The Syndicate

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Leslie Knope wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Councilwoman was in a rebuttal mode for most of the phase and she has thorough and reasonable at that. Some of the details are not absolving or ones I would describe as satisfactory, but overall I'd say feel better about her after this process.

Knope - up until a few hours ago, there were very little reasons to dissuade from a lead on her, with all the narration shifts on me and April, her speculation game regarding the mafia (April was already more eloquent to point out the nonsense), her deflections and such, if only not for the doubting thought of too much clumsiness in all of this. Plus, until Jerry became first wagon, she let herself in front, which inserts right away the doubt of whether she's not genuine in saying she's town "despite all there is".
Just to recap.

I definitely didn't get the "I'm voting for Councilwoman Knope" out of that.

I thought "Councilwoman" was about Jamm, as in a dig at him. Ron?

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Ron Swanson wrote:So Knope and Barry were at two a piece, Chris deems Larry suspicious, but moves to further tie the two with Jamm?!

Ugh. Chris and Jerry as a team?

Yeah I don't get that either. He could have secured the lynch of a suspect, but instead put us in a 3-way tie. That requires total ignorance of where the tally stands with 2 minutes remaining in the day.

Terrible look.

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Leslie Knope wrote:Let the record show it was April and Ron who waited until the last minute to vote for me.

I'm a confirmed townie.

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2-way tie now with Leslie's self-preservation.

I prefer this tie over a solo Jamm.

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Less than one minute.

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Last-minute people, you're all on notice.

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Chris just voted Jamm. 3-way tie. Ron, it's on you.

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Ron Swanson wrote:April, sell me on Jerry in as few words as time permits anymore. I'm not sold.

Leslie Knope

You gave me 4 minutes

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Andy Dwyer wrote:The only cop around here is ME, BERT MACKLIN

seriously though i wish i were a cop

Is it this?

Because really

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Leslie Knope wrote:
Andy Dwyer wrote:THEORY TIME

leslie has been kidnapped and this is evil imposter leslie who says a lot of words but id ont' think they mean much.
I see what you're trying to pull here, Andy. Other than a couple of very unsubtle hints that you've dropped about being the town cop, all you've really managed to say is that I've said nothing. Your eagerness to attempt to form a bandwagon against me is unsettling, and I don't believe you're the town cop. You couldn't even pass the test. I'm withholding my vote for now, but you're making a strong argument against yourself.

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Leslie Knope wrote:April, I was saying that I didn't buy it. If I had believed it, then obviously I wouldn't have said anything. And Andy wasn't the cop.

What did he say though that you thought looked like a kind-of-cop-claim?

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April Ludgate wrote:I think you're correct that those posts lack relevant content, Andy. I also think Leslie should talk about her weird "hints you've dropped about being the town cop" thing. Even if she really believed you're the cop, Andy, I have no idea why a civ would broadcast that to the thread. One might as well say "hey baddies, this guy might be our cop! please don't kill him!"

Talk about target painting

Leslie, answer this immediately or I will rip your tongue out of your head.

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I think you're correct that those posts lack relevant content, Andy. I also think Leslie should talk about her weird "hints you've dropped about being the town cop" thing. Even if she really believed you're the cop, Andy, I have no idea why a civ would broadcast that to the thread. One might as well say "hey baddies, this guy might be our cop! please don't kill him!"

Talk about target painting

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Ron: you groaned about the thread being dead when you were tied for the lead. Now you're not and you've gone silent. Why?

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Andy Dwyer wrote:i'm not sure i get why people want to go after larry. i mean, he's the WORST but why

If you love me you'll read the reasons people already gave the last couple pages and say what you disagree with.

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Harry Gergich

My vote isn't set in stone. I'm still considering various things. But don't think I care. I don't care.

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My time zones are screwed up. Does this phase end in 15 minutes or over an hour?

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I might have changed my own mind on that point actually. Even if it was a legitimate derp, Jerry was smearing Ben for "helping kill the cop", which is unreasonable regardless. I am considering a Barry lynch. It seems at least better supported than a Tom lynch would be, and I have some reservations about my Leslie suspicion.

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Ben Wyatt wrote:
April Ludgate wrote:
Jerry Gergich wrote:I agree with most of what April has said. She seems like a sweet kid. I will try to do a better job of posting more. I just get so forgetful. Chris would probably be my next suspect after Ben, as he shares the trying too hard vibe and helped kill the cop.
This also looks kind of like a civ slip, when he said Ben helped kill the cop (implying Ben's lynch vote was in part the cause of Craig dying, meaning Jerry forgot who the cop was).

Of course this kind of derp can be faked, but that's not the vibe I get here.
This means as much to me as Jerry freaking out over Ann using the word "interesting."

...

It means absolutely nothing, that's what I'm trying to say.

What do you think happened in that post then?

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Ben Wyatt wrote:
April Ludgate wrote:
Leslie Knope wrote:Off the top of my head, Tom. He's posted twice. Once about frying turkeys and once about voting for Ben. IIRC the post about voting for Ben was based entirely on nothing.
I agree, his vote for Ben was weak. Do you think a mafia team comprised of players like Tom is likely to notice Craig as the cop?
Are we thinking that the mafia knew Craig was the cop? Because I assumed it was a super lucky shot in the dark.

Your assumption is possible. I do think Craig played it a little too transparently though by placing total and immediate trust in me without question. He made me look like either his Night 0 peek or the miller claim that fit perfectly in his setup. I'd have noticed that if I was bad.

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Jerry Gergich wrote:I agree with most of what April has said. She seems like a sweet kid. I will try to do a better job of posting more. I just get so forgetful. Chris would probably be my next suspect after Ben, as he shares the trying too hard vibe and helped kill the cop.

This also looks kind of like a civ slip, when he said Ben helped kill the cop (implying Ben's lynch vote was in part the cause of Craig dying, meaning Jerry forgot who the cop was).

Of course this kind of derp can be faked, but that's not the vibe I get here.

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Tom can never be a civilian read with so little content, but no case against him is going to be easy to sell either. There are two posts. I actually think Garry looks fine right now. His reasoning for arriving at Ben, Ann, and Chris as top leads looks both authentic and rational to me. He used his own sort of process of elimination. I don't really agree with Ben being a great option here though. I could consider Ann or Chris just as I continue to consider Leslie.

Any of the above sounds like a better lynch than Jerry to me, and Tom feels like a lazy lynch. He even feels like a deflection away from the current leaders.

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Leslie Knope wrote:Off the top of my head, Tom. He's posted twice. Once about frying turkeys and once about voting for Ben. IIRC the post about voting for Ben was based entirely on nothing.

I agree, his vote for Ben was weak. Do you think a mafia team comprised of players like Tom is likely to notice Craig as the cop?

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Leslie Knope wrote:I was saying that the mafia would know off the bat if they had a godfather, and they would have a 50/50 shot at guessing whether or not there was a miller. If there were a miller, then there would be no way of definitively proving it or who is was unless the miller died. All we know is that the town cop w/n0 check died and that there's a chance April has been telling the truth. Also, there's a chance she isn't.

Unless I missed something, and please feel free to tell me if I did, only the mafia (and April, if she's not one of them) know for sure which setup we're in. They either have a godfather or a 1 shot vigilante, and they know what roles are in play and which ones aren't. From the information we have, we're either in C or 4.

Vote for me if you want, but we'll just be down another civvie and you're all going to spend the next day pointing fingers at each other.

I admit my reasoning this morning (vis a vis I'm alive therefore I was correct) didn't exactly make sense, but we're running out of time to find suspects.

Which quiet people worry you?

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Also, to say it "makes no sense whatsoever" for me to claim my miller role in my first post as a civ is to discount some pretty obvious stuff. Apart from the setup reduction, why else did I do it?

> It prevents the cop from wasting an ID on me and narrows their pool of possible selections, because he/she already knows I'll show up as mafia whether I really am or not.

> It prevents a giant mess from erupting later in the game if I am ID'd and hadn't already claimed. In that scenario, I am almost certainly mislynched and the cop is exposed for nothing.

Claiming miller in one's first post is very typical. There's a reason I did it.

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Jeremy Jamm wrote:and either way the mafia would come out on top, since there would be a cop in any three possible set ups, narrowed to two if they had the godfather which I believe they do.

All I'm saying is it makes no sense what so ever for April to do what she did

Everything you are saying is objectively wrong. The only thing my miller claim did for the baddies was allow them to narrow the setup to one possibility. It simultaneously allowed town to narrow it down to two possibilities. The baddies went from 2 to 1 (halving the possibilities), and the townies went from 8 to 2 (quartering the possibilities). Both godfather setups feature a cop, and both miller setups feature a cop. No matter how you arrange the roles within the concept you're discussing, the baddies know there's a cop.

Unless the baddies were just lucky on Night 1, they found the cop because of the cop's posts. They didn't find the cop because of me. To smear me for that is suspicious on its own power, and to imply that my miller claim is fake at this point is just plain silly. Even some alternative miller who is afraid of claiming for some reason would still be voicing suspicion of me for being an obvious liar... so that leaves you right now.

Again I ask: are you the miller?

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Jeremy Jamm wrote:
April Ludgate wrote:
Jeremy Jamm wrote:Jeremy Jamm is here! To attempt to catch up,
First off I disagree with anything and everything Knope said,
Second Ron should be lynched for punching me,
Third I want a bigger office.

Expect a few posts throughout the day. I do want to point out April outing herself caused the death of our cop, I wouldn't mind seeing her get lynched in case she is the mafia. Why would a civ do such a thing? Also until our miller flips we don't even know if it is in the set up 100% we also don't know if April is the miller or the godfather do we?
Blaming me for the cop's death is nonsense. This post is awful.
You claimed one of the two town roles the other being the cop with no defensive role, you also pushed to try to figure out the set up we're in. So yeah it kinda is your fault.

No. Nonsense. My miller claim did not expose the cop. The cop's posts are the cop's responsibility. You either don't understand this setup or you are bullshitting.

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Jeremy Jamm wrote:linki: Also kinda unlikely, or you could be the godfather.

If I'm the godfather then someone else is the miller. Are you the miller?

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I don't see any Night 0 peek in Craig's post unless it was me.

It'd be kind of hilarious if his peek was the miller.

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Jeremy Jamm wrote:Jeremy Jamm is here! To attempt to catch up,
First off I disagree with anything and everything Knope said,
Second Ron should be lynched for punching me,
Third I want a bigger office.

Expect a few posts throughout the day. I do want to point out April outing herself caused the death of our cop, I wouldn't mind seeing her get lynched in case she is the mafia. Why would a civ do such a thing? Also until our miller flips we don't even know if it is in the set up 100% we also don't know if April is the miller or the godfather do we?

Blaming me for the cop's death is nonsense. This post is awful.

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Andy Dwyer wrote:is she not justifying why they would make a claim BEFORE yours

she's saying hwy you'd lie

I think I see what you're saying. Sort of.

With Craig's role revealed and my claim it is obvious there's a godfather. That doesn't make sense if I'm lying though.

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Andy Dwyer wrote:
Leslie Knope wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Taking a gamble to guess which of eight setups we're in is not a 50/50 gamble.
They know who the Godfather is, and choosing between 2 options is a 50/50 gamble.
This means leslie knows that there is a godfather.

That came after my claim though?

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Andy Dwyer wrote:hwo does she know the baddies had a godfather to make that 5050 choice

ANDY! I need you to show me where she showed that she knew about a godfather earlier than she was supposed to.

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Andy Dwyer wrote:Leslie just admited she knew the setup was between two options BEFORE april said anythig

Show me this. I see reasons to lynch Leslie, but I don't see a blatant slip. The 50/50 conversation doesn't imply she had early knowledge unless I am reading it incorrectly.

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Leslie Knope wrote:
Ben Wyatt wrote: That's...actually a really good point.

Can anyone else in the thread confirm that they have a role that doesn't fit into either 1 or C?

If no one else can disprove her claim, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, April Ludgate seems both trustworthy and legitimate.
I was looking through Ron's posts so I can gather all of the ones I find suspicious in one place, when I found this.

It appears as though Ben is attempting to get other people to out themselves. It's possible that he was unaware that that was what he was doing, but I think it deserves a second look.

Again I don't think this assertion makes sense under the circumstances if you believe that I am the miller. If Ben is a baddie, then that means he already has the setup narrowed down to two possibilities from the start of the game, and the miller is one of them (meaning my claim confirms the true setup for him). That means he would know that no civilians have roles outside the 1 or C setups, thus implying he couldn't be trying to lure power roleclaims out from people outside the 1 or C setups.

He can still be bad in this scenario, but it'd have to mean he was deliberately asking for claims that he knew didn't exist just for show.

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Leslie's post close to the end of the lynch, once Bill had accumulated a lot of votes:

Leslie Knope wrote:Sorry, busy day preparing for the memorial service.

Let me start by saying that I find it incredibly odd that Bill was lurking the other day. I have also noticed that he hasn't cast a vote yet. I signed in and caught up with every intention of voting for him, but as much as I'd like to see that sick, sick man hang, this doesn't feel right.

She found it "incredibly odd" that Bill was lurking, and separately noticed that he hadn't cast a vote yet. She specifically elected to call him "incredibly odd" for any reason, something that is clearly an accusation. Only after making that accusation did she turn the post in the opposite direction.

Leslie Knope wrote:Now, given Pawnee's anti-Knope history, I'm writing this understanding that it may very well get me killed, either by hanging if I'm wrong. I think Ron and April are colluding. Also, I think Andy's baseless attack against me may indicate that he's the third member of their group. April made her claim and then Ron came out and said that someone else should confirm her story because that's the only way to know for sure. This strikes me as a deception tactic not only to get a civvie to out themselves as having a special role, but also to subtly establish April as a "confirmed" good person. Ron then attempted to do the same thing when he "reasoned" that the bad guys don't have BTSC and tried to establish that as fact as well.

She built an entire Mafia team on Day 1 based on pretty much nothing (Ron, Andy, and I). It was this silly pile of tinfoil with no supporting evidence other than a bunch of speculation which frankly no longer fits the current scenario. She has since said that I look better (of course I do, Craig's flip has essentially confirmed my claim), but she has only doubled down on Ron. Her whole premise was that we're teammates who were colluding to draw roleclaims out of the town power roles, something that no longer makes sense if she trusts me at all. She has molded her "suspicion" of Ron into something completely different now instead of reassessing herself, and she has asserted that she wasn't killed because she was right about him despite saying Craig outed himself. None of these assertions work together; it's a tossed salad of nonsense.

Leslie Knope wrote:Bill is creepy and sex-crazed, but there's no case to be made against him other than the fact that he questioned April's claim. I believe that this vote was intended to be railroaded into coming down between myself and Bill. I stood up for myself, so Bill's the easy choice.

I'm voting for Ron. He's like a father to me, but if there's even a chance April is good, then he and Andy are the best choices.

This looks like fake paranoia meant to keep her vote off of the easy mislynch wagon she had been provided.

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Leslie, you're making no sense. You say Craig outed himself, and then insinuate the baddies left you alive because of your reads.

If Craig outed himself they left you (and everyone) alive because they were killing the cop.

voting Leslie Knope

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Donna Meagle wrote:April, girl i love you, but step off a bit. Donna plays by finding her trust first. Yea, i talk about how i feel about peeps. I don't make cases,, i read them. And make judgments based on said trust.

If your opinion of me is soley based on a weak day 1 vote and the fact that i am not, nor will i ever be a case making player, girl.......do what you gotta do.

I don't care about some stupid case. I just don't know what your reads are, not even your gut reads. As far as I can tell you have no reads.

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Ann, what changed between here:

Ann Perkins wrote:Basically the only reason I'm keeping my vote off April atm. Her lynch does offer valuable information, but a better lynch may present itself.

and here:

Ann Perkins wrote:OK April, because I believe your claim and respect your opinion because of that, I have read back on Ron.

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Andy Dwyer wrote:hi everyone!

ok so, i really don't trust leslie. i think that she was kidnapped and replaced with fake leslie. alsowhere is she?!

Baby show me why you don't trust Leslie.

I'm open to hearing your case though. I know Bert Macklin doesn't make an arrest lightly.

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Donna Meagle wrote:Meagle Thanksgiving was ugly. Lavondrius showed up. WTH? Lavondrius????!!!

April - I know my vote was pretty lame. I tried to address that and also put my fellow lame posters on notice with my post. Meagle is like a fine wine. She hangs in the fringe and gets better with age.

Ron - I can see why you are worried about Ann. You raise very good points. My gut, at the moment, tells me she is ok. But I do see what you are saying.

TommyH - where the hell have you been? #Iamplayingmafia #sileneisnotanoption. #mydevicesloveme #treatyoselfislonlywhenthere'snofriends.

Honestly, I don't buy into the idea that paying close attention = high posting. I think it's easy to
stay quiet and still pay attention. I'm just as worried about our vocal players as our quiet players. And I know I'm a questionable person.

Andy seems singularly focused on the idea of Evil Leslie to the point where I'm curious as to where the role play ends and where the game starts. That said, we have a long day phase and maybe Andy had too much pie at Thanksgiving so he is all sugar high.

Donna, do you have even a single suspect? You've talked about or to five specific players in this post without making an actual read.

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Tom Haverford wrote:I'm about half caught up on what I should and am totes voting Ben.

His style is garbage and he probably is taking it out on others, so lets get him outa here.

I you've explained your vote for Ben, and I still have no idea why you voted for Ben. Get your head in the game, Haverford.

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Ron, I think your points against Ann are good, and I want to hear that nasty creature answer to them.

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The people who have barely posted really need to get in here and change that or we've already lost the game. That might sound dramatic, but it's just the way it is. We can't win if we can't make reads. The only way to reliably get out of a mountainous setup is to eliminate civ reads from the pool of suspects, and that can't happen when people aren't trying to look like civs.

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These Bill votes are gross:

Chris Traeger
Donna Meagle

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People who voted for Bill that aren't dead or me:

Ben Wyatt

Ben Wyatt wrote:I'm gonna toss a vote on Bill. At this point, I can buy into a scenario where he's bad and April's civ more than I can April being bad and him being civ or them both being innocents/baddies.

Ben insinuated a couple times that he felt it was unlikely for Bill and I to both be civs. I don't really know why. That might mean he wanted to set me up today, but only lost his opportunity when Craig's cop flip essentially confirmed me as town. Talk more about that, Ben.

Ann Perkins the dirty wench

Ann Perkins wrote:Thank you very much. This actually laid it out very nicely and raises good points.

Starts off with a Burden of Proof fallacy, and is actually repeated several times. Big sign of a weak argument. While it could be just a day 1 argument, it's also seen as an attempt to participate without actually engaging himself.

I also agree that it seems fairly disingenuous. Forced, even. Largely attempting to discredit.

I can understand the votes on him now.
Let me reread and rethink my vote.

She liked my case against Bill and said she was considering the vote. She didn't state it when she actually did vote. I don't think this looks so bad.

Chris Traeger

Chris Traeger wrote:Silly me, I almost forgot about Bill! He seems to be very preoccupied with you. Which could very much be an attempt to avoid discussion that might stray onto himself or a fellow evil teammate, if it is intentional. It would be nice to hear what he thinks of people other than the fresh breath of air that is April Ludgate. Otherwise I am inclined to put him on a list of suspects. Did that answer your question?

He didn't talk about Bill until I demanded it, and his report was pretty negative. That makes me wonder why he didn't talk about Bill on his own. He ended up voting accordingly. I see some potential for opportunism.

Ron Swanson

Ron Swanson wrote:Since others are mentioning it, I'd like to remind that my "claim" post was precisely in reply to finding Bill's own intervention to be as lax and pointless as yoghurt. I mean seriously, people, how can you screw up milk so bad?

Now prepare yourself, Ann Perkins, because I'm going to write another round up. I'm not doing it to cover all bases, woman, I'm doing to because I can speak my mind however I damn well please.

I also feel Bill is the best choice for today. His tally is getting a bit flooded, but I'm fine with most of the people on it so far. And there's also Perkins, oh well.

Right now, gut on Ann would tell me she's misguided huntress who hasn't seen real prey in her life, but I sense a whiff of tryhard casemaking in her initiatives. Most of it concerns me, but really, I have no stakes in here, I'm saying this from a pragmatic perspective. From her jumpy reaction on my FoS on her, she course corrects into elaborate points. From alledged filler, she switches to my actions being forced or unoriginal. She suspects me for roleplay coating, but says nothing (or has no issue with) the likes of Chris, Craig, John-Romeo, heck even Bobby I reckon, who I'd describe as knee-deep in their RP layer. She suspects me for my "claim" attempt, but I recall her having had the coziest acknowledgement of Bill's own problem. Again, it could be mere imbalance in her chosen leads, but there's also too much error and bias for me not to raise my eyebrow at this.

Leslie has vanished and I am dissapoint.

Andy is still one-sided in what little of substance he has posted and I am dissapoint.

Nobody seems to want to send Jimmy-Rubio back to proper schooling, so what can I do.

Jerry just showed up and nobody is lynching him, so what can I do.

Bill it is.

Ron seemed to lament that other people weren't getting lynched instead, which isn't great since he didn't do much to promote those alternatives himself. He was happy to go with Bill in the end. I think he looks okay at face value but not spectacular.

Donna Meagle

Donna Meagle wrote:As i said before, at this point, I'm inclined to think April is coming from a genuine place.

Ron and Ben are pretty all right in my book too.

Leslie, Ann and Andy seem ok, but I am less convinced of them than the others.

I can see a vote for bill. That guy has that creepy uncle thing going on and that kinda gives me the willies.

I have big giant i dont even knowes about most everyone else.

Donna Meagle wrote:Ok, things are blowing up here faster than Kanye's last breakdown. I'm voting Bill.

Looking forward to hearing more from my fellow quiet players going forward while I work on stepping up my own game.

Meagle out.

She voted for Bill because he's a "creepy uncle that gives her the willies". That's not great.

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It's pretty much all vanilla now since the godfather is effectively useless. 10 vs. 3 in all vanilla is a very difficult road, so we're going to need to cooperate in our hunting effort to have a chance. They have 3 votes on their own that can sway every lynch if we let them.

Let's start with the Bill votes. There's clearly at least one baddie on that easy dogpile. Some votes look worse than others. Help me find them.

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Craig Middlebrooks wrote:Oh my god, April claiming miller? That is so frickin precious. But I'll trust her, and I'll BURN THIS PLACE TO THE GROUND IF YOU LYNCH HER!

I think this post may have tipped them off. Craig trusted me because I fit in his setups. There's a chance the baddies just got super lucky, but I think this is evidence that at least one of them is paying very close attention (which may imply a higher activity level).

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Jerry Gergich wrote:Gosh, you are all so nice. I don't want to lynch any of you.

I feel like I need to take a shower in pig's blood to wash all the niceness off me.

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Ann Perkins wrote:
April Ludgate wrote:
Ann Perkins wrote:Sure, he hasn't done anything exceptionally scummy in the game, but neither has anyone else.
Have you met Bill?
Would be nice if you presented a case against me, so I can see your POV.

I don't think you're bad Ann. Just gross.

I think Bill is bad.

Bill Dexhart wrote:
April Ludgate wrote:
Ann Perkins wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
Ann Perkins wrote:Hullo how's it going friends
Aren't you paying attention, woman? This is the worst day since Charles Mulligan's Steakhouse was shut down. Show some damn respect!
I can't ask how my friends are doing during this tragedy? Interesting...
Don't try to bond with me.

I'm the miller. If the cop investigates me it'll come back mafia even though I'm town. So, cop... don't investigate me. It's a waste. We can eliminate 6 of the 8 setups in the table, it's either [1] or [C]. The baddies know exactly the setup now. I think it's a good enough trade. People can believe me or not I don't really care. I passed up a gay Halloween party to be here. Do you know how much fun gay Halloween parties are?
What do we have to trust you on this info?

Obviously no answer to this question, it's pointless.

Bill Dexhart wrote:Why make the claim when you have no way of proving otherwise? I still think a mafia member is the one most likely to make that claim. Especially given they are the only ones who know what the current setup is.

And a vote for me too? Do I get a gold star if I win this electi...oh wait. This isn't an election.

It doesn't look like he's thinking his accusations through.

Bill Dexhart wrote:
April Ludgate wrote:
Ben Wyatt wrote:Well, now you know that we know that your role claim could easily be faked, you know? The possibility of you being a despicable liar face shouldn't be ignored. It's like in Game of Thrones, when Littlefinger tells Ned Stark that "Distrusting me was the wisest thing you've done since you climbed off your horse."
Don't you have some Star Trek fan fiction to be writing or something?

Bill's response to my claim was weird. He acted like I should be able to support my claim other than just saying it. I wonder how his intestines taste.
It was more a response that you would come out and say it with no other way for you to back your claim up, outside of simply saying that not stating such a claim would be worse in the long run.

I have a big, firm eye on you for that though. Especially since you were willing to vote me so early.

Again it's supposed to matter that I can't back my claim up on Day 1. Of course I can't, nobody can back anything up on Day 1. He took the reason I provided for my claim (the problem that not stating my miller claim does more damage in the long run), threw it aside, and then acted like my vote for him was suspicious.

Bill Dexhart wrote:
April Ludgate wrote:Here I'll make it simple. I'm either the miller, or I'm a baddie who claimed miller to lure out all the power roles at my own sacrifice. Make up your minds on that and move forward.
That's why I'm waiting for others to respond. Because the second is the kind of badass risk I could see several players on this site trying to make.

At the same time, it's also incredibly risky to pull such a move on Day 1, so I would think the first outcome is most likely.

I would just feel better hearing from more people on the matter before I make my mind up.

Then, only after arguments about why my claim being fake would be stupid, did he turn around and say it'd be "incredibly risky to pull such a move on Day 1". He didn't seem to think it was too risky when he was accusing me.

It all looks disingenuous to me.

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