The Syndicate

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Hey Soneji, could you please be a bit more specific about my case against Epignosis -- what about it did you find agreeable? I just need to assess your mindset.

That Epi makes himself out as a big shot yet avoids any matters where he can show his superior knowledge as well as his tendency to avoid direct accusations. That post he made in regards to Enrique about liking it when he can just vote without noticing it threw up some red flags during one of my full read throughs, as has his shifty behavior on tight lynches.

Is there a way to be directed to the post people are quoting on this site? On NF, there is a little arrow we can press on directly quoted posts to be sent straight to them. It really helps in terms of context. On the surface Epi's case against sig looks bad and sig has probably the worst look based off solely where his votes have been placed. Looking at context for both his Ika and gleam votes, I don't see anything really worrying though. The quote Epi is using of sig saying he doesn't like the Ika/gleam wagons is from day 1, the votes from sig on them are from days 2 and 4 respectively. Silver's defense of Ika day 2, specifically Silver saying she'd be demoralized if Ika was lynched, is what prompted sig to be more suspicious of Ika. He also thought that the CFD on Fuzz was an attempt to save a scummate and the Ika lynch was the only one of the original three(Epi/gleam being the other two) with enough steam left for sig to jump on to oppose this attempted save. I won't hold it too much against sig that he opposed the CFD, several confirmed townies did as well and the reasoning against CFD's is valid, even if it worked out in our favor. sig's change of mind on gleam also had progression to it, starting with him liking MetalMarsh's ISO on gleam and then gleam from what he said slipping under the radar post d1.

I don't see anything really indicative of malicious intent with sig's actions. The Prisoner's argument against Epi is much more indicative of someone whose trying to manipulate things to a specific end.

Sloonei wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Why is TH in your second tier of suspects and not your first?

For the same reason I'm voting Boomslang over TH really. I haven't seen anything I can view as townlike behavior from Draconus, Boomslang and Chaindeath while I have a bit of reason to doubt my read on TH, which has its main basis in his reaction to the lynch options on day 2. He did in the end vote for Fuzz and if scum, had the time to set up the potential to vote for someone else if the need arise. Then there is the possibility of Ika as the seemer, which muddies the water a bit more.

What about the thought of DDL as the seemer?
The one thing about TH that makes him a more appealing lynch today is that the case on him is the most substantial one that there is in this game. We all seem confident enough with Boomslang, but a large part of thay is his inactivity. Turnip Head has provided lots of content to analyze, and the results have come back mostly scummy. That's the way I see it, at least. Others do not need to agree.

I will need to review TH's full post history more to say whether I'd agree that he has an overall large amount of scummy content, after I get some sleep. What I have seen from TH isn't as standout scummy as Enrique's posts though and my suspicion there isn't based on his replacements inactivity. While I have sympathy for those replacing very likely mafia like Enrique, the evidence against the former owner of their role is too much to let fly.

Sloonei wrote:Why is TH in your second tier of suspects and not your first?

For the same reason I'm voting Boomslang over TH really. I haven't seen anything I can view as townlike behavior from Draconus, Boomslang and Chaindeath while I have a bit of reason to doubt my read on TH, which has its main basis in his reaction to the lynch options on day 2. He did in the end vote for Fuzz and if scum, had the time to set up the potential to vote for someone else if the need arise. Then there is the possibility of Ika as the seemer, which muddies the water a bit more.

Sloonei wrote:Hi Soneji. We seem to be in the process of deciding which one of Turnip Head and Boomslang we should lynch first. It's probably time we all started gravitating for a single one of them in the poll. Who do you think it should be?

I think there is less margin for error with Boomslang. There is nothing about Enrique's posts that even come close to looking like town and Boomslang has been a non-entity.

I think that may be as far as I go trying to do full rereads on the thread. Even with all the dead players its taking too much time and the first two days have given me a strong enough stance on most that I can just go through post histories for anything going forward. Out of all those remaining, S~V~S and Black Rock had the least presence, barely remembered much of what they said. The former at least had a critical enough part in the Fuzz wagon gaining traction that I feel good about putting him in the town pile. Only posts I remember from Black Rock are her calling out TH and Epi for not being on their top game.

Chaindeath, Draconus and Enrique/Boomslang are the ones I feel the strongest about as scumreads. Next level would be Serge and TH. Then Epi and Nero. llama, BR and Scotty are rather null reads. Rest I'm pretty confident as being town.

Pages 41-89. Its relieving that there were just some pages I could skip as it was just Ika and SW back and forth...

Serge wrote:Hello everyone, sorry for missing out on the last day. I've read up until page 15, hopefully I'll catch up tomorrow.

I'm quite surprised at the number of new players in this specific game. The thread is going so fast and references on other games flash by here and there. Let us be civil(no pun intended), it seems some sparks are flying.

Who/what is a linki? When I catch up hopefully I'll be able to form a clearer picture. If it doesn't come in that form, I'll make that investigation board instead. No matter what happens, I'll cast a vote this day phase.

Serge wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Serge wrote:Hello everyone, sorry for missing out on the last day. I've read up until page 15, hopefully I'll catch up tomorrow.

I'm quite surprised at the number of new players in this specific game. The thread is going so fast and references on other games flash by here and there. Let us be civil(no pun intended), it seems some sparks are flying.

Who/what is a linki? When I catch up hopefully I'll be able to form a clearer picture. If it doesn't come in that form, I'll make that investigation board instead. No matter what happens, I'll cast a vote this day phase.

Hello again Serge, "linki" refers to when a new post pops up during the time you are typing your own new post.

What would you say is your general strategy on Days 1 & 2 of a Mafia game? Has this game been busier than what you are accustomed to?

Hullo Sloonei, I have just arrived at your post. Thanks to you and that other person that explained linki.

I don't like 0s and 1s as they usually revolve around random guessing and nitpicking the tiniest bits of text that may be construed as scummy. An example would be llama saying that Luffy complaining that the game is hard for cops is scummy is an example.

For Day 2, I generally put who got lynched and nightkilled front and center, using the posts from the previous day to try and find any links as to how both these things transpire.

I'm going to resume reading now, see you when I catch up.

These promises of activity, especially regarding whatever he meant by an investigation board and looking at arrests/lynches as his main basis for scumhunting, never came to fruition. He also had a slight fixation with being sure to vote. After the post above his next posts about three and a half hours later are these:

Serge wrote:Can someone tell me if the clock on the front page is the same time everyone is seeing?

Serge wrote:@thellama73, is your vote for Luffy serious? If so, why?

Serge wrote:Thanks! MP actually just told me that. It's really nifty and useful.

Then he ends day 2 voting Ika without any detailed reasoning:

Serge wrote:I like thellama73's in-depth post about why he thinks Luffy is a cop. I don't necessarily agree with it but that amount of perception doesn't reek of scum to me. If he held on to just the "this game is hard to win for cops" thing, I may have voted for him.

I think ika is acting like a very naughty deer caught between the headlights. I honestly don't remember the case against gleam anymore, and the one against Epignosis half-built on his meta, which I don't take stock on.

Um, someone tell me how to vote.

ika

Does that work?

The rest of his posts are just him defending himself a bit and mostly putting all attention on some of the motives around the day 2 CFD.

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath has finished reading all of the posts to this point, in the stead of lunch might he add. He would like to acknowledge that he is flattered that thellama would not vote to lynch chaindeath. However, He wishes to let his suspicions be known of Matt and Silverwolf. Matt is acting oddly, and chaindeath is not put at ease with any of Matt's posts. Silverwolf seems fishy as well (odd since shes a wolf and all) he is not comfortable with the snap votes as soon as the polls opened.

Also Chaindeath would like to start a discussion about the hosts night powers. Perhaps the flower of the cosmos was able to redirect the night arrest away from the intended target, especially since in the day before she lost quite a bit from her family. He proposes that she is trying to keep her family at a size that would allow for a fighting chance. In the same mannor,he took the cup, that He thinks that the foot-covering used his power to radically harm the her family. He requests your thoughts.

So he says hes read up, appealing to sympathy maybe by mentioning he missed lunch to do so, yet he gives very vague reasoning for the two posters he finds suspect then suggests talking about host night powers, which outside of thinking the arrest was redirected to Tranq by Spacedaisy holds no relevance.

Enrique wrote:Voted RadicalFuzz. No reason.

Enrique wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Both the gleam and ika wagons are highly suspicious/dubious.

I agree with this but I also seem to have missed the Epignosis one being a thing at all.

Enrique wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I'm starting to feel better about an Epi vote than ika. Ika's frustration about all the votes he's getting seems genuine.

Did anyone say... three way tie?

Let's not. Ties are the devil, never mind three way.

Enrique wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I am starting to feel more inclined to vote for Epi, and if I reach a point where I'm confident enough to do that, I will do it.

Is that gonna happen on its own? Are you looking for encouragement?

also why is everyone voting fuzz now wtf i wasnt serious

Enrique votes Fuzz for "no reason", an easy thing to do since Fuzz gave an open invitation for undecided votes to be placed on him. He then engages in talk of ties until the Fuzz CFD picks up and flips out over it, talking about how he doesn't like the looks of it in several more posts after it. In the end he votes for Ika, whose wagon he had said earlier was highly suspicious. Its important to note that at this time he had already requested to be replaced and had talked as if he didn't have the time to be engaged with the game, yet when the Fuzz CFD started up he was in the thick of things trying to stop it.

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:EVERYONE!!

Can we please start specifying the difference between NK and arrested? If they are different game states (which I think is the case), shit is going to get really confusing down the road if we keep using them interchangeably. Let's not make the game more difficult than needed :P

Well apparently arrests are lynches and they are also the cop version of NK's. Family kills are "hits" but we haven't seen one yet. This answers the question of why the win conditions were properly phrased, but it doesn't answer why we're spending our days trying to get people arrested. Arrests sound like the cop's domain and as I said earlier:



We should be out in the streets gettin shit done instead of helping the cops arrest people. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Sup with all them Gleam votes?

Turnip Head wrote:I don't like that Epignosis has 3 votes. I don't like it one bit

Sloonei is supatowning, which means he's either one of our most valuable assets or an undercover cop Only time will tell I suppose. He defended his Nerolunar read really well, but I don't like that he's criticizing Epignosis for not agreeing with his read, as if Nero's civvieness is obvious.

I don't really know who I want to vote for. I'm not a fan of any of the major wagons but don't have strong baddie reads on anyone.

Turnip Head wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:Turnip the reason you should vote for me is so you stop twiddling your thumbs about who to vote for.

Okay Fuzz... I'm doing it....

Turnip head spent the majority of day 2 dissuading people from all of the main lynch choices without providing any real better options. Joined the Fuzz lynch late, which looked to be a case of being cornered into it by his previous comments regarding not wanting to lynch Ika based on his playstyle making that not a really viable option(especially as Fuzz's flip-flop on Ika is the reason his wagon gained steam in the first place) and Fuzz having presented that easy way out at a time when a Fuzz lynch was unlikely.

Somethings been rather bothering me about the Ika slip and I think I figured out what it was. It really doesn't read like a slip. When I've encountered slips, they're based in role speculation that goes beyond a townies ability to guess specific workings of a role/ability or they manifest based on frustration/anger/demoralization from mafia actions failing or them getting cornered in-thread. In a recent game on NF, we caught someone on a knowledge slip based on his talk of a mafia multi-kill gone wrong(only killed one player when it had the potential to kill three), with his frustration coming out in the form of suggesting specific mechanics of the ability that had no firm basis just from the way it happened in the write-up.

I've never seen someone slip by straight up saying that the target of a failed mafia kill(arrest) was a specific player, not without them being able to claim tracker/watcher.(rarely even then). If it wasn't a slip though it was intentional, probably in the hopes that someone else could off Sloonei. If Ika flips scum, it would basically confirm Sloonei town. There is a mountain of evidence on Ika, we just need to finally push this lynch through.

Ika

Silverwolf wrote:

Soneji wrote:A lot of posts devoted to talking about a mechanic that only matters to endgame numbers for the mafia(with a chance to cancel out naturally), that only could slightly assist the cops in finding the Dons, who to our knowledge have no means of harming them. The question now is to look towards Wilgy who started it or DDL who went full on with it, claimed it made Wilgy likely town and took way too long to acknowledge it as a distraction to actual scumhunting.

Dragon D Luffy

I decided to re-ISO Soneji cuz I couldn't figure out why I thought he was scummy and this is the only thing I could find. All game Soneji has been voting ika or Draconus. Suddenly, jumps on Dragon here with a reasoning that applies to a lot of people-I mean, a lot of people were discussing the traitor mechanic early game. Why jump on Dragon for it? Is it because so many other were and it's easy to sheep and get a mislynch off?

I'm not sure what kind of twist you're going for. There is no suddenly for this to apply to, it was my first post in the game, somewhat early on day 1. I explained in the very post you are quoting why I chose DDL over others, it was him and Wilgy that really spearheaded that line of discussion. His call on Wilgy likely being town was potential buddying. At the time, there really wasn't much else to go off of since the traitor talk had dominated so much early discussion.

I never sheep Silverwolf. My vote may be on the same player as others, my reasons my even by fairly similar to theirs but they are always my own. My username on the other site I play mafia is WolfPrinceKiba, lone wolf of NF. I despise sheeple.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:S~V~S

PRISONER 509378

QUIN

SCOTTY

Town

Town

Town

Town

Prisoner 509378 wrote:SERGE

NEROLUNAR

INDIGLO

Cop

Cop

Town

Prisoner 509378 wrote:SILVERWOLF

IKA

SIG

Town

Cop

Town

Prisoner 509378 wrote:DRACONUS

SLOONEI

EPIGNOSIS

Cop

Town

Town

Prisoner 509378 wrote:THELLAMA73

CHAINDEATH

SONEJI

Town

Cop

Town

Prisoner 509378 wrote:BLACK ROCK

TURNIP HEAD

BOOMSLANG

Town

Town

Cop

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Mongoose wrote:OKay, so here's the deal. I don't feel comfortable randomly voting. Thank you for your comments, and I agree that an ika vote today is not the way to go -- I appreciate your candor. I'll be around a lot next weekend, and you'll get to see how talky I can be -- anyone remember the first year of TS when Sock and I would fill pages?

ANYWAY sorry I'm constant digressions.

Since I don't feel comfortable making a case on anyone or buying into the current ones (so I'm going to offer TurnipHead this since Vompatti or Llama or etc isn't around) -- TH - would you fancy a vote trade? I'm going to vote you for admittedly no discernible reason -- please feel free to return the favor!

Sorry crew, I've got to jet and I just Do NOT like to miss votes.

* votes TurnipHead *

So she has her Ika lynch fall through, doesn't want to vote randomly yet does the very definition of it for no apparent reason(not voting isn't against the rules). The only reason I could think of for anyone doing this is to not be seen as having not voted if someone goes vote tracking.

ika wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

ika wrote:

Golden wrote:

ika wrote:Ok im home i will be reading shorty.

Can someone tell me if we are allowed to talk game or not? im not used to being able to talk at night

The general rule here is that you can talk game at night. Unless the rules specify otherwise.

Sweet!

Im gonna try to do some isoing does anyone have anyone spcific thatthey want em to see

ISO me Ika.

mkay one min

This is posted and the next time Ika is on later that night he claims hes too drunk to do any reads. The next morning/afternoon, he says hes doing ISO's yet won't share them(yet in the post above it alludes to him actually posting what he finds suspicious). From my skim day 2 I had agreed with the Ika lynch but wasn't invested without reading full on with context. The ending of that day gave Ika some leeway but in my experience, knowledge slips do happen and what looks to be blatantly one by Ika about Sloonei should be acted on.

Ika

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I love how some people who are basically claiming Team Sockface.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:The people who are happy with the lynch.

Associates those happy with the Diiny lynch as Team Sockface, rather then potential mafia

I just got out of an NF game and one thing I have found that has a really high scumrate is jumping on those who vote No Lynch. While gleam didn't have that as an option here, its basically what he was advocating. I don't think he was doing a good job with his civilian lives matter activism but I found his posts genuine if misguided. DDL above all others jumped on that behavior.

Golden wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Golden wrote:

Soneji wrote:I went with Golden yesterday because up until the point I had read he was the most suspicious, with DDL in second and Ika on a backburner after the Fuzz lynch. Mongoose is the most scummy from my current reading, with DDL looking less scummy than he did prior.

You've called me scummy in three posts, but you've never really explained why. Has your view on me changed, if so why?

It was based on me finding fault with your meta read on Diiny. Viewing your voting records and looking into your part on the Fuzz lynch has placed you on the backburner with Ika.

What fault did you find in my meta read on diiny? Did you note that by the end of that day (and it was day one) I was defending him and voted for Wilgy instead of him even though Diiny would have been the better vote to save myself? Have you been on a baddie team with Diiny in which you crafted a win together as I have?

The fault I found is using meta reasons to suspect someone that comes off as a super townie based off of them having acted as a super townie before as scum is fairly weak reasoning on a D1. Those kind of suspicions are best held close to the vest until you can spot them making a mistake. It came off as opportunistic to off a strong townie based on tinfoil. I have seen scum in multiple NF games use meta in the same way you did to justify their votes against strong players, that its either lynch them now or they'll never be caught.

My read there was based solely on where I had read up to. I didn't know how to access poll records at the time. Once I did know, it was seeing your vote for Wilgy+your Fuzz vote then looking into both a bit that put you off my current suspect list.

Golden wrote:

Soneji wrote:I went with Golden yesterday because up until the point I had read he was the most suspicious, with DDL in second and Ika on a backburner after the Fuzz lynch. Mongoose is the most scummy from my current reading, with DDL looking less scummy than he did prior.

You've called me scummy in three posts, but you've never really explained why. Has your view on me changed, if so why?

It was based on me finding fault with your meta read on Diiny. Viewing your voting records and looking into your part on the Fuzz lynch has placed you on the backburner with Ika.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Soneji, who else do you think is bad besides Draconus? Based only on what you've read?

Sloonei, Enrique, maybe chaindeath. Golden and Ika are lowkey suspects due to how the Fuzz lynch went down.

I would say in current terms of whose on the chopping block, I don't feel that Sig and Gleam are scummy from where I read. Sig seemed genuine with his desire to escape getting Cubey'd and Gleam just appears to really want a no lynch option added.

Turnip Head wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Somehow I managed to skip a large post by Soneji.

He makes a good point on Mongoose, though in the last quote, I have to say the fact she is asking about how mafia is played here is because she is back after a long hiatus, during which a lot of people from different communities came here and change the usual playstyle.

See I didn't feel great about that Soneji post. And looking at his 7 post ISO he seems to pick a different target every day. Odd.

What is odd about it? On day one I voted DDL as up to where I was his distracting talk of traitors looked to be the best lead. Day 2 I read the current discussion while skimming back as best I could in the time I had and I agreed with the case on Ika most. While I could have continued with that, its really a shell of how I best operate, reading thoroughly from beginning to end and pointing out posts of note. Without prior behavior to compare to, making proper reads on people, especially ones I don't know like I do on NF, can be rather difficult. I have always been a lone wolf operator, making my own cases and pushing my own leads above all else.

I went with Golden yesterday because up until the point I had read he was the most suspicious, with DDL in second and Ika on a backburner after the Fuzz lynch. Mongoose is the most scummy from my current reading, with DDL looking less scummy than he did prior.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Somehow I managed to skip a large post by Soneji.

He makes a good point on Mongoose, though in the last quote, I have to say the fact she is asking about how mafia is played here is because she is back after a long hiatus, during which a lot of people from different communities came here and change the usual playstyle.

I understood the context of how she was trying to come across(as naive of possible new habits), its just that the context in which the question was asked(as a prerequisite to a stated desire to vote lynch Ika) is rather scummy. If the question about voting people to get their attention came prior to a vote on Ika/stated desire to vote Ika, I likely wouldn't find the behavior suspicious. Lack of confidence in your own reads is also more indicative of scum, who don't want to be seen as going after the wrong people or having weak reasoning. If Ika's behavior was in any way normal in the community as it is now, people wouldn't have been suspecting him for it as much as they did D1, which should have clued Mongoose in. Even so, she felt the need to be sure that her reasoning was sound in the eyes of others.

Through page 27...I move so much slower here without multiquote and more direct search functions

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also I like how the votes are utterly and completely scattered.

Let's scatter them a little more.

Tranq

Not to say this is exactly an implication of DDL, I just found it amusingly noteworthy.

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath walks into the forum after listing from afar, half torn between his loved ones and his need to participate. He is not entirely sure who is a good candidate to vote for, however he is sure that the voting for everyone strategy is not a good way to go. Based on his gut feeling, he respectfully votes for Long Con as the one who feels off. No hate, no animosity, just business babe

He was home with his family this weekend which is why he haven't posted, just trying to keep up on the posts quite hard when his family is being loving and fun and junk . He should be more active as time progresses provided that his schooling doesn't overwhelm and completely pull him under in a tide of work.

Sloonei wrote:Hey chaindeath, thanks for joining us. And also thanks in advance for sharing those reasons for why you voted Long Con.

chaindeath wrote:He is so good at typing.... He didn't do it properly and he offers his sincerest apologies. Long Con

This was a peculiar interaction to me. Going with a straight gut vote after saying hes not sure whose a good candidate to vote for, Sloonei thanking chaindeath in advance for sharing the reasons for his LC vote, then CD making a strangle worded post because he didn't bold+underline LC's name. I understand that its considered proper to announce who you are voting for but the poll is whats official and his previous post made it clear LC was his vote even if he didn't format it the standard way.

Mongoose wrote:I'm a little confused that I'm being seen already as an inactive player because I feel like I've posted several times, and not just fluff. This isn't being defensive by the way, I'm just trying to talk out loud in case it helps a bit. I just don't have the time anymore to check in multiple times a day, especially when I absolutely cannot check in on the site during work hours (vaguely between 8am and 8pm -- I'm an attorney and I've got a pretty big caseload, which honestly is the only reason I don't play anymore).

THat said, I certainly don't take offense or it to heart that someone votes me on day 1 for not making dozens of posts. Just letting y'all know that I'm doing the best I can, and warning you it's not likely going to get much better (in terms of quantity -- I'll always aim for quality).

I read through the arguments to and for finding the traitors, which I found pretty intriguing at first. But then I was glad that discussion more or less ceased. Basically the way I feel about Jurassic World. I'm going to continue to catch up in the limited time I can (I've got company coming tonight and staying most of the week), so there's a bit of a time pressure situation.


linki x 15 (seriously)

I tried to find these non-fluff posts of Mongoose and they amount to a post commenting on the traitor issue(without any significant changes from what she posted about it above):

Mongoose wrote:

Scotty wrote:I will bet my [hopefully] unborn child that the 30 person coordinated vote will not work out. There will be too many no-shows. There always is in these games.

I hate ploys like that because there's always one alpaca that won't fall in line. Great in theory though. I feel like it's worked before though. A la Minimalism Mafia. Who could forget that great hit from 2014?

I'll think about this traitor activation issue. Any more opinions on downsides?

It's good to be back around all y'all.

along with thinking it transcendent that there was talk of lynching inactives and that she enjoys the tactic(she makes sure to include a preemptive defense on the possibility of more concrete lynch cases):

Mongoose wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Oh wow, imagine seeing you in these parts!


In other news, I think it's transcendent that we are having the Voting a Non-Participant discussion again, and on my first day back!. Historically, I am very fond of this tactic (that is, in the absence of anything meatier -we've certainly had meat in the room on day 1, so to speak).

Mongoose wrote:Before I vote ika for the odd post on Silverwolf, is that something we do around here now? Vote for people to get their attention?

Sloonei - no worries, I saw -- I always try to respond directly to anyone who's made a comment or query my way. Thanks to the ole handy Ctrl+F

This post stands out to me since it seems like Mongoose is trying to confirm whether or not behavior she is stating is odd is scummy in the eyes of others.


Draconus

sig wrote:Like for real Golden voters it is a waste of a vote.

Its not a waste when I have no educated reason to vote you, LC or Nero. LC at least from my skim seemed to be a logically minded player who can contribute quite well. Voting to off him just due to your plea for survival isn't an appealing prospect.

I think Golden looks the scummiest from my limited reading so far Sig. I haven't looked at the current landscape to know who all is on the chopping block and whether or not I think they deserve to be there. Due to there being a thing called bussing, Golden voting you currently isn't reason enough for me to believe you innocent, over others who have more to work off of.

Thanks DDL. Just been accessing this thread through the day 1 start PM, so no wonder I missed it.

Through page 17. Have had less time/motivation then I thought.

Enrique wrote:DrWilgy

Enrique wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Can we oink get a 29 player bandwagon on Enrique oink if he doesn't come explain his vote?

I'm a wildcard.

Enrique wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Enrique wrote:d i s t r a c t i o n

An unexplained vote and fluff/random behavior but hes paying enough attention to note the distraction of the traitor discussion. Certainly sets off alarm bells.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Actually that raises a question: how the hell are the cops supposed to get rid of the dons?

Because having most of their famiglias ovote for them is possible but not realiable.

Are we to assume the cops win if only the Dons are left?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I care. If we are discussing how to protect the dons, I wanna know what exactly threats them.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:So I'm suppose to assume if both hitmen go down, cops lose the game automatically?

EASIEST GAME EVUR

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:What i mean is: the hosts are hiding something from us. I want to speculate on what. "Who cares" is not an answer, we should care about it.

On top of earlier pointed out posting about traitors on the first day phase, here is another fairly pointless diversion. If the cops do have a means of taking down Dons, its hidden from us and nothing in any of our shown roles can be used to stop this unknown threat. Treating this like a NF role madness game with counterbalances isn't going to accomplish anything worthwhile. Its all down to us finding who the cops are and the Dons doing their best to stay hidden.

Sloonei wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:With that, a few points.

- Enrique has posted nothing but smilies and refuses to answer anything. I don't think this is enough for a lynch, but I wish he started being more helpfun soon.

- Ika made a vote for Silverwolf just for the sake of "getting her to talk". Which is pro-active, but not really necessary, and reeks to me of an attempt to look like he is doing anything. Of course it's mostly paranoia, but I might as well point it out.

- Sloonei doesn't have the time to participate but he apparently has time to read the thread, think I'm suspicious and demand answers from me. I find that curious.

- Matt was way more active last game I played with him. he couldn't shut up. Now he only made one post, about how he intends to read Zebra. I know this is too soon for make such demands, but I miss active Matt.

Don't know if any of those are useful but we might as well discuss them. 28 hours to go, let's move guys.

My behavior is curious in that I am curious about the game, sure. I'm not sure what else you could mean by that.

Diiny wrote:You know exactly what he means but you disagree, why pretend otherwise?

Sloonei wrote:

Diiny wrote:You know exactly what he means but you disagree, why pretend otherwise?

Perhaps I was feigning aloofness.

Dodging questions with vague answers.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I thought he was implying that, here we go, we already have people saying they are not caught up to the thread and it is only halfway through day one.

Nah. I was just amazed that I vote the guy and he shows up and posts.

There was around a half hour between your post and his. Enough to say that it could be him just getting into the thread and seeing current topic of discussion and your post rather then watching over the thread to see if hes mentioned.

Epignosis wrote:Enrique, look at that pretty little tie.

I hate announcing my votes by the way. I'd rather just vote and let people figure out on their own I voted for them. Much more effective.

More effective at what exactly? At delaying any challenge to your vote?

Sloonei wrote:I will not be apologizing or moving my vote off her until/unless she responds. Or else it would have been an entirely pointless exercise. But I certainly don't intend on that being my final vote.

Announcing that it wouldn't be your final vote makes voting to pressure her into responding pointless.

Enrique wrote:

Diiny wrote:Is Enrique normally like this?

Why shouldn't we lynch you for not explaining your terrible vote?

Because I'm a civ.

Diiny, why did you hop on my joke vote?

First on the Diiny lynch is not surprising Enrique with the "joke vote" angle. Joke votes can work as bait but not when you're not cooperative for a significant amount of time afterward and ignore others(like Epi) who voted against you on the same basis.

Golden wrote:Voting Diiny for now

He reminds me of the game where we were bad together, getting stuck in and creating a supatown image very early. If we are talking about there being meat to the bones, I think Diiny has been happy chasing bones with no meat at all.

Diiny - which bones that you've been chasing do you actually think have meat? You seem to be asking a lot of questions of people to provide reads, but the only read I really get a sense of from you is ika (I don't even know if you genuinely suspect wilgy). What are your current views on who seems good and bad?

Second on the Diiny lynch, we have someone using meta for their argument on a player that up until this point was making solid points. That some of those points were against what Golden views as low hanging fruit isn't that relevant, not on a day 1.


Golden


How are voting records accessed on this site?

Totally forgot that this forum does night posting, only really had time to skim the thread. ika looks like a fine enough lynch target from my quick read through, with him buddying people, fluffing and refusing to give reasons for his suspicions. There are times when you hold back thoughts on a player but not when you're accusing them.

ika

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@Soneji, question for you. Do you think my early banter about game mechanics is any different from the other 10 games or so where we played together?

I never payed enough attention to you in games to remember your habits. I would say that on NF if you had ever talked about game mechanics that had such minimal possible pro-town results for as long as you did here I would have found you suspicious for it. I personally love ability speculation and warning town of certain ability exploits. The problem is that the discussion on the Traitors absolutely dominated early conversation despite its low chance of making a meaningful difference.

A lot of posts devoted to talking about a mechanic that only matters to endgame numbers for the mafia(with a chance to cancel out naturally), that only could slightly assist the cops in finding the Dons, who to our knowledge have no means of harming them. The question now is to look towards Wilgy who started it or DDL who went full on with it, claimed it made Wilgy likely town and took way too long to acknowledge it as a distraction to actual scumhunting.

Dragon D Luffy