The Syndicate

Marco wrote:Took me a while to find where this game had gone.

Congrats, scum-team. Where's the scum chat?

Also, sig and MP legit "slipped" with assuming mafia kill D1?

Yes i think they unconsciously said it. for me, it was the perfect cover to try to continue to lynch them

MM i think the only thing you did wrong was the fact you killed that night.

one thing i account for as scum 100% of the time is a numbers perspective. when i saw us going into the day, i said vig should not shoot if we myslynch due to it leading to scum autowin

other then that you did good

and heres the pm i sent JJJ/dom when zebra asked me about my question (i was at work too)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hi Silverwolf,

I've spoken privately with ika a little bit, and he requested that I forward a message to you since he is still alive in the game. I've included you both as recipients. I don't object at all if you want to discuss this outside the game, it shouldn't hurt anything in there. If there is anything Dom or I can do to help you both, or anyone else on the site staff, don't hesitate to let me know. The message is attached below.

I hope all is well.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: sigh.......
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:47 pm
From: ika
To: Dom, JaggedJimmyJay

ika wrote: ok i know its been asked an i have beena voiding the answer about this for the longest tim e cus i dont knwo what to do.

what i want to say is "yes i killed silver"

and no its not for intentions of gamethroiwng (cus yes thats what i would be doing)

its much more personal, i have been feeling guilty all day phase and all night phase, i have eneded up crying seval times about it too. i have no appatie either, i have barely beena ble to eat.

i have intentionly not posted cus i just physicaly cant without doing such thing, i would explain it but i litarly alrady did it once (with vote switch)

i jsut..... i can even bear myself to read the thread out of guilt...

any adivce and if i were to do it what would MP/sig thing (not sure if you gusy know new guy)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My biggest regret is that I couldn't play in the game myself. I hated watching the competitive energy and ego of this game without the ability to insert my JJJ ass right into the madness.

if MP allows i can host the new setup as a special game and you cna play

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Also sorry MM if I was harsh on the vig. It is not easy to make that call. I usually go for lurkers if I can't find a truly scummy player but that's me.

Yeah, being the vig isn't easy for sure.

i lvoe vig, i get to shoot ppl and ignore everybody else

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

Yeah.

Not having day chat was incredibly paralyzing and foreign to me, especially at first. I wanted to tell IAWY and ika many things, lol, and I was especially frustrated by ika only going after his teammates, but the WIFOM worked out I suppose. I didn't feel it wasn't an easy game, despite the fact that there were still 3 of us alive at the end. I kept worrying about every single post I made; I tried my absolute best to make sure I was approaching the game as a townie. It was difficult to avoid confirmation bias, no doubt.

if you tried to tell me what to do i would of 100% ignored you. my scum play is complied of trying to forget my allies or bussing them to oblivion. i set an agenda to play as scum and will commonly ignore my buddies stuff to lack an awarenss or set up everything i need to do

I don't tell people how to play. I don't like people telling me how to play; furthermore, I think it's inappropriate. Trying to strategize is one thing, but trying to tell someone else how to play is another.

Nonetheless, it was difficult for me to navigate everything you and the rest of the team were doing without a day chat, especially since I'm very accustomed to it, but in the end it worked out great, obviously. It was great to get to play with you and get knowledge of your mafia game firsthand, and thanks for being a part of the team.

i only set up what people should potentially be doing, i mean last night you could see me literally saying what to do in the situation fo all of us in the JKer situation

ive dont both with and without day so it worked fine for me

this is probally (as silver said) one of my last game i will be doing for some time unles hydras become a thing. its too taxting one me. ill finsih anything signed/playing but other then that i will be not doing as much. have other RL obligations and setups stuff

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

Yeah.

Not having day chat was incredibly paralyzing and foreign to me, especially at first. I wanted to tell IAWY and ika many things, lol, and I was especially frustrated by ika only going after his teammates, but the WIFOM worked out I suppose. I didn't feel it wasn't an easy game, despite the fact that there were still 3 of us alive at the end. I kept worrying about every single post I made; I tried my absolute best to make sure I was approaching the game as a townie. It was difficult to avoid confirmation bias, no doubt.

if you tried to tell me what to do i would of 100% ignored you. my scum play is complied of trying to forget my allies or bussing them to oblivion. i set an agenda to play as scum and will commonly ignore my buddies stuff to lack an awarenss or set up everything i need to do

oh zebra, i was also sencere about PMing post game to talk between me/you/silver if your still up for it

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Effort is never indicative of alignment. If Ika is tunneling he either is a PR w results or its his scum team mate. He will also do it to me if I'm scum in a game and he catches me. Just an FYI no matter hi well you know someone, you should never rely solely on meta alone to read them. Good job scum team and congratulations on the win. Whoever the vig is, should hide their head in shame.

I don't agree with this; it can be. Mafia have to fabricate literally all of their content. It was difficult for me to do that, some of you didn't make it easy.

But it never is indicative with some players, including me.

but tats the thing, how golden was reading you was bassed on your effort and contents IMO. what silver is saying here is that usign that to abirtarly read someone will lead you to misread people

Silverwolf wrote:Effort is never indicative of alignment. If Ika is tunneling he either is a PR w results or its his scum team mate. He will also do it to me if I'm scum in a game and he catches me. Just an FYI no matter hi well you know someone, you should never rely solely on meta alone to read them. Good job scum team and congratulations on the win.

pretty much this, while me and silver will say we know each other, we read each other outside of meta reasons too and surprisingly more game related reasons then not

so golden, do you realzie now that no matter how well you knwo MP you cant say what you have said?

when you compared me and sivler to you and MP they were 2 diffrent things entirely.

god i need a soda i will post more later.

2 things:

first: sorry for the vote switch i dditn mean to make the "two seprate votes" i wanted to change it back but couldnt

second: while i was scum, my rage and argument was 100% NAI, i would of done it as town and scum. when scum has living majority at SOD, game should be over. thats why i got so upset.

and FTR yes i killed silver, and yet it ate me alive and the only way i was able to overcome it was being able to talk ot her (I pmed JJJ and dom about how much guilt i had after and how i wanted to gamethrow)

sig wrote:........

Will you two stop acting like children and STOP VOTING!

Like I mean are you seriously on the last day No Uing each other.

HOW ABOUT YOU EAT ROPE TOO YOUR STILL SCUM

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:me and silver litraly had this same scnario once before where it was 2 scums (us), 1 scum, 1 town.

it didnt end due to a bullshit possible tie outcome

Sounds like you're upset the game hasn't ended.

ika, are you bad?

WILL YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY YOU FUCKING SCUM THE FACT ITS NOT OVER IS FUCKING BULLSHIT OF COURSE IM NOT SCUM

THE GAME IS OVER TOWN DOES NOT HAVE CONTROLL OF LYNCH

VOTE IKA

Umm, nice analysis.

MM HELP ME VOTE THE GOD DAMN SCUM OFF IF THE PLACE WANTS TO USE BULLSHIT MECHANICS TO MAKE REASONS TO NOT END THE GAME THEN LETS DO IT

VOTE MOVING PICTURES

EAT FUCKIGN ROPE

litarly every game i have ever fucking played, if scums are tied at SOD its scum win.

bullshit tie mechanics is not mafia

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:me and silver litraly had this same scnario once before where it was 2 scums (us), 1 scum, 1 town.

it didnt end due to a bullshit possible tie outcome

Sounds like you're upset the game hasn't ended.

ika, are you bad?

WILL YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY YOU FUCKING SCUM THE FACT ITS NOT OVER IS FUCKING BULLSHIT OF COURSE IM NOT SCUM

THE GAME IS OVER TOWN DOES NOT HAVE CONTROLL OF LYNCH

however the final scum gave in cus how it is,is that they couldnt win so they gave up, this is the same situation.

tie voting is not controlling a lynch, thats jsut chance

me and silver litraly had this same scnario once before where it was 2 scums (us), 1 scum, 1 town.

it didnt end due to a bullshit possible tie outcome

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:Honestly, the game should be over. Us town doesnt have controll of the lynch, i checked the wincons on MU and this is what scums wincons are

You are Mafia Goon. You win when Town can no longer control the lynch.

Controlling the lynch is arbitrarily defined at us town being able to use our numbers to lynch scum without their assistance, when its 3v3 its impossible for us to do it by natural means.

Can't we control it via tie / coin flip?

thats not mafia, thats jsut trying to win by luck and chance.

pedit: no im talking realsitic here MM, even if i was scum i would argue this

Honestly, the game should be over. Us town doesnt have controll of the lynch, i checked the wincons on MU and this is what scums wincons are

You are Mafia Goon. You win when Town can no longer control the lynch.

Controlling the lynch is arbitrarily defined at us town being able to use our numbers to lynch scum without their assistance, when its 3v3 its impossible for us to do it by natural means.

DrWilgy wrote:

ika wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Waiiiit!! Ika is reminding me of Matt in the GoC!

VOTE IKA!

Sig don't think you can dodge me since I'm not voting you currently!

im not matt....

Yeah, but mafia Matt held a single suspicion on someone all game and skated by to win on it.

Hmm... Mafia Zebra did something similar in Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Starting to seem like a scum trait.

@Sig, do you wanna cfd onto Marmot?

my tunnling is very much a null tell in itself, ive done it town and scum

DrWilgy wrote:Waiiiit!! Ika is reminding me of Matt in the GoC!

VOTE IKA!

Sig don't think you can dodge me since I'm not voting you currently!

im not matt....

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

ika wrote:

Golden wrote:

ika wrote:why the hell do you think i refuse to change? nobody has yet to come out with a "oh they are cleard cus role" nor has anyone ever given me anything to disprove them killing off silver n1 for her accuracy

Because you are stubborn.

hi pot im kettle, we are both black

Well this is also true.

wait golen is black? i thought he was gold....

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

ika wrote:oh and as a bonus, lets add in condescending.

like goldn tell me how this is town!mp at all?

How is tunneling and provoking another player town behavior?

tunnign is wanting to get results, nobody has once really given the efforts to go with me so i will jsut continue untill porven ohterwise.

as for provoking, thats like number 1 way i start to read people

Golden wrote:
1) If you are scum, this game will not be forgotten, and if you get all stubborn I will remember. I will remember
2) If you are town, I'm looking forward to hearing from you after the game.

so if im scum everything i say now and post game will be ingored?

MovingPictures07 wrote:This is pointless. ika is the most closed-minded, stubborn player I've ever seen.

I'm going back to analysis and won't be responding to in-thread posts for a bit, otherwise I'll never finish.

socky for that too?

Golden wrote:

ika wrote:why the hell do you think i refuse to change? nobody has yet to come out with a "oh they are cleard cus role" nor has anyone ever given me anything to disprove them killing off silver n1 for her accuracy

Because you are stubborn.

hi pot im kettle, we are both black

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:"All I have done is discredit Silver" = like wut

What game are you playing, ika?

I don't intend to get in an unnecessary back and forth though, so whatever.

and here it is again, hes trying to avoid the discussion, and you know all you did was basically discredit her, and your post here is doing the same damn thing

your not refuting the poitn im making...

That's because it's a ridiculous point.

I've done so much more this game than "discredit Silver", and I never did that to begin with. I listened to her meta read of you, otherwise I would have led a lynch on you by now because your playstyle is inherently suspicious (in my view).

I've conducted analyses, I've engaged practically everyone in the game as much as possible, and I've taken literally every opportunity I possibly could to attempt to solve this game.

To summarize my play as nothing but "discrediting Silver" is not only an incorrect view of my back and forth with Silver back on d1, but completely ignoring literally everything else I've done all game.

It's also ironic, because since d1 you've pretty much coasted.

doesnt matter how ridiculous, your activly tryign to avoid discussion and only discredit.

you discredited her all day one when she was pushing you, hell if anything golden did it more

i have not been ignoring it all i have been ignoring agood chunk cus any most anyais can be tailored to ones view.

i mean i coudl do the same thing you had and chage up the entire narrative

and its irnoic how you misrepresent me about past day 1 cus silver was never expctivly town reading me at her time of death

why the hell do you think i refuse to change? nobody has yet to come out with a "oh they are cleard cus role" nor has anyone ever given me anything to disprove them killing off silver n1 for her accuracy

Golden wrote:If you want to bet your 'win con' on all of silver's reads being right, then you go ahead. I have no problem with you losing if you are wrong. That's up to you.

But I mean, how can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously when you say all of these three things today:

"All I see is scum from [MP]"

"[MP is posting] filler"

"[MP has] not really given me any TLDR stuff so I didn't even read [MP's posts]"

To me, that says it all. you aren't even reading his posts. So why should your view he is scum hold any weight with me at all? Because silverwolf called him out for things I know as a fact he does when town?

Yes, and you should of realized now i am always one to have little to nothign on cases or reason but silver dying n1 is tellign enough in itself

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:"All I have done is discredit Silver" = like wut

What game are you playing, ika?

I don't intend to get in an unnecessary back and forth though, so whatever.

and here it is again, hes trying to avoid the discussion, and you know all you did was basically discredit her, and your post here is doing the same damn thing

your not refuting the poitn im making...

oh and as a bonus, lets add in condescending.

like goldn tell me how this is town!mp at all?

MovingPictures07 wrote:"All I have done is discredit Silver" = like wut

What game are you playing, ika?

I don't intend to get in an unnecessary back and forth though, so whatever.

and here it is again, hes trying to avoid the discussion, and you know all you did was basically discredit her, and your post here is doing the same damn thing

MovingPictures07 wrote:I just can't see why it'd ever be a good idea to drop the hammer, even if days were 90+ hours.

you have caught scum? a cop guilty? tracker guilty?

i mean you cna talk for a bit but theres a point where its no longer porductive and we are reahcing that point

Golden wrote:
No ika, it isn't like that at all.

You are coming in to my house and telling me things I know are wrong. I don't have to know every detail of the law to know your legal advice is wrong. I might not know what the legal advice should be, but I know damn well YOUR legal advice is wrong.

and we are not ina legal system here so what your trying to comapre here is apples ot organges

The reasons silverwolf suspected MP were bullshit. Your reasons for suspecting him are also bullshit. You don't know what you are doing or what you are talking about. And trying to make it about 'mafia experience' is not going to help, because it's not MAFIA EXPERIENCE you are refusing to listen to. It's personal, one on one, experience and knowing a friend. The kind I'd listen to if it were you and silverwolf talking about each other.

ok no, THEY WERE NOT FUCKING BULLSHIT AND YOU KNOW IT. you can call ym reasons shit all you like but when you get on to DISCRETING A CONFIRMED TOWN it shows that you are only listeing to yourself.

i have tried lsiteing to you golden but i dont see it, all isee is scum form him and im not letting up. silver called him out on reasons she has seen though multiple scums (not one person, mutipile people) and mutiple games.

so bullshit to you, MP has done nothign but discredit silver while she was alive and discreits me and you refuse to change your stance one bit.

you want to call me out on bias? how about you take 2 stpes back and take one chance and think of an MP!scum world.

comparing me and silver to you and MP is NOTHING LIKE US. NOTHING COMPARES.

its not even close golden. dont ever, and i MEAN EVER, try to act liek its the same situation or that silver is worng on this. i bet the entire game on her reads right now

Golden wrote:Oh. Why are we having a 60 hour day?

Thats actually really annoying lol.

duh its weekend, thats kinda why i am gettign annyed and would ahmmer anythign at this point

Golden wrote:

ika wrote:

Golden wrote:Ika, its as though you are walking into my BTCS and trying to give me Maifa advice without ever having had any Mafia training.

i got 4 years of that golden

Nah, its not like this. It's like the other thing. And please don't change my quotes without acknowledging it.

Its enitrelt like this golden. and i changed it to mafia equivalents. my response was to your orgnial quote in mafia terms

FTR i did mock trial in HS so i do kinda knwo some vauge stuff about legal

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I've gotten sidetracked and not really started the MM interaction yet. I still hope to get the rest of these done tonight, but we'll see.

56 minutes.

What, why 56 minutes?

why not 42 minuites?

Golden wrote:Ika, its as though you are walking into my BTCS and trying to give me Maifa advice without ever having had any Mafia training.

i got 4 years of that golden

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

Golden wrote:He's been using rl? Whats he doing with 600 posts then?

filler and trying to look town to fool you? he has been bring up RL a lot, im not saying "OMG HES NOT POSTING HES SUING RL" but he has mentioned rl a lot

LOL, you think I've been posting filler?

Okay then.

yup, you have not really given me any TLDR stuff so i didnt even read it

Huh?

exactly

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

Golden wrote:He's been using rl? Whats he doing with 600 posts then?

filler and trying to look town to fool you? he has been bring up RL a lot, im not saying "OMG HES NOT POSTING HES SUING RL" but he has mentioned rl a lot

LOL, you think I've been posting filler?

Okay then.

yup, you have not really given me any TLDR stuff so i didnt even read it

Golden wrote:He's been using rl? Whats he doing with 600 posts then?

filler and trying to look town to fool you? he has been bring up RL a lot, im not saying "OMG HES NOT POSTING HES SUING RL" but he has mentioned rl a lot

Golden wrote: I am constantly reevaluating. Everything MP is doing in this game is furthering my view that he is town, he is putting in ridiculous amounts of efort that he would not do when scum. If he was scum, he would hide behind rl just a little bit more (and he could do that so easily and jusifiably). It's basically as obvious as it could ever be that MP is town. The fact you refuse to see it says a lot more about you than it says about how him.

and you relize he has been using RL all game long that silver has called him out on before she died? and you lreaize any scum can jsut do this themselfs?

like just based on your wroding along you refuse to revaulte your MP town read at all, jsut acknowledging it and then going "oh but hes looking more town as he post" only shows me that your not revualting it at all and only turning more and more to "MP is town no amtter what"

pedit: i know but jsut read my post and mayeb you will realzie what im trying to tell you is your current thinkigns is going to screw you as qeualy in the champ game

Golden wrote:

ika wrote:

Golden wrote:No, I'm not going to take a bet, ika. It's the kind of thing I'll consider in the early game, but not in the late game where it could end up affecting who gets lynched.

It's sufficient that after the game one of us will be right and the other wrong.

no its not, if your not willing to eevr consdier MP scum you should have no quralles to taking the bet. i doubt its going to affect the lynch either

Well, you can live with your perspective and I will live with mine.

I'm not interested in a bet about my signature in my champs game, no matter who is proposing it, over what thing, for whatever reason. Nada.

then you admit that you could be worng on MP and you should revaluing it, that or join me on sig

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
No, I don't do sig bets anymore. They're against the spirit of the game.

sig bets are essenal to the game

You and I couldn't be any more different.

acutaly i think we are quite similar :P

Well, I suppose that's possible; I don't know you that well yet.

I just meant with regards to mafia.

how much do we want to bet on that :P

sig wrote:Bet's about sig are not essential to the game, what am I something to bet on hmph.

yes, you are.

i like betting you a lot

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Also ladies and gents... I was just forcefully ejected from 3 other games I was in... If you were wondering why I was around more often

'What! Why?Y

Linki: I nominate Matt, no question

My vote is Matt too! Sorry Ika!

i doubt matt can compete with me, i saw him in truf and thats nto tunnleing

Golden wrote:No, I'm not going to take a bet, ika. It's the kind of thing I'll consider in the early game, but not in the late game where it could end up affecting who gets lynched.

It's sufficient that after the game one of us will be right and the other wrong.

no its not, if your not willing to eevr consdier MP scum you should have no quralles to taking the bet. i doubt its going to affect the lynch either

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I will give you "World's Biggest Tunneler" award though, since that's all you're doing.

make that a socky and i will 100% self nom it

Lol, that actually is not a half-bad idea for a Socky.

sweet ill be taking it then