The Syndicate

HA I KNEW IT! FIrst game I was relevant in winning as a civ.

Dixon today.

If you look at the posts of our cop, then yeah you can puzzle out who might be a confirmed civ.

Also how is Hirome confirmed civ? I don't recall the cop saying that?

Charles Mingus wrote:I think it's more likely that whoever killed Vince was doing so in an attempt to make Hiromi an easy mislynch for today. I'm putting my money on John Coltrane being the last baddie since I don't think the development of his opinions over the course of the game feels natural, both the ones I agree and disagree with. But it could also be Fleck still.

looooool, yeah lets lynch the cop cleared player, who the player cleared by silver who conveniently died that night.

Charles Mingus wrote:I will oppose any lynch that isn't Coltrane, Dixon, or Fleck.

Wow This makes me not want to lynch Dixon, are you mafia man? Since I'd expect town to be more observant and not say we should Lycnh two people who could be easily mislynches, espacilly since one is cop cleared. This is a sloppy bandwagon attempt.

Bill Dixon wrote:I'd like to cast my vote for Charles Mingus, seein' as he's a most likely to be th' one draggin' and huffin' and puffin' and toutin'.

Votes for Mingus without mentioning him at all, strange vote but it is just day 1.

Bill Dixon wrote:Mr. Buble, I can't say I'm a fan of your music personally, and I'm not sure I would consider your playin' or singin' to be the genuine expression we here jazz folks hold in regard, but I can say that so far your responses feel real sincere. I'm willin' ta give you the benefit of the doubt time bein'.

So we see some mafia distancing here, you seem like mafia but I'll give ya benefit of the doubt.

Bill Dixon wrote:Interestin' that there's a no-lynch option heah. Mr. Coleman, I know you and I may have slightly... diff'rent thoughts on what is considered "in-tune" but surely ya gotta admit someone was way off in that rehearsal?

First time he mention Coleman, this is the start of his attempt to get our cop lynched.

Bill Dixon wrote:Th' Mafia Godfatha hisself gets taken out on Day 1? Hoo-wee, I seen me many a bad session turn out somethin' lovely but nothin' ever quite so spec-TACulah.

Now, the lovely Miss Holiday (and beg pardon, miss, but you do look jus' gorgeous tonigh') brings up a point Ah'd like to consider. We cut the head offa the snake pretty quickly heah but I'm thinkin' : what if these bad cats saw they boss man wann't long fo' this world and threw him unna the bus, so t' speak, to try'n get off scott free?

Bear with me, heah. I ain't so down with the lingo these kids is speakin' these days. Music the only language I speak, man. But I think I heard some fella callin' it, pardon my lack of creativity heah, these sessions do tend to wear an ol' man out, "bussin'", am I wrong?

I'mma think the first two people who voted to kick out Mr. Buble ah likely t' be playin' the straight n' narrow of it all. I'ma bit more worried here bout the fellas on the end.

Very excited when he wouldn't vote for and didn't even think Buble was worth voting for. Then we see this he gives a brief Yay and then proceeds to start trying to set up bandwagons on the people who VOTED FOR THE GODFATHER THEIR STRONGEST ROLE. This is very suspicious and lynch worthy in itself.

Bill Dixon wrote:Brotha Fats was not deservin' of none such treatment. This is some reeeeal sinistuh activity goin' on. Rest in jazz, brotha Fats.

Who among us heah coulda done such a terribuh thang? Ah'm thinkin' when Ah get back from mah rehearsal, I'mma take a closer look at some of y'all and report back with some thoughts.

I'd like to address Miles with regards to the passin' of that Buble fella: my thoughts were that I warn't a fan o' his character, like he seemed pretty outta place and outta his league. He seemed fairly eager to just fit in an' contribute a few bars, an' I thought maybe I was judgin' 'im too harshly. I'm very much guilty of puttin' a personality to the music, thinkin' erryone got the same sorta mode uh emotional expression us old timers do, not playin' anythin' we don' mean. But I was wrong, and that fella was a rat. He was jus' tryna play along for more nefarious purposes, fit in witha crowd n' trya destroy 'em from th' inside. I was judgin' 'em by 'is music, thinkin' it insincere and maybe chalkin' up differences to diff'rent generations, but it turns out the weasel was just as false as he music.

I done pulled the wool over mine own eyes, so ta speak. I ain't never takin' my eyes off the notes again, and I'mma stick with my gut, tha's for sure.

Some defense for his Buble thoughts, he uses roleplaying as a way to mask his attempts to not vote for his teammate. Not much here besides him wiggling outta a lynch.

Bill Dixon wrote:

Chris Potter wrote:And Bill Dixon, goddamn it man, are you using Jive Speak Translate?

's that a thing? Sho' would make my life easier.

Ornette Coleman wrote:Why are you defending him so vehemently though? It's not like it matters if we accidentally lynch a civ or two.

Ornette Coleman wrote:

Fats Navarro wrote: No Lynch Voters
Coleman - Why are you voting the one thing to help the bad guys?

If you would stoop to participating in a lynch just to avoid helping the bad guys, you are no better than them.

The hell you sayin', Coleman? I'm gettin' some veeeery diff'rent sorta vibes from these posts an' am begginin' to question your intentions.

First you take a position of no-lynch to avoid potentially clappin' a fellow player, now you sayin' it don' matter if a few good guys kick the can?

I don't vibe with this one bit, man.

Another post to set up Coleman.

Bill Dixon wrote:Mr. Coleman, I was hopin' to have a slightly more concrete case to think about in th' wake of th' vote today, but I'm startin' to think yo lookin' a little more worrisome than anyone else here. I think you got my vote now.

Then this, very weak reasoning for a vote, espacilly when we had someone who was very obvious mafia. THIS WAS another attempt to avoid teammate/start a counterwagon.

Bill Dixon wrote:

Vince Guaraldi wrote:Mr. Dixon, I beg you to place your vote on either Tito or Fleck. As it stands, there will be a tie if Tito shows up and tries to save himself. Let's pick sides on these two and see how any vote changing shakes out.

Hrmm. I guess as it stands, my vote for Mr. Coleman don' mean much, huh?

I think I mentioned before I'd rather Tito have a chance to 'splain his position. Don't like how he ain't been here, but I'm feelin' more strongly 'bout the case made against Mr. Fleck-tone. If it's in th' best interest of the band, I'll begrudgin'ly switch to Mr. Fleck.

Well his Coleman wagon doesn't take off, so he switches to Fleck in an attempt to protect Tito his scum buddy. He dislikes Fleck's town no other reason. Notice Silver his main defender was killed this same night after the push on Fleck failed and a mafia member was lynched instead?

quote="Bill Dixon"]Thas' a downrigh' pain in my chest I'm feelin' right now. Rest in peace, lovely Miss Holiday. Señor Puente, shame on you.

Mister Guaraldi, you be makin' some interestin' accusations n'all. Not sure what t'make of all that, as I'm feelin' mostly alright 'bout both Miss Hiromi and Brother Miles. Frankly I weren't too sure 'bout Señor Puente's guilt either, an' frankly I'm thinkin' we got mighty lucky 'bout knockin' another baddie off the drum stool. If Miss Hiromi's good 'n all, which, I ain't no math studies kinda cat, but statistically speakin' I'm thinkin' she is, this coulda gone quite a diff'rent way.

If I can briefly address the concerns about Mr. Buble, I was lettin' my personal feelin's get inna way. I said I wanted t'vote for him 'cuz I didn't like the fella nor his music, plain n' simple. I just felt it was jumpin' the gun to vote for 'im for that reason alone when I didn't have no evidence on his character either way. I ended up votin' for Brother Mingus 'cuz I felt he was rubbin' some folks the wrong way, tryin' a be a provocateur for no good reason.

If I can address somethin' relevant to your point, however, I ain't feelin' too great 'bout Brother Coleman. He flippin' his vote every which way the last part of yesterday, an' he end up votin' on Señor Puente. If I ain't mistaken, he's the reason Señor was kicked out versus Mr. Fleck-tone. I seen him pullin' for a no-vote on Day 1 when he see Mr. Buble was on he way out. I pointed out some inconsistencies in his playin' yesterday, an' my thought is that he tryna distance his self on the first day when he see the godfather knockin' on death's door, an' once he see Señor on his way out too, he thinkin' he put his vote there to get some good boy points wit the band.

I'm thinkin' Brother Coleman was doin' some serious bussin' on his teammate yesterday, 'specially knowin' he could get away with it when his teammate ain' even there to defend himself. I weren't feelin' too great about him earlier, now I ain't feelin' good at all.[/quote]

His only post for day 3 then he just goes AWOL, votes for Coleman since he was bussing his teammate, yet doesn't address his day 1 no lynch which was also suspicious. This is very weak reasoning.

I'm tempted to say we have four mafia members, Hirome and Dixon being the last two. Either way a Dixon lynch is the way to go tomorrow. Two times he avoided and was agaisnt the mafia wagon. He day 2 switched from Colman (the cop) to lynch Blek in an attempt to save his teammate.

Dixon is most likely mafia. He was the other counterwagon day 1 yet neither tito nor bubles voted for or pushed his wagon. Dixon also didn't vote for Buble's AND he didn't vote for tito. TWO times he didn't vote for mafia, and for day 2 actively tried to get Fleck lynched over tito.

The fact he got lynched was stupid. If hirome isn't mafia then whoever, pushed the wagon on him is.

I'm fine with that Rico

Vince Guaraldi wrote:We'll need a few people to help lynch Uehara, seeing as she and I are the last two hold-outs. Fleck said he could go that way but that wouldn't be enough.

Do you really think that two baddies would both take part in a late-day last-ditch hail mary train on another player like that though?

I think if there are only three mafia members, and the player being lynched is the godfather then yes.
Especially since in most cases if you survive day 1 as mafia you're good for a few phases. If Uehara isn't mafia then someone on another wagon is. I doubt it would be the no lyncher since that doesn't help your team in anyway. I believe Bill Dixon was the other wagon, he might be mafia. But, I wouldn't bet my Pulitzer prize on that.

Not seeing the reasoning for a Coleman lynch, I doubt if he was mafia he'd have voted for no lynch option.

I can kind off see the point on Potter, but would rather lynch Uehara today.
I'm not liking Davis, he still has Bela at the bottom of his list, and now Billie his main defender is dead? Nah if Uehara doesn't flip mafia, I'd say we should take a good long look at Davis.

So Billie was killed leaving, Bela Fleck all alone. I can think of two reasons for this.
1. Bela is mafia and killed Billie before she could catch on
2. Mafia killed Billie in an attempt to bandwagon and lynch Bela.

I think two is more likely, I'd rather see Hiromi Uehara dead today, she voted on my wagon day 1 and then voted for Bela day 2, that is twice she was on the opposing counterwagon to a mafia member.

The tito wagon hasn't had any real resistance to it, either the remaining mafia players are inactive or we are voting in the wrong direction. Thoughts?

Also I'm not seeing the case on Fleck, I think he'd have moved his vote off of the GD lynching that role this early would be horribly for the mafia. Not worth the town cred.

linki: Good point, I'll need to think on that.

i'd rather go for Tito Puente today. I believe they are mafia, and they voted me to save their buddy.

My notes are all messed up, Fleck is getting lynched for what reasons?

Look at the gender guide Miles can't be Zebra.

I just saw that Fleck was voted for by Buble, and Fleck was the first person to vote for Buble's. This looks bad for Fleck.

Billie Holiday wrote: Hmm... Buble didn't even try to save himself by voting Coltrane, Coltrane didnt secure his safty by voting Buble.

Teammate interaction?

No Lynch Voters
Coleman - Why are you voting the one thing to help the bad guys?

John Coltrane wrote:
I'll be voting for Fats Navarro

I don't like that he says I'm stifling discussions since I don't want to talk about socks.

So how about you offer something else. So far you have had 4 posts. Post 1 stating that you are here. Post 2 stating you don't wanna talk about socks. Post 3 was a nuh-uh, you. Post 4 was a nuh-uh, you.

Linki - at what point is he going to play pretty notes past the ones I let out? I'd be willin to agree with you if he actually was trying to move past the "bad notes" but apparently that's not the case.

John Coltrane wrote:
Fats Navarro, man there are socks for a reason trying to figure them out is so.......lowwwww class. I'd expect better from a Jazzer. You might just have the Trane's vote today.

Are we NO U'ing now? And you call me low class? How about we lynch the one player who has shown active discussion dismissal?

Coltrane why did you dismiss a subject of discussion?

Who's down to vote this man with me?

OK-Here's all the posts from Navarro's ISO showing his main focus was on Coltrane. Also, Coltrane voted No Lynch on Day 1. I'd say this is our next lynch people.

Coltrane

This makes no sense, as I said I'd have told him to wagon on me or vice verse, I was fine with where my vote was at 5:30ish. When I popped back in right before the deadline I wasn't in the lead so I left my vote on the player I thought to be most likely scum

So you actually bring up the post where I said I was voting for Navarro and that means I'm bad, but you also said I was a no lyncher?
The only other thing you've got agaisnt me is not wanting to discus socks, which I still don't want to do.

You're either mafia trying to find a weak reason for voting me, or you're a confused civ.

Billie Holiday wrote:I'm not trying to direct anything onto you Coltrane, but if pointing out observations is a baddie thing to do go ahead and gun me down. I still think your approach to day 1 was lackluster, but and you not placing a securing vote must've meant that you felt safe with a 1 vote difference. This leads me to believe that you are either really confident, know more than the rest of us, or have a general indifference to the game, and I can't tell which of these 3 is the case. It does bother me however that you think I'm trying to hide my intentions. I thought you were bad earlier, I still have an unsatisfied ping on you, and I have explained both and have been open about both. Is the "You notice" from the fact that you think I'm playing shady, or is it from the fact that you want others to think that I'm playing shady? If you think I'm playing shady, I would like a full explanation and instances on where I have played a low note. I think we should really look into the other two who were voting you. They almost accomplished forming a working counterwagon, while contributing little to nothing.
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Fats Navarro wrote:Thanks for the check Guaraldi, all I did was look at the poll.

I'm not trying to direct anything onto you Coltrane, but if pointing out observations is a baddie thing to do go ahead and gun me down. I still think your approach to day 1 was lackluster, but and you not placing a securing vote must've meant that you felt safe with a 1 vote difference. This leads me to believe that you are either really confident, know more than the rest of us, or have a general indifference to the game, and I can't tell which of these 3 is the case. It does bother me however that you think I'm trying to hide my intentions. I thought you were bad earlier, I still have an unsatisfied ping on you, and I have explained both and have been open about both. Is the "You notice" from the fact that you think I'm playing shady, or is it from the fact that you want others to think that I'm playing shady? If you think I'm playing shady, I would like a full explanation and instances on where I have played a low note. I think we should really look into the other two who were voting you. They almost accomplished forming a working counterwagon, while contributing little to nothing.

Why did you just copy another players post to make your point? This makes no sense. It also makes no sense since at the end of this message he says we should look into the other two who voted for me not me?

linki: Something to do with the Night kill.

Billie Holiday wrote:Oh wait sorry. Coletrain was on Navarro. Still a good lynch for today although I would like to take a look at those on the CW and ISO Buble as well before day ends.

You've got no clue at all do you? If you don't even know if I was a no lyncher or a voter then that shows you really aren't invested in making a case. You're trying to make a fake case to get me lynched plain and simple.

linki: That makes zero sense. And is WIFOM to the extremeeeeeee. Since this one player suspected me, I night killed him? When I was set to lynch him for leading the counter wagon on the mafia.

I think you're the mafia and you're trying to get me lynched. Usually the first player to bring up the NK is mafia and you not only bringing him up, but bringing him up in an attempt to lynch me isn't nice.

Bela Fleck wrote:anyways. i want to purge the counterwagon voters next

You're out of tune man, I was the counterwagon so why you voting for me?

Bela Fleck wrote:also checked his vote, he was the no lynch voter

Who?

Bela Fleck wrote:Wigly was going after navro last before he died. im jsut going with some occam razor on this

Nice night results, I was planning to focus on Navarro today. Looks like I don't need to do that now.

So I see I've got two votes, even though I was the counter wagon to the godfather? So two things if I was also mafia why wouldn't I have distanced voted? Or why didn't I have myself get lynched over him?

Lynching me today makes little to no sense neither does the reasoning Billie uses and I don't see Fleck giving any reasoning?

Vince Guaraldi wrote:Coltrane said he had two votes at 5:59 pm. then he doesn't post until just after the lynch post. At that point, Buble had 3 but Coltrane could have place a survival vote switch onto Buble if he felt threatened. Hard to say there.

Buble posted at 2:00 pm and never came back before the poll closed. As long as he wasn't lurking, he never had a chance to save himself.

Perhaps Coltrane can explain why he left his vote where it was despite being one vote short of tying with Buble.

I meant to come back and change my vote if needed, however it was early enough that I was fine with waiting until closer to the deadline to vote. You notice how Fats is trying to direct tomorrows lynch onto me? Yeah I noticed that to. I was the counter wagon to Buble, nobody had good reasons for voting for me all the votes look suspicious, the last two look even worse since they gave no reasoning for my lynch. Make no mistake if I was on buble's team I'd have told him to vote for me, or have acted scummy enough for everyone else to change their votes to me.

Miles Davis wrote:

John Coltrane wrote:I agree with Fleck here, it makes zero sense to bus the gd day 1 when they could've easily voted for another wagon. Assuming there are only 3 mafia members, they are down to two. The cop can red check both the living players. The mafia has just lost their most important player.

I also think we should look into the player who didn't vote, could be mafia there.

Lots of assumptions here, Trane. You have some sheet music the rest of us aren't aware of?

Not to my knowledge.
Just common sense.

I agree with Fleck here, it makes zero sense to bus the gd day 1 when they could've easily voted for another wagon. Assuming there are only 3 mafia members, they are down to two. The cop can red check both the living players. The mafia has just lost their most important player.

I also think we should look into the player who didn't vote, could be mafia there.

John Coltrane.
Bela Fleck
Chris Potter
Billie Holiday
Charles Mingus

Ornette Coleman -
Bill Dixon

Miles Davis
Vince Guaraldi

Hiromi Uehara[/color
Fats Navarro
Tito Puente

No way would the mafia buss onto their godfather, he is the one player who can't be red checked nah would never happen. The Trane was the cw to the godfather. I'd swear on my Pulitzer Prize that none of the people pushing Michael are mafia. And at least one mafia member voted for me, Fatty is my guess.

First glance looks like Bill isn't on his team. Bela Fleck he might be.

I think the last voter on me is mafia, there is also a chance the other runner up, Bill is mafia as well. I think all four people on Michael/Scotty wagon are civs.

What have you contributed before this post?

You tried to get us to sock hunt which I said we shouldn't do and apparently that was "shutting down discussion" . Then you kept pursuing me.

linki: YAYYYYYY

I'm not feeling these two votes on me.

I don't like Hirome's post.
Day 1 has gone quite slowwww today.

I'll be voting for Fats Navarro

I don't like that he says I'm stifling discussions since I don't want to talk about socks.

Fats Navarro, man there are socks for a reason trying to figure them out is so.......lowwwww class. I'd expect better from a Jazzer. You might just have the Trane's vote today.

Fats Navarro wrote:So, let's get down to business and start sock guessing.

Here's all the players from sign ups:
MetalMarsh
DrWilgy
G-Man
Agleaminranks
A Pærson
Polo
Long Con
Sig

Green being most likely playing to Orange being most likely not playing. I think we should make it our goal to lynch G-Man day 1.

Never heard of such low class jazz players.

John da Trane is here.

The one and only pioneer of modes in jazzzzzzz and the forefront of the free jazz movement.