1- civ lynch, up to 20% insane
Night 1- civ NK, up to 30% insane
Day 2- civ lynch, up to 40% insane
Night 2- civ NK, up to 50% insane
Day 3- mafia lynch, down to 40% insane
Night 3- no death, remain at 40% insane
Day 4- mafia lynch, down to 30% insane
Night 4- civ NK, up to 40% insane

If my peek was wrong last night, I'm about to become a coinflip.

5.03

Before we assume this game is over, I have a question for the host- does my (the cop's) insanity get worse with each civvie lynch or each civvie death (lynch and NK)?

I totally posted my peek without reading what Quin posted about my real role card.


5.02

Bring this game to an end. Kill da wabbit.

5.01

Back again between the wedding and reception. I was told that I could not say the name I was given for Scotty directly. Lucky for me, I snuck it into one of my posts in a manner of speaking. Looks for my post with the in it. I had hoped to draw a reaction out of Scotty with it but I understand why he didn't, knowing now that my peek was wrong.

Gotta jet. Reception in 20 minutes!


4.03.N

Back for a minute to strategize. I tried to check SVS night 3, so I can't check her again tonight. Figure out the consensus top two and Wilgy can jail one and I can check the other. Or does it make sense for Wilgy to jail himself?

4.02.N

Brilliant choice to not lynch me! That in no way resembles the information I got from my Scotty peek though. I'll check with the host to see if I can reveal what I learned now that we know who Scotty really was. I glad I was right about him back on Day 1. Too bad my peek on him caused me to reconsider.

So what's the working theory now? Who should Wilgy jail and who should I check? If either of us guess right, it ends tomorrow. I'll pop in before the wedding to PM my peek choice.


4.01.N

Better make one more post so I'm not on the spooky number. I'll check in tonight after the rehearsal dinner if I can sneak it in. If you lynch me, you're buttheads. If you don't lynch me, you're brilliant.

If I was block/protected last night and the baddies targeted me, then I can't be killed tonight, which means they can't stop my peek tonight. If they abstained on the same night I was blocked or block/protected, then one turrible coincidence.

Exit G-Man, stage left.


4.14

DrWilgy wrote:Gman, you can reveal your actual peak now. Was it Epi or Quin I see they are in your trustzone? I'll move my vote back to you if you continue this "block'd" meme.

After this check Svs tonight then Rabbit then GG.

Linki - his last post was too dank.

But I was told my peek was blocked. What more do you want me to do?


4.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-Man, you're in position to be cooked over an open fire as a claimed cop with a confirmed red peek. You should be raging with the anger of a thousand dragons right now.

Buddy bear, you should know me better than that by now. I don't raise holy hell about my own death when it's not lylo. Why not? Because it's not worth the effort to get all riled up and get angry over a game I play for fun in my free time. I kept my cool Day 1, started some meaningful discussion Day 2, used my power to catch a baddie, and helped get that baddie lynched Day 3. On top of it all I managed to keep my shenanigans going without any slips. For me, that's success enough. Scoring a win for my efforts would be icing on the cake.

Besides, I didn't expect to be alive today. Death would have been vindication over my doubters and spared me from the temptation to play mafia on my wife's sister's wedding day.


4.12

Better vote for SVS now, I suppose.

Scotty, my role card states that I am the civilian cop in nice bright neon-ish green. The description says I get to check the role and alignment of one person each night. It also said I would receive a free ID on another civilian at the end of Day 0.

A question for DrWilgy- does the phrase 'or do you?' mean anything to you?


4.11

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

G-Man wrote:Scotty
I know what role information I was given for you. It was a little spooky. In light of Wilgy's claim, however, I don't see you as an active threat to the civvies. If you are a survivor role, then you already know that siding with the baddies is foolish at this point. You're in this category solely because I believe my peek that you are an indy.

What do you think of my bonkers theory that Scotty is actually the baddie team mate of Elohcin who may have been "programmed" or otherwise incited to betray her? I think an independent check makes some sense in that scenario, as would his abject rejection of your peek.

Bold and outside-the-box thinking for sure but if Scotty was "programmed" to betray her as you suggest, wouldn't that violate the three non-vanilla guidelines? If Scotty could betray her, then he can "perform an action or trigger an event within the game," to quote our host.

My interpretation of Eloh's role description was that she was led to believe one of her teammates may be plotting against her. The existence of the term 'paranoid' in her role title suggests that she was duped into that line of thinking. I doubt she was told she was the Paranoid Mafia Leader. She was probably just told she was the Mafia Leader and that one of her teammates may betray her. The game is, after all, based on fear.

Scotty claims he is civ and not indy. I have to consider that I am what is called a Confused Cop, where my peek results are not completely trustworthy. My peek was correct Day 0 and Night 2. Night 1 is unconfirmed and Night 3 was blocked. If it's as simple as an every-other pattern, I would expect my Night 4 peek to be accurate.


4.10

Barren and silent this day has become. *watches tumbleweed roll by*

I want to get a feel for where everyone is at and lay out my thoughts as well. I will have to vote tomorrow by noon (EST) before I head to D.C. for the wedding. If you guys lynch me, oh well. With no kill last night, our odds got a little bit better and a few people have made claims that might help things make a little more sense.

Here is who I trust and don't trust right now:

G-MAN'S CIRCLE OF TRUST:

DrWilgy
Him coming forward as a jailer (and some questions to the host) helped bring some clarity to what we might be dealing with. The combination of what Ricochet explained regarding what he views as non-vanilla (powers/abilities that have an outward effect) and Wilgy's claim as the jailer (a role that I too am used to doing more than locking someone up for just the night), our three power roles may now be known to all of us. I wondered if he was being sneaky and picking up the work sig did as a cop protector but every other part of his game feels legit to me. His early vote on me could have been opportunistic of a baddie but that was before we got into our Q&A session. I trust him because trusting him and his claim helps make sense of it all.

Epignosis
His picking apart of JJJ's logic after I called him out on faking a peek reminded me of how he tore into every facet of my logic after Polo called me out on instinct in BSG. I'm sure he's capable of doing it as a baddie but I think he would have demanded I be killed Night 2. He's too perceptive to let that slide. In a game this small, killing the cop early is a difference-maker. I can't even imagine that Eloh would overrule him on something like that.

G-Man
Obvious, right? I have been as honest and forthcoming with you guys as the host will allow. I hope you consider all of the information laid out and theorized since the night post.

JaggedJimmyJay
Same reasons- JJJ would have demanded me dead Night 2. While I am glad that my calling you out led to events that may have broken this game wide open, I'm sorry it almost got you railroaded by Epignosis. I think you guys got into an ego and logic clash of the titans. Neither one of you are the stand-down type. Sorry for the mess, but look where it brought us?

Quin
His tone, line of questioning, and sincerity all adds up to a civ read on my spreadsheet. If you have fooled me, I tip my hat to you.



UNEASY BUT UNCERTAIN:

Scotty
I know what role information I was given for you. It was a little spooky. In light of Wilgy's claim, however, I don't see you as an active threat to the civvies. If you are a survivor role, then you already know that siding with the baddies is foolish at this point. You're in this category solely because I believe my peek that you are an indy.



SUSPICIOUS

rabbit8
I liked his early pressure on SVS but it got him hung up in a little tunnel vision. It could have been distancing because SVS more or less brushed his suspicions aside like they were no big concern to her. His Day 1 vote is hard to read into. Day 2, he tied the poll by voting INH. He was the last to vote, so we were bound to analyze his decision anyway. Thing is, we didn't. His vote could have been suicidal, being the first baddie to make a scene to give teammates something to hide behind. Otherwise, he looks like a late vote on a JJJ mislynch or he votes sideways, looking even worse. Hard to say for sure. His participation has been sporadic as real life gets in the way, which could factor in to that Polo kill.

Spacedaisy
I keep her here despite her claim of an indy role for a few reasons. First, Eloh listed Daisy as one of two desperation green peeks. The other was JJJ. She also listed her suspicions as me, rabbit, and SVS. Why not split the difference and put one teammate on each list? Maybe this is something we can dissect. Eloh giving her a bogus green peek can be brushed aside as something to ignore completely or it could mean she put Daisy on that list for the psychology of it. If a baddie is exposed and says "Player X is a civ" then we might suspect them of being a teammate. But once that happens often enough, baddies do it to set civvies up and we assume that baddies don't try it anymore because we got used to looking for baddie teammates in such lists. So Eloh says Daisy is civ and Daisy also comes out and proclaims she is an indy role. This could be legit or it could be done to make my thorny situation look even worse by countering one of my peeks. She was a later vote on Vompatti Day 1, a mid-pack self-vote Day 2, and a mid-pack follower on Eloh Day 3.

S~V~S
I've spoken at length about her before. Her absence during the Polo NK decision, her lack of fight early on, etc. Eloh also listed her as a suspect and provided a weak profile of her game. She voted late on the Vompatti train Day 1, cast a late sideways vote on me Day 2, and a mid-pack vote on Eloh Day 3. Could it all be a coincidence and real life just took her out of this one? Sure. That doesn't stop my spreadsheet from screaming baddie though.

What say you?


4.09

Scotty wrote:im in the process of moving. I apologize for my absence.

Who should I vote? This is quite uncharacteristic of me, but I am behind, about to take off on a flight, and am a free agent right now.

Barring any further developments, I plan on voting for SVS. I think there is a lot of evidence pointing her way.


4.08

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-Man: you peeked S~V~S to be sure before lynching her.

I would have expected you to peek me on Night 2 after my spat with Epignosis and your visible leaning in his favor even if you didn't commit entirely. Why didn't you peek me?

Because I wanted to spread a wide net. You seemed likely to be lynched the next day, so I decided to expand my knowledge base. If it hadn't been a red peek, your lynch would have me up two players instead of just one. If Eloh had flipped civ, I'd have been all in favor of lynching you.


This is where I have to leave you for the night. My sister-in-law is getting married this weekend and I have to help my wife (matron of honor) with her toast. I stepped in it today with her. She was anticipating a response along the lines of "oh that's great honey" but what she got was the speech contest-winning former Toastmaster in me told her everything that needed improvement. She waited until the week of the wedding but now a less-than-excellent toast is somehow my fault.

Linki: If Wilgy is telling the truth about jailing me, then the baddies may have targeted me, which means they can't target me Night 4 unless the host allows double-targeting.

4.07

Ricochet wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:HOST:

Do you interpret "power role" to mean "non-vanilla role" or "better than vanilla role"?

Define "better than vanilla role".

Better question: do you consider roles with passive abilities (survivor with an either/or wincon) but no active power to be non-vanilla?


4.06

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-Man, explain your rationale for your other peek choices as well.

But of course.

My Day 0 peek (INH) was given to me by the host.

My Night 1 peek was Scotty. He was my #1 suspect on Day 1. As tempting as it was to check Epi or SVS (to people who I always am slow to embrace) I decided to stick with Scotty. He had a fair amount of suspicion on him despite not getting votes and that told me that the baddies were not likely to kill him.

My Night 2 peek was Elohcin. I thought her game was off. As I've said, she seemed too agreeable to sidle up to the theories of others. She really seemed to latch on to Epi's parsing of JJJ. Maybe she thought that he'd be inclined to defend her if she agreed with him enough. Not sure how their married-mafia dynamic works.

Both my host-given Day 0 peek and my Night 2 peek have been proven accurate. My Night 1 peek is still undetermined. If there is a secret component to my role that I am not privy to, maybe my peeks are only accurate every other night. I don't know.


4.05

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-Man: why peek the player who was already the most likely to be lynched today?

Because I wanted to confirm her before lynching her. With my N1 and N2 peeks I was casting a wide net to possibly rule people out. Now I want to confirm.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-Man, how many posts did you make on Day 3 and Night 3?

22 and 3



4.04

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

G-Man wrote:Beats me then.

Possibilities that I can readily identify:

~ There are three non-vanilla roles in this game: cop, roleblocker, paranoid mafia leader. The roleblocker can belong to either faction. This would suit one of the scenarios you mentioned, but it doesn't explain Scotty as an independent. The roleblocker could have either prevented your cop peek or your night kill.

~ Baddie kill abstinence, meant to smear G-Man in a last-ditch effort to turn around a game collapsing over them. The roleblock can still come from either side. Scotty not accounted for.

~ Doctor protection on G-Man and a roleblocker. Too many roles, Scotty still unaccounted for.

~ G-Man himself abstained from a kill and prepared this explanation ahead of time.

---

G-Man: how do you know you were blocked?

Because I was told that I was blocked. No specification on how or by whom. Just that I was blocked.

I have to be honest about it because if the block came from a person, then they know I was blocked. If I tried to fake a peek, they would assume I am bad and come at me hard. I'm glad I didn't die but these circumstances suck.

All I know about Scotty is his role name and his alignment. My peek on him said nothing of any powers or abilities. Would an indy role who can win with either side count as one of the three non-vanilla roles even if it has no additional powers? Or could Scotty's role be the blocker?

Linki: great minds think alike, JJJ


4.03

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

G-Man wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-Man, what is your immediate reaction to this?

Bastardos! I was blocked. I finally get around to checking SVS and I'm blocked.

This looks horrible on me. No kill and one of you knows you blocked me. My only guesses are:

1) The baddies have a blocking role and abstained from killing

2) The baddies abstained from killing and the civ blocker doesn't trust me

Neither one is easy to swallow, so I'll leave my fate to you guys to decide.

There aren't enough roles for that, sir.

Beats me then.


4.02

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-Man, what is your immediate reaction to this?

Bastardos! I was blocked. I finally get around to checking SVS and I'm blocked.

This looks horrible on me. No kill and one of you knows you blocked me. My only guesses are:

1) The baddies have a blocking role and abstained from killing

2) The baddies abstained from killing and the civ blocker doesn't trust me

Neither one is easy to swallow, so I'll leave my fate to you guys to decide.

Blasted ISO's didn't provide much clarity.


DrWilgy

Overall, I like his effort this game. The only reason I feel a slight ping his way is that he filled sig's shoes as the "He's not the cop!" guy. Maybe that was the plan to fill that void if they were wrong about sig when they killed him?



rabbit

He started out early suspicious of SVS and stayed what I consider to be tunnel-visioned on her for quite some time. He broadened his suspicions to include Quin but that didn't seem to last very long. Could it be a one-trick pony bus move that didn't pan out for him?

He said he was on the fence during the Epi-JJJ spat. A nice position to plant yourself in. Uncertain middleground sets you up for an uncertain vote but he didn't vote for JJJ when he had the chance. He voted for INH, which could look like an attempt to vote smart by voting away from uncertainty.

He didn't post for a very long time beginning early during Night 2 (Saturday) and his next post on the site wasn't until Monday (partway into Day 3). Very easily could have been reading without being logged in but it matches the gap theory timeline leading up to Polo's confusing death.



Spacedaisy

Day 1 she deflected a little by saying she wanted to know more about people's opinions of others rather than people's opinions of her. She aslo threw a light civ read at Eloh. In retrospect, it seems odd. At that time, I thought Eloh was playing a game that was too agreeable too early. I was right.

Also she got wordy when defending herself. Rather than drop a sentence, she seems to keep going. I don't know her meta well, but this is what's in my notes.

Beyond that, I have no notes on her.



SVS

She employed a clever trick that I emphasized in BSG- pointing out someone who appears (even slightly) to be basing their vote on someone else's thoughts in order to blame them when it puts them on a mislynch train. She also accuses me of coasting on an auto-suspicion. Which is it? Sure, the combination isn't ideal but we both told each other multiple times in BSG BTSC that we'd never trust each other again after working together the way we did.

That was early and she didn't feel like the same SVS who pushed and prodded me in Spirited Away. When I threw some shade her way she responded in a manner more congenial than normal. She likes to defend hard unless she's toying with someone. Rather than punching back, her words were more of a cock-the-head-raise-the-eyebrow-and-crack-a-subtle-smirk variety.

She was also absent from the thread during all of Night 2, which lines up with the surprising Polo kill. She's got real life issues with internet connectivity but sometimes that happens. She couldn't avoid leaving her teammates high and dry that night. I also maintain that she would have told them to watch out for Polo. Not necessarily kill him but to watch out for him. That, coupled with the fact that nobody suspected him really, could explain why he died when he did.

On Day 3, she finally starts jabbing at me by calling my peeks into question. Where was this at the beginning of Day 3? Curious.

I'm almost certain she is one of Eloh's teammates.


Leaves me with three combos:

ELOHCIN-DrWilgy-SVS
ELOHCIN-rabbit-SVS
ELOHCIN-SD-SVS


3.03.N

Barreling toward the night post and I'm stuck ISO'ing people still. Going out on a limb, I'm willing to cross Epi, JJJ, and Quin off of my lists of potential baddies. That leaves me with six possible baddie team combos:

ELOHCIN-DrWilgy-rabbit
ELOHCIN-DrWilgy-SD
ELOHCIN-DrWilgy-SVS
ELOHCIN-rabbit-SD
ELOHCIN-rabbit-SVS
ELOHCIN-SD-SVS


3.02.N

BIH Eloh. Sorry to ruin your fun. Not.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:TBH if anyone around here pulls that gambit, it's G-Man. He's that kind of player.

3.01.N

S~V~S wrote:

G-Man wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So on Night one you did not CHOOSE Scotty to peek? I know nothing about peeking, tbh.

Both my Night 1 and Night 2 peeks were chosen by me. My Day 0 peek was given to me by the host.


3.21

Why did you not choose the person you voted for on Day One, me, to role check? Especially since earlier this day phase you were STILL mentioning me as potentially suspicious. Isn't role checking the people you suspect the point of being a role checker?

Because you were only my #2 suspect on Day 1. Scotty was my #1 but there wasn't any traction for a Scotty train, hence the vote for you. On Day 2, you dropped off my sus list but you're back to being #2 again because it makes sense in my head.

3.21

S~V~S wrote:So on Night one you did not CHOOSE Scotty to peek? I know nothing about peeking, tbh.

Both my Night 1 and Night 2 peeks were chosen by me. My Day 0 peek was given to me by the host.


3.21

Scotty wrote:Why did I slip to #3 on your list of 4?
Did you peek someone on N0?
Do you still think your peek could possible be too good to be true, and neither one of us are lying?


Post 10.

Befuddled by your first question. I've been limiting my sus list to three. Where did you get the idea that I have a list of 4?

I didn't actively peek INH at the end of Day 0. When I got my role, I was informed that I would be provided with the name of a vanilla civ at the end of Day 0. That's why I asked JJJ why he picked sig as his Day 0 peek. It was an attempt to catch him in a lie. When he corrected sig that he was given a peek, I had to consider the possibility that other players got a free Day 0 peek as well as me. I forgot that he was the host of Arrested Development and had a wealth of knowledge about peek procedures.

I trust my peek.


3.20

Best guess from my end is that Scotty is denying it for two reasons:

1) He's got an either/or win-con and knows the baddie team is still in tact and might still have a shot at winning

2) He doesn't want the baddies to NK him out of concern that his role could be threat to them


After getting my peek on Scotty, I did consider the fact that the accuracy of my peeks may be in question. Scoring an indy peek right out of the gate is lucky, and I considered it as possibly too good to be true. INH and Eloh's peeks being confirmed as they are gives me hope that my Scotty peek is also correct. His dismissal of indy roles early on, as Quin noted, adds credibility in my mind but it could be a coincidence.

Getting Scotty's peek on Night 1 is why I said my GTH reads needed adjusting on Day 2. I didn't want to post a revised list early in the phase because Scotty had been my #1 suspicion on Day 1 and I didn't want to draw attention to his slide in my suspects list. Someone would have wanted to know why and there wasn't anything Scotty said in the thread to justify such a drop. That might have been conspicuous to attentive players. Thankfully, the JJJ v. Epi cage match ensued and no one asked about why Scotty slipped to #3 on my list.


3.StephenKing

But if you really want to know why I didn't get NK'd last night, you'll have to ask Eloh. I was pleased as punch to make it through and score a red peek.


3.18

Because someone wasn't paying attention, didn't have enough help selecting the kill, or both.

3.17

But there's also this:

G-Man wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I'm voting INH.

Bah! You fool. INH is a vanilla civ!


2.32

A little less vague than my vague hint, no?

3.16

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Some things to be attentive to:

We started with 14 players and are now down 4, all town. I think that means that the most likely current ratio is 6 townies to 3 baddies to 1 independent. Those aren't great numbers, even considering we're about to eliminate a baddie. That could be one mislynch short of LyLo, no matter when the mislynch takes place. Scotty's role could also add complications if he is anti-town (a demo man is a possibility, or alternating night kills between he and the baddies).

The number of power roles and how they are distributed is dependent upon Rico's interpretation of the heist game guidelines. If he interpreted "three power role limit" to mean "just for the town faction", then that's quite different to "for all factions combined". I am inclined to think with the latter mindset, because it is the more dangerous scenario and thus the one best to be prepared for. We have one cop and one unknown independent -- that'd leave room for one more non-vanilla role. It could be on the baddie side, perhaps a godfather. Given the original numbers though (10:3:1), I think it's more likely to be on the town side, most likely the doctor who will be keeping our cop alive through Night 3.

G-Man wrote:Big baddie Elohcin needs to die.


3.01

No proof there's a cop in play. G-Man makes the power play. People bought what he was selling without question. Scotty denies being independent.

Bemoaning to rabbit that INH was a vanilla civ right before he flipped vanilla civ was just ballsy and lucky then?


3.15

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

G-Man wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-Man, did your peek on Scotty specifically identify him as "independent" or just "not town"?

Bona fide independent. It was even a lovely shade of golden yellow. I know his role's name too but RicoHost told me that I'm not allowed to divulge that info.


3.

Does the name of his role make you consider him an immediate or long-term threat to the civilian faction?

Bunnies, kittens, rainbows, and happy little clouds didn't exactly come to mind when I saw the name but I haven't seen anything in the host posts or results to make me wary of a nefarious power at work aside from the mafia.


3.14

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-Man, did your peek on Scotty specifically identify him as "independent" or just "not town"?

Bona fide independent. It was even a lovely shade of golden yellow. I know his role's name too but RicoHost told me that I'm not allowed to divulge that info.


3.

Been waiting all game to use that image!


3.12

Elohcin wrote:G-Man:
I've found G-Man to be inconsistent.
- Day 1 - Starting at the beginning, he weighs the different scenarios of JJJ being a cop and having a Day 0 peek. Day 1, he's inclined to trust JJJ.
- Day 1, he is against the no lynch option and says, " As long as we lynch somebody, those votes will still be informative." This statement says nothing about wanting to try to catch a baddie.
- Day 1 about voting for a lynch he says, "Voting for Vompatti would be information purposes and nothing else. Vomp's style is one that is appealing to baddies to leave in the game to mess with civvie heads." Again, he just talks about how it will give us information and says nothing about trying to catch someone who might be bad.
- He ISOs EVERYONE on Day 1 which seems a little mike he is trying too hard to look civ.
- Day 2 - Within an hour of the day's beginning, G-Man tells JJJ to reveal his peek. Apparently he is still believing JJJ is the cop.
- Day 2 - still hyped on JJJ's red "peek" and says this, "Blunt time I guess. If I had a red peek on Day 2, I wouldn't say a damn thing about it. That way, you can let the baddie you have a red peek on go about his/her merry way for most of the day thinking they can subtly interact with their teammates after a night of discussion."
- Later Day 2 considers JJJ as a baddie who is lying about being the cop.
- End of Day 2 votes JJJ.
- Night 2 - reveals Scotty as a green peek.
- Day 3, as soon as it starts, says I am bad.

I'm not going to go into anymore...he is just all over the place. He is trusting JJJ as cop, then he is not. He is saying nothing about being a cop, then he reveals alliances for two players.

3.10

Besides, you got a number of things wrong there. Chief among them is the fact that I never trusted JJJ as the cop.


3.11

G-Man wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

G-Man wrote:Because unless there are multiple roles that can investigate at night, you couldn't have had a peek last night.


2.06

I literally facepalmed when this post happened. I thought you were overreacting to my fake red peek ruse and exposing yourself earlier than ever necessary.

You're a corpse right now if I'm bad. I don't leave a cop alive in this setup, it's suicidal.

Baddies weren't paying attention then? Who of Wilgy, Quin, rabbit, Spacedaisy, and SVS do you see as being capable of not picking up on that?

I have a very hard time seeing Epi as a baddie. He's so detail-oriented that a post like that would have stood out to him as well.


3.08

By the way, I realize that the second question in this post sounds horrible. It sounded better in my head than it does typed out. I did not mean to insinuate anything about anyone's ability as a player. Lord knows I struggle as a civvie as much as anyone else.

Allow me to rephrase it- whose circumstances among those five do you see as facilitating a total miss on my post?


3.10

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Any of them. I mean no offense to those players; I just mean they're newer to this kind of game and may not be as accustomed to cop hunting and the importance of removing that role.

I understand your doubt about Epi. It's holding me back from calling him obviously bad. I don't like a lot about his post history (as he doesn't like a lot about mine), but he is right that the Polo kill is hard to attribute to him. It should be hard to attribute to me too.

I don't think any of those players are new to finding role hints..... If you think I missed it, well then, Okay.

Are you accustomed to it being imperative to remove an alignment checker at the first sign?

Bash me in the head with a 2x4 if it's never imperative for baddies to be on the lookout for investigative roles.

S~V~S wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I voted for Eloh. Since she appears to be bad for sure, why backburner her?

B/c I just wanted to see how gullible you all were in a game where infodumping is allowed.

You are willing to get lynched as a civ over an opportunity to laugh at how gullible the rest of us are?

Linki, I have barely read the thread, and I am the suck at hints for the most part. I read into what people say, I don't spend a lot of time on surface questions. One of the reason I don't like playing games with hints allowed.

While I believe that you have struggled to keep up with the thread, I have to call BS on sucking at hints. You picked up on all sorts of little things in BSG. We complemented each other on that front.

SVS's admitting to struggling to keep up with the game, coupled with her absence over Night 2 makes it easier for me to see her as part of a baddie team. As a baddie, she is more of an in-the-moment decision maker than a calculated long-game decision maker. She doesn't gloss over obvious details though.

I can understand why the baddies may not have remembered by post(s) challenging JJJ's red peek claims. While I got the ball rolling, Epi swooped in and cranked the heat up to 11. Epi and JJJ went back and forth for so long, I can see the baddies' eyes glazing over and just washing their hands of the whole mess if it was civ-on-civ in the hopes that it would lead to two mislynches.


3.09

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

G-Man wrote:Because unless there are multiple roles that can investigate at night, you couldn't have had a peek last night.


2.06

I literally facepalmed when this post happened. I thought you were overreacting to my fake red peek ruse and exposing yourself earlier than ever necessary.

You're a corpse right now if I'm bad. I don't leave a cop alive in this setup, it's suicidal.

Baddies weren't paying attention then? Who of Wilgy, Quin, rabbit, Spacedaisy, and SVS do you see as being capable of not picking up on that?

I have a very hard time seeing Epi as a baddie. He's so detail-oriented that a post like that would have stood out to him as well.


3.08

Back on page 16 right now. I like Epi's early arguments against JJJ. I now have two theories about the baddies if JJJ is one of them:

1) The original theory- JJJ acts like the cop and claims a Day 0 peek on sig in order to make himself look better by killing sig N1, flipping him as a civ.

2) The revised theory- JJJ acts like the cop and claims a Day 0 peek on sig in an attempt to draw out the real cop. JJJ and his teammates know sig is a civ anyway and his actions make them think sig is the cop. JJJ tries to cover his butt Day 2.

Claiming sig as his Day 0 peek serves a few purposes. It makes him look like he might be the cop, which would be a tempting proposition as JJJ is an awesome civvie. It also might make sig look bad if JJJ is lynched and flips baddie. While we all know the game of false implication, it's always an option because you just might get lucky. Even if it doesn't create a mislynch, it's at least a distraction to hide behind.

Either way, JJJ is bold for taking this course of action. If sig had flipped civvie cop, everyone would know JJJ does not have peeks. That could lead to his lynching. Yet, making a scene of himself early would be a distraction big enough for his teammates to hide in. We know they didn't have BTSC until Night 1, so the Day 1 thread discussion was probably pretty delicate and cautious. Come Day 2, they have a loose plan and contingencies in mind.

Succeed or fail, JJJ's go-big-or-go-home mantra and his skill as a player certainly makes this a plot worth trying. At the start of the game, no one even knew if there was a cop, so why not take the chance? You either trick a few people to believe in you or you flush out the real cop. In this case, JJJ and his team misread sig and JJJ swooped in early to clean up the mess by continuing the ruse.

That doesn't explain why they didn't try to kill DrWilgy last night since he was also questioning of cop-like assertions and JJJ as a baddie doesn't explain why Polo was killed other than he wasn't on anyone's radar anymore and was thus not useful as a pawn to them. Maybe JJJ had inklings after Day 2 that Wilgy or I was the cop but wanted another day to be sure about it.

For now, I give Epi a slight civ read and JJJ a moderate baddie read.


3.07

Breaking down all the options, there are 21 possible team combinations left. Eloh has tapped out, so we know she is bad due to that on top of my red peek. Thus, she is the first part of each of these combos:

Eloh-Wilgy-Epi

Eloh-Wilgy-JJJ

Eloh-Wilgy- Quin

Eloh-Wilgy-rabbit

Eloh-Wilgy-Daisy

Eloh-Wilgy-SVS

Eloh-Epi-JJJ

Eloh-Epi-Quin

Eloh-Epi-rabbit

Eloh-Epi-Daisy

Eloh-Epi-SVS

Eloh-JJJ-Quin

Eloh-JJJ-rabbit

Eloh-JJJ-Daisy

Eloh-JJJ-SVS

Eloh-Quin-rabbit

Eloh-Quin-Daisy

Eloh-Quin-SVS

Eloh-rabbit-Daisy

Eloh-rabbit-SVS

Eloh-Daisy-SVS


If there are any of those combos that you feel don't make sense, please provide a reason why we should not consider it. Anyone trying to shoot down a combo that they are on should know that I will just ignore that input because your input is subjective. I will attempt to whittle these down myself over the next two days. Think, talk, repeat. If we can deduce another baddie today, we can always leave Eloh on the back burner. Heck, if we can deduce all three of them, maybe they'll forfeit like in Arrested Development.


3.06

Beautiful catch there Quin. I think you're on to something. One thing that points me slightly to S~V~S as an Eloh teammate is Polo's death. If S~V~S is a baddie, I can almost guarantee that one of the things she told her teammates was to watch out for Polo. He caught on to S~V~S in BSG and it led to a downfall that came sooner than we'd have liked. It's easy to be leery of players who were just baddies because their behavior is freshest in your memory.

Now, S~V~S has had a lot of real life stuff going on so far this game. Initially, that made me waver on her as a baddie because she is committed to a team. She doesn't give up or leave teammates hanging out of negligence. She's going under the radar this game, hiding her online status. I'm not sure if she always does that but I feel like I remember her status being visible during BSG. Her last post anywhere on The Syndicate was early Saturday evening before the lynch post even dropped. With her hidden status, it's impossible to know if she logged in for night time BTSC but it is possible that she has been absent from the game and site since then.

It's a bit of a stretch just now but here goes:

1) S~V~S subs in for one of the quiet players.

2) Eloh knows that at least one of them is a teammate of hers that she hasn't been in contact with, so she asks S~V~S who she's subbing in for.

3) On Night 1, S~V~S tells them to keep an eye out for Polo because he helped bring her down hard in BSG.

4) S~V~S disappears an hour before the D2 lynch post and doesn't come back during the night.

5) Frustrated by not having all three minds present to come up with their kill, Eloh and her other BTSC partner opt for Polo because he's barely playing (which won't disrupt any of the finger-pointing taking place) and S~V~S warned them that he can be very dangerous if he figures any of them out.


Polo was a very weird kill. I'm going to spend time over lunch processing it more.


Linki: I can't tell if Scotty is just denying it or if he is in fact hostile to the civvie cause.

Double linki: S~V~S's last post before now was on Saturday, an hour before the lynch post.


3.05

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Eloh didn't "interact" much with Epignosis other than to thoughtlessly accept his suspicion of me.

I think the most likely baddie team is Elohcin/Epignosis/S~V~S. Rabbit is the biggest wild card.

Bueno. I've pondered the machinations of an Elo/Epi baddie combo since Epi really started mixing it up with you. Elo didn't seem like an independent thinker when she chimed in with agreement. I thought she had too much of an agreeable air about her since early on, which is why she's been on my sus list since Day 1. It started out weak but it's grown stronger, hence my checking her last night.

I haven't made my mind up yet on Epi though and need to re-read Day 2. Epi came out hard and fierce at you after I challenged you. They both voted for you and Eloh's vote is shamelessly opportunistic. Maybe they thought sig was the cop after all. Otherwise, I would think you are a prime Night 1 target, as dangerous as you are to baddies when you're civ.

I can understand both Polo's death and your non-death if civ last night. Polo, by his inactivity, ceased being useful. If he latches onto someone, he can be like a lamprey. BSG is a fine example of that. You had enough heat to be prime lynch candidate today, so they probably thought they could dispatch you via lynch. If you're a civ, I'm glad I went all balls to the walls and outted Eloh before the thread turned right for you.

You're not off my list yet, JJJ, and might not be until you die/the game ends. I have a field of seven players. Two of them are Eloh's teammates. This is going to be a very theory-heavy day for me.

3.04

DrWilgy wrote:Gman why did you vote JJJ yesterday?

Because I thought there was a decent chance he is a baddie. I still do. I didn't want to vote for Scotty (my N1 peek) because I don't know what the indy role can do or how large a threat it poses. My best guess is that he can win with either side.

Yesterday there were 12 living players. I knew three of them weren't mafia (myself, INH, and Scotty). I wanted anyone from the remaining nine to die and JJJ was our best shot. If he flipped mafia, then our odds just got better. If he flipped civ, then I would only have eight players to sift through.

Sorry for being such a pushy ass during the night but being hostile was the best way I knew to stay on people's radars and avoid a kill. Now we're down another civ and we've caught a baddie. Now there's just two left in a field of seven.


3.03

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My first inclination is to believe you, G-Man. I just have one question: why not wait until later in the day to reveal that like you said you might?

Because I feared waiting would allow the thread to veer off too far to be brought back around against Eloh. Besides, after my Scotty reveal, how long would you all have been willing to wait? I told you yesterday not to be a tease with your faux red peek. Why make a hypocrite of myself?

We now have two days of thread to look back on too, so the circumstances have changed. My delayed red reveal strategy espoused yesterday was for the first day of thread activity after the baddies had BTSC.


3.02

Big baddie Elohcin needs to die.


3.01