The Syndicate

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:09 pm Can I have a brief summary of what happened? I still don't understand the mechanics of this.

It is kind of confusing. So, my role stated that if I lived to day 6 I could challenge monokuma and end the game. No one but monokuma knew what that actually meant or what that would mean. I lived to day 6 and challenged him.
He wrote out a big long explanation of what would happen if I died and what would happen if he died. He made up whatever he wanted in order to try to persuade people not to kill him. That did not work and they killed him. At that point in the show, my character restores hope to all the students and they all are free to leave. The game reflects that sentiment so all the students got to win the game aside from the first recruit.

Just out of curiosity, in the videogame (I'm saying videogame because the show is the adaptation):

That said, I changed my Yes to Maybe because of this game, and now this game is already over, so I think I'll PROBABLY be able to play it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:46 pm I need more players who are Champions like yourselves, to play in the 2019 Champions Game. @Okosan @Turnip Head @tedxtr @Trustworthy Liberal , I'm talking to YOU!

The Powers That Be have granted us an option: cash in this win for entry to Crisis on The Syndicate, and you simply have to win one more game in 2020 to earn entry to next year's Champs game. Whaddya say?

I have school starting monday so I'm taking this very slowly and steady. Not saying I can't since start of semester tends to be easy enough, but I'd rather get the feel of it first.

Maybe tag me when it's about to start.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:28 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:38 am Welp, I tried.

Thanks for the game, sprityo!

A heroic effort. On paper, I thought Monokuma would get roflvoted by the whole town when the bargain started but you convinced two players.

Thanks!

I think sprit forgot too, since he stopped posting new locations

Probably would have bothered more if there were items or maybe evidence to find. Like, since this is danganronpa, spread evidence in some rooms that players can find which give them info for whoever finds it first. Similar to the World Apart games.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:47 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:54 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:51 pm I'm pretty sure I sent one message to LC.

Yes: "Sure thing. How is it going?"

Then you mentioned having a plan and I replied with this:

My chances of winning are lower than they were before (since I can't vote), but I think I'll refrain from revealing more details to opportunistic townies if I can.

If you want to be recruited feel free to reveal your role. I can promise I won't soup kill you if I like your plan or the idea of it, but I can't make you 100% trust me. That said, I love crazy and fun plays.

Awwwwww..... I never received that one.

[mention]sprityo[/mention]

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:54 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:51 pm I'm pretty sure I sent one message to LC.

Yes: "Sure thing. How is it going?"

Then you mentioned having a plan and I replied with this:

My chances of winning are lower than they were before (since I can't vote), but I think I'll refrain from revealing more details to opportunistic townies if I can.

If you want to be recruited feel free to reveal your role. I can promise I won't soup kill you if I like your plan or the idea of it, but I can't make you 100% trust me. That said, I love crazy and fun plays.

I'm pretty sure I sent one message to LC.

I mean if you go by DR3,

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:50 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:22 am Overall I hope the aspect of-

What is good for yourself /versus/ what is good overall was recognized.

in the end Hope in finding the mafia and finishing the job beat out ending the game to win.

This is the idea that underpinned the game for us as hosts - it really was a social experiment, and we went into this to see if this kind of spin was something players are receptive to. We were (and are, I guess) fully prepared for this to be a trainwreck. Whatever you thought of it, I hope it helps inspire your next mafia game design - I wanna play unique stuff!

There was a game where I was cult leader and I decided to reveal myself to make an alliance with town to take down the mafia.

They refused to even talk to me, and gladly lynched me knowing that would make the mafia win.

Town seems to love taking character over winning. Not that I entirely disagree with it, but it's curious how this game seems to bring such herosim from people.

Btw, he reason I thought red was Makoto is that he made a post in day 0 that implied he knew the bargain would happen at some point.

It seems he just got lucky and I saw something that wasn't here.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:46 am Why did I win but Rej lost? We were both recruited

My role explicitely said "everyone except Monokuma and "Junko""

So there was no threat of fucking over everyone if you had lynched Makoto. You guys would still have won. It was the opposite, I was hiding the real gold that you would get by lynching me instead.

The point here is that I was the only player who knew the terms of the deal, and Makoto didn't, so I could color it any way I wanted. But the big disadvantage is that, as many have pointed out, I am the confirmed anti-town indie trying to get everyone to lynch the confirmed townie instead. And this seldom works.

In my years of mafia experience, I've noticed townies never side with anti-town in such situations, they get competitive and responsible and lynch the scum instead. Maybe people would be more pragmatic if this happened in real life, but in a game, people want to be the good guys. So when I first read my role PM I knew I had a very difficult task ahead of me.

So I decided to employ some psychological manipulation. The first part was making it look like you would have to continue playing the game if I was lynched, and likely dir in the proccess. The second part was what people call Prisoner's Dillema. I came up with that bit about only people who voted for Makoto surviving, in order to make you paranoid about each other and afraid of taking risks.

Unfortunately for me, the town spirit beat pragmatism in the end. Well then, I have no complaints about balance, I think sprit did a superb job. So have a good weekend, everyone.

If anyone is curious, this was my role:

sprityo wrote:Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:19 pm Independent:
Monokuma - Headmaster of Hope's Peak Academy
Pick a role each night to “overcome with despair”. The role picked loses their win con and can only win if they kill another player and survive until the end of the game. Each Night You may submit a Text Post to the Host to be read upon day start. Knows ALL game Secrets and Roles. Has a Soup Kill. Cannot be Killed, cannot Vote. Monokuma is not allowed to discuss any role or secret knowledge in thread. Monokuma is targetable by all actions unless stated otherwise. Monokuma can private message any player and any player can pm Monokuma.

*Secrets* (Your true identity is Junko Enoshima - Ultimate Despair.) If you die, or are lynched before Day 6 you reveal as Monokuma and do not die. All players that voted to lynch you have -1 vote power the next day to a max of zero power.

You win the game once there is either only two other players in the game or you Lynch Makoto after Day 6 in the Ultimate Bargain. Night 1 you are forced to recruit Junko Enoshima (Mukuro Ikusaba). You can recruit up to 3 total mafia members.

-Can for-go recruitment to instead learn a who a player visited.

Ultimate Bargain: If Makoto Naegi is alive by day 6 he may issue a challenge to you to end the game. Everyone else must vote to either lynch Makoto or you. If you are lynched, the game ends and all players minus yourself and Mukuro win. If Makoto is lynched you and the living players win. Makoto will have no knowledge other than he can issue the challenge. It is your job to convince everyone to lynch him instead.

Welp, I tried.

Thanks for the game, sprityo!

Damn

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:33 pm I'm probably the last true townie here, which would be just my luck tbh.

How do you even believe the game reached Day 5 if there are 5 mafiosos?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:29 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:27 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:24 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:23 pm Why in any world should I believe you here?

Well, it seems mafia is buying it. They are watching in silence while you help them bury me.

Well who do you think mafia is then

Dunno. I've been barely keeping up much less scumhunting.

I'd say LC went awfully silent and feels suspicious, and I don't get what is keeping TL from talking, so it could be them.

Might be Ted or TSP too. Like I said, I don't know if mafia is being rational or not.

I kind of like bird's tone but I've been wrong about him before.

And I think you are town too. You are tinfoiling like crazy.

Walk me through how I'm tinfoiling?

I think I'm being rather logical given I need to stay alive and I don't believe you.

In a spam of one hour I had to shut you down on theories about I sending a soup on ted on purpose and I being mafia.

You are basically a machine gun of random theories right now.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:27 pm And no you've tried to Soup us according to you twice now, you've also been recruiting mafia members.

You're anti town. Sorry

I tried to soup the roles that were specifically programmed to kill me. Not my fault. Makoto is trying to kill me as we speak.

And the conversion is also necessary for my wincon. Doesn't mean I need them to kill town.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:24 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:23 pm Why in any world should I believe you here?

Well, it seems mafia is buying it. They are watching in silence while you help them bury me.

Well who do you think mafia is then

Dunno. I've been barely keeping up much less scumhunting.

I'd say LC went awfully silent and feels suspicious, and I don't get what is keeping TL from talking, so it could be them.

Might be Ted or TSP too. Like I said, I don't know if mafia is being rational or not.

I kind of like bird's tone but I've been wrong about him before.

And I think you are town too. You are tinfoiling like crazy.

Admit it, you tried to lynch the survivor role in day 2 and now you are acting like you got mafia while the real mafia is laughing at you in the sides.

And now you are trying to lynch the survivor again. Hint: that only puts you closer to defeat.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:23 pm Why in any world should I believe you here?

Well, it seems mafia is buying it. They are watching in silence while you help them bury me.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:20 pm So the answer is yes anti-town

No, that's not written anywhere.

Independent means independent. Could side with anyone.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:16 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:14 pm Okay so Ted may not be mafia, that changes nothing for today though, just means we need to scum hunt again tomorrow based off the TH lynch and to a degree today.

It means it's more likely mafia is lynching me along with you.

Why is that?

There's no reason for mafia to want to kill you, when you recruited them and are a more pro-mafia faction.

Ik if I was mafia I'd want to leave you alive.

Let's put things into perspective:

I'm trying to convince you to take an easy win instead of going to war against mafia, a war you'll likely lose, and you are saying no.

What makes you think mafia is going to be the pragmatic side here? What if they just want to taste the joy of crushing town? They can probably smell it already.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:17 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:14 pm @Trustworthy Liberal , I can 110% insure you that town won't come out ahead with a Sab lynch and needs to lynch DDL.

No you can't.

You don't know anything about my role.

Okay Boomer.

You don't know I'm a 3P despite it being the first word in the role list in the first page.

Why don't you just go and read it instead of making repettive internet jokes?

But whether I'm anti-town or not is not written in the first page.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:16 pm Lets assume DDL is right about being 3P.

You don't need to assume it, it's written by the host in the first page.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:10 pm Independent:

Monokuma - Headmaster of Hope's Peak Academy
Pick a role each night to “overcome with despair”. The role picked loses their win con and can only win if they kill another player and survive until the end of the game. Each Night You may submit a Text Post to the Host to be read upon day start. Knows ALL game Secrets and Roles. Has a Soup Kill. Cannot be Killed, cannot Vote if found. Monokuma is not allowed to discuss any role or secret knowledge in thread. Monokuma is targetable by all actions unless stated otherwise. Monokuma can private message any player and any player can privately message Monokuma. *Secrets*

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:14 pm @Trustworthy Liberal , I can 110% insure you that town won't come out ahead with a Sab lynch and needs to lynch DDL.

No you can't.

You don't know anything about my role.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:14 pm Okay so Ted may not be mafia, that changes nothing for today though, just means we need to scum hunt again tomorrow based off the TH lynch and to a degree today.

It means it's more likely mafia is lynching me along with you.

Why is that?

[mention]sig[/mention]

In fact, I did sent a second soup kill. I tried to hit sabie as Kyoko. Alas, it wasn't even attempted.

[mention]sprityo[/mention] if Monokuma tried to soup multiple people and the first one failed, would you show only the first shot or all of them?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:06 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:04 pm Also @sig , I know you like to tinfoil, so hear me out.

You say I am the red flip, but I am not. I am the fucking 3P. My wincon is not the same as the mafia. But the mafia is alive and... how can you be sure they are not just voting to lynch me along with you? As ted pointed out, continuing the game could benefit them, if they are already close to winning. Aren't you letting the real mafia play you?

No no no see my tinfoil is ted is mafia who you souped on purpose

I know for a fact you have to go.

What if I souped more than one person and the host just showed the first one because since it failed the next ones are not even attempted.

I mean, I can win with civilians. The mafia can, too, but only as long as it's with me.

But what you can be sure if, because this is what every single game is about, is that you can't win with mafia. If I die, it's going to be war out there.

Also [mention]sig[/mention] , I know you like to tinfoil, so hear me out.

You say I am the red flip, but I am not. I am the fucking 3P. My wincon is not the same as the mafia. But the mafia is alive and... how can you be sure they are not just voting to lynch me along with you? As ted pointed out, continuing the game could benefit them, if they are already close to winning. Aren't you letting the real mafia play you?

I don't deny that I have no way to prove anything that I say.

But if you want to go by the anime, Junko/Monokuma was never allowed to kill everyone during the game. Not even when she made the bargain. The entire game was meant to prove a point about despair being better than hope, slaughtering everyone would not prove that.

What my character wants is to prove that, when given the chance to play and win the game (what Sloonei wants you to do), you take the free win and the place in next year's GoC. You could say you don't need that help, but... are you sure of it? Only 5 players left tomorrow, and we only had one confirmed baddie lynch.

I'm 100% sure it ends.

I mean Makoto is the main and everything. Ultimate Hope.

If he dies you all join the dark side.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:29 pm Call me Ahab, motherfucker.

Didn't Ahab lose or something?

I've never read that book.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:22 pm You are not lying. You are grasping desperately on to lies because you believe it's your only chance. Well, it's not OUR only chance.

Think about it, most civvies are dead. They aren't winning.

How many more need to lose the game so you can satisfy your desire to lynch scum?

I dunno...

Byakuya
Kyoko
Mondo

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:11 pm DDL, what role do you think I am?

Choose 3

I have no idea. If you are not Makoto I might as well pick at random.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:07 pm DDL i sent you a PM on like Day 3 saying hi and you didn’t reply back

Tempted to vote sabie for your bad manners

That was right after you folks used PM ninjutsu to lynch me.

I didn't feel like taking more unnecessary risks.

Never mind I thought you were Makoto aka.my.worst enemy.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:05 pm What if Monokuma is just depressed? If we vote Naegi, we can all become friends with Monokuma and he’ll make us poofy bear suits and we drink tea and have fun.

Well I'll give you that Junko's portrayal in the games/anime definitely seemed like a portrayal of depression.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:04 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:04 pm You guys are taking me for having way more power than I actually do.

The only power I am assuming is the power to say whatever you like in the Gossip Post and in the thread.

Then what makes you assume I can just kill everyone if you lynch Makoto?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:00 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:55 pm Let't put this way: if you people actually did lynch Junko (whose name is not actually Junko, Junko is me), how would I learn that?

LOLOLOLOLOL are you kidding me, you have open BTSC with anyone in the game. Suuuuuure, not-Junko who was bad from the start never hooked up with you. Right. I believe it so hard.

It's funny because you sent me a message a couple days ago proposing some "plan" of yours and you refused me to tell your role so I don't even know if you are good or bad.

So now you are here telling me I have "open BTSC" while ignoring (or pretending to ignore) the fact that I still don't learn whose roles are which. You coule be Junko and I wouldn't know it.

You guys are taking me for having way more power than I actually do.

Like Monokuma isn't allowed to kill everyone off, damn guys. Not even in the games he can do that. The choices he gives in the last chapter both have advantages and disadvantages.

The kids choose to lynch Monokuma in the end, but you can't really say they only got upsides from that decision. Because they have to keep fighting afterwards.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:58 pm "Hey guys, remember that time that an outed baddie gossip role straight-up convinced the whole thread that they had to vote an outed Town role to win?"

Yeah... that's a memory I really want to be a part of.

Well I promise you your face will be intact from this whole situation.

Let't put this way: if you people actually did lynch Junko (whose name is not actually Junko, Junko is me), how would I learn that?