The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:32 pm

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:35 pm Who is long con?

I swore off ever doing pre-flip associative reads again, but I've been squinting at this post as a possible indicator of a Jiwon/LC pairing for days.

brb repenting

Why Jiwon instead of Long Con?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:27 pm I don't entirely trust Long Con either, Myo.

I think we're here again, gang. This looks like a civilian.

Yeah, some of us have been here for a little bit, I seem to recall you declining an invitation to "here" not too long ago.

I didn't feel "here" was earned. I make judgments when I have posts.

I don't entirely trust Long Con either, Myo.

I think we're here again, gang. This looks like a civilian.

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:32 pm Wow, what a fun turn of events. In general, I don’t do early game reads. I rely a lot on meta to be able to read people and I don’t have that here obviously. The amount of jargon and the way people post here have been jarring I guess (it has been very hard for me to get into the game) and I think contributed to what people are calling stilted.

Who should it be if not you?

I realize we have overlapping deadlines here, so do your best.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] you should still do those ISOs you intended to do earlier. The day has four more hours. You can reduce the load on your brain by eschewing the usual wall-post format and just spraying your thoughts in stream-of-consciousness as you review whatever you intend to review. Don't bother with structure. Don't bother with order. Spam at will and don't worry about us.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:22 pm im tired and dont understand this game so i figured why not?

I can relate.

I don't think Sloonei is mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:19 pm mine

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:17 pm Sloonei what moved you to a Myo vote over Jiwon?

dejection

Yours or theirs?

Sloonei what moved you to a Myo vote over Jiwon?

Myo and Soneji are actually the same archetype in this game -- low post count, moderate content thickness per post, rigid tone. I think Myo is the worse offender, just noticed though that they have this basic structure in common.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:04 pm one of our newcomers is bad.

I think so too, and I think that's the biggest reason we're so aimless. We don't know how to read the newcomers, and they've been slow to post (we're super glad to have y'all here, rest assured!) so that never gets better. If I judge Jiwon and Myo though, it feels relatively simple to me:

One's posts feel stilted and careful (Myo) and the other's feel completely whimsical (Jiwon).

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:01 pm I think you guys give way too much credit for that singular post, when she didn’t even have an opinion on Jack either way.

It’s like a literal mod commentary on why a town pushing a scum is good while not getting the reasoning they are pushing them for or if it’s even useful, but as long as you have the flips, doesn’t really matter that much.

I think you gave motobot too much credit for essentially nothing. This is kind of my confusion with the present game state.

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:10 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:02 pm Maybe we could give a Trustfall a go. Many of our token exercises are hard to apply in a less active game, but this one feels quite appropriate at the moment.

I don't know what a Trustfall is. If you wanted to make use of the data generated from the good/bad rank already we could assign a score (+1 for town, -1 for wolf) to get a spectrum about how the game as a whole feels about each person. It can also point out people who have an artificially high score which can suggest wolves trusting their teammates whereas nobody else trusting that person.

Something about this post rings inauthentic to me.

I don't trust sig either. I don't really understand people's views in this game. That doesn't make me right, but I don't get it.

Myo has one read all game (Mac town) until I poke everyone with GTH reads, and makes one half-negative comment tangentially at Jack. Not moved.

I don't agree. I don't trust Myo. This conversation inspires nothing in me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:50 pmHere's what it means to me. Myo saw ted's criticism of Soneji, and realized he disagreed with it because Myo felt the same way as Soneji about Jack's original statement. Unless Myo and Soneji are the other two wolves, I give Myo town points for it. Wolf Myo doesn't need to save town Soneji, and the statement just *rings true* to me. I think it's genuine, and it's town-motivated. PLUS, of course, Myo is also taking pressure OFF Soneji and putting more on Jack. If it's a complex "help one teammate and bus another" then so be it. That's not what I think.

How can Myo possibly agree with the point if she doesn't know what salad is?

motobot said he is sick today.

To me it's token distancing. She indirectly suggests Jack did something off, but does nothing with that assertion and functionally cannot pursue it. She doesn't even know what it means.

Also, that post LC brought up looks slimy to me in its connection with Jack. Ted validly assessed that Myo doesn't even know what salad is, but they still felt inclined to get involved with that exchange. Jack was in that exchange. TMI.

I think we're generally being too kind with town reads here, and it's understandable. We have next to nothing to work with.

But if someone has not done anything, I'm not call them town. The end. I don't like Myo's tone, and I don't think they have promoted an effective hunt.

Myo is mafia.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:56 am I think Sloonei / myo is a solid combo for a scum team?

It's at least a valid fit in transparent terms. Sloonei has given Myo town reads without much development.

I'm on board, ted. Myo is one of my biggest suspects. I hope others will comment.

[VOTE: Soneji] aubergine works for me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 am Tbh the Jiwon/Myo is an old read I've not updated since mid day 1.

I have exactly one beef with Jiwon:

I accused Myo of having only one read (Mac town), and Jiwon was like "yeah wat up with dat" -- despite having barely any reads of their own.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:06 am I've like Myo more than Jiwon tbh.

I feel like LC has summoned effort in bursts that correlate with maybe himself having pressure? Maybe that's baseless though.

I wouldn't call it baseless. I think he has made posts when he has been a topic of conversation. It's nothing I would call civilian-indicative.

Something about Myo's tone tweaks me -- like they look exactly like a player who is rolling through a dead thread and posting just enough to manipulate its progression in an environment that offers no resistance. Jiwon is no better though so sure.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:02 am Motobot scum reading me feels like a play to me. Like he put his thinking cap on after randing scum and though punching me in the face was smart. Which it kinda is.

Jiwon and Myo are gonna probs not come back anyway lol.

Lynch one of these. I know it's lazy but this day sucks. It'll be poetic that we lynch a scum without trying.

I would lynch any of those people. I would lynch motobot first.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:58 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 am Like, you're asking me to save the day -- the day won't accept my help Mac. The day doesn't give the first shit about JaggedJimmyJay in FTL Mafia.

It's pretty much echoing my own feelings since the Daisy flip? It's like there is no easy lynch so they've just shut down. Who does that point at most as a hypothesis to you? LC springs to mind for me.

My town core is evaporating, since I cannot justify calling anyone a civilian in this misersble environment. I can give you and nutella the nod just because eff me otherwise, but we're losing Sloonei and ted here. So that means the POE pool is nearly the entire roster.

Relating to your specific question, that's kind of why I asked on the previous page what is keeping people out of the thread. If it's just the world going insane, then that's informative here. If not, then I have to try to interpret who among like 8 or 9 people is most at peace with this thread being a corpse -- that's a needle in a haystack. Any mafioso benefits from that. I wouldn't say that points at LC for me any more than whoever else, but I don't trust LC so sure. What makes you think he's the one on that front?

If I have any instinct, it's that it may be suggestive we have one or more mafia among the least-readable low posters/newcomers. The local veterans don't know how to read them, and if they don't post that doesn't get better. So we sit here.

Like, you're asking me to save the day -- the day won't accept my help Mac. The day doesn't give the first shit about JaggedJimmyJay in FTL Mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:53 am Look man I don't know what to say except if you're town you probably should be pretty much ready to rip Sloonei's head off at this stage of the game. So I mean you voted there but why not try to lynch him or something?

I actually just think it's you and Motobot tbh.

The only person I can get to talk to me about anything is nutella with a side of Myo, so my influence is pretty neutralized. Sloonei is a problem right now I agree. I also see he's not active on the site overall, however, and I know he's capable of more than two posts in 15 hours regardless of alignment. I have no idea what to do with that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:49 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:38 am This is illuminating actually.

Mac and ted both have no effing clue about this game right now per their reads in this thing post-Daisy flip. I see neither of them doing anything to fix that, save for Mac voting me on the basis of transparent garbage.

What does it illuminate? Lots of people aren't talking why are me and Ted the relevant parties here?

You've got Sloonei and Nutella still here. They're better than me and care more. I'll give y'all time when I can.

Look at the chart.

Remember that these are pre-Daisy lynch, and that they did not come in the usual live-action format.

Ted has nothing to offer this game beyond his tone. I revoke his civilian card. Mac has been cruising lazily along on his Jack credit, and that's fine. If you're a civilian though, Mac, you'd better believe the tinfoil mania is going to arrive in short order if you don't do something with this mess.

Otherwise, nobody here even qualifies as a consensus suspect. Myo comes the closest. Names being bandied about as lynches now like Soneji and sig were majority towns pre-Daisy lynch. The progression of this game is nonsense, and this chart is a lovely illustration of that.

This is illuminating actually.

Mac and ted both have no effing clue about this game right now per their reads in this thing post-Daisy flip. I see neither of them doing anything to fix that, save for Mac voting me on the basis of transparent garbage.

Sticking all these in one place for reference:

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:10 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:02 pm Maybe we could give a Trustfall a go. Many of our token exercises are hard to apply in a less active game, but this one feels quite appropriate at the moment.

I don't know what a Trustfall is. If you wanted to make use of the data generated from the good/bad rank already we could assign a score (+1 for town, -1 for wolf) to get a spectrum about how the game as a whole feels about each person. It can also point out people who have an artificially high score which can suggest wolves trusting their teammates whereas nobody else trusting that person.

I don't recall who all participated, but I'll take a look. I have nothing better to do! I probably won't implement these numeral values, but a compilation of the data may net something. Who knows.

What's up gang, what's the deal?

Busy in life right now?

Distracted by what's happening in the US?

Coronavirus problems?

Just not feeling the game?

Something else?

I don't mean to disparage any of these things. I'm just trying to figure out why this game is so thoroughly dead. I'm not sure how to wake it up at this point or if I even can.

Might have gotten a mafioso though if my Not Daisy push hadn't fallen on deaf Mac ears.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:00 am I promised we'd lynch Jay on day 3 if we didn't get a Mafia day 2. Let's do it.

That would be a fitting play in a game that won't move.

Remarkable that by the numbers town is winning this game comfortably, and yet this does not feel remotely like town wins feel.

Myo's made some posts lately. Who trusts Myo?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:02 pm Maybe we could give a Trustfall a go. Many of our token exercises are hard to apply in a less active game, but this one feels quite appropriate at the moment.

How does that one go again? Listing people you trust?

Provide the best reason you can think of to call everyone in the game a civilian.

Maybe we could give a Trustfall a go. Many of our token exercises are hard to apply in a less active game, but this one feels quite appropriate at the moment.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:50 pm Why was there no kill last night?

Dunno, what do you think?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:28 pm You mean you think the way he caved to your pressuring him to suspect Soneji for that point was inorganic? Idk

I take offense to the notion that I "caved" to anything. Would you prefer to play with someone who doesn't consider points others make when forming an opinion?

Do you suspect nutella of being mafia?