The Syndicate

So who got MVP?

C'est la vie. Everyone gets thoroughly embarrassed now and again. Can't say I've ever been on the flip side of this coin though. It's been many a year and my memory ain't what it used to be.

Clever trick putting themselves all at the Beach. They got lucky that the other Beach folk were so quiet. They blended in there perfectly. We brutalized each other in the Hatch. This is probably the most shame I've felt in a loss in a very long time.

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

G-Man wrote:Curious to know how they were able to kill Rico in the Hatch when they were all at the Beach.

Read sorsha's role!

Us being separated was just a massive red herring

Check that. Would the separation have been in effect and a burden to the baddies had we lynched Sorsha Day 1?

Spacedaisy wrote:I think she was acting so scummy no one could believe she actually was scummy, lol.

Can't agree with you there. I used reason to surmise that Michael could be bad based on the show. And Sorsha's behavior. Too bad this game suffered a sever case of quietitis. #CivShame

Curious to know how they were able to kill Rico in the Hatch when they were all at the Beach.

Golden wrote:

Spoiler: show

Sorsha has won. She was:



You are Michael Dawson. This season, you are a one note character who is only around to find your son. At least, that's what we all thought...

You are bad. You are a mafia godfather. This means that you are protected from any ability that could reveal you to be bad. This includes having to be in the same location as your kill target, although you must declare your location in order to be able to kill.

Called it.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Ugh. RIP G-Man.

Any particular pre-thread-unlocking thoughts?

Corpses are people too. Rezz?

Chasing is a good way to describe how I was reading you. You didn't bust in with set ideas like in Mad Max. You asked questions and tried to sort stuff out. Can you see how I made the connection?

Quin wrote:What do you mean I 'prefer not to have information', G-Man?

Check it out. You said it. It makes sense.

Can't follow my abbreviations? How's this- Low-Hanging Fruit and Lazy Rotten Deborah. No clue about that last one. My best guess is Losers Order S***ty Takeout?

Sorsha wrote:You act like you have no knowledge of our previous game play together but I know you and I have gone against each other in games before. I've contributed to your lynch and hounded you all game (or for multiple rounds at least) and it just makes me wonder if your attack on me this game is trying to head that off before it starts again.

Coincidentally, I checked the master spreadsheet. If you've hounded me in games we've played together here, you were either setting me up or wrong. I've yet to be a baddie in a game we've played together on the Syndicate. Much of my knowledge of pre-Syndicate interactions is hazy and limited at best.

Please also keep in mind that my list was based on ISO's from before the EOD madness. I haven't re-read the game in full yet to gain full context. No one said my reads will stay the same.

Calling out players who seem to be doing more roleplay than gameplay isn't hypocritical. It's an observation. Don't like my observations? Do something different. I'm roleplaying like a mofo but I'm working it around my gameplay.

I don't keep mental tabs on everyone. I don't know how certain names stick in my mind, but they do. I know we go back (were you Sorsha or another name back on STV?) but I don't remember much beyond that. Nothing personal. My brain can only hold so much information at once.

Don't try to paint me as the fun-killer. Been there, done that, poisoned the community. That's not my intent nor what I am doing.

Cool it, Des. I'm not leading anybody and I'm not part of any brigade. Maybe you should lay off the whiskey for a while. It seems to make you angry. Believe me, I know anger issues.

Coming at you with my pre-vote madness ISO thoughts. I plan on reading the full Day 1 to see how my opinions may or may not shift after digesting the events leading to Soneji's lynch.

This is broken into five categories: Good, Semi-Good, Neutral, Semi-Bad, and Bad. All names are listed in approximate best-to-worst order.

GOOD
Spacedaisy- Her reversal on me in this post was stark. She even seemed to lean in my direction. There wasn't any firm case against me outside of bashing my theorizing, so for her to adopt this stance as a baddie doesn't make sense. There's sidling up to LHF and then there's what she did. Too loud and visible to register as a baddie for me.

Elohcin- The start of her game confused me a little because it seemed haphazard and directionless. But this is a good thing, I think. Sure, she's undoubtedly tinkered with her baddie game by now but she didn't come off in a way that struck me as too agreeable, which is a quality I've spotted in her baddie game the last couple times. She's thinking for herself without letting her thoughts run away with her.


SEMI-GOOD
Quin- I just saw Quin all but clean up as a beast of a baddie in Mad Max but I liked his tone at first. He was curious and just a little confused. He prefers to not have information and he reads like someone who doesn't know much about the game. That's not easily faked but I'll keep looking for any signs of deception.

Soneji- He took a pretty direct approach to things and held fluff to a minimum. I like that. I didn't know that was his normal approach to the game. I've been in two games with him (Turf Wars & Spirited Away) and only one of those games featured direct interaction.

Insertnamehere- He was scratching around at things early on instead of coasting or getting silly with roleplay, asking questions about the game and open to game-relevant discussion. It can be faked, but it seemed genuine enough at the time, despite a small number of posts. More reading required on this one.

Scotty- He's busy and hasn't posted much but for some reason, my gut steers me off of neutral for him. Maybe that's just because he's Sawyer.


NEUTRAL
DFaraday- Low post count that skewed heavier on roleplay than relevant. He was coaxed into reaching for some LHF in Eloh. It's possible I have him and Rico mixed up. Hard to say whether a baddie is the first to suggest LHF or the first to warm up to it.

Epignosis- He's got Kate down to an artform. He's here but not very useful. I'm keeping him here because I have a tendency to auto-sus him.

Dom- I would have placed him in my semi-bad reads save for this comment. That's the kind of comment that comes back to haunt you if I do get killed. Otherwise, his content was lacking and it seems he wasn't paying much attention to the rules. Sick player coasting on Day 1 or slick baddie going under the radar?


SEMI-BAD
MovingPictures07- He had very few posts by the time I did my ISO's and he didn't contribute anything beyond suggesting Daisy was civvie, which I agree with. His post count exploded after that, so I will have to do much more reading to re-calibrate my stance on him.

Ricochet- Lots of pointless roleplaying early on. He only broke that roleplay to reach for LHF in Eloh (and later me). She's an easy target early in games because she's gotten busted once or twice early on recently. I can understand that he's busy hosting a game of his own but for someone who claims he is 10% invested in this game, he's doing alright in the post count.


BAD
Sorsha- Getting LRD vibes from her use of roleplay to coast through most of Day 1. Check her ISO- her first post with anything game-relevant in it came after I threw shade at her and voted for her. Why wait until the final hour of the day to engage? She mentioned not being good at Day 1's. I can sympathize with that's no reason to coast. Also, if any civvie-seeming role could go rogue in this game based on the show, it's Michael.

Combating a clogged shower drain right now. I will elaborate on my ISO's later. You can count on that.

RIP Soneji. That makes it five at the Beach and seven in the Hatch.

Can't say I agree about Soneji. Direct and to the point is civvie quality.

Continue on with the cataloging I started if I am lynched. You need every shred of data you can muster in these small games.

Linki: oh my

Count on my vote not moving. Eloh, I will not shift my vote to you to save my own skin. Let your vote be meaningful and not a self-preservation tool. I don't think you're bad because you posts didn't sound false and too agreeable like I think they do when you are bad.

Crashing at the hatch tonight. Can't go wrong with food, a shower, and guns.

Constrained by dinner prep. My three baddie suspects are:

1. Sorsha
2. Rico
3. MP07

Voting Sorsha for now. Her use of roleplay has resulted in the lowest level of content.

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden: Are the cover roles chosen randomly?

Can't see why they wouldn't be.

Checking ISO's is easier when there's a central launching point.

DFaraday
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
G-Man
insertnamehere
MovingPictures07
Quin
Ricochet
Scotty
Soneji
Sorsha
Spacedaisy


You're welcome.

Come on folks. I'm not clearing them for the whole game, just for today. You make it sound like Day 1's are never haphazard affairs.

As for my location- I will claim it based on whichever site strikes me as being more full of potential civvies. In all likelihood, there's at least one baddie at each spot already but I'm an optimist.

Correctamundo. I'm ISO'ing to see who I trust. Crazy Theory #2 is most likely to be that I can't trust players hiding almost exclusively behind roleplay. Interesting that you broke your shtick only a few times to cast shade. There's plenty of shade for you in the tiger pit. Just saying.

Quin wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Why MP, brotha?

He's one of few who hasn't declared his location yet. I'm inclined to believe the baddies would wait until later on so they can go to wherever their target goes.

Can't say I disagree with you there. It's possible that one of the baddies (assuming a 2 or 3-member baddie team exists) would wait until later to claim a location. Then again, they could just make sure to split up early-to-mid day and see which prospects come to either baddie member's locale. We're split pretty evenly right now, so if they split up, then they'll be able to kill whoever they want tonight without much danger of being outed too soon.

On Day 1, they probably won't be too worried about strategy just yet. These short games are notorious for civvies cannibalizing each other early on.

Considering that there is a 5.3% chance of repeating as a baddie cover role, I'm willing to chance it on Day 1.

Crazy Theory #1: Charlie, Kate, and Sun were all cover identities for baddies in Season 1. Both Charlie and Kate are roles that have been claimed. I trust these two roles out of the sheer unlikelihood that either one is bad again. That would clear both DFaraday and Epignosis for me. I'd prefer to see more (any?) substantive content from Epi but I find I'm suspicious of him far too often (like I am with S~V~S).

insertnamehere wrote:I dunno about you guys, but I think Ana, I mean, G-Man's plan could help us out, especially in order to protect guys who say they have, like, power roles that could benefit the civ cause.

I'm willing to give it a shot, and I'm gonna head over to the Hatch tonight. Jack told me to inventory the food, so I'm gonna try and get started on that. Plus, there's a record player.

Anyone seen Jack around? He's been kinda silent lately. Probably just went marching off into the jungle to go save our lives again.

Can't give it much of a shot tonight, seeing as you folks already have us split 5-5:

Beach Bodies
-Dom
-Scotty
-Soneji
-Sorsha
-Spacedaisy

Hatchlings
-DFaraday
-Elohcin
-insertnamehere
-Quin
-Ricochet

Undeclared
-Epignosis
-G-Man
-MovingPictures07



Or if you're the curious type like me...

1. Elohcin- Hatch
2. Quin- Hatch
3. DFaraday- Hatch
4. Scotty- Beach
5. Ricochet- Hatch
6. Soneji- Beach
7. Spacedaisy- Beach
8. Dom- Beach
9. Sorsha- Beach
10. INH- Hatch

I'm going to run some ISO's tonight while I have time. I want to see 1) which of you deserves my vote, and 2) where more people I don't trust are congregating for the night.

Spacedaisy wrote:G-Man losing a little of his standing with me already, that was quick. It was already pointed out that the baddies would want to be where there are more people, easier to hide. But he basically just tried to propose a plan that would allow baddies to easily hide without looking overly suspicious.

Crick in your neck after that sudden turnabout? Damn near gave me whiplash. Still, might be abit too obvious for a baddie to try. I'll look past this comment for now.

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:Circling back to this prior thought:

G-Man wrote:Converse strategy being we get everyone to claim a location and load up one location each night and only leave two people at the other (the Beach tonight, for instance). That way the baddies will try to flock to the fuller place to hide themselves in or abstain from killing if they're one of the two at the other site.

What do you all (everybody) think about piling the rest of us in the hatch, leaving three people on the beach to pressure any beach-dwelling killers into abstention?

What is the advantage of that?

Reading this does give me an idea of something to look out for, though. I'll elaborate another day.

Could be a useful way to limit the baddies' options. If only three people are on the beach and one of them is a baddie, it would take a bold baddie team to have their Beach Body baddie take out one of the other two and make it easier to figure him or her out. I admit that it doesn't help much but it could make one of the two locations a safe house of sorts.

As the game progresses, we could also coordinate the location calls and stick any super-civvies in the small spot. One part bait in case we're wrong about any seeming super-civs and two parts keeping those players out of harm's way.

There are potential drawbacks (bold baddies, an indy killer unafraid to draw attention, misreading players, abstentions, etc.) and the game may be too small to try it effectively. Then there's the human element. "Don't tell me what I can't do!" and whatnot (I'm looking at you Locke).

Just thinking out loud here, really.

Calling roleplay alone a contribution will land you in my tiger pit at best. Got any suspects yet? Or are you too busy pushing buttons?

Ricochet wrote:Ok, pushed the button five minutes ago. Figure I can do another around before sleep, anyone taking the shift afterwards?

Contributing something more substantive to the game would be appreciated. Or do I need to borrow Eko's Jesus Stick?

Circling back to this prior thought:

G-Man wrote:Converse strategy being we get everyone to claim a location and load up one location each night and only leave two people at the other (the Beach tonight, for instance). That way the baddies will try to flock to the fuller place to hide themselves in or abstain from killing if they're one of the two at the other site.

What do you all (everybody) think about piling the rest of us in the hatch, leaving three people on the beach to pressure any beach-dwelling killers into abstention?

Dom wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Dom wrote:I don't think you have searched every nook and cranny.

Care to elaborate or do you prefer being cryptic?

i just don't get why it matters who died before

Chances are now quite high that it doesn't matter. Daisy clinted at being Jack, who also died in the first game.

That leaves you as the only holdout. Do you believe that sharing is caring or do we need to clear out the armory in the hatch, tie you up, and make you talk?

Can anyone explain to me why Soneji isn't on the lynch poll? Our host, perhaps?

Converse strategy being we get everyone to claim a location and load up one location each night and only leave two people at the other (the Beach tonight, for instance). That way the baddies will try to flock to the fuller place to hide themselves in or abstain from killing if they're one of the two at the other site.

Scotty wrote:Well wouldja look at that? If no one moves their asses, we got 2 people on each location. Quin and that faraday guy in hat hell hatch, and me and twinkle toes rubbin kneecaps on the beach.

We comfy with that? It would be suicide if a kill happened to any of us and they ain't killin otherwise

Coward covered this in the rules already:

Golden wrote:3) Each day, declare whether you will spend the night at the hatch or on the beach. You may only be killed by a killer in your midst at your location. If you don't declare a location, you will be considered to be spending part of the night at each and therefore can be killed by any killer at any location. If a killer does not choose a location, they cannot kill.

If no one else claims a location for the night, then those non-claimers will be considered to be at both locations. By my count, we've got six location claims and seven undecideds:

Beach Bodies
-Scotty
-Soneji

Hatchlings
-DFaraday
-Elohcin
-Quin
-Ricochet

Undeclared
-Dom
-Epignosis
-G-Man
-insertnamehere
-MovingPictures07
-Sorsha
-Spacedaisy

What if we took a chance on leaving things where they are as of right now. If the seven of us who haven't claimed a bunk for the night continue to withhold a claim, then no baddies among us get to kill. If there's a kill tonight, we'll know at least one of the six claimers is a baddie. The baaddie(s) among the six would almost certainly kill one of the seven undeclared, thereby narrowing down two fields at once. A baddie among you six could always just abstain but how long would they be willing to risk that strategy?

Dom wrote:I don't think you have searched every nook and cranny.

Care to elaborate or do you prefer being cryptic?

Claire, Hurley, and Locke all died in the first game.

Could it be that simple or have we landed in the long-rumored zombie season?

Call it paranoia, awareness of history, or just a woman's intuition, but I don't trust Michael.

Soneji- you'd sound the same if you spent 48 days watching the people you're with die and disappear. I won't apologize for being hardened by hard times.

Dom wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Dom wrote:Listen, I understand where you're coming from. But you've got to have tact.

Care to explain why? I've gotten this far without tact. Why change what's working now that I'm on the other side of the Island?

Because you might piss off the wrong person and end up dead.

Come and let them try. Besides, I'd rather get killed by the real bad guys this time around instead of a whiny traitor with parenting issues.

Dom wrote:Listen, I understand where you're coming from. But you've got to have tact.

Care to explain why? I've gotten this far without tact. Why change what's working now that I'm on the other side of the Island?

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:wot

hey dom

hi

insertnamehere wrote:I guess the real quandary facing us is that if half of us go to the hatch, and half of us go to the beach, and someone from the hatch is killed, do we automatically clear everyone on the Beach? That seems like it could potentially backfire and be taken advantage of.

no/?

G-Man wrote:Cut the crap, people. This is Day 1, not Day 0. We need to get down to business. I didn't survive 48 days of hell to play nice, get it?

Quin and Eloh- you guys baddie teammates again? Tell it to me straight or I'll throw both your asses in a pit.

MP- produce a rainbow list within six hours or I'll talk to Mr. Eko about introducing you to his Jesus Stick.

hi ana lucia

You were supposed to have a flashback to Mad Max and promptly tell me to fuck off. Disappointing response.

Day One isn't my centric episode.

Centric episodes are overrated. Got anything useful to say or should we go for a hike?

Elohcin wrote:

G-Man wrote:Cut the crap, people. This is Day 1, not Day 0. We need to get down to business. I didn't survive 48 days of hell to play nice, get it?

Quin and Eloh- you guys baddie teammates again? Tell it to me straight or I'll throw both your asses in a pit.

MP- produce a rainbow list within six hours or I'll talk to Mr. Eko about introducing you to his Jesus Stick.

The only crap I got for you is the kind that came out of my butt. So gross. You'd think the doctor would have warned me about that one.

I am no baddie, btw. Are you?

Civvie here. Your answer sucks. Hope you like tiger pits.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:I'm John Locke, and I have a power role.

Bullshit.

I'm Kate, and I have a power. My ass.

Come on, we all know that Kate's pouty face was a stronger repellent than her ass was an attractant. I'm watching you, and I don't mean your ass.

Can anybody tell me if Hugo survived the first game? Or do I have to do everything myself?

Linki: same for John Locke.

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:Cut the crap, people. This is Day 1, not Day 0. We need to get down to business. I didn't survive 48 days of hell to play nice, get it?

Quin and Eloh- you guys baddie teammates again? Tell it to me straight or I'll throw both your asses in a pit.

MP- produce a rainbow list within six hours or I'll talk to Mr. Eko about introducing you to his Jesus Stick.

No. My role card is all kinds of confusing though.

Confusing, huh? I don't like confusing.