The Syndicate

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

Why would it have to be one shot? It’s not very strong.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 am On the other hand, nutella basically cased lost monkey on Day 1. She didn’t take that step with anyone else she beefed with.
would that not be the point?

I’m not interested in what could be true in some hypothetical. I’m interested in what IS true. If nutella wanted to chop lost monkey they’re probably not teammates. One just has to wonder how far nutella would have taken it. I suspect she’d have taken it far since her case followed a case on lost monkey that I had made myself. She was allowing me to serve as the driving catalyst of her mischop and nudging it forward herself.

On the other hand, nutella basically cased lost monkey on Day 1. She didn’t take that step with anyone else she beefed with.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:33 am Owner is town here for me. Scum owner wouldn't play in a way its get her lynched this easily. She is being too blunt and too shady to be scum here.

I could be sold on lost monkey. He has some bad posts.

Martin can be my third POE name purely for the claim.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:33 am I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.
I can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.
How about "has done nothing to progress the mafia wincon".

succesfully

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:33 am I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.

I can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.

I think it Gnome anyway. If that doesn’t end the game there will be plenty to discuss. At the moment I feel pretty secure calling Allcrab town. I think there’s some room to doubt lost monkey, but it’s also not compelling.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:08 amthe scummiest person the entire game

Among the people alive, that's you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:10 am I think the correct thing to do is to put me in the towncore as I am the only person who will have the nuts to weed out the last maf if they're deep. If you leave me alive today you have to make a commitment to letting me skate. I am not gonna go through another round of lazy Mac wagon all day. I refuse. I will mail in a letter of complaint to TS admin.

We're chopping an outed poisoner.

Nobody has to make a commitment to shit.

I don't think it's Allcrab. Good chance Nanook was killed to avoid Allcrab.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:06 am If we can finish the win, it will also have been with the irreplaceable and critical contributions of our Personality/Mafia Cafe friends.
yeah I do like these crossover events we need to do more of them

Seems dunya and Syn have something cooking for the CFC squad.

you're right tony

sleep is important k

good plan tho

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:22 am I kinda don't wanna vote TSP because of that claim tbh lol

scaredy maf scaredy maf

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:20 am acronyms are getting away from me... I'm losing my touch since my MU ban

Acronym reduction is a very positive thing. Lingo is the worst.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:16 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:26 am All y'all: who would you include in your POE pool of exactly three mafia suspects?
Gnome, Alison and Martin probably. But I still think LoMo/Allcrab have some equity. Also Sloonei isn't clear. So essentially everyone but you big guy.

If the game continues beyond my lifespan in it, please contain tinfoil to a reasonable level. I'm not saying don't doing it; by all means explore the angles you think are prudent to turn over those stones. But if, for example, Sloonei makes an accusation that you don't think perfectly aligns with your perception of yourself, don't scream for his neck. Good reasons only. Those are going to be hard to come by outside that POE of three you started with.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:11 am Where are the anti claim mechanics that were advertised?

Maybe nutella was a soupkiller and that's what her role meant?

I think the intent is less about deterring claiming and more about reducing the effect of claiming and creating uncertainty, e.g. how can town have two healers???, with design wrinkles.

he gon flip JOAT like he claimed first

But, like.

Not win yet. Finish strong k

And Seanzie and everybody. Yay team

If we can finish the win, it will also have been with the irreplaceable and critical contributions of our Personality/Mafia Cafe friends.

You're still my boo, Gnomey. You can't help who you are.

I wouldn't consider Gnome red checked, but I do think Tony being poisoner and tonight's dialogue can push her from 1B to 1A in her POE duel with Mac.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:00 am Mac & Gnome could be switched if I'm convinced it's possible and not implausible that there's two town in Mac/Alison. I just feel a bit surprised that both of them are alive up to this point along with JJJ and Sloonei.

I think it becomes a bit less surprising considering the mafia personnel:

orangecrush was a replacement and barely had time to properly acclimate before getting blasted.
Made had no idea what was going on.
Gnome (if applicable) revels in being enigmatic, is glued to me, and until today wasn't a big suspect for those names.

Why not Alison?
Owner treated her like she was frightened.

Why not Allcrab?
Sonny treated him like he was a TMI doofus.

Why not Esooa?
Mason

Why not lost monkey?
nutella wanted him as her Day 1 chop.

Why not MartinGG99?
Mafia forgot he exists until Made tried to run him up as a counterwagon.

Why not Sloonei?
Desperado backup go pew pew

I really have two names tee bee aych

I could consider swapping Alison for Martin. I don't think either of them looks bad in their mafia interactions. I'm not sure Martin has something to match Owner's handling of Alison though. One could argue Made's handling of Martin is comparable, though the wifom potential is elevated given the timing.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:46 am lol the thread entered trippy state.

4am talk show with serial poisoner special guest

I want to win the game with my beautiful town teammates by my side. Nothing else matters.

Keep in mind though that if Gnome is mafia with no obvious poison immunity visible and the game doesn't end, Martin's mafia case becomes significantly more compelling. He'd probably have healed her.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:39 am 3 player mafia POE:

[Gnome, Mac, Marmot]

In seriousness: [Gnome, Mac, Alison]

At a certain point one must trust their instincts. Allcrab and lost monkey probably don't fit the bill here. Martin is the name that leaves me with some non-zero amount of concern. The Alison variable tells me to keep him out -- if she's mafia, he's TMI town. If she's town, then I can take whatever faith in her read on him. I do think he looks more town than not myself and wouldn't gripe at all were it not for the claim.

3 player mafia POE:

[Gnome, Mac, Marmot]

agreed

I have strong opposition to applying principles that require perfect information to situations that don't offer perfect information.

I don't even know why you want to be alive on Day 7. You're about to be free.

All y'all: who would you include in your POE pool of exactly three mafia suspects?

you should have claimed survivor

go bed Tony

what's GTO

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:17 am jay, say it with me, four is bigger than three

I'm not relying on you to poison S2, goofball. But I appreciate your enthusiasm.

sleep deprivation is bad

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:09 am your third case is wrong do better

yeah it's actually 6:1:1 where I said 7:1:1, so it's even worse

10 players

Most likely alignment is 8:1:1

Chop Tony

Town killed

Enter Day 7 at 7:1

Two mischops available before a 3:1 MimLo

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

8:1:1

Chop Not Tony, hit mafia

Game over, Tony chopped next

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

8:1:1

Chop Not Tony, hit town

Town killed, another probably poisoned

Enter Day 7 at 7:1:1 with town poisoned

Still have to use up a chop on Tony, which then leaves only one mischop to LimLo after the poison resolves

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Kill Tony.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:55 amI dont mind the lynch but is it more important than locating scum?

One could argue killing the poisoner is more important, just because it's technically possible more than one mafia is still alive -- removing one kill per cycle from the game is increasingly crucial there. I do think there's only one mafioso though, in which case I wouldn't call either one more important than the other. Just get rid of one, and it's a convenience that we currently know who one is.

I think Tony is the best chop of the day. I do think the hunt should continue though for the last mafioso. I think there are good reasons to believe it's Gnome (even without Tony's wifom), and if not Gnome then the POE is decently constricted by interactions with the dead mafia.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:44 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:36 am Removing a killer from the game would drastically improve the town win chance, I think. Tony is outed and simply cannot win anymore. He has no incentive to do anything we ask.
but I would

why

Removing a killer from the game would drastically improve the town win chance, I think. Tony is outed and simply cannot win anymore. He has no incentive to do anything we ask.

*pours one out for Belzy*

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