The Syndicate

And yes I'm aware that it means my civ meta is kind of stupid sometimes (though other times it works).

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:52 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:14 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:10 pm I like Boo

Not sure if he is good or bad, but I like him. He plays the way I do.
Impressed by him am I as well.
To both of you, why and how?

He thinks like my civ meta.

He is aggressive and doesn't seen to care whether people are reading him bad or not. He just picked a target and wants to take her down. He seems to be showing confirmation bias, which is a sign of an error but not of bad alignment.

He saw the cooperation plan as suspicious and trying to find scum among the ones making it.

Mafia tends to have a sense of self-image imo, they don't pick fights that will make them look worse.

I'm not sure if I agree with his posts, but I think he is making them from a civ perspective.

This argument has turned stupid fast.

If neither of you want to prove anything, it is over.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:28 pm To clarify, by "people" you mean Fred and Tony?

Tony was town. Are you saying Fred's vote was questionable?

I'm just stating a feeling I have in the back of my head. I need to actually look at the votes to elaborate further than that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:17 pm I missed a good chunk of yesterday's end of day. Can I get a brief on what the Timmer case was? I'm assuming there wasn't one on Jack.

Made a weird post sort of criticizing people who asked for votes then vanished. Seems to be putting minimal effort. Probably legit busy irl but the combination above made me sus him.

Well thats why I voted not sure about others. I feel there were people riding on my bandwagon for questionable reasons.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:10 pm I personally am not particularly impressed with Boo right now. He's twisting everything into an interpretation that fits his preconceived notion that I must be bad, and he keeps twisting beyond recognition what I have said about what I think baddie motives would do, when I have clearly explained why everything I have done makes total sense with civ motives. I was going to give my votes to Speed or LC anyway since I have been getting strong civ vibes from them; they just decided to make it into some official thing that I'm benefitting from by getting two evo points tonight. I'm happy to agree to that, because I think my role could be a pretty helpful one when it evolves. I have made no explicit promises to stay in their exchange for more than two nights, but I might if I continue to trust them. Boo has been willfully misinterpreting everything I have said on this topic.

That is so me.

I like Boo

Not sure if he is good or bad, but I like him. He plays the way I do.

Hey Gman do you still do those vote analysis thingies?

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:42 am I haven't got a great read on anyone yet. Still trying to familiarise myself with the users/players. Day 1 doesn't really tell you much anyway.

Pm thyme.

Nobody has a great read on anyone, to be fair. Those who say they do might be fooling you. We just try our best.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:01 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:59 pm
Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:58 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.
I've seen the opposite to be true, null town slots always stay around because of these built in arguments.
So you're arguing Epi will just choose not to replace them?
I tend not to talk about mod activity, it's viewed as bad form at other places, so as a policy I try to avoid it and just depend on our ability to solve the game ourselves. But, as a mod, I know how hard it is to find a replacement.

I am too. I've hosted 9 games.

2 replacements is doable.

@Boo

Nah it's just a shark.

Pokemon is a game for all the family.

Also another thing I've forgotten to mention: lurker lynches on d1 are incredibly rare.

People like to lynch people they actually suspect.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:58 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.
I've seen the opposite to be true, null town slots always stay around because of these built in arguments.

So you're arguing Epi will just choose not to replace them?

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm Isn't cute subjective? Is that really considered claiming? Not a lot of experience with no role claim games, so it's a legit question, not a lawyering question.

He literally named the pokemon. It's Gible. It evolves into this cute thing:

My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.

Besides he claimed what is probably the strongest pokemon in town. At least videogame-wise.

Hey guys Tony claimed it. Epi is gonna modkill him but let's not do Epi's job for him. Lynch someone else.

22 minutes left.

Ok what's up with this load of questions? Geez.

The read is as strong as I said it was.

Among the four you listed I'd lynch LC, because the other three I feel good about right now.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:23 pm Or what does a Timmer lynch flip tell you?

Will depend on how he defends himself, who defends him, who attacks him, how they attack him.

There is a whole argument that can sprinkle from a Timmer lynch since he's here to defend himself. And there are people who may have read his posts and read him as town, or want to pretend to read him as town.

With an inactive, there is no argument. We just lynch our inactive of choice, and go home peacefully.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:22 pm Day 1 votes are the most WIFOMy lynches ever usually takes like 3 votes anyway. On top of that no posters probably haven't evolved or won't evolve.

So even if they're town, not only will they screw up EOD, we're gonna spend most of the game underpowered.

Also, DDL, your answer avoided the question. I said who, not theoretically who. Who do you wish to lynch, Boo Wilgy, Jack, or LC, and what do you think theIR flip will tell you in day 2?

I don't know that answer. Would depend on who votes to whom.

Id go with Dom because Ive scumread Mac right once and could do it again, while I dont know the other guy and would like to get to.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:54 pm @all if you had to lynch DDL or JoH which one?

@all if you had to lynch TSP, Dom or Mac which one?

DDL, is JoH on your team?

What a weird question. Trying to make me scumslip or smh?

I don't know.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:09 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:04 pm I think voting for people who didn't even post is a waste. They are likely to get replaced eventually. We learn next to nothing from those lynches.
I kinda disagree.

Mass Effect was partially determined by some weak replacement of townies.

I had a hell of a hard time finding mafia in the last Hybridity game as two of the four mafia members replaced out and basically got to skate for ~4 phases.

With 24 hour phases, is a prompt replacement realistic?

Who's lynch so you think we'd learn the most from at this point? Already knowing my alignment and having not tied any two other players together, a silent lynch tells me roughly the same thing as any other, that is "the alignment of a player."

Of course, there's stuff yet to be learned in the actual choosing of a specific player.
+1. Phenom as well. I think DDL isn't making a distinction between pairing the inactives and getting information.

An inactive lynch is perfectly acceptable, from even just watching champs and the few other places I've played, if you don't really learn a lot from other lynches. If all your choices are low info lynches, lynch the inactive.

DDL if you want us to lynch an non inactive, tell me which lynch you think nets us the most information?

Anybody who is actually posting so the interactions between them and other players actually give us clues.

Well in my forum when the host can't find a replacement they just kill the player.

I reckon this might not happen here.

3 replacements isn't too hard to find though. It is done eventually.

Also I was feeling Boo was town when he posted that. I think mafia wouldn't want to be the first one to barge into a civ consensus and disagree with it.

I think voting for people who didn't even post is a waste. They are likely to get replaced eventually. We learn next to nothing from those lynches.

I missed lynching you people. It feels good to do it again.

If we are not coordinating then not saying whonwe are giving the points to might be the most optimal. Since the number of town PRs is limited.

Thunderdoming.

This is my new favoritest mafia term.

Theres a metal song with that name. Imma post it later.

This game is too civilized. Where is Mac?

Nah. I think youre town.

And I dont think you are saying town arent allowed to disagree, but you seem to be under the impression there is a hard limit on how much Im allowed to bicker with you if I say I agree with your idea. There isnt, Ill bicker with you everytime you say something I think its wrong no matter how much Im willing to cooperate with you.

Btw, the ship of coordinating the second round of evolution votes is about to sail too, in case you haven't noticed.

What is thunderdoming

Im suspish about Timmer. The bit about not voting for people who asked to be voted left me a bad taste, because it's a cliche (town muat be selfless!) that tends to come up in this kind of game. And here, I'd think someone not wanting to be voted would be a sign of bad rather than otherwise, because baddies can just get votes from their team.

That and he also just disappeared until he came to say he had missed the vote, and vanished again. Hes probably legit busy irl which is NAI, but the whole combination leaves me suspicious. Imma vote for him.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:38 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:33 pm

I can't argue against your own perception. Do whatever you want.
So you choose a straw man instead? :-/

What strawman?

Youre saying I look dishonest. I can say nothing but shrug. Ive explained everything I did in this game, if you dont believe it there is nothing I can do.

I can't argue against your own perception. Do whatever you want.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:03 pm
Tink wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:08 pm I will not argue about the evolution thing. I already picked.
Ditto. And I picked someone who is smart, a good thinker, and who I think is most definitely civ.

Yay Game!!!

Linki...and guess who caught the error. Me so smart.

Who is most definitely civ?

Also

3- agreeing with the plan =/= not being allowed to say it out loud when it think the plan has failed for this phase.

@Jack

1- Agreeing with the concept of coordination =/= agreeing that you unilaterally decide who we vote for and we just follow you.

2- Agreeing =/= not asking questions or considering possible problems and just saying "yes sir" the moment you propose it.

I'm not your slave. And there isn't a contract saying that the moment I agree with your original idea I have to follow everything you say without questioning.

If your definition of "scum" is "does not obey you", then go ahead. Put your vote where your mouth is and vote for me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:39 pm @DDL

Do YOU think coordination is a good idea?

Yes

I mean nothing is stopping us from coordinating this phase tbh but it seems half the players are not interested on it.

Isn't this the second round of voting?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:55 pm Neat. I will absolutely not voting for Dizzy. Love u fam.

Currently in the running for my point will be going to either DDL or JoH. You two fight to the death for my affection plz.

What does everyone think about ending day 1 in a tie?
In Epi games, ties result in no lynch. I'm not sure if Simon is a chip off the old block like that. Are you proposing a tie just to see what happens since it's not spelled out in the rules or to try to have a lynchless day?

Really? I've played a bunch of Epi games and never seen a no lynch.

I suppose the whole cordination thing has been flushed down the toilet, since half of the voters did not say who they were voting for.

Did anyone evolve? Or were told they got points (are we even allowed to reveal those things)?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:22 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.
Why do you think my list is arbitrary?
Because you decided it on your own. That's the definition or arbitrary.
Arbitrary - Based on randomness or personal whim.

My list is not arbitrary.

This is the one I found.

subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion:

If you decided by yourself and not by a collective process, it's arbitrary. No matter how rational you claim your method is.

Besides, half the people in your list haven't even posted so I'm skeptical about the rationality of it too.

Dizzy seems to be on everyone's lists so I voted for him.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.
Why do you think my list is arbitrary?

Because you decided it on your own. That's the definition or arbitrary.

I was trying to get us to decide on a list by democracy.

Now we are all forced to follow jack's list. Assuming this coordination thing still has a chance to work.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:17 pm Scumread: DDL

Thanks. Ive been the overwhelming d1 suspect in the last four games I played, it feels weird when Im not.

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