The Syndicate

I enjoy the nostalgia of going through some of the really old QT's I have on my list sometimes. Shows how different I was, others in the community were, change in overall meta, etc.

So was scum chat on Skype or is there a link I can get to it?

I passed out last night for 13 hours, that is why I never showed up again. Congrats to the winners. MP cared way too much about winning a simple practice game

At least I got sig right.

If the vig was blocked they couldn't also be killed, jailkeeper acts as a doctor protect+RB

There is absolutely no way we do a hammer when we have a full weekend long day phase.

There was a second kill night 1 though. You just are making the assertion that it wasn't a town vig kill. If we do have a town vig they could have been blocked last night or abstained from killing.

I am pretty sure town tracker is possible, if we are in set-up C which has both town vig and tracker in it.

You do realize we are not in a set-up that has a cop, right Wilgy? You are either mafia or purposely trying to sabotage town with this kind of idiocy.

Sig what CFD in Turf Wars are you talking about? The one on day 2 lynched a mafia member, not a civ.

@Wilgy: The only thing that I know that you know is your inability to write my actual username when addressing me. I guess you avoid the whole Slooneji thing that way but you also make it confusing as hell for everyone else.

@Scotty: Sig

I am not sure why you would expect me to answer those questions when I found them mostly scummy. Nor would my answers help you, as I distrust everyone and don't see anyone as predominantly civ looking. Marco was the only one who might have applied.

What question of yours have I not answered? You asked me why I voted Golden, which I answered. Your other questions were about how I think you should have entered the thread, which I also addressed. You have yet to actually ask me the context in which I made my votes, despite jumping quickly to the conclusion that I bussed IAWY based on where my vote is shown on the polls.

This whole concept of NO U as I have seen it used this game translates to "if you criticize the flaws in my case against you or anything else while I suspect you, you're scum.". It inherently is a means by which to try and silence the accused.

@Scotty: If you had done that it at least would have been a lot more honest. That you happened to post a suspicion on me in a later post is irrelevant to how I respond to your initial post. That you just came into the thread does not give you immunity being pressured, initial impressions are very important.

I find it quite interesting that you don't intend to read the thread but you have read enough to note my placement on MM's rainbow list as well as MP's bussing tactics, which you mention to lend credit to this conclusion you jumped to that I bussed IAWY. A conclusion you base solely on the voting polls, without bothering to check any sort of context.

VOTE SCOTTY

I am voting for Golden in main part due to his part in the Frog lynch and the way he interacted with Marco yesterday, treating him as if he knew he was town and not a possible scumbuddy for the potentially scum Sloonei/Matt he was defending. I intend to ISO him later today when I am done with work.

Scotty's entrance pinged me rather hard. It shouldn't matter to a townie replacement how their predecessor looked, they have no way of arguing from that persons perspective anyways to defend their posts. Best they can do is aim to engage with the game as best they can. A replacement will be judged in part by their predeccor but thats just something they have to live with. That he wants to know whose the most trusted townie comes off as wanting to know who to sheep.

I am going to:

VOTE GOLDEN

For now.

VOTE MATT

This is hammer -1, next vote will end the phase.

I would feel that it is quite likely that they might be scum. Both have pinged me to some extent already. Golden earlier seemed to be speaking to you in a way that seems as if he knows you're town, not putting enough into thinking that you might be mafia for your defense of Sloonei. I can only remember one post where it was slightly implied.

I will wait for MM to finish what hes doing, then I will bring down the hammer.

There isn't too much difference in terms of bussing on NF, those who were alive near the end of Turf Wars can attest to my own ability to bus.

I didn't have much ability in terms of time and format(phone posting) to get more context on the Sloonei situation earlier, still don't, just gave a base impression of the scenario. Its good of MM to have compiled the voting record fron that time as it has been bugging me and keeping me from fully forming some reads but I have been too busy to do it myself. A large part of why I kept my vote on Frog was that I saw the chance to get strong info out of who jumped on and off that vote. From the context given by others in these last few pages, I am more inclined to think it was a bus, especially as IAWY was just a goon. People were aiming for a tie and Frog could have won out even with Sloonei switching, so the risk-reward factor would be favorable to a scum Sloonei. Either Frog gets lynched and he gets cred while his teammate takes up attention another day or his teammate gets lynched, he gets cred, suspicion on Frog clogs up the next day.

It is something important to note though in general. If mafia knew that votes wouldn't be counted if not in-thread, they could have abused that to throw off civilians ability to know the correct vote count, as well as make it look like they voted someone when they actually didn't.

I am not here in a way that I can interact much. I would say that its a fair point that as IAWY flipped scum, it wouldn't make sense for a mafia Sloonei to switch from Frog to his teammate. There was a lot of vote switching near the end though, some of which were not counted as they weren't made in-thread as well.

Dyslexicon wrote:Maybe we should just wagon Soneji? I'd be up for that.

You should try to see if sig will join you

VOTE INAWORDYES

For reasons already explained.

Marco wrote:

Soneji wrote:The thing with this is that I'm having trouble seeing a reason why sig would be so eager to have a counterwagon form on me and be defensive of IAWY, seemingly only because he read his opening post as townish. I could understand it if it was a TS regular hes familiar with that he doesn't want to see gone so early but someone hes unfamiliar with that isn't really contributing? From my perspective, he saw someone who people were discussing getting replaced come in late with a long post he probably doesn't think people will read too closely or have time to analyze properly, with a vote contrary to the only two wagons at the time that he could spin as "avoiding the major wagons".

I don't think he was very eager to lynch you. He backed off pretty quickly when I told him your activity wasn't scummy according to your meta. More importantly, for Sig to want to CFD on you as scum, it would make sense only if one of the leading wagons was his teammate. The only options for that were IAWY and MetalMarsh. Sig had his vote on MM till the end, so doubtful that he was trying to save MM. And if he was trying to save IAWY, he should've shifted his vote to Frog instead of letting it become RNG between Frog and IAWY.

I was actually suspicious of Sig until EOD yesterday.

That he went quickly from "I didn't like his entrance" to "lets start a CFD on him" says to me that he was eager, at least from my perspective. When you posted what you said, he had already had no success in getting anyone to follow him and he me breathing down his neck. You offered him an easy escape route for backing off his suspicion. I don't think he could have justified a Frog switch at that stage, especially with his push on me in part for my Frog vote.

Marco wrote: Maybe you should've listened to me and put your vote in the IAWY or MM wagon yesterday instead of Frog.

Was tempted to but there were too many big names moving on and off the Frog lynch for me to not see that one through. Golden and Sloonei have quite a good deal to answer for in regards to their actions during yesterdays EoD.

Marco wrote:I also feel like most of the people on the Frog wagon (or those retroactively calling him scummy this phase) misrepresented him, intentionally or otherwise. This is in terms of his "inactive hunting" push. Or maybe I'm just sore you guys CFD'd one of the most active and experienced players (and one of my biggest town reads) to save two fairly inactive players (both in my scum reads).

He did inactive hunt though, to the point of actively discouraging discussion on basically anyone but them.

Inawordyes wrote:
I went over this a bit too, I got a gut reaction to it that there was something off and I didn't like it. That's nothing to write home about, so I'm not pushing for Sloonei ATM because I know that a gut read is not enough to say he's Mafia. But I am keeping an eye on him because I haven't shaken the feeling.

Don't go full Ika on me please, there is nothing to work with there.

The legend grows...:



I need a Princess Mononoke mafia game in my life.

Dyslexicon wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Would you be able to rank your scum reads somehow?

What did you think of my Soneji ISO earlier?

I could, eventually. But I still feel I want to hear more from most of them (since they are all/most pretty quiet). It still feels unsolved to me in a way, if that makes sense. But IAWY is my prefered lynch, and my strongest suspicion.

I was so tired when I read the Soneji-ISO I don't really remember. Sorry. I do appreciate you putting in the work, and I will surely get back to it. Apart from that I've looked into his ISO on my own today to check up on things. I'm not convinced by him, he's a null I'm suspicious of. He could very well be teamed with IAWY if he is indeed scum. I don't feel his push on Sig is very good. Firstly because I feel Sig is a player that would be easy to push on (easy target, for various reasons), and two because the argument doesn't seem all that strong to me and gets a bit repetative. I don't think it makes that much sense for scum!Sig to push on Soneji of all people if Sig is scum. That being said, I don't think it's impossible for Soneji to be town doing all this either. So it's inconclusive atm.

The thing with this is that I'm having trouble seeing a reason why sig would be so eager to have a counterwagon form on me and be defensive of IAWY, seemingly only because he read his opening post as townish. I could understand it if it was a TS regular hes familiar with that he doesn't want to see gone so early but someone hes unfamiliar with that isn't really contributing? From my perspective, he saw someone who people were discussing getting replaced come in late with a long post he probably doesn't think people will read too closely or have time to analyze properly, with a vote contrary to the only two wagons at the time that he could spin as "avoiding the major wagons".

I do think IAWY's flip will be the most telling and I support it as the finalized lynch. Getting more out of sig beforehand can't hurt though.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Soneji wrote:I've been reading IAWY as scum and sig as his potential teammate for his defense of him. MM I felt fine with at first when doing a quick ISO before the lynch last phase but hes said a few things that have pinged me, which I pointed out earlier:

Do you feel it makes sense for sig to try and get a EOD wagon on you as scum? It may makes sense if it was to save someone like IAWY, I agree, but still seems like a stretch to me. What is the reason you are voting sig over IAWY right now?

It's also not clear to me why you were voting Frog as the first person last day when you say IAWY had already pingen you? Can you elaborate what your thought process was? (I realize there will be hindsight to this, since Frog has already flipped).

If he thought I wouldn't be back around or notice his push because I was catching up, then I don't doubt he would. It makes sense enough either way though, considering I hadn't been around prior he may have thought it easy to spin me as scum. I am voting sig to pressure him and see how things go with that. If people aren't willing to go there by near EoD tomorrow, I plan to change my vote to IAWY unless a really strong case comes up elsewhere.

IAWY had pinged me, along with some others. Frog's sudden shift from actually hunting people for what they had posted(Marco and Sloonei mainly) to pushing us to lynch inactives was really jarring, as was his insistence on his mindset being the only correct mindset. The whole self-lynch bait thing he was pushing in regards to Sloonei also seemed to be really stretching things in the most ludicrous way. While things on The Syndicate are rather different, I can't say until the results of yesterdays lynch that I truly knew what culture shock was.

I would say that in the end once the Frog lynch picked up steam I was tempted to switch IAWY, for Frog had actually shown at least that he would be active. That Epi and Golden had jumped onto it and Sloonei off of it though made me really intrigued as towards Frog's flip, as it would give the most info. Its part of why I lean towards town vig killing Epi over mafia 1-shot vig, its reducing the number of players to be implicated by the flip.

Dyslexicon wrote:Soneji, I'm totally not feeling your sig vote. What is your read on IAWY and MM? Which one of them if any do you think Sig could be teamed with?

I've been reading IAWY as scum and sig as his potential teammate for his defense of him. MM I felt fine with at first when doing a quick ISO before the lynch last phase but hes said a few things that have pinged me, which I pointed out earlier:

Soneji wrote:

Spoiler: show

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Frog wrote:I'll post my scum games:
http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... Mafia-15er

... my home site's admins have literally been either permabanned and/or deleted my scum games as troll. Gae as fuck. I quit the site (requested ban) as soon as I was recognized the MVP of the site 3 years running for 20+ games.

I've never been scum.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I don't think I've ever seen a scummy marmot. Maybe once, on RYM a while ago.

I was mafia once on RYM.

But in that game (hosted by zebra), everyone was mafia, so that one doesn't count. :P

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Marco wrote:@MetalMarsh89, you may have missed this.

Marco wrote:@MetalMarsh, how highly would you rate your own scum-game? And can you describe one or two of your best scum performances, preferably with links to them?

My scum game is decent I think, or at least was because I've been drawing a lot of civilian/Indy roles lately. I went through a stretch here where I won several games as scum though, and I'll link you a few.


Death Note - We mafia tore the civilians apart in this game, for the most part. But there was a caveat: I was an unlynchable and unnightkillable scum who did not need to be dead for the civilians to win.

Pikmin - This would be my most recent game as scum. I had a strong start to the game, but due to the game falling around Christmas time, my participation dropped, and I was eventually lynched. Overall, I played a relatively good game, and my lynch was not detrimental to our cause, and we won anyway.

Recruitment IV - This was a recruitment game, so it had its own special style to make if different than a normal mafia game. But similar to Death Note, I had an unkillable, unlynchable role again. :P I have a tendency to draw those.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well by golly, you all better at least lynch Sloonei before you lynch me.

Any particular reason the order matters to you, since you appear to not care that your lynch will follow in this scenario? Considering you think him mafia, would you not say your push on him would then warrant some towncred if he flips the way you think he will?

sig wrote:

Soneji wrote:

sig wrote: Soneji I didn't switch my vote since nobody else seemed to agree, and I said while it was happening I wanted to lynch MM.Why should I have wasted my vote? This seems like No U.

How were you to know it would be wasted? Maybe if you had shown more confidence in your read and got the ball rolling with a vote on me, people would have followed. Frog had only one vote when I placed my vote, same as the situation would have been with you. You didn't choose to do that, despite how very eager you were to get people to pay attention to your read on me and start a counterwagon. This lack of spine, jumping on me so quickly with vague reasoning and hypocrisy(not liking CFD's but wanting to get one started on me) is why I'm voting you. If you had had the courage of your conviction, I'd be less inclined to think you're mafia.

Maybe they would've maybe they wouldn't have. I was more confident on MM and I didn't want to unbalance the wagons when every vote counted. I think your just No Uing me and are mad I tried to lynch you, and I didn't even try that hard.

I don't really get mad at a sole person trying to lynch me off of weak reasoning. Especially when they're too much of a coward to actually even vote me. Its something I have no respect for and in the end it amuses me that a likely mafia member thought they'd get lucky trying to mislynch me with such a pathetic attempt. You certainly were eager, there is no way to deny that.

sig wrote:I really dislike Soneji's two posts. He came in seemed to make some so he wouldn't be lurking and voted Frog. I think he voted on weak reasoning and jjust wanted to throw out a vote which really wouldn't create any waves and avoided all the major wagons.

sig wrote:So how about a counterwagon onto Soneji? Now that he has made a less then inspiring entrance.

sig wrote:Hey everyone please look over Soneji's posts and tell me what you think. I don't like them at all, and I don't like his vote. Or the fact he hasn't posted again.

Three posts on it in less than two minutes, the first two being within the same minute. You gave up when no one would do your dirty work for you and I went in hard on your shoddy push on me.

Dyslexicon wrote:Question: Is there any way to know how the votes looked at the end of day 1? Like, is it a chart saved somewhere or something? This poll takes some getting used to. o.o

There is a thread for polls but due to some people not following the format correctly(both voting in the poll and announcing their vote in-thread), that poll is not entirely accurate to use.

@JaggedJimmyJay : Can we get the actual vote count used to determine yesterdays lynch?

Inawordyes wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Inawordyes wrote: I didn't like how Soneji entered the thread guns-blazing with an aggressive attitude, I also didn't like how he didn't address my RVS vote at all but used it offhand as a reason to scum read me. I would lean him baddie for that.

By "didn't like" are you meaning that you think its scummy? If so, in what way is it scummy? I didn't address your RVS vote exactly because that is all it was, a random vote based on nothing so nothing to address in it. When did I use your RVS as an offhand reason to scum read you though? My reasoning was based on you wording your posts in such a manner as to seem as inoffensive as possible, saying "its okay if you think I'm scum for this because you're probably going to misunderstand me" or "this theory that I have is probably wrong so don't mind me". The only time I brought up your RVS vote was in relation to speaking about Silver's reasoning for voting you, in which I offered no opinion either way on if it was valid.

It set off tonal alarm bells, I tend to play with gut reads because they're accurate, and I got pinged by your OP but I'm not entirely sure what it was you said that set me off. I could be wrong, of course, but I usually tend to be very accurate when it comes to tonal stuff and it's when I don't listen to my gut that I end up kicking myself because the people I suspected ended up being Mafia like I highly to begin with

I did ask you questions in that post, you could've addressed those. I play like that regardless, I don't shy away from what I'm saying, but I do avoid like to avoid conflict, and that's not alignment-indicative.

Your questions where how was I doing and who I thought were scum. My opening post answered both by itself and my other posts have only further answered them. The people I think are probable scum are yourself, sig, Sloonei, Psi, maybe MM. As for how I'm doing, rather well. I always feel great when on the hunt.

sig wrote: Soneji I didn't switch my vote since nobody else seemed to agree, and I said while it was happening I wanted to lynch MM.Why should I have wasted my vote? This seems like No U.

How were you to know it would be wasted? Maybe if you had shown more confidence in your read and got the ball rolling with a vote on me, people would have followed. Frog had only one vote when I placed my vote, same as the situation would have been with you. You didn't choose to do that, despite how very eager you were to get people to pay attention to your read on me and start a counterwagon. This lack of spine, jumping on me so quickly with vague reasoning and hypocrisy(not liking CFD's but wanting to get one started on me) is why I'm voting you. If you had had the courage of your conviction, I'd be less inclined to think you're mafia.

Inawordyes wrote: I didn't like how Soneji entered the thread guns-blazing with an aggressive attitude, I also didn't like how he didn't address my RVS vote at all but used it offhand as a reason to scum read me. I would lean him baddie for that.

By "didn't like" are you meaning that you think its scummy? If so, in what way is it scummy? I didn't address your RVS vote exactly because that is all it was, a random vote based on nothing so nothing to address in it. When did I use your RVS as an offhand reason to scum read you though? My reasoning was based on you wording your posts in such a manner as to seem as inoffensive as possible, saying "its okay if you think I'm scum for this because you're probably going to misunderstand me" or "this theory that I have is probably wrong so don't mind me". The only time I brought up your RVS vote was in relation to speaking about Silver's reasoning for voting you, in which I offered no opinion either way on if it was valid.

VOTE SIG

The guy was desperate to try and get people to scumread me to start a CFD while giving vague reasoning on why I was actually scummy. Was unwilling to take the first step in voting for me, despite IAWY still having his vote on me from earlier. There was more than enough time in the thread for the lynch to be changed if he showed any spine in following his lead he was so eager about, as seen by how Frog came to match the other wagons(yet part of his reasoning on me is that I "avoided" the IAWY and MM wagons). Yet come today he has not mentioned me a single time, has only really talked about game mechanics in regards to which set-up we're playing with a bit too much confidence in regards to his comments about the mafia teams experience with this set-up.

sig wrote:Ugh that Silver vs Golden vs MP vs Frog got annoying to read after awhile. :P

I'm leaning towards a Psittacitform or Zebra lynch today. I'll go over both of them tomorrow.
Zebra is playing different? Her filler posts to prove a point seemed really unlike her.
Psitt did something that pinged me which I can't recall atm.

Do you remember what pinged you about Psi?

sig wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Sig ISO and thoughts:

First @Sig:

-Why is my argument with Golden TvT to you, can you elaborate on this please?

-You said you don't think zexy is mafia. Elaborate please?

-Why do you not think sloonei is mafia but are null reading him after your interaction with him?

-What was townie about In a words entrance to the thread?

I notice sig makes a lot of comments like this without much explanation so I'm gonna wait for his answers to these questions before I give a read here.

Okay so I'm civ reading both you and Golden. I think your both trying to scum hunt and be genuine. However, your attempting this in different ways and butting heads. I notice this happens alot among the town "alphas" That is what is happening with you two. It looks like you've resolved your disagreement which is good since as I said I think it was TvT. I think it is more likely for scum to be laying low right now.

So you had a civ read on Silver here, yet you're willing to change up your opinion on her later based solely on one comment regarding allowing me to catch up? Your reasoning for doing so, that Silver wasn't willing to do so for IAWY, who unlike me wasn't around is weak. She had actually been pinged by IAWY's posts as she had explained earlier, if she hadn't been pinged by my two posts then she has every reason to give me time to catch up over IAWY. Part of your reasoning for trying to create a CFD on me is that I hadn't posted again after my first two posts, as if I was avoiding posting rather than continuing my read through.

Were you that confident that I am scum, IAWY is town?

sig wrote:Golden
MM
Psittacitform
Soneji
Sloonie

I'm not voting for Golden or Soneji today. If someone gives me a case on Sloonie and it is good I'd consider it, but won't build it myself. I could swing for MM, but again haven't seen a case on him. Psittacitform is the one I'd be most willing to vote for out of this group atm. However, I'm hesitant since he only has two posts. Though we've had 60 hours to make posts and him only making two is a little odd.

The other angle is Frog, could he be mafia trying to push us onto lurkers? Maybe, but I'm not confident in that.

I do really dislike Silver's read on Zebra/MP. I doubt MP is mafia and at the moment I'm thinking Zebra isn't either. However, if I have to pick between Zebra and MP I'd go for Zebra.

@Zebra who would you like to lynch?

linki: Zebra so your saying I should lynhc you since you're mafia attempting a gambit.
:P

I'm somewhat confused as to how that group of 5 was made as seemingly your main lynch choices. Why put Golden in there at all if you're not voting him, why would you claim you would not vote me without seeing what I might post(when I did, you immediately jumped on it for vague reasons)?

Sloonei wrote:Somebody tell me who I should vote for. I am not going to be able to read this thread tonight. Or tomorrow. Or the next day. I probably should have stayed on the sidelines.

This post was just bait going by how he responded to Ika's reply to it. What I find to be a bit scummy is that if this was truly bait, why reel in such low hanging fruit as Ika, whose adamant about not having actual reasons for his suspicions, just gut? You're not going to get good results from going for him.

ika wrote:ok so i jsut read up and i want to say one thing:

in boht turf and hest i was ina constant stuggle on being lynch vs not being lycnhed.

turf i barly got by the first 3 days, on day 3 i only got away due to vote loans. 4-5 i got away due to me bussing fuzzy in CFD

hesit i was the competing wagon on all of day 2 and most of 3.

i am very much an easy myslycnh based on my own playstyle

Such raw honesty Ika. I was a bit iffy about that post by MP as I did remember you almost got lynched day 2 in Turf Wars and mainly sailed by the next few days based on people thinking it unlikely that you'd use the loan votes on your own scummate. You were actually mafia though, so I couldn't exactly categorize it as a mislynch. Wasn't in Heist so couldn't judge that in the moment but if what you say is true, then MP appears to have tried to spin the narrative a bit.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well by golly, you all better at least lynch Sloonei before you lynch me.

Any particular reason the order matters to you, since you appear to not care that your lynch will follow in this scenario? Considering you think him mafia, would you not say your push on him would then warrant some towncred if he flips the way you think he will?

a2thezebra wrote:I'm town and I'd like to keep playing, but keeping MP alive takes the top priority right now.

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

This seems overly dramatic, as I'm rather sure there wasn't all that many votes on MP and quite awhile left in the phase.

a2thezebra wrote:I get some of the new people being suspicious of me, but sig and Golden? You two should know better.

Never been one to have this type of reasoning sit well with me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I presume this means we're playing with a 1-Shot Mafia Vigilante.

Dyslexicon wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I presume this means we're playing with a 1-Shot Mafia Vigilante.

Do you think Epi would be a likely extra kill for mafia N1 if they have a 1-shot? I'm making no assumptions based on these NKs other than there is an least an extra killing role in place. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It could be the 1-shot mafia vig or it could be the standard town vig. We can narrow down the set-up we're playing through this knowledge. We're not playing set-up 2, 6 or B.

I will resume my catch-up.

sig wrote:@Golden yes it was rather stupid, however I was trying to provide an alternative to the inaword and MM lynch. I believe just like I believed last game that this is a scum driven CFD away from the mafia member. SO I might have been wrong last game about the CFD however, I'm confident this game that I'm not wrong and that this CFD is actually mafia driven and fake. Plus I really dislike Silver's thoughts on Soneji.
?

Silver hasn't given any thoughts on me sig. All she has said when mentioning my name is in relation to my activity, IAWY's RVS on me and asking you why you're reluctant on giving me time to catch up. She has offered no opinion on my actual reads.

You're making a connection out of basically nothing.

sig wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

sig wrote:So how about a counterwagon onto Soneji? Now that he has made a less then inspiring entrance.

Why would you want to start a cw? Is IAWY that strong town to you? And why not give Sonjei time to catch up?

Are you serious right now? YOU are lynching IAWY when he isn't here or caught up. And you make it seem bad I'm saying the same thing?

So are you actually going to get around to moving your vote to me or are you going to try and wait for someone else to do your dirty work?

Marco wrote:

Soneji wrote:

sig wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

sig wrote:So how about a counterwagon onto Soneji? Now that he has made a less then inspiring entrance.

Why?

You hate CFD's why should we lynch Soneji at this moment?

Linki: why don't you like them?

I do hate CFD's yes however, I'm fighting agaisnt a CFD which I believe is being used to save a baddie teammate. I know I"m not mafia so this is a slightly better CFD.


It seemed like he made some posts to appear and not be lurking, yet really didn't say anything that much. I also really disliked his vote and the fact he hasn't posted again since appearing or mention any of the big wagons and things going on.

In regards to avoiding major wagons, you mean the sole two that have more than a couple votes? Why should I exactly care to be voting for either, rather than the person I personally suspect the most at this moment?

In my opinion, you can make your suspicions well known without needing to waste your vote. Even though you might not have a strong feeling towards any of the major wagons, at least voting among them gives you some agency over town's greatest weapon, the lynch, and also helps the rest of the people in reading you.

Yet, considering the time left, my lynch choice was and is still able to garner enough votes to be the actual person lynched. I have still yet to get to where the MM suspicion starts, might just ISO him if I don't get there in time. IAWY I have already been pinged by so in the case of choosing between the two as of now, it would be him.

sig wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

sig wrote:So how about a counterwagon onto Soneji? Now that he has made a less then inspiring entrance.

Why?

You hate CFD's why should we lynch Soneji at this moment?

Linki: why don't you like them?

I do hate CFD's yes however, I'm fighting agaisnt a CFD which I believe is being used to save a baddie teammate. I know I"m not mafia so this is a slightly better CFD.


It seemed like he made some posts to appear and not be lurking, yet really didn't say anything that much. I also really disliked his vote and the fact he hasn't posted again since appearing or mention any of the big wagons and things going on.

In regards to avoiding major wagons, you mean the sole two that have more than a couple votes? Why should I exactly care to be voting for either, rather than the person I personally suspect the most at this moment?

Frog wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Frog wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Frog wrote:For now

Vote: Metalmarshmellow89

This vote is weak.

Why is it weak? What vote is strong in your opinion and why?

I would think any non voter is weak IMO. Where there exists no pressure on slankers, we're screwing up.

I believe you to be villager (either derp or lynch baiting me, w/e)

USERNAME POSTS
Golden 53
Marco 43
Sloonei 41
Frog 34
Dyslexicon 27
Silverwolf 25
sig 20
Zexy 20
JaggedJimmyJay 14
MovingPictures07 13
ika 11
Long Con 11
Inawordyes 10
DrWilgy 4
Metalmarsh89 4
a2thezebra 3
Psittaciform 2

Straight up, this is how I see today.

I'm pretty much only going to be voting for Dr Wigly, Metalmarsh, a2thezebra, or Psittaciform

[I was trying to lynch bait Zexy earlier, pretty sure Zexy randed Town, just wanted to see who would hop on that opening.]

My vote on Metalmarsh has to do with a complete non-game solvey style.

In case you actually need references to his quotes, tell me how right I am and then vote with me.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 8&sr=posts

So you go from strong pressuring of people for actual potential scum tells to...being determined to lynch inactives? When there was almost two days left in the phase when this was posted?

VOTE FROG

Dyslexicon wrote:

Frog wrote:However- going to have to agree with you. Ore flip associations are usually lol. But let the ENTP in me lay out all of the tinfoils anyway!!!

You're ENTP? You should join PersonalityCafe lol \o/

I should maybe try playing there. If the people there have a deeper understanding of my mindset then they're potentially less likely to misjudge me as can be the case on my home site. INTP myself, though I got INTJ until recently.

MovingPictures07 wrote: SLOONEJI STRIKES AGAIN!

I can't say I'm not tempted to join every game Sloonei does to further the legend of Slooneji.

/derp

Being condescending doesn't make you good. We truly do have the Absolute Justice of this game, before he calmed down and stopped being a toxic presence regardless of his alignment.

sig wrote:I really dislike Soneji's two posts. He came in seemed to make some so he wouldn't be lurking and voted Frog. I think he voted on weak reasoning and jjust wanted to throw out a vote which really wouldn't create any waves and avoided all the major wagons.

sig wrote:So how about a counterwagon onto Soneji? Now that he has made a less then inspiring entrance.

sig wrote:Hey everyone please look over Soneji's posts and tell me what you think. I don't like them at all, and I don't like his vote. Or the fact he hasn't posted again.

If you're mafia then this is one of the most pathetically desperate attempts at a counterwagon I've ever seen. I am reading through the thread, giving my reads in my customary manner. You could at least try to point out what is flawed in my reasoning, why those flaws make me scummy and what is weak about my Frog vote.

You're really impatient and blatantly ignoring the fact that I'm going through the thread(which should be obvious). You're ready to piss your pants with how excited you are at creating a CFD.

Frog wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Frog wrote:For now

Vote: Metalmarshmellow89

This vote is weak.

Why is it weak? What vote is strong in your opinion and why?

I would think any non voter is weak IMO. Where there exists no pressure on slankers, we're screwing up.

I believe you to be villager (either derp or lynch baiting me, w/e)

USERNAME POSTS
Golden 53
Marco 43
Sloonei 41
Frog 34
Dyslexicon 27
Silverwolf 25
sig 20
Zexy 20
JaggedJimmyJay 14
MovingPictures07 13
ika 11
Long Con 11
Inawordyes 10
DrWilgy 4
Metalmarsh89 4
a2thezebra 3
Psittaciform 2

Straight up, this is how I see today.

I'm pretty much only going to be voting for Dr Wigly, Metalmarsh, a2thezebra, or Psittaciform

[I was trying to lynch bait Zexy earlier, pretty sure Zexy randed Town, just wanted to see who would hop on that opening.]

My vote on Metalmarsh has to do with a complete non-game solvey style.

In case you actually need references to his quotes, tell me how right I am and then vote with me.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 8&sr=posts

So you go from strong pressuring of people for actual potential scum tells to...being determined to lynch inactives? When there was almost two days left in the phase when this was posted?

VOTE FROG

Dyslexicon wrote:

Frog wrote:However- going to have to agree with you. Ore flip associations are usually lol. But let the ENTP in me lay out all of the tinfoils anyway!!!

You're ENTP? You should join PersonalityCafe lol \o/

I should maybe try playing there. If the people there have a deeper understanding of my mindset then they're potentially less likely to misjudge me as can be the case on my home site. INTP myself, though I got INTJ until recently.

MovingPictures07 wrote: SLOONEJI STRIKES AGAIN!

I can't say I'm not tempted to join every game Sloonei does to further the legend of Slooneji.

Through page 15:

Psittaciform wrote:Hello~

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Psittacitform caught my eye. VOTE PSITTACITFORM. I see you there with your hand in the cookie jar. What have you to say for yourself!

Thanks for the welcome! Cookie jar? What cookies, vanilla? Because I have a vanilla here, not a cookie, however. :P

Zexy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:What I didn't like about your posts is that they seemed like an easy opportunistic set of early observations when there wasn't a whole lot of content to analyze. It's a good and easy way to establish yourself early on as a town leader.

I don't think you are the kind of person who would base a read only on that anyway when so much more is going to happen.
I'd like to believe same goes for sig.

I'll just note on this that Zexy is also prone to analyze anything he can and try to set himself up as a town leader, which can (at least partly) explain why he's going to Sig's defense here over that.

For what reason are you saying this? I didn't see anything that would prompt it. It reads as a preemptive defense to another players actions/playstyle.

On that note, I'm not, you won't hear from me unless I feel I have something worth saying.

I hope that you aren't limited in which fields you consider yourself knowledgeable enough on to have something worth saying.

Frog wrote:

Marco wrote:

sig wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Hi!

Hello.

Sloonei wrote:Sig came in and tried to drag as much content out of things as he could. I'd like that if it didn't feel like such an effort to distance oneself from the label of low participation or scumminess.
Let's VOTE SIG

You'd usually like it but, don't this time? That doesn't make much sense.Also it is weird seeing how this is the beginning of day 1 so how would I be labeled as low participation if I hadn't had made any posts after my first one?

So why is it scummy that I'm posting and trying to get some content, since from where I sit it looks like your trying to stifle discussion.

He wasn't calling you out for low participation.

For reference, this is Marco randomly defending Sloonei from Sig.

Why would any player have incentive to defend another player, especially in the early stages where players are seeking reactions? Marco essentially forced Sig to not get the reactions from Marco, and shielded Marco from having to react.

From a Town perspective - It's possible Marco was shielding his town read, Sloonei, from abuse. Judging how Marco proceeded to vote me after I voted Sloonei, I would say assuming Marco!Town, Marco clearly has discovered a way to hard Town read Sloonei from a few troll RVS posts, a miracle to say the least.

From a Not Town Perspective - Marco!Town was acting not town by disallowing everyone in the game from seeing actual content argument between sig and marco, whereby we would be able to actively gauge v/w, v/v type of interactions. Instead Marco!Town was not town and cut these interactions shorts, and denied Marco's reaction

From a Scum Perspective - Marco!Scum comes from an informed perspective. Either he knows Sloonei is town and is trying to pocket him, or Marco is defending a wolf bro.

Of these scenarios, and because of Marco's previous TMI (Too Much Information) posts that suggest he's coming from an informed perspective, I'm much more inclined to deduce and FOS (Finger of Suspicion) Marco at this point OVER Sloonei.

There is a variation in which Sloonei is in fact Town - judging by Sloonei's aggressive behavior and general interactivity across the board, I'd like to bump Sloonei up from lean scum to cautious null.

I will also bump down Marco into a hard wolf read.

[flash=3]Vote: Marco[/flash]

I would say to this that Marco is the type of town player that actively tries to prevent "towning". He will point out the flaws in reasoning he disagrees with to prevent mislynches. In his response to sig there though, he doesn't point out what Sloonei was actually calling sig out for, which is generally what I'd think he'd do as town. He may have just thought it obvious but it gives me a slight mafia lean. Up to this point hes been too focused on talking mechanics. Not sure if he actually knowledge slipped though. The presumption of innocence on your part is necessary for him to even consider trying your strategy, as if you're mafia and do know the exact set-up then it wasn't beneficial in his view to spend time playing the role claim game. He misunderstood your actual strategy, which is easy for someone who comes from a site that doesn't have that type of metagame at all. Its also possible for it to have just been bait.

Sloonei wrote:A town player can defend another player for what they perceive as incorrect or invalid lines of suspicion. I do not agree with your analysis, but I've not looked closely at Marco.

Also what do you mean when you call my posts "troll" posts? I made a confused face when I read that.

Its not as if there had been that many posters besides Marco up to this point that had been active. That you can't offer a more definitive opinion of him at this point is rather iffy. Whats the benefit of saying you disagree with his analysis if having paid closer attention to Marco would potentially change your view of its worth?

From a post a bit after this, its kind of dramatic to take one early joke post about being mafia as self-lynch baiting. Being hyper-aggressive constantly is also generally not good for town, its something the user AJ on my home site learned the hard way.

Sloonei wrote:So far it seems all of us who are mixed in with this current grouping are unfamiliar with each other's playstyles and communities. I've never played with either Frog or Marco before, and I don't know whether or not they've played together but I think the answer is no. Either one of them can correct me if I'm wrong. But I think we should all be cautious before reading each other too strongly. Sometimes unfamiliarity can give the illusion of scumminess. I'll need to take a step back from all this to think more clearly. I am also slightly distracted at the moment.

I would say its best to just go with what we have to work with and not doubt our instincts.

Long Con wrote:So that's what it takes to get you guys to shut up for an hour and a half. I'm going to work now, be back in a while.

Frog, loving the point of view, maybe I'll try some of your logic out, if I'm not too lazy.

I would figure that that would have been a good opportunity for you to catch up on the thread.

Inawordyes wrote:

Frog wrote:

Inawordyes wrote:

Spoiler: show

Marco wrote:

Spoiler: show

Thanks. That's perfect.

Unvote

Ooh, okay. So I'm gonna go ahead and poke Frog since I know him from MU games. Heyo! How are you? WHY ARE YOU MAFIA?!?!? *cough* Ahem,I mean, "would it possible in any sort of context unique to both this world and any potential alternate realities that you could inform our inquiring minds just as to the current state of this fine game as perceived from your self and, potentially, a hint as to the true nature of where your alignments lie, to which you could also potentially be lying to us with a bold face and would need to understandably be punished?


VOTE FROG

1 - lmao, you verbose SOAB. Keep content short and sweet plox
2 - You never claimed to rand town (suspicious as fish)
3 - I don't usually like engaging in RVS silliness, but I'm doing pretty decent thanks for asking :-D About to head out to the bar next door. Congrats on F3 in the princess game btw, I'll give you a hint with respect to one of my secret identities:

Spoiler: show

Our hero, the intrepid Spaceman Spiff, struggles with the controls of his damaged spacecraft!

Haha, I'm free of the shackles MU has placed upon me, here I can be my unconstrained, usual self. I don't usually claim town, it's not how I play (MU is a different beast altogether, I'm not me when I'm there, so The Syndicate is like a proverbial kit-kat bar haha.

Well ain't that spiffy.

Spoiler: show

Spaceman Spiffy! Sorry for being instrumental in your mislynch D1!

I'm really burnt out by it though, and I wished MU had Mods on Duty because one was desperately needed. I'm also gonna be busy all day tomorrow, so I'm just gonna take this game to relax and unwind and be my fun and crazy self haha. Not to say I'll be inactive! But I'm sure I won't post 100+ times in a day haha, nor will I need to be right on the pulse with the game as everything's happening. If anyone objects to that type of attitude btw, it's completely fine, I probably worded it wrong.

Now, to catch up with the rest of the game...

One of the weirdest preemptive defenses I've ever read. Its "fine if we object to the attitude you are proclaiming to have because we're probably misunderstanding you"?

ika wrote:

Golden wrote: I don't like this vote at all.

MP has been up front about his schedule and exactly when he will be trying to post. There are people who haven't posted at all. Feels like you are picking on the person who has self-admitted they will be quiet. And anyway, why exactly does he, specifically, need to post more?

As far as the detail of Zexy as scum - I don't know what you're missing? I've posted the reason I am pinged by him. There isn't anything more to it because it's a relatively small ping, what would you like me to explain more? What was the 'some content' that you liked? Was there part of it you didn't like?

Hey golden, remember heist and turf? Silver was spot on. Not only that but the people were lurkers.

Knowing someon Scedule does not excuse them from not posting. For me existing everything is scum tell 101.

Perot: and silver ninjas me

I know that you're super defensive of SW but its a bit hypocritical in that you would defend SW for not posting at particular times knowing her schedule, like how she earlier remarked on you being out of town so you might not be able to post.