The Syndicate

Golden wrote:I'm also glad I did not tunnel on you Missing. In fact I did a remarkably good job of not tunnelling on anyone for once (civ or bad). That's rare.

Golden wrote:I still tend to think, though, that my 'filler' may have contributed to Missing Person linking me to LC, despite him wanting to claim the thing was useless. (Which is funny. Cos personally, I think that catching something going down like that is EXACTLY why that post is not useless.)

Roxy wrote:Ricochet - I was looking forward to playing with you and you seem to be playing around with this game. Why waste posts in a game where you only get 4 of them?

Metalnewtboy - you have 4 posts no more why would you (in what seemed) purposely post over that amount and give yourself a vote? Something about doing that twitches my nose and it makes me want to vote you.

LC - whats up with your answer to llama - it was also something else that twitched my nose.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Since you only get "4" posts, why would you not cram everything you can into one post? I think accusing players of doing so in this game won't hold any water.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:So you'd rather lynch yourself then risk lynching Golden?

Long Con wrote:Missing Person, could you explain what +Insightful means? I'm not familiar with that.

I take it that it was accusatory. Is it shorthand that is meant to identify when Mafia add insight to the thread to try and seem Civ?

Long Con wrote:Indeed, a time-honoured tradition for the bold and evil. I'm not doing that though; I am a Civilian.

Golden wrote:You know what Missing Person? Nope.

Listen to those who know me. You want to contribute to scum reads, your best place to start is to listen. I got lynched in Economics because newbies wanted me to give a read on every single player and others latched on to it. They claimed I was observing the game, but not being part of it. Newsflash: it's not the way I play. I'm not giving someone a town read or a mafia read when I have no opinion at all. I don't play these dumb games of gut reads, they are completely meaningless. You think I couldn't game that system if I was bad? Anyone could. I've never seen anyone reliably catch mafia that way.

Right now, I have no read on 90% of players. I've given you my read. I think Rico and Hedge could be teamies, and I think Hedge used her vote as a pre-emptive strike. I solve the game my way, no-one elses. And if you don't like that this makes me civ, I'll say again, go read day one of economics. I don't have anything to prove to you, you have something to prove to everyone else. If you aren't willing to listen to those who know me best, and if you aren't willing to do the time to see if this correlates with my civilian game when you don't know the first thing about me, then it is YOU who isn't trying to solve this thing. Do you want to take on board the references I've made? Want to fact check? Nah, you still just want to say I'm not contributing. Get real. I've given my genuine reads, which is more than what well over half of the people in this game have done.

Your count doesn't need to be right, because I'm POSTING THE NUMBER OF POSTS EVERY TIME and I posted big green x's in my last post, so whats all this with 'if my count is right'?

If I get lynched today on the back of people who don't me and think they are all that, well the worst that can happen is exactly what happened in economics. People learn to know me better. If it stops you reading me as scum next time, all the better. In the mean time, I'll say it again. Listen to those who know me. Because if you think that long list gives you any sense of my alignment one way or the other, you are only fooling yourself.

It's incredibly tiresome for me to have to fight the same argument about my play style every game. It's not hard. Go read economics mafia. If you aren't willing to do the time, don't claim it's my mafia game. End of story.

I'd honestly vote Missing Person, except I think Rico is the best bet. I just honestly can't be bothered with this kind of attitude, like I need to play someone else's game to be civ. Like I have something to prove to someone who doesn't know me on day one. What a daft concept.

Grrr... I have to vote before I go to bed. I won't be around at 3am for end of poll. I'd probably vote in self defence again, but obviously that won't be happening....

Ps TH, I would have said you should have self voted. Revenge and all of that.

I'll vote Missing Person. Consider it a warning vote. If I die, you will see I am civ and know for our future battles - I am not taking any prisoners. If someone wants to force me to play their way, I do not believe they have my best interests at heart.

I still think Rico/Hedge could be good bets, though, but Missing Person's idea that I should need to play his way to prove I'm civ is much more pingworthy for me.

Done.

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Long Con wrote:I understand the disparity between our two views now, Missing Person. You have reading comprehension issues. I'm sorry, I didn't realize. I'll explain what I said before, and I'll use a minimum of subtext and tongue-in-cheek phraseology.

Long Con wrote:I did not commend Golden as towny for being helpful. I said "How do you lynch someone who is being so goshdarned helpful? That Golden sure knows how to pack everything but the cheese omelette into his post." What you are supposed to be able to read in that is a level of slight sarcasm and loosely-veiled accusatory tone. I thought the 'goshdarned' would be a giveaway, slightly patronizing.

Long Con wrote:I can forgive the misread of my Golden part because I understand that some people don't get subtlety,

Long Con wrote: but this one looks like a much more intentional misread of what I said. It's pretty clear that I think DH is bullshitting for some time or cred by saying he has some "ideas on how to catch Mafia" in this game, without actually saying any more. If that were true, then the Mafia would be smart to kill him before he gives his big ideas... so that would make it not smart of him to tell everyone that he's got those big ideas. But he did. He did because he's not afraid of being nightkilled. And there's only 3 players in the game that don't have to fear a nightkill.

Long Con wrote:WTF is "Mafia in-thread communications"? Are you assuming the Mafia doesn't have BTSC, Missing Person? I've never seen that accusation before.

Long Con wrote:... and this site does have Multiquote capabilities. When Replying, simply click "Quote" from the Topic Review below, and that post will slam on up into your reply within Quote tags. Not the most ideal multiquote, but it's better than nothing.

Long Con wrote:

Missing Person wrote:This:

Long Con wrote:How do you lynch someone who is being so goshdarned helpful? That Golden sure knows how to pack everything but the cheese omelette into his post. This Day 1 is probably going to end up with Rico lynched for being anti-helpful; I don't think it is a wise strategy to use in this game. Assuming he wants to live, I would say the strategy is to say nothing that could be construed as specifically suspicious, and hope that people will jump on someone else's post that contains content they don't like.

Followed by this:

Long Con wrote:Very little evidence indeed. So, you've got some big ideas of how to catch Mafia, eh? But wait, what if the baddies kill you for saying that? Aren't you - - worried about that?

Vote registered for DH

FOLLOWED BY THIS:

Long Con wrote:I think it's a bad idea. I think that puts you only just above Rico in the eyes of the rest of the players. We want info, and we want input. I doubt you want to be seen as someone opposed to those goals.

Is making me waffle on LC right now. More flip flopping than Mitt Romney in this post.

Might be inclined to vote ika or LC this phase. If LC flipped scum, I'd be most happy to lynch ika for max spewage.

There's no flip-flopping in my post. I don't understand what you think you're seeing. I just wanted to get a lot of my current thoughts into one post due to the posting restriction. Sorry if you don't feel that the thoughts are all aligned, but they're not. It's just my different thoughts on different people.

Golden wrote:

Golden wrote:Hedgeowl - never played with Hedge

Missing Person - never played with this MP

Neither of you have ever played with me. So possibly this is just something that looks objectively odd to people who don't know me. Despite that, though, those who actually know me and have commented on that post so far, have you seen any of them suggest that it doesn't look like civ Golden???

Long Con wrote:How do you lynch someone who is being so goshdarned helpful? That Golden sure knows how to pack everything but the cheese omelette into his post. This Day 1 is probably going to end up with Rico lynched for being anti-helpful; I don't think it is a wise strategy to use in this game. Assuming he wants to live, I would say the strategy is to say nothing that could be construed as specifically suspicious, and hope that people will jump on someone else's post that contains content they don't like.

Long Con wrote:Very little evidence indeed. So, you've got some big ideas of how to catch Mafia, eh? But wait, what if the baddies kill you for saying that? Aren't you - - worried about that?

Vote registered for DH

Long Con wrote:I think it's a bad idea. I think that puts you only just above Rico in the eyes of the rest of the players. We want info, and we want input. I doubt you want to be seen as someone opposed to those goals.

thellama73 wrote:Yay game!

Same question to every player: are you bad?

Also, is this a waste of 1/4 of my posts?

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Long Con wrote:Are we allowed to hint at whether we are male or female roles?

Perhaps we could make votes changeable ourselves, by bolding a vote in the thread. This bold vote represents what our eventual vote will end up being. Like this:

Vote registered for fingersplints

ika wrote:Is it a bad idea that i jsut want to make post like these and not give any imput?

(yes this is my first legit post, my second/third might be more insigtful but expect nothign form last)

Golden wrote:I don't support or encourage MM's theory of the game. Sure, you may well be able to use that strategy, but it doesn't seem in the spirit of the game, it seems sort of like an exploit. (Although it is completely an MM thing to do to let himself die for those purposes.)

More importantly, though, I have no proof that a mafia couldn't have some kind of lynch switch or lynch immunity, and I'm not inclined to trust 'racking up votes on myself' as a good strategy.

I really encourage those who haven't posted yet to start posting. I don't know what inspired me to do this - perhaps all the meta talk in economics mafia, perhaps it's just because with only 4 posts I have some psychotic need to feel like each one has a genuine purpose. But I thought I'd post a brief synopsis of how well I know each player and my perceptions of how loud or quiet they are when they have no posting restrictions. I'll grade my perception of their posting habits in 5 groups - low, low/moderate, moderate, moderate/high, and high. Also giving some idea of how well I feel I've got to grips with their style.

DharmaHelper - I've played with DH a decent handful of times and hosted him. I would say he is a moderate/high poster, who is willing to be analytical in the thread. I feel like I have a reasonable grip on his style.

DREAM - I've played with Dream a couple of time back on RM, but I don't recall a lot and never had much of a read on her. I'd call her low/moderate from my memory.

Elohcin - I've played with Elo a few times now on the Syndicate. I'd call her a moderate poster. I really haven't figured her out yet, not one bit. I have found that I tend to always think she is bad early on.

fingersplints - Few people that I've played more often with. I'd say splints is low/moderate posting. I feel I have a good grip on splints style, although that doesn't necessarily translate to good reads.

Golden - I can't recall a game I've played that he missed. Obviously, high high poster. Dunno how he will handle this game.

Hedgeowl - never played with Hedge

ika - never played with Ika

Long Con - I've played with this FEB plenty. I think he is the only one playing that I've had mafia btsc with. I'd call LC a moderate/high poster, but I think his posting level depends on his engagement in the game. I think LC is very good at making little adjustments depending on how the thread is going. LC is someone whose style I feel like I have a good grip on, but he is very good at appearing civilian when he is not.

MetalMarsh89 - I've only played with MM a few times. I already feel I understand his style completely. It's also already fairly clear that MM is a strong candidate for most likely to blow his 4 post limit. HIGH poster! I haven't seen MMs baddie game yet, but from what others say I'm anticipating it will be hard to distinguish.

Missing Person - never played with this MP. Apparently a high poster from what I read in sign up thread.

MovingPictures07 - played a reasonable amount with this MP. High poster. Looking forward to seeing if he can pull off an emotional outburst in four posts think I have a pretty good understanding of this MPs style and a decent read on him.

Neverwhere - played with Neverwhere once (her only other game). Moderate high poster. She was mafia last time, and went the whole game without being called out. I expect that she could be an FEB but obviously one game is not enough for a read.

Ricochet - never played with Rico. Watched him a little in... Death Note? Impression was he is a moderate poster.

Roxy - Along with splints, I've been playing with Roxy as long as I've been playing, and I've played with her a lot. I see Roxy as a low/moderate poster. I think I have a decent feel for Roxy's game, but as with splints that doesn't necessarily translate to good reads.

thellama73 - I've not played with the llama enough yet. Moderate/high poster, but no real read. I feel like you get a better grip on his alignment from his content and not his tone/style.

TinyBubbles - played with her in all the games she has played. Low poster. I feel like I've already gotten a decent grip on her style, but I don't know how that will translate to alignment yet.

Turnip Head - he is clearly off-meta in this game!!! the only game I've actually played with TH where I know his alignment was when we were both indys in keeler, and we spent a good bunch of time getting to know each other in chat, so I feel that we have both gotten to know each other well in terms of our style and how we think. It will be interesting to see how that translates to the thread and alignment over a long period of time.

linki - llama, it does surprise me that most people have ignored the question, tbh, and I do think it is notable.

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