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- Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:36 pm
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- Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:29 am
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Yeah I've been twisting this over in my head the last couple hours and I've reached a high likelihood that the Wilgy wagon had at least one wolf on it, once I have time to properly sit down I'm going to detail things out. NKA alone though heavily suggests a wolf on the wagon. With NKA the simplest answer is more often then not the correct one, but it is too often dismissed as being too obvious to be true, and with the Marmot kill the simplest answer is that wolves wanted to make the wagon seem pure by flipping the one who started it. The one who benefits the most from this is Seanzie, and for me their flip would go a long way towards seeing the big picture of the game.
[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
- Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:16 am
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
The logical assumption is that someone includes themselves among their towncore by default so it's unnecessary and potentially performative to list themselves, because either they know they're town from their rolecard, or they know they need to fake being town from their rolecard. One doesn't normally include themselves in readslist as they cannot make a read on their own alignment which is a known factor to them, and either they know they're town or need to fake it. The need for anti-town to fake being town is what subconsciously can cause them to want to project "I AM TOWN" at every opportunity, hence listing themselves in towncores/townreads lists.Neon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:39 amThat seems weird I think most players include themself in their reads and why would they ever say they aren't town
It is common enough for actual townies, especially from certain site cultures, to list themselves in such things so it's not a hard wolf tell, but it can be a soft tell when alongside other performative town projection examples.
- Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:03 pm
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
If you ask me a joke of a question, you're going to get a joke of an answer.
- Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:59 pm
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- Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:50 pm
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Matahara's response to pressure was...uninspiring, and I still don't feel good about them. Now that they've answered though, I'd rather be voting one of Golden or Seanzie rather than being on a wagon with them.
[VOTE: Golden] aubergine
[VOTE: Golden] aubergine
- Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:47 pm
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
I'd feel better about your chances of being town if you were pushing Scotty today, or at least gave a good reason to back off.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:54 pm Boy does this post go a long way down the path of trying to get people not to listen to what I’m saying… creating some big straw men there.
So my ‘sabi or scotty’ post is both steering the thread but also curiously I’m not pushing for Scotty today. Hmm, very curious.
And there’s a straw man against why wilgys vote train being clean wouldn’t be mafia’s wet dream. Really, you don’t think so? You don’t think they’d love it if day two focussed on a wagon full of civs? Or do you just prefer my idea is discounted?
A clean wagon onto Wilgy would be the ideal for wolves, but when wagons are close at EoD they're likely to have had to get their hands dirty to secure that mislim.
Seanzie, Lucy and you all have good chances of being wolves. If Seanzie is a wolf, potentially all three wolves were on Wilgy to save him.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:58 pmIt has exactly one purpose:Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:52 pmWhat’s pingy about it?Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:51 pmPingy ping ping pingy pingSoneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:00 am Got through almost all posts in game, will be somewhat around rest of day but have a D&D session then will be watching football, so divided focus.
The first group is rightly calling for accountability from the Wilgy voters, while the second has every reason to not want to rock the boat. Dennis is a newbie, what narrative is he going to try and control? Plus several players rushed to proclaim him townie for his EoD. Seanzie just narrowly escaped the noose, of course they'd avoid a thunder dome. SVS does look good from how they explained their vote, and how they wanted a tie.Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:15 pm Gone back to read it again:
Kate - holy bad countertrain, wtf guys.
Sabi - Sean, golden, SVS or Lucy contains a wolf. Also, ties are bad.
Scotty = not committing, sure looks like a seanzie save to me. Rejects "SVS is obvtown" arguments.
Dennis - "with marmot dead, I'm not certain how to read the Wilgy wagon"
Seanzie - "not gonna dome sabi, that's derailing the thread, also SVS is obvitown"
SVS - Just explains her thinking
Instinct says Kate might just be caught up in that first bundle, it's not like examination of that group is bad. But it's quite central to why scotty and sabi are forefront of my mind today.
Conversely, the bottom group (people on the wilgy train) don't try to control the narrative at all.
I find the bolded rather amusing as controlling the narrative has been a large part of your play this game, including this post.
One down, one to go. Don't see a Scotty push so far this day though, curious.
This is my new favorite post in this gameScotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:21 pmI’ve been down this path with you before. Time is a circle jfcSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:39 amDude...Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:39 am
-He racked up a ton of votes by midday and no one was seemingly budging
-He refused to offer alternatives with any merit or explanation
-He remained aloof and simultaneously snippy at times
-His unvoting means nothing because he was already in the lead looking to croak. But doing so broadcasts “I’m not afraid to die, come at me” which is legitimate gambit that I see mafia do all the time.
But yeah; there’s not a single aspect of his game that makes sense as wolf
Scotty: Seanzie, Who is a good alternative? Sabi? Me?
Me: You apparently already know what my answer would be.
Scotty: Seanzie won't give an alternative.
Think for a second, what did I actually say to your question?
When I go to the doctor for a pain in my chest, I don’t want the doctor to ask me what I think the problem is.
I offered you the chance yesterday to do some casing and alternative names, and offered a few names that I was assuming you suspected. Your response was very similar to this one.
This is how I get prescribed liver medication for my plaque psoriasis
Townie feeling frustration
Yeah it comes off rather disingenuous to act as if there are no valid reasons to suspect Seanzie.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:26 pmSorry. My sarcasm was coming on strong.
It was a response to Golden not finding a single shred of evidence that Seanzie could be wolf, and I was listing legitimately wolfy things that one could stop and go “yeah, that doesn’t sound towny”
Whether or not I think he is wolf at the present? Im not sure. Leaning not? I think a lot of those could just be Seanzie. I have horrible memory and don’t remember if that is behavior he normally exhibits as town
Reasons are simple : in a wolf Sean world, they obviously want to save their packmate. In a town Sean world, they're hoping to off a potential threat in Wilgy while the opportunity is ripe and they can act like they didn't think it'd go over, and then hope that town wants to flip the counterwagon the next day for the 2 for 1 special.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:06 pmAlso let me add to this that a clean wilgy wagon developing is the wolves wet dream. I'm not sure why any of them would jump on. Having it clean creates such a good opportunity to steer direction, which is exactly why I think it happened.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:39 pmYeah, I have said if one isbad its Lucy.
Marmot is flipped
I know it’s not me
Seanzie is my top town at this point
SVS is also my top town at this point. They’re fighting for it.
I feel like the Dennis vote is clean.
I’m vibing town on Lucy but there’s some little reasons for doubt.
It's normal for a townie when they have reason to believe wolves think of them as a threat, which can be just felt as a known power town, but after being on two mislim wagons to start you'd think there would be some self-doubt that doc/wolves are prioritizing you.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:12 amBy the way, my point in saying this is not 'the kill target was me'.
It's that self-perceiving that you were at risk and that the doc saved you is normal.
But I don't think the answer is obvious. Could be you, could be me, could be someone else. The doc might have saved themselves for all we know.
Would you not say that if wolfchat was guiding someone coming into d2, going after Seanzie at the time of my post would be advised against considering there were multiple people defending him and momentum wasn't towards a Seanzie elim?
Do find it amusing that anyone thinks I'm being coached in general.
I found myself nodding along with it, like I’ve seemed to do with most of Soneji’s posts this game
“Don’t listen to golden, he’s miseliming civs, stuff he says is probably bad”
Most of all, ‘nah, golden, you weren’t the kill target’ well fuckity fuck fuck fuck, why even go there?
Only… come on soneji, tell me who the wolf is on the wilgy wagon?
If it's unclear, I do have a mild moving on medium suspicion of you.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:10 pmI don’t think there was a mild level of suspicion. Just discrediting.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:02 pmThe whole post wasn’t about you, but I hear you.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:58 pmIt has exactly one purpose:Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:52 pmWhat’s pingy about it?Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:51 pmPingy ping ping pingy pingSoneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:00 am Got through almost all posts in game, will be somewhat around rest of day but have a D&D session then will be watching football, so divided focus.
The first group is rightly calling for accountability from the Wilgy voters, while the second has every reason to not want to rock the boat. Dennis is a newbie, what narrative is he going to try and control? Plus several players rushed to proclaim him townie for his EoD. Seanzie just narrowly escaped the noose, of course they'd avoid a thunder dome. SVS does look good from how they explained their vote, and how they wanted a tie.Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:15 pm Gone back to read it again:
Kate - holy bad countertrain, wtf guys.
Sabi - Sean, golden, SVS or Lucy contains a wolf. Also, ties are bad.
Scotty = not committing, sure looks like a seanzie save to me. Rejects "SVS is obvtown" arguments.
Dennis - "with marmot dead, I'm not certain how to read the Wilgy wagon"
Seanzie - "not gonna dome sabi, that's derailing the thread, also SVS is obvitown"
SVS - Just explains her thinking
Instinct says Kate might just be caught up in that first bundle, it's not like examination of that group is bad. But it's quite central to why scotty and sabi are forefront of my mind today.
Conversely, the bottom group (people on the wilgy train) don't try to control the narrative at all.
I find the bolded rather amusing as controlling the narrative has been a large part of your play this game, including this post.
One down, one to go. Don't see a Scotty push so far this day though, curious.
This is my new favorite post in this gameScotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:21 pm
I’ve been down this path with you before. Time is a circle jfc
When I go to the doctor for a pain in my chest, I don’t want the doctor to ask me what I think the problem is.
I offered you the chance yesterday to do some casing and alternative names, and offered a few names that I was assuming you suspected. Your response was very similar to this one.
This is how I get prescribed liver medication for my plaque psoriasis
Townie feeling frustration
Yeah it comes off rather disingenuous to act as if there are no valid reasons to suspect Seanzie.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:26 pm
Sorry. My sarcasm was coming on strong.
It was a response to Golden not finding a single shred of evidence that Seanzie could be wolf, and I was listing legitimately wolfy things that one could stop and go “yeah, that doesn’t sound towny”
Whether or not I think he is wolf at the present? Im not sure. Leaning not? I think a lot of those could just be Seanzie. I have horrible memory and don’t remember if that is behavior he normally exhibits as town
Reasons are simple : in a wolf Sean world, they obviously want to save their packmate. In a town Sean world, they're hoping to off a potential threat in Wilgy while the opportunity is ripe and they can act like they didn't think it'd go over, and then hope that town wants to flip the counterwagon the next day for the 2 for 1 special.
It's normal for a townie when they have reason to believe wolves think of them as a threat, which can be just felt as a known power town, but after being on two mislim wagons to start you'd think there would be some self-doubt that doc/wolves are prioritizing you.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:12 am
By the way, my point in saying this is not 'the kill target was me'.
It's that self-perceiving that you were at risk and that the doc saved you is normal.
But I don't think the answer is obvious. Could be you, could be me, could be someone else. The doc might have saved themselves for all we know.
Would you not say that if wolfchat was guiding someone coming into d2, going after Seanzie at the time of my post would be advised against considering there were multiple people defending him and momentum wasn't towards a Seanzie elim?
Do find it amusing that anyone thinks I'm being coached in general.
I found myself nodding along with it, like I’ve seemed to do with most of Soneji’s posts this game
“Don’t listen to golden, he’s miseliming civs, stuff he says is probably bad”
Most of all, ‘nah, golden, you weren’t the kill target’ well fuckity fuck fuck fuck, why even go there?
Only… come on soneji, tell me who the wolf is on the wilgy wagon?
I think having a mild level of suspicion on you is healthy in general
- Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:42 am
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
This was my reasoning in my original post :Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:37 amCan you say why you think my post was the wolfiest you’ve seen? I think I get it, as I don’t notice a lot of that going on. The new way of playing seems to consist of more questioning and a lot of challenging people right out of the gate. I signed up for this game to try and learn stuff about the new way, but I believe it’s going to take a few games before I get used to it. Still, I’ll learn.Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:18 amNo different than normal, as I normally enter later than most regardless.
In the busier part of my work day and sleep deprived, but I'll get to things later tonight. matahari pressure in nice to see, they have the actual wolfiest post I've seen this game with their d1 readslist.
[VOTE: Matahari] aubergine
Do you see it as wolfy for any reason, other than the difference between old and new?
I’ll try to catch any and all questions directed at me in the order I get them.
Soneji wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:51 amThis looks like forced content mixed with a whole lot of fence sitting, given that you gave nothing reads on myself(absent player) and Marmot, and other reads were basically just game recaps with little actual thoughts of your own. The closest to real thoughts here are with sabi who you seem to suspect but don't actually outright point the finger of suspicion at, and with Falcon who you start to sus then back off because you thought you remember it being said it fits their meta(why should you trust sabi's meta on Falcon here, when you seem to sus sabi as well?). The Seanzie "read" is the most amusing to me, since you present their statement as either a risky town statement, or an IDGAF statement, but you never contemplate is as a wolfy statement.Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:45 am i want to post my thoughts so far, while I have a minute. They are definitely not deep thoughts, but how deep can they be on day 1?
New players get a pass, until later in the game. Absent players, as well.
if I don't mention you, its because I have you as town for now.
Falcon45ca- I didn't find it suspicious that you chose someone quickly because with movable votes, it seems like a lot of players throw votes around in a slap-happy fashion. then you were questioned about it, and you promptly posted quotes for why you made your vote. This looked legit to me at the time. Later it occurred to me that maybe you did all that too quickly, Pre-planned? But someone, Sabiplz, I think, said this was normal for your town game.
Soneji posted, I think, but I'll need to go back and look to make sure. ???
Lucy- so far, is reminding me of Dr. Wilgy. Too random to read, and weird posting just annoys me because I don't know what to do with it. I'd like to hear from players who are familiar with them.
Seanzie made a very risky statement for a town player to make. Or just an 'I can't be bothered' statement. Since it was preceded by an 'Ugh', I'm going with the former.
Sabiplz drew attention to his post, then backed away from it, then said she rarely voted early or often, then 17 minutes later she voted for Seanzie. None of this feels right.
Golden got a vote from Falcon, and although Falcon's reasons would not be enough to convince me to vote someone, I thought they were ok for a day 1. However after post 486 ( I think, I'll go back and check later and do an ebwop if necessary), I have Golden as town.
Marmot, no clue. I'd like to hear what other players think of him. ???
Everyone else, I have as probably town. I have no absolutes this early, but I'm watching the players above who pinged me. I'd like to hear what other players think of my not so deep thoughts, please.
Current suspects :
Seanzie
Matahari
lucy
sabi to a lesser extent, but I've liked their posting outside of their interactions with Marmot
Your posts after this were mostly just reiterating stuff about sabi, and some more game recapping
- Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:00 am
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- Topic: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Got through almost all posts in game, will be somewhat around rest of day but have a D&D session then will be watching football, so divided focus.
I find the bolded rather amusing as controlling the narrative has been a large part of your play this game, including this post.
Townie feeling frustration
Do find it amusing that anyone thinks I'm being coached in general.
The first group is rightly calling for accountability from the Wilgy voters, while the second has every reason to not want to rock the boat. Dennis is a newbie, what narrative is he going to try and control? Plus several players rushed to proclaim him townie for his EoD. Seanzie just narrowly escaped the noose, of course they'd avoid a thunder dome. SVS does look good from how they explained their vote, and how they wanted a tie.Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:15 pm Gone back to read it again:
Kate - holy bad countertrain, wtf guys.
Sabi - Sean, golden, SVS or Lucy contains a wolf. Also, ties are bad.
Scotty = not committing, sure looks like a seanzie save to me. Rejects "SVS is obvtown" arguments.
Dennis - "with marmot dead, I'm not certain how to read the Wilgy wagon"
Seanzie - "not gonna dome sabi, that's derailing the thread, also SVS is obvitown"
SVS - Just explains her thinking
Instinct says Kate might just be caught up in that first bundle, it's not like examination of that group is bad. But it's quite central to why scotty and sabi are forefront of my mind today.
Conversely, the bottom group (people on the wilgy train) don't try to control the narrative at all.
I find the bolded rather amusing as controlling the narrative has been a large part of your play this game, including this post.
One down, one to go. Don't see a Scotty push so far this day though, curious.
This is my new favorite post in this gameScotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:21 pmI’ve been down this path with you before. Time is a circle jfcSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:39 amDude...Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:39 am-He racked up a ton of votes by midday and no one was seemingly budgingGolden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:26 amI just can’t square away a Seanzie wolf read at all at this point. I think there isn’t a single aspect of his game that makes sense as wolf.Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:18 amThreatening to do it and actually doing it are two VERY different things.Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 amI don’t get it. In what world is mafia Sean threatening to unvote wilgy and elim himself just no ensure an elim if he’s bad.Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:07 am
Well I thought he was mafia yesterday and his end of day behavior didn't help that at all.
My thoughts on Dennis don't assume Sean is bad. Him placing the last vote on any civ wasn't going to look good since we (the civs) do know for certain one way or the other and they (maf) do. If I were on dennis' mafia team I'd strongly counsel him not to be the deciding vote on anyone who was a civ. Plus his actions seem instinctive, not like they were well thought out with other players.
What about his unvote on sabi when it was 5-3? Like, that’s basically the same thing as what he threatened to do, and he actually did it.
-He refused to offer alternatives with any merit or explanation
-He remained aloof and simultaneously snippy at times
-His unvoting means nothing because he was already in the lead looking to croak. But doing so broadcasts “I’m not afraid to die, come at me” which is legitimate gambit that I see mafia do all the time.
But yeah; there’s not a single aspect of his game that makes sense as wolf
Scotty: Seanzie, Who is a good alternative? Sabi? Me?
Me: You apparently already know what my answer would be.
Scotty: Seanzie won't give an alternative.
Think for a second, what did I actually say to your question?
When I go to the doctor for a pain in my chest, I don’t want the doctor to ask me what I think the problem is.
I offered you the chance yesterday to do some casing and alternative names, and offered a few names that I was assuming you suspected. Your response was very similar to this one.
This is how I get prescribed liver medication for my plaque psoriasis
Townie feeling frustration
Yeah it comes off rather disingenuous to act as if there are no valid reasons to suspect Seanzie.Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:26 pmSorry. My sarcasm was coming on strong.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:32 amNot gonna lie I'm still confused. Do you think Seanzie is doing things that make sense as wolf or not?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:01 amNot at allDennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:42 amIs this last sentence sarcasm, just to be clear?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:39 am-He racked up a ton of votes by midday and no one was seemingly budgingGolden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:26 amI just can’t square away a Seanzie wolf read at all at this point. I think there isn’t a single aspect of his game that makes sense as wolf.
What about his unvote on sabi when it was 5-3? Like, that’s basically the same thing as what he threatened to do, and he actually did it.
-He refused to offer alternatives with any merit or explanation
-He remained aloof and simultaneously snippy at times
-His unvoting means nothing because he was already in the lead looking to croak. But doing so broadcasts “I’m not afraid to die, come at me” which is legitimate gambit that I see mafia do all the time.
But yeah; there’s not a single aspect of his game that makes sense as wolf
I used sarcastic orange for that statement by the by
It was a response to Golden not finding a single shred of evidence that Seanzie could be wolf, and I was listing legitimately wolfy things that one could stop and go “yeah, that doesn’t sound towny”
Whether or not I think he is wolf at the present? Im not sure. Leaning not? I think a lot of those could just be Seanzie. I have horrible memory and don’t remember if that is behavior he normally exhibits as town
Reasons are simple : in a wolf Sean world, they obviously want to save their packmate. In a town Sean world, they're hoping to off a potential threat in Wilgy while the opportunity is ripe and they can act like they didn't think it'd go over, and then hope that town wants to flip the counterwagon the next day for the 2 for 1 special.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:06 pmAlso let me add to this that a clean wilgy wagon developing is the wolves wet dream. I'm not sure why any of them would jump on. Having it clean creates such a good opportunity to steer direction, which is exactly why I think it happened.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:39 pmYeah, I have said if one isbad its Lucy.
Marmot is flipped
I know it’s not me
Seanzie is my top town at this point
SVS is also my top town at this point. They’re fighting for it.
I feel like the Dennis vote is clean.
I’m vibing town on Lucy but there’s some little reasons for doubt.
It's normal for a townie when they have reason to believe wolves think of them as a threat, which can be just felt as a known power town, but after being on two mislim wagons to start you'd think there would be some self-doubt that doc/wolves are prioritizing you.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:12 amBy the way, my point in saying this is not 'the kill target was me'.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 pmI will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.
It's that self-perceiving that you were at risk and that the doc saved you is normal.
But I don't think the answer is obvious. Could be you, could be me, could be someone else. The doc might have saved themselves for all we know.
Would you not say that if wolfchat was guiding someone coming into d2, going after Seanzie at the time of my post would be advised against considering there were multiple people defending him and momentum wasn't towards a Seanzie elim?
Do find it amusing that anyone thinks I'm being coached in general.
- Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:10 am
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- Topic: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Hunting a specific role of the mafia has a low accuracy rate as there's too many variables involved, though mata is suspect for other reasons anyways so not the worst vote.Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:04 amI was saying that because multiple people have said Matahari isn't hunting as active as she normally is and that could be because she got Lawyer. There could be RL reasons but until that's addressed I'm gonna [VOTE: Matahari] aubergineSoneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:44 amDepends on who randed the Lawyer role really. If it's a player who can afford to blend they might be more low key then usual, but a vet player with expectations on them may not change anything.Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:36 amDo you think that would effect how they talk in the thread too? i.e Lawyer doesn't make as many claims as the other two?Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:31 am I'm still reading through parts of the thread but I want to bring forth a thought on the set-up that could certainly have an effect on wolves mindset in this game. I didn't see wolves win condition listed anywhere but assuming it's to reach vote parity, or even just killing all town, then so long as all three members are alive then they win as soon as there are only five town members left due to being able to vote silence two townies each night. At that point town can only tie elim votes, so has no path to winning.
So more than normal wolves will want to ensure all members make it to endgame, and keeping the Lawyer alive is top priority as even with just one other wolf they lower the number needed for vote parity. Bussing is very unlikely, and hard defenses of packmates very likely.
If anyone brought this up before now, then a cookie for them.
- Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:44 am
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Depends on who randed the Lawyer role really. If it's a player who can afford to blend they might be more low key then usual, but a vet player with expectations on them may not change anything.Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:36 amDo you think that would effect how they talk in the thread too? i.e Lawyer doesn't make as many claims as the other two?Soneji wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:31 am I'm still reading through parts of the thread but I want to bring forth a thought on the set-up that could certainly have an effect on wolves mindset in this game. I didn't see wolves win condition listed anywhere but assuming it's to reach vote parity, or even just killing all town, then so long as all three members are alive then they win as soon as there are only five town members left due to being able to vote silence two townies each night. At that point town can only tie elim votes, so has no path to winning.
So more than normal wolves will want to ensure all members make it to endgame, and keeping the Lawyer alive is top priority as even with just one other wolf they lower the number needed for vote parity. Bussing is very unlikely, and hard defenses of packmates very likely.
If anyone brought this up before now, then a cookie for them.
- Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:31 am
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
I'm still reading through parts of the thread but I want to bring forth a thought on the set-up that could certainly have an effect on wolves mindset in this game. I didn't see wolves win condition listed anywhere but assuming it's to reach vote parity, or even just killing all town, then so long as all three members are alive then they win as soon as there are only five town members left due to being able to vote silence two townies each night. At that point town can only tie elim votes, so has no path to winning.
So more than normal wolves will want to ensure all members make it to endgame, and keeping the Lawyer alive is top priority as even with just one other wolf they lower the number needed for vote parity. Bussing is very unlikely, and hard defenses of packmates very likely.
If anyone brought this up before now, then a cookie for them.
So more than normal wolves will want to ensure all members make it to endgame, and keeping the Lawyer alive is top priority as even with just one other wolf they lower the number needed for vote parity. Bussing is very unlikely, and hard defenses of packmates very likely.
If anyone brought this up before now, then a cookie for them.
- Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:18 am
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
No different than normal, as I normally enter later than most regardless.
In the busier part of my work day and sleep deprived, but I'll get to things later tonight. matahari pressure in nice to see, they have the actual wolfiest post I've seen this game with their d1 readslist.
[VOTE: Matahari] aubergine
- Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:46 pm
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
[VOTE:
lucy] aubergine
- Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:45 pm
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Finished sabi ISO, and yeah I think they're one of the towniest players in the game outside the Marmot stuff which was overly aggressive but largely fits with the general brashness they've displayed throughout the game. They were first to call out Seanzie, and they have great progression on that read throughout day one without ignoring the rest of the thread. Still think :
has the most town vibes of any post I've seen this game. Very carefree, not worried about looking bad from the response, not tryharding to come up with some master plan for all scenarios.
- Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:21 pm
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
I am saying that it's more important to ensure that towns top suspect is eliminated over competing wagons, as that usually gives the highest chance of hitting a wolf. Even if that one wagon flips V, then there's still info from how people interacted with them, and with the thread in general on d1. If town is split for a good portion of the day that's another thing and competing wagons aren't bad, but the Wilgy wagon was constructed late based on Wilgy's lack of effort, so not that many worthwhile interactions to parse through versus Seanzie's.
- Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:16 pm
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- Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:14 pm
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
I work a graveyard shift, and I post when it's convenient for me to do so, which is all anyone should have to reallyfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:02 pm I dislike that Sonei is barely here, yet makes appearances at...oh, let's say times of convenience
- Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:12 pm
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]
Regarding the bolded, there are no aforementioned reasons, at least from them or anything quoted by them. They kept saying they would do a reads list, and asked others why Seanzie was a wagon, but had no follow up to either.lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:18 pmwell currently the wagons are sabi/seanzie and I'd be down for a seanzie vote for aforementioned reasonsS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:08 pm Yes. Certainly, or I would not have posted about it multiple times. I felt it was opportunistic. I felt it was a false flag, trying to make a non suspicios thing seem suspicious, trying to focus suspicion on "not us" which is what mafia have to do in a game with no other baddies or third party.
But right now I am here trying to decide if and where I should move my vote, so again, who else would you have me vote for and why?
and you totally didn't read or understand my logic whatsoever
also do you disagree with my logic?
1) poke into the family
2) if I judge there's scum between the 3 they'll easily be able to find them, via best reads on one another
3) if they're all town, then I can confidently clear all 3 and form a townblock
like seriously, when did I ever fucking sus them unnecessarily and what is the scum motive?
Nailing a wolf is priority number one, and making a second competitive wagon just opens the door for the top suspect of the day to be saved, which lucy is advocating here then later joins Wilgy wagon.
Now late in the day they're saying Seanzie is in town meta with no reasoning to back that up and no progression from their earlier post where they said they'd be down for a Seanzie vote(said post was made less than an hour and a half before this one).
What happened to you thinking Seanzie was in his town meta? Or that sabi is town because of Seanzie's push?
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:57 pmseanzie tunneling sabi is town indicative of sabi regardless of seanzie's alignmentSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:41 pm
[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
just for good measure, votin' ya' twice.
lucy keeps contradicting themselves, and focusing on either things that don't really benefit the game much(family dynamics) or on trying to get rid of inactives as it were. Pretty strong wolf read.
- Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:51 pm
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- Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:46 pm
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Probably best to just focus on lucy vs sabi given the time left, will go ISO.
- Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:44 pm
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
I'm here now, passed out earlier then had some stuff to do, but I'll be here until EoD. Thought the site was set to my timezone, so figured I had over two hours left but the site is set to an hour ahead of me so I have less than I thought
- Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:33 am
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
The bold is quite the assumption. If you did anything to improve your standing past your opening, you may not even be a primary suspect, but your defense was part open-wolfing and lots of deflection, and you spent the entire day just on the defense contributing little else to the thread.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:54 am The chances of town!anyone looking at that single early D1 joke post from me and concluding I'm a wolf at this juncture without any regard to anything else is very low.
Couple that with how Soneji spends tons of lip service on Lucy and Mata, but not me. Almost as if Soneji has been told in wolfchat that I'm an easy push today, so Soneji didn't feel the need to actually develop any critical thought about me.
This indicates that likely Soneji and Sabi are partnered because Soneji would only do this lacklustre push on me if they needed to possibly end up on me to save a teammate.
I don't quote everything that is part of my suspicion, if I did my multiquote walls would get enormous, and with you in particular majority of your posts were bad.
I'm not even pushing anyone yet, but you're already freaking out as if I'm going to focus you over lucy/mata/Wilgy voters.
- Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:31 am
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- Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:42 am
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- Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:31 am
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Towniest post in the game, love the brashness.
Got up to EoD1, and the Wilgy wagon is pretty bad. Sean obviously is self-pressing, and Dennis is a newbie sheeping some, whereas lucy's "for wagon" reasoning comes off awful, while SVS and Golden were against Sean most of the day so them not wanting him to be offed makes sense, but that they didn't ever try to make a more solid wagon elsewhere is suspect. Outside of the Wilgy wagon, Falcon going off on a Golden vanity wagon late in the day is a terrible look.
Will be back later for d2 stuff, and combing through the ISOs of Wilgy wagon.
- Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:51 am
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Forgot about posting d1, but I'm catching up now. I'm a slow goer, and do things during downtime at work, so only through post #550 rn before heading out to get some security rounds done.
Current suspects :
Seanzie
Matahari
lucy
sabi to a lesser extent, but I've liked their posting outside of their interactions with Marmot
Rather performative opening just to say you'd be RVS'ing all game.
Pointing the finger of suspicion is rather the point of the game, not sure why you're acting perplexed by someone doing so.(further reading does indicate you're a newbie, so this isn't as weird as originally thought)
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:56 amthoughts on pegging?
lucy being part of the peanut gallery early.
A little grandiose for an "I'm town!" post, but it's Paradise Lost so I'll accept it.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:08 am I'm Town!
Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss
For day 0 which I usually ignore, kind of. The Great Wall of Soneji is where the real shaking off comes in.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:06 pmIs 11 words in 2 posts an effective method for shaking off the rust?
Kneejerk reaction is that this is the wolfiest post in the game so far, especially considering lucy's previous posts all being peanut gallery type discussion. It just sounds ludicrous to be asking how well someone knows their own family for the purposes of this kind of game.
This question has zero relevance to anyone's alignment in this game.
Bad vibe from sabi for immediately jumping on Marmot after shading them continuously for their prior absence during first half of day 1, then trying to shield themselves from suspicion with a weak "my vote isn't on you" response, as if wolves don't throw shade on people they aren't currently voting.
This looks like forced content mixed with a whole lot of fence sitting, given that you gave nothing reads on myself(absent player) and Marmot, and other reads were basically just game recaps with little actual thoughts of your own. The closest to real thoughts here are with sabi who you seem to suspect but don't actually outright point the finger of suspicion at, and with Falcon who you start to sus then back off because you thought you remember it being said it fits their meta(why should you trust sabi's meta on Falcon here, when you seem to sus sabi as well?). The Seanzie "read" is the most amusing to me, since you present their statement as either a risky town statement, or an IDGAF statement, but you never contemplate is as a wolfy statement.Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:45 am i want to post my thoughts so far, while I have a minute. They are definitely not deep thoughts, but how deep can they be on day 1?
New players get a pass, until later in the game. Absent players, as well.
if I don't mention you, its because I have you as town for now.
Falcon45ca- I didn't find it suspicious that you chose someone quickly because with movable votes, it seems like a lot of players throw votes around in a slap-happy fashion. then you were questioned about it, and you promptly posted quotes for why you made your vote. This looked legit to me at the time. Later it occurred to me that maybe you did all that too quickly, Pre-planned? But someone, Sabiplz, I think, said this was normal for your town game.
Soneji posted, I think, but I'll need to go back and look to make sure. ???
Lucy- so far, is reminding me of Dr. Wilgy. Too random to read, and weird posting just annoys me because I don't know what to do with it. I'd like to hear from players who are familiar with them.
Seanzie made a very risky statement for a town player to make. Or just an 'I can't be bothered' statement. Since it was preceded by an 'Ugh', I'm going with the former.
Sabiplz drew attention to his post, then backed away from it, then said she rarely voted early or often, then 17 minutes later she voted for Seanzie. None of this feels right.
Golden got a vote from Falcon, and although Falcon's reasons would not be enough to convince me to vote someone, I thought they were ok for a day 1. However after post 486 ( I think, I'll go back and check later and do an ebwop if necessary), I have Golden as town.
Marmot, no clue. I'd like to hear what other players think of him. ???
Everyone else, I have as probably town. I have no absolutes this early, but I'm watching the players above who pinged me. I'd like to hear what other players think of my not so deep thoughts, please.
Current suspects :
Seanzie
Matahari
lucy
sabi to a lesser extent, but I've liked their posting outside of their interactions with Marmot
- Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:38 am
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- Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:04 am
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [NIGHT 0]
Checking in, shaking off the rust.