The Syndicate

And there we have it. The game has ended. Now we just need to wait for Jay to come back.

Funny that you did it in order to tell me you weren't going to say anything, though

OH haha, I didn't even notice.

At least in a hydra game sockslipping doesn't reveal anything people don't already know.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:55 pm Oops! Almost went the whole game too.

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:49 pm I find Daisy's general non-engagement at lylo to be quite persuasive. I feel as though town Daisy, as busy as she is, would have done something, anything, that would help her convince me she was town, even if it was just a brief check in. I think she'd try.

Agreed.

I find Daisy's general non-engagement at lylo to be quite persuasive. I feel as though town Daisy, as busy as she is, would have done something, anything, that would help her convince me she was town, even if it was just a brief check in. I think she'd try.

Galactic Mac wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:03 am I am sorry for the absence I had a brutally stacked day and it seems Spacedaisy has been occupied and now it's 9pm and I'm ready for bed and I will miss EOD so this is probably it for us unless Daisy comes back.

Every part of me wants to vote for Dry Flood. My tinfoil is raging. The last minute attempt to CFD us at MYLO was the scummiest play in the game. Comes out proclaiming Fratyo as obvtown who then dies. Somehow has been the dominant voice in the game and yet survives every kill to the final three.

But the pinginess of the Colin/Speedchuck Hydra is overwhelming. All about self defense, no attack on Golden, just a whole fuckload of wifom defense and trying to skate by without even excercising a lick of tinfoil?

I'm voting Colin/Speedchuck. Daisy may disagree but that's where I'm left. Sorry I couldn't contribute more to whichever of you are town and sorry if I'm wrong Colin and Speedchuck.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:15 pm How dumb. Well played Mafia guy. Later.

These posts do nothing to move my needle at all.

'Every part of Mac' makes him want to vote me... quite possibly true, while not being town-minded at all. It doesn't say he thinks I'm bad. He says my move was the scummiest thing in the game, and yet it only is doing the exact same thing that's happening a phase later anyway. If bad, there was no real risk to me patiently waiting and doing it anyway. It's one of those things that is easy to say is a 'scummy play', because of it's appearance.

"Proclaims Fratyo as obvtown who then dies". True, but not scummy. Just a nice device with which to frame me.

"Somehow has been the dominant voice in the game yet survives every vote till the final three". Just complete tripe. So, it turns out 99% of the marmot posts on day 1 were actually me roleplaying as marmot, but still I was not dominant on day one or day two. In each case I did try and do a save late... that should be evidence I wasn't controlling anything though. Also, I was defending Galactic Mac all that time. Why would GM kill me? When I started being the dominant player on day three and successfully lynched Cuphead... I came out strong against Colin. Why would GM kill me? This particular statement is utterly disingenuous as it pretends GM didn't have reasons to keep me alive.

And of course, despite all of that... there's a vote for Colin. Because the whole thing is a hope that Colin might tinfoil me, but a recognition that the likely path to survival is to convince me to vote colin. It lacks the indight of someone hunting, and instead demonstrates the mindset of someone who is happy for either of the other two to go, provided it isn't him.

As for that last post.... no suggestion at all that the outcome is wrong. Could be interpreted as a self-clap on the back Of course it would be dumb to lose at this point.

If Colin and Speed are bad, they've done a great number on me. I've had good success reading colin so far and I've caught deepscum speed before too. This game feels different. If it's because they've played together in a sock and it's modified each of their individual approaches, then just well played across the board. I can live with losing to them. There are things there I don't like... I don't feel secure at all... but in the end I feel like it is more tinfoil than reality with them. There's a lot of signs that they are town, even if there's no silver bullet that makes me sure of it.

Anyway, well played everyone. It's fun to make it to three person LYLO and be the swing vote... that hasn't happened in ages. Sorry if I'm wrong, but then if I am, I think without me we still lost at final six anyway. I've done the best I can!

And thank you dunya for your one day effort. It contributed a lot to my final analysis.

Any last words, colinisspeed?

I still have a healthy dose of feeling like it could be colinisspeed, but if it is their victory is earned in the circumstances.

I’m happy with where we are at. I’ll leave the vote where marmot put it back. Busy or not, town daisy would have made some effort to turn up at lylo I believe.

Galactic Mac wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:03 am I am sorry for the absence I had a brutally stacked day and it seems Spacedaisy has been occupied and now it's 9pm and I'm ready for bed and I will miss EOD so this is probably it for us unless Daisy comes back.

Every part of me wants to vote for Dry Flood. My tinfoil is raging. The last minute attempt to CFD us at MYLO was the scummiest play in the game. Comes out proclaiming Fratyo as obvtown who then dies. Somehow has been the dominant voice in the game and yet survives every kill to the final three.

But the pinginess of the Colin/Speedchuck Hydra is overwhelming. All about self defense, no attack on Golden, just a whole fuckload of wifom defense and trying to skate by without even excercising a lick of tinfoil?

I'm voting Colin/Speedchuck. Daisy may disagree but that's where I'm left. Sorry I couldn't contribute more to whichever of you are town and sorry if I'm wrong Colin and Speedchuck.

It isn't self-defense, they were just responding to my questions, which weren't necessarily accusations.

I'm switching our vote back to Galactic Mac. Voting me is a dumb move at this stage.

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:17 pm My one qualm with GMac being mafia, why do they kill fratyo last night?

Frat did spend the first two days trying to lynch GM.

A reason that ColinOnSpeed is mafia: their relative lack of suspicion against Golden lately in the game.

Today is LYLO, and despite having made 15 posts thus far, including several lengthy ones, they've been geared towards answering questions from Golden, and... that's it.

GMac and Colinspeed have an equal number of posts voicing any potential suspicion of Dry Flood.

[VOTE: Golden] aubergine for now while I do a little reading and catchup.

My one qualm with GMac being mafia, why do they kill fratyo last night?

Galactic Mac wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:34 pm I am currently driving, which I’m sure gives away which one of us this is, lol. The wedding was fantastic and proved way busier than I expected so I’m really sorry for being absent, but it really couldn’t be avoided.

And I’ve been battling a migraine since Friday night, so please bear with me. I can’t handle staring at this screen for long.

Can someone summarize the case on Cupguys for me?

Galactic Mac wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:49 pm Dude I’m so out of it here, lol. So the best course is to vote someone we think might be the mafia double voter I get that, how did you settle on Cupguys? I’m sorry for nagging you with questions, but I appreciate not having to go dig to understand what’s happening.

You know what fuck it, I trust you guys know wtf you’re doing and I can’t stand staring at the screen longer.

[VOTE: Cupguys] aubergine

The series of posts from GMac is decent reason to vote this way.

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:36 pm Also, in honour of Marmot, I did flip a coin. It came up Galactic Mac. I wouldn't go with it blindly but it confirmed that my gut feel was already going that way.

You honor me with coinflips? You're an interesting bird.

I plan to get to the bottom of this without using your silly human currency.

Also, in honour of Marmot, I did flip a coin. It came up Galactic Mac. I wouldn't go with it blindly but it confirmed that my gut feel was already going that way.

This doesn't mean you should stop answering my questions colin/speed.

But I find the conflict between your heads to be quite persuasive. I'm trying to figure out whether you would fake different reads and allow that to spill out into the thread as a deliberate tactic to appear more town. My answer is - I think no. There's no evidence you've had any town cred for it, and if anything your vote hopping at the end of day two increases rather than decreases the spotlight on you, which is in stark contrast to C & Ms strategy throughout. I tend to believe your heads would be more likely to have somewhat of a more streamlined opinion if you were bad.

This may be the persuasive thing which pushes me over the edge to voting Mac.

But tbh, it could have just been the Fugitive gif

[VOTE: Galactic Mac] aubergine

This vote remains unless Daisy or Mac engage in a way to convince me they are not bad.

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:22 pm

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:19 pm Similarly, on day 2, you have a Luna vote followed by a Fratyo vote. It's confusing to understand how your different heads were playing out. Can you please describe who had what opinion and what exactly went on at end of day there?

IIRC, speed and I had discussed both Lunatella and Fratyo at this point. I was suspicious of both, speed was suspicious of Lunatella, so I trusted the combination of our feelings and voted for Lunatella. Speed re-evaluated it (I think he was put off by me giving as much credence to his feelings at this point) and decided I should have trusted my gut toward Fratyo and switched the vote.

What role, if any, did putting Luna in a 3-2 vote lead have in that switch?

And someone killed their spouse.

I'm truly 50/50.

Each time I read more or read again, I go back and forth.

If Galactic Mac are bad, the mafia have taken the easy route as a team. Phone it in, get passed over, get loud voices to cannibalize themselves. This is quite viable. From their perspective, the kills wouldn't make so much sense - but that is consistent with disengagement, potentially.

If Colinisspeed is bad, they still fit a traditional baddie archetype. They've kept their options open and killed smartly if it's them. They would make smart kills.

Each has content I like and content I don't like. Right now I feel like I'm flipping a mental coin.

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:05 pm Dry Flood, why is Fratyo town?

Since we are seemingly not in a doublevoter world, is there any reason to vote C&M over Galactic Mac?

linki: hi other head

Sorry to make you do work, but if you're town it will be very helpful.

Can you go from this post through to the end of day 3 and split the posts into which were from speed and which from colin. It's only about 8-10 posts, but this would be very helpful in evaluating your intent in that period.

Similarly, on day 2, you have a Luna vote followed by a Fratyo vote. It's confusing to understand how your different heads were playing out. Can you please describe who had what opinion and what exactly went on at end of day there?

Looking back at 2 dogs night 1.

Damn it was phenomenal. Dunya basically solved the game except, unfortunately, for the question of which of these two are bad. Looking at that stuff she’s so on point that it’s no wonder she was killed. Also TH was there

[mention]macdougall[/mention]

In a relatively disengaged way, you suspected colinisspeed. I’d like to hear about what it was that made you feel that way, and whether you had any specific reads of other socks at the time, regardless of whether you now know those reads were right or wrong.

[mention]galactic Mac[/mention]
[mention]snakedaisy[/mention]

I want a genuine assessment of whether you would have carried out those nightkills in a vacuum, and if not why not, taking into account your levels of activity.

[mention]colinisspeed[/mention] [mention]coliniscool[/mention] [mention]speedchuck[/mention]

I would like to know each of your independent views on developing townreads and using PoE as a method, independent of this game situation.

[mention]jaggedjimmyjay[/mention] is hammer voting in effect?

On the flip side, fratyo were after GM all game.

Oh and the ‘why wouldn’t they keep flood around to finish us off’ is a terrible argument.

I posted 6 minutes before end of night and made sure that neither daisy nor Mac nor Colin nor speed were around before I did it.

In fact, the reverse could be said. I tried to cfd Galactic Mac yesterday. I have no indication my position had changed. Wouldn’t it make sense for colinisspeed to keep me alive rather than GM so I’ll finish GM off?

As much as I endorsed a side before the result came in... I really want to hear from Galactic Mac today.

Legacy post, in case

I’ve swung back and forth on this. I could legitimately go either way. But here’s where I land, finally.

The lunatella kill is the work of colinisspeed. Luna came out with ‘speed is bad’. Then she’s dead.

If speedchuck is actually bad, they really had no choice but to make that kill. There’s no way to avoid it, Luna’s too much of a threat.

From the perspective of an engaged Galactic Mac, you might suggest it could be a deliberate setup. But at mylo, why would they take out such a strong voice against speed as a setup when you have fratyo on the board, the guy who has been pursuing them for an age?

From the point of view of a disengaged Galactic Mac, it makes even less sense - as does the MP1 kill... disengaged teams are even more likely to remove the threat to them.

I found speedand Colin very convincing in their response to me when I came at them. That frustration was real, though... and they’ve had some major scum-leaning tells like ‘if I’m town’ and ‘don’t just suspect me, give me something to defend against’. All in all, colinisspeed just feels like the right vote, and I endorse it.

Mac is still an option

Fratyo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:45 am and why exactly?

Because Colin indicated he thought you were bad. With me seeming likely to die and Colin possibly going a direction I was sure was wrong, my perspective on what was the higher percentage move changed.

Get the tinfoil out of your butt. I’ve townslipped twice and singlehandedly caught cupman for no purpose if I was bad.

You can trust what I say.

Also my vote was 7 minutes before end of day. I don’t know if colinisspeed ever made it around

Mac vote was after the day was over. My vote switch created a tie.

Fratyo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:17 am fact: there's nothing scarier than mafia in final 4 because they can typically be the most active and lean town in their favor, especially with a slow game

The solution... assess now, fix your eyes on a target. Don’t declare that target tonight. Don’t change that decision tomorrow

Truth be told probably the strongest reason I’m town, but entirely internal to who I am rather than demonstrable, is I don’t kill lunatella there after killing both of them in the last game. It would feel too mean. I would have killed fratyo.

Galactic Mac

Pros

Daisy's posts ring of town Daisy to me, for the most part. But maybe not this one:

Galactic Mac wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:10 pm I hope they do kill us, because I’ve been. Total shut with the move and seeing family.

The kills make a little less sense from GM. They still could be, though, quite easily - especially if Daisy wasn't around so much and it was Epi basically making the calls. But I can't see Daisy wanting MP dead on night 2. With them just about to hit the wedding, she'd know MP was absolutely no threat to her in that phase... she could afford to at minimum wait a phase.

Cons

Mac's play has been less than inspiring... it's been essentially non-engagement. This isn't what I'm used to from town Mac.

Daisy's play has been minimal enough in it's contents, that it's probably easy enough to fake her town meta, especially given her busyness is real.

OK, here is what I'd look for specifically:

Colinisspeed:

Pros

Lots of content, genuinely solvey.

Has actually engaged, not missed votes.

His "I can't wait till your proved wrong" smugness feels genuine

His vote on day two, he treated it as meaningful and impactful, despite the fact that all three candidates would be town in a colin!scum world. He didn't try to CFD or hog the action, his votes and move felt real.

Cons

His unwillingness to accept any town reads whatsoever, and desire to keep the pool wide open - the level of tinfoil and paranoia is excessive and feels like it could represent an unwillingness to get stuck with a read that is unhelpful to his goals

Snakey language - like his wording around the cases on day one and three, where he gave himself outs against those cases (and on day three didn't vote that way at all)

Nightkill choices. Day one: 2 Dogs constantly had colin as a bad read, but both cupman and GM as a town read. Dunya was a town force so scary in her own right, but would Galactic Mac really kill them when there was an entire CFD on them that 2 dogs was not a part of at all? It's a very logical kill from a CS perspective. Day 2 - M Plus 1. I'm not convinced Daisy makes this kill, in fact I tend against it. If it's Galactic Mac, Epi and Daisy conspire at the wedding to put a bullet in their travelling companion. It would be humourous, but I'm not sure it's as likely. Notably, MP is one of the few who had expressed at least some suspicion on C&M. Lunatella. Called out speed as bad right before her death.

Neutral

Hard to tell which head is which; but neither of them strike me as especially town. Speed is good at doing this when actually bad. Colin is good at doing this when actually town.

Fratyo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:58 am

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:49 pm Golden is bad, I can't believe you haven't lynched him yet.

I haven’t dismissed this yet.

I’ve got 6 hours to look through three ISOs

It’s time to see what I can bring to the table

Lol you do realise that was literally marmot, right? We are the same character.

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:12 pm If I get time.

I definitely have time.

Golden is bad, I can't believe you haven't lynched him yet.

If I get time.

btw colin, mac, whichever of you is the good one...

If you need any more evidence fratyo is good... He could have put a last minute vote on Galactic Mac and won the game if bad.

Instead he tinfoiled his top town read and made sure it was a no lynch.

Fratyo is absolutely town. Please don't forget this tomorrow.

BTW... if Mac isn't bad...

The killer should take them out. If you don't, you're a coward etc etc

Galactic Mac wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:06 pm Shit did I miss it?

You're just in time to put the kill in